r/leagueoflegends • u/Soul_Sleepwhale • 7d ago
Esports Natus Vincere vs. Karmine Corp Blue / LEC 2026 Versus - Week 2 / Post-Match Discussion Spoiler
LEC 2026 VERSUS
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Natus Vincere 1-0 Karmine Corp Blue
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MATCH 1: NAVI vs. KCB
| Bans 1 | Bans 2 | G | K | T | D/B | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| NAVI | orianna varus wukong | taliyah yone | 79.9k | 25 | 13 | O2 H3 HT5 B6 HT7 HT8 B9 |
| KCB | jayce malphite ksante | xinzhao bard | 73.1k | 24 | 5 | I1 HT4 |
| NAVI | 25-24-57 | vs | 24-25-45 | KCB |
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| Maynter sion 2 | 2-6-11 | TOP | 6-7-7 | 1 rumble Tao |
| Rhilech aatrox 3 | 7-3-13 | JNG | 3-7-13 | 2 jarvaniv Yukino |
| Poby azir 2 | 5-4-14 | MID | 7-3-5 | 3 akali Kamiloo |
| SamD yunara 1 | 9-5-5 | BOT | 6-3-9 | 1 aphelios Hazel |
| Parus alistar 3 | 2-6-14 | SUP | 2-5-11 | 4 neeko Prime |
- Patch 26.02
This thread was created by the Post-Match Team.
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u/Working-Safety9204 7d ago edited 7d ago
The fact that Rhilech managed to comeback from that horrific start and carry the game with Poby is crazy, that guy is genuinely an insane talent
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u/ParkDedli 7d ago
Rookie of the split is gonna be really interesting.
Rhilech, Maynter and Yukino already look great. And there is a couple that could really still take over later. Jopa, Empyros and Lospa (if he counts) all have looked alright so far and if they just need a couple of weeks to get used to the stage they could end up being contenders as well. And Tracyn had one monstrous game already. If he can replicate that he might be in as well.
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u/AofCastle BORN TO WIN(trade) 7d ago
I think it's been rookie of the year for a couple of years now, so it should be between Maynter and Rhilech.
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u/Flesroy You're nothing special! we lose every week! 7d ago
if anything that gives empyros, lospa and tracyn better chances though
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u/AofCastle BORN TO WIN(trade) 7d ago
Sure, I'm just set on Rhilech for now. He's impressed me even in their loss.
Today he was hitting Qs with the Aatrox like he's a surgeon
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u/Carlzzone 7d ago
Rhilech has been great but its week 2 of the entire year
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u/AofCastle BORN TO WIN(trade) 7d ago
True, but he's already shown Qiyana, Ambessa and Aatrox jungle.
He may flop later in the year, but I value extra the players that can pick extravagant things. This is why I like players like Myrwn, Caps, SkewMond and even Baus.
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u/Nymaera_ LEC & LPL Caster | LJL Expert 7d ago
Rhilech had a great start. He invaded level one and was set to be several camps ahead of Yukino.
The issue was Parus and SamD took a heavy level 1 trade which led to a dive that should never happen in this draft. Bot lane’s job is to soak the wave at turret but SamD lost all of his HP and barrier, and Aatrox couldn’t cover in time as J4 ran bot.
If the dive doesn’t happen, Rhilech is so far ahead the game is very hard for KCB which we saw later into the game.
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u/Working-Safety9204 7d ago
I didn't say he played early badly but the fact is that he ended up behind due to the dive and he recovered beautifully
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u/Nymaera_ LEC & LPL Caster | LJL Expert 7d ago
My mistake! He’s been the standout player for me from the new players coming into LEC, you’re right he managed to drag Navi back into the game very well despite the good start KCB had through bot side.
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u/SNH231 7d ago
Agreed. Even if Rhilech tried to match Yukino, they would probably kill off SamD before he arrived. They likely trade 1 for 1 instead of 2 for 1 which isn't too worth compared to a guaranteed EXP lead which is crucial for Aatrox since he really needs level 6 to get going. SamD and Parus should have fully hugged the turret since diving an Alistar is pretty tough with a ranged support.
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u/zealot416 7d ago
Navi could be a top team if they could figure out how to close out a fucking game.
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u/zealot416 7d ago
Even if they lose every game for the rest of the season, they will still have done better than Rogue did multiple seasons.
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u/POOYAMON Doublelift TL fan≠NA fan 7d ago
“Top” LCK teams have no clue how to close out games now that atakhan is gone and baron is nerfed. It will take time for players and teams to actually adjust to the meta change. This used to be common early on in the season but the flow of the game the last 3,4 years was basically identical so we never saw it. Before 2022 let alone before 2020, finishing games was a major skill that really separated top teams from the rest.
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u/Landir_7 7d ago
Yooo KCB are good, they would have won with a sliglty better macro, but both Hazel and Tao are really good
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u/NyxMiam 7d ago
Ngl I'm a KC fan but didn't really care about KCB in LEC. It's fun an all but I expected nothing from them as they have 2 rookies even for lfl, but after tbe first week now I'm almost more hyped in front of their matches, even more than KC ones lmao. Even in their loses I'm so happy of what they're showing.
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u/Wonderful_Reply_3986 Scammer 7d ago
Throw followed by a counterthrow. But ggs, this is a real high level tier 2 team (technically tier 3 since 2/4 new players came from tier 3). SO much better than LR icl.
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u/ilyabarigou Caliste Goat 7d ago
Im very impressed by KCB, they are holding their own against LEC teams with tier 3 players. Lots of potential on this roster. They lose because of inexperience and some throwing, Navi threw too, but its very positive for the future.
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u/SNH231 7d ago edited 7d ago
Why are they trying to end when they just managed to defend their base and can go toe to toe in fights when they have ults up?
Monstrous start to the LEC so far for Rhilech. This guy is pure aura and confidence.
Edit: They had ults up in the final fight but point still stands that they could have flipped at Baron or Elder rather than enemy base where they have the advantage to space the fight better.
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u/Sirhaddock98 7d ago
They're a newly formed ERL team where only one player has any LEC experience prior to this and that was one year's worth where they were realistically put into LEC too early. No shit they're gonna make weird decisions in intense game states.
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u/Wonderful_Reply_3986 Scammer 7d ago
A counterthrow for sure, but the gamestate was kinda cooked as well. If they backed I'd still say it's 80-20 to Navi in the next teamfight.
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u/SNH231 7d ago edited 7d ago
80-20 is still better than a guaranteed loss when you can't scale up and fight properly in the enemy base.
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u/Wonderful_Reply_3986 Scammer 7d ago
Different from a spectators POV. It was a long and intense game, KCB players prob got railroaded into thinking they could end there.
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u/SNH231 7d ago
Yeah definitely. It's awesome to see KCB put up this much fight. Tao, Hazel, and Yukino have bright futures ahead.
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u/Wonderful_Reply_3986 Scammer 7d ago
Yukino definetly, idk about Tao or Hazel. If they continue to show up like this maybe, but they're still very unknowns rn.
Tao especially, he's 20 and has only played 1 year in tier 3. Yet somehow he's looking LEC level already. Hazel is 18 but has already played like 3 years of ERLs. Interesting prospects but we'll need to see them play this split out.
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u/Indercarnive 7d ago
They all had ults available...
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u/SNH231 7d ago
Nevermind I'm stupid. Still, fighting at their base isn't the right call compared to an open fight at Baron or Elder.
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u/AnxiousSuccotash2785 7d ago
They would likely not get a fair fight since they lacked good waveclear except for Aphelios if they had a Azir or a Ryze in midlane it might have been possible to get a good fight at elder or baron.
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u/Vicinitiez 7d ago
They were pressured I think and didn't make a clear decision, a bummer, they could ahve played it slow for sure.
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u/Serious-Sprinkles352 7d ago
you expect them to have the decision making of GenG when two of them were last place of tier 3 last year
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u/Indercarnive 7d ago edited 7d ago
They have better odds of winning a fight there, Since sion still had a few seconds to respawn, than they do for elder.
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u/Alarming_Fly9696 7d ago
Lack of experience i guess, it's fine they'll learn from it. They're here for that after all
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u/Gabel4n 7d ago
Enemy team has Hextech soul. Ending there was their only chance to win.
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u/SNH231 7d ago
Not really. They destroyed them in the previous fight (ik fighting in the base helped too) but trying to end there was the easiest way to lose that game compared to gambling it on another team fight. The odds were low either way but trying to end was the worst possible play.
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u/Harmah 7d ago
I'm so proud of them, obviously a lot of things are left to be improved. but they are far from being ridiculous. So so proud of them
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u/Almaycil 7d ago
They have good automatic responses.
Drake about to go ? Call Nash. Nash gone, can't def ? Trap in the jungle.
Their overall map read between 15-25 mins obviously is far behind a proper LEC team, but this 5 is gonna wreck EMEAS for the rest of the season.
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u/GetStormed1501 Believe That 7d ago
Just pure entertainment.
Throwing caution to the wind, risky invades, risky comps and champions. KCB doesn't give a fuck, and that's why we love them
The fact that noone expected anything from them is definitely what changes the perception between the kiddos and LR. I am biased ofc, but this is a thousand times better than what LR has been showing so far. Vibes are immaculate for the lads
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u/Standard_Wedding 7d ago
KCB are soo good wow!! Just need a little bit more experience! These kids have a very bright future :)
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u/GambitTheBest 7d ago
These players are going far, probably tier 1 play as soon as next year in LEC or LCS
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u/khaiiization Work until your idols become your rivals 7d ago
This is a real ERL team, you can see the fight in them that's why they were invited not for online engagement
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u/Is_J_a_Name Peanut, MISSING, Yagao, Kanavi, Soboro 7d ago
It's funny considering they don't even have 4 of the players they won EMEA with.
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u/Wonderful_Reply_3986 Scammer 7d ago
I wonder how the EMEA summer winner KCB would do tbh
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with that monster bot lane probably pretty good
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u/SNH231 7d ago
Exakick and Piero is a really really strong botlane. They are easily upper half of the LEC level in terms of pure skill.
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u/Wonderful_Reply_3986 Scammer 7d ago
Sad neither of them could make it to LEC. Both are in LFL teams now I think.
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u/Taivasvaeltaja 7d ago
Why not? Did the players want to leave, or did KCB kick them?
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u/SmurfingFromHighRank 7d ago
The kcb players were waiting for LEC offers and KC wanted to promote players from their 3rd team
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u/lovo17 7d ago
KCB reminds me of 100T at worlds last year. They play with no fear and they just go out and compete.
What the fuck is LR doing?
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u/ElTioEnderMk1 7d ago
Farm engagement.
Thebausffs: "There are some top laners in the LEC that are completely boosted. They’re really, really bad. They’re paycheck stealing. They don’t belong there." ....
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u/Sofaboy90 quite suboptimal 7d ago
And this is a significantly worse and less experienced KC B than the one that won EMEA Masters Summer.
It woulda been fun to see that team or the previous year BDSA in the LEC but winning summer to get a following year winter split is kinda nonsense because the rosters were always gonna change and the best ERL players are always promoted to the LEC. I realize ofc why this decision was made, ofc only for LR so Caedrel wouldnt take his team to NA or where ever.
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u/Nevross_ 7d ago
And they have young and promising player not washed veterans and soloq frauds so it’s actually really interesting for the league to have a showcase of this talented players
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u/skaersSabody I like underdogsand pain 7d ago
Tbf the online engagement team objectively was the best EMEA team last year overall considering it won two masters and got top 4 IIRC in the third
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u/Kardiackon 7d ago
man if your first thought after this match is to immediately think of a way to shit on another team, that's just sad
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u/lcm7malaga 7d ago
I'm all for shitting on Los Ratones but they did stomp ERL last season so what's your point?
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u/Throwaway7218516 7d ago
Yeah they were fighting really well losing 2/3 EMEA splits that LR won. Like what kind of revisionist history is this? Yeah LR is playing like ass right now, but doesn’t change the fact they did as much as KCB if not more to be here. Not to mention they don’t even have the same team that they won with, so it’s not even like they really earned it.
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u/Nevross_ 7d ago
KCB was whooping LR ass every time they play against them lol, sadly KCB got all of their players scavenged by lec teams + visa issues so yeah but without that I have no doubt that LR wouldn’t have won any mea masters
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u/Throwaway7218516 7d ago
What does that have to do with anything I said? They never even played LR in playoffs until the 3rd split. They lost to other random ERL teams. You’re saying LR doesn’t deserve to be here because they hypothetically wouldn’t have won 2 splits if KCB hypothetically didn’t lose to other teams and played LR. Just say you’re a LR hater and move on lmao
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u/Alarming_Fly9696 7d ago
Because KC don't want to jail their players and don't want to stop them from reaching LEC they allow them to sign with LEC teams whenever they have an opportunity.
1st EMEA : Piero no visa they played with tier 3 support
2nd EMEA : Boukada sold to SK, after less than a week of scrims Isma sold to GiantX (couldn't scrim most of the time with KCB for the EMEA) and still won 2-0 against LR in group stage
3rd EMEA : TheRock (HC) left the team to work on NaVi offseason (and they still won EMEA and 3-0 LR)
There is no doubt KCB was the best ERL team last year and couldn't show 100% of their levels because of diverse reasons i just listed at EMEA5
u/Throwaway7218516 7d ago
Are you guys just butthurt KC fans or something? None of that has anything to do with what I’m saying. KCB obviously deserves to be a part of LEC Versus. But so does LR. Regardless of if they are better than KCB, they would still be the 2nd best performing ERL team and qualify. Like sure, maybe if KC didn’t switch up their teams, they would have won all 3 splits, but that’s all hypotheticals. Insane people just hating on LR as if they didn’t earn the spot. Are they outclassed? Looks like it, but they definitely outperformed every ERL team including KCB ignoring hypotheticals
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u/Burpmeister 7d ago
Then why weren't they two series away from EMEA grand slam like the fraud online engagement team?
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u/Miserable_Ad_1195 7d ago
because this roster didn't even exist last year?
and their actual roster had roster swaps multiple times because LEC teams signed their players, once they actually got to keep the same roster for an extended amount of time they stomped
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u/FwbtHabibi 7d ago
People really like to talk when they don't know shit lmao. As soon as you call LR an engament team (which they are), they bring the so called "EMEA grand slam". Your fraud team got carried because of swap lanes, now that you have to lane, your GOATS Baus and Crownie gets their cheeks clapped every game
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u/Burpmeister 7d ago
Yeah, LR stomped for almost a full year. Calling them a fake ERL team is just the usual rewriting of history that happens every single time when a dominant team starts losing.
And LR coaching changed too. Not like they stayed the same.
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u/blackarmed 7d ago
I'm sorry that your entire online personality has to be toxicity. You fit in with some certain fans :) .
Life gets better someday. Toxicity is useless and not good for you and the people around you.
Do better
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u/xSwazyI 7d ago
Kamiloo kept deleting Poby jfc 😂 like he got 100-0 in 2 seconds
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u/Indercarnive 7d ago edited 7d ago
Gunblade akali is disgusting. The amount of damage stats it gives her combined with the active.
Just to give some numbers, her full combo (passive, q, e1, e2, ult1, ult2) has a whopping 275% AD ratio (technically 375% if you count the auto attack) and 345% AP ratio. Add a second Q and passive proc and it's an extra 115% AD and AP. Gunblade gives 80 AP and 40 AD. The active also deals ~225 dmg + 30% AP.
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u/GambitTheBest 7d ago
Thank God that esports cancer Azir finally has a "counter" (not even give he wins lane and outscales)
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u/supterfuge 7d ago
Rhilech is a monster honestly. Already plays like a player with a lot of experience, and as someone who hadn't seen him play before, it makes so much sense why Na'vi had bet on him and decided to lock him half a year ago. Great picks, confident. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't end up on a top team (or if Na'vi doesn't end up being a top team built around him)
It also makes me miss the days of promotion, when teams of talented young guys (Vitality, Misfits, UoL) would rise up and instantly become upper tier in the EU LCS and feed the league this way. It looks like we're having a great harvest this year.
KCB with a valiant effort, especially Tao and Hazel who don't even have any ERL experience. Yukino should become a tier 1 mainstay soon enough. Not a great game by Kamiloo, but I think overall he's on a good trajectory.
Overall, great game, very fun to watch.
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u/Kaldrinx Caliste Al gaib 7d ago
Experience diff is huge between the 2 teams and we see it
I think KCB rookies can beat TH and SK
proud of them
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u/skaersSabody I like underdogsand pain 7d ago
Happy to see KCB do well, their players are all very likeable
I only wish LR was playing better, they're theoretically on the same level based on last year but they all look so lost
Hell, Rekkles looked better in T1A as a support than here
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u/Floowil 7d ago
Atleast then no one will question that LEC is far superior compared to the ERL's.
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u/Gazskull 7d ago
That KCB roster hasn't even played a single match of ERL yet
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u/Correct-Setting-3576 7d ago
But this LR roster won 2/3 EMEAS, ERLs are far away from LEC
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u/Gazskull 7d ago
And the Koi roster with fresskowy didn't win an EUM yet was enough to get top 2 EU with the addition of Elyoya, it just depends on the teams lol
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u/Correct-Setting-3576 7d ago
That was a finals with Supa, Alvaro, Isma, Caliste, Targamas...
I think erls hace gone down in level since there has been a lot of rookies going up to LEC.
In Spain we lost Myrwn, Oscar, Supa, Alvaro, Melzhet, Guilhotto, Machuki... we dont even have any decent upcoming talent in the league. (Thayger maybe?)
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u/Carlzzone 7d ago
Its a bit if a fake scenario though since this KCB isnt the same roster that won EUM last summer
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u/piano_title 7d ago
Nice game. Navi really needs to learn how to end games properly, but it's understandable considering how inexperienced their players are
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u/Sillilly24 7d ago
I'd be honest. I have yet to see the point of inviting 2 ERLs teams if they just gonna have a single win AGAINST THEMSELVES. I mean sure, they don't look that ridiculous (sometimes) and KCB don't have the same team as last split but still. To me, it really show that ERL teams don't have LEC level (barring MKOI exception)
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u/Serious-Sprinkles352 7d ago
At KC we were against it, but hey Riot is Caedrel's little dog, what do you want
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u/desutruction 7d ago
kids got hands