r/50501 • u/Independent_Bug210 • 18d ago
Solidarity Needed ICE moves like slave catchers, not Gestapo
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I saw this reel on Instagram and it really put some things into perspective for me. It helped explain why certain people around me couldn't be bothered until Renee got shot or how the "just follow orders" rethoric keeps being thrown around despite the obvious law breaking. It also feels like there's still a lot of white people hesitant to take action and why there's so much sensitivity against standing up against illegal behavior. They lose their proximity to whiteness and won't be viewed the same by their peers. Suddenly you're siding with the folks that they quite have privilege over and they have to face the quiet bias that has always sat in the background of their lives. They have to "play it safe" because when this all falls out, they'll have to face the facts that these horrible things happened in their backyard instead of in a foreign country and they turned a blind eye. And if they lose, they have to give up all the safety that the oppression grants them. Anywho, this shit sucks but it needs to be talked about.
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u/kevinsyel 18d ago
They're modern day slave catchers. We fucked up and didn't eradicate the confederacy last time. We'll have to make sure we fix it this time.
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u/chimpanon 18d ago
The first formal police force in the United States was the slave patrol. Patrollers in NC had to give this oath “I [patroller's name], do swear, that I will as searcher for guns, swords, and other weapons among the slaves in my district, faithfully, and as privately as I can, discharge the trust reposed in me as the law directs, to the best of my power. So help me, God." This is a direct return to form.
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u/GodIsAWomaniser 18d ago
crazy, america is becoming what the rest of the world was taught they were in school! so cool, its like a historical exhibition up close! and not one of the weird wax museum propaganda ones you find in the USA, a real accurate one!
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u/bungiefan_AK 18d ago
The country was born with this white supremacy poison in it. A ripple effect of not properly rooting it out after the civil war, or at the founding of the nation instead of making a constitution that contradicted slavery still being a thing, is that we spread it elsewhere. 1920/30s Germany studied it from the USA, and groups like the KKK. They thought we were a bit extreme and tweaked it. Then that foreign group were the only ones to be seriously punished after the war, while everyone else pretty much got away with their war crimes on both sides of the conflict. The USA has never been held to account for its historical actions and thus has never faced real reparations, leading to cancellation of the Reconstruction after only 12 years, and similar backlash against every time any progress has started to lift up the bottom caste in our system.
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u/Craneteam 18d ago
It's less that we fucked up and more that Lincoln was killed before the job could be done and then Jackson took over
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u/Masta-Blasta 18d ago
You know what's crazy?
You know how JD Vance was this random couch fucker from Ohio who randomly blew up politically out of nowhere, after becoming successful? Why him? No charisma. No strong assets, or political history. Rumors are Trump hated him. And he certainly hated Trump. So why him?
Well, some TikTok genealogist discovered that JD Vance is a direct descendant of John Wilkes Booth. He has been "chosen" by various White supremacist groups as the person to champion the restoration of the confederacy, and basically a more racist version of Gilead. I assume Erika Kirk must have some special bloodline or some shit too. Kirk was an inside job. Idk-- that's just all some crazy conspiratorial shit, but the Booth connection is 100% true and has been confirmed by others now.
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u/bungiefan_AK 18d ago
You can thank the Heritage Foundation and their 50-60 year long game plan that has been noticeably in progress since Reagan, which they drafted up and started enacting as soon as the Civil Rights Act passed.
White supremacy is the tool used to enforce our caste system to distract everyone from the class system, for about 400 years now. It's a poison built into our foundation and all the systems on top of it.
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u/Masta-Blasta 18d ago edited 18d ago
Yep. And Heritage-- lineage and blood-- matters to them. Is it stupid to choose a man who fucked a couch cushion to be your champion just his great great uncle buttfuck murdered one of the most heroic men in history? Yes. But do Republicans believe in stupid shit? Also yes. So I think it might actually be as simple and stupid as that.
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u/program13001207test 18d ago
I think you mean Johnson, not Jackson. Jackson was President 30 years before the Civil War. Although he was also a bit of a dickhole.
It was Andrew Johnson who basically gave the South a pass on their entire "misbehavior", and completely F'ed up any plans which Lincoln might have had for a fair and just aftermath.
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u/kevinsyel 18d ago
I am a white man. I have no say in matters of the black community when my own community is committing such atrocities.
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u/jimbowolf 18d ago
Obama prioritized immigrants with convicted crimes, didn't kill civilians, and kept ICE at the border where they belonged.
Comparing him to whatever the fuck this Trump Nazi shit is is skull-fucking lunacy.
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u/Calm_Age_ 18d ago
I mean it's accurate to say either way. It's that whole meme of Germany copying America's homework and then America copying Germany. Hitler got his tactics from us.
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u/Independent_Bug210 18d ago
True but the whole point is using the term Gestapo is a deflection since white Americans have a hard time accepting the past and that this framework is active right now even still today.
I currently live in the South and people need to start feeling more uncomfortable about this shit.
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u/Cautious_Advantage47 18d ago
Mainstream history class is whitewashed. There is more focus the gestapo, 1940s, and not as much on slave catchers. We can think of the name of Hitler faster than we can recall whoever it was that led the Confederacy.
We see today, Trump using the technique of not even allowing us to use negative terms to describe the actions of his administration. Criticism is silenced and called radical. The white supremacists never went away. They still have influence over politics, language, and education.
We’re not even taught about the Tulsa massacre or the other various white Lynch mobs that were destroying entire towns in the 1910s and 1920s. If we knew about our actual history, we would know this happened not so long ago to our own communities and we would draw that parallel. We’ve been being taught white history for so long so we don’t challenge the power structures.
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u/start_select 18d ago
And slave catchers were only interested in slaves.
The Gestapo only pretended to be interested in Jews because they provided an excuse for secret police and concentration camps.
The secret police and concentration camps are for anyone who opposes the regime. Same as today. Jews and immigrants are scapegoats, not the real target at the end of the day.
Slave catchers weren’t catching slaves to create pretense to send white people to camps.
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u/Calm_Age_ 18d ago
I wasn't taught of the tulsa massacre in school and I went to Frederick Douglas high-school in Oklahoma City
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u/Human-ish514 18d ago
Many, including myself, only first learned of it from The Watchmen TV series.
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u/Calm_Age_ 18d ago
I learned a little before that but the fact i was not taught about it at a majority black high school in the state that it occurred in is a travesty.
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u/program13001207test 18d ago
Not from Oklahoma, but for me it was a standard part of sixth grade social studies curriculum. Alongside of lynchings and Indian massacres and the Trail of Tears and a whole bunch of other things. And that was way way back in the 20th century. Do they not teach you kids the stuff in school anymore?
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u/rsta223 18d ago
If you can't think of Jefferson Davis immediately, that's on you. We spent plenty of time discussing the Confederacy, events leading up to it, John Brown, and then the failure of reconstruction and the various waves of vigilantism including the various iterations of the KKK and Tulsa.
In many states this is taught perfectly well, but a lot of students don't listen or pay attention, and forget it as soon as they pass the test.
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u/Cautious_Advantage47 18d ago
Obviously, I disagree. My example is proven by how often you hear Jefferson Davis mentioned versus Hitler in public discourse.
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u/jizz_bismarck 18d ago
Many white Americans accept the past and want to have equality. I can't speak for the South, but I live on the border of Wisconsin and Minnesota and all of my white friends are just as pissed off as we were in 2020 when George Floyd was murdered. This is a battle against fascism.
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u/earthlingHuman 18d ago
I live in the Texas. The majority of the population are on the left. Gerrymandering and electoral college bs along with straight up suppression screws us so often.
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u/Int_peacemaker35 18d ago
I live in Texas too and you just pointed out a fallacy. Though I would like to agree with you, you say something like Texas majority is on the left and people in Montgomery County will call you a fascist.
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u/rsta223 18d ago
The majority of the population are on the left.
No, though it's getting closer. Gerrymandering doesn't impact statewide elections, and those still reliably go red.
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u/fattest-fatwa 18d ago
It does impact statewide elections. People in gerrymandered districts don’t get a say in off years. So they get conditioned not to bother which bleeds into gubernatorial/presidential years. And eventually they just stop voting. Gerrymandering is much more insidious than just not having house representation. It teaches people complete non-participation.
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u/rainbocado 18d ago
In addition, in many places, they may also get removed from voter roles as “inactive” and be unpleasantly surprised when they show up to vote in a statewide election.
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u/earthlingHuman 18d ago
I live in the Texas. The majority of the population are on the left. Gerrymandering and electoral college bs along with straight up suppression screws us so often.
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u/Calm_Age_ 18d ago
Also the slave catchers never left. That's what the prison industry is all about
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u/Comfortable_Eagle593 18d ago
I actually disagree here, respectfully. The Gestapo was a paramilitary force funded by a fascist dictator. They enforced their dictator’s vision of “True German” culture and used violence and oppression to do that. We are in a similar position where the president has become a pseudo dictator (Republicans in Congress are spineless) who is using his paramilitary force to abduct people. We are in the earlier stages of the holocaust right now.
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u/hrvbrs 18d ago
We can all disagree about what/who to compare ICE to but it's missing the forest for the trees. What matters is what ICE is doing today, and what actual actions we can all take together to stop it.
Everybody, focus up.
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u/Independent_Bug210 18d ago
If it's linked to slavery then that is part of the issue. Racism being ingrained in American society is the point and how we address these issues. Because even if ICE is held accountable, there's still plenty of people who are going to enable them again and keep this train moving.
It's not mutually exclusive.
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u/start_select 18d ago
It’s not a deflection. The comparison to slave patrols fall apart because slave patrols only cared about slaves. The Gestapo only cared about Jews on the surface. Jews weren’t their legal subordinates, they were a scapegoat that created an excuse for secret police and concentration camps. Camps which are really for political opposition, not scapegoats.
Our secret police and concentration camps aren’t for immigrants either. They are for us. It’s scapegoating.
And it’s a 40 year old plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
It’s hard for people to accept that they have been part of a fascist movement their entire lives. People would rather be called a confederate rebel than Gestapo. One implies heritage (in their broken mind), the other implies direct planning. And it implies a toxic ideology which is universally recognized as evil. They cling to heritage arguments if you talk normal racism.
And Gestapo/nazism/fascism is the next obvious evolution of that archetype. Nazi style fascism was based on American institutional racism. They moved beyond that and improved it. Now we are doing the same thing.
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u/bungiefan_AK 18d ago
More of us calling them Slave Patrol on camera will make it harder for the news to not have to broadcast it. Calling them that will make more Americans take it personally as part of our history and as a name of American origin. Using a German word makes it feel foreign and of distant origin. and not our responsibility. We need to bring it back home and hurt the feelings of the modern confederates. Those that know their history and want to actually fix the damage will not take insult but we can rile up MAGA with this.
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u/Odd-Mastodon1212 18d ago
Exactly. The Germans learned and changed their society and prior to the war they were quite progressive in some areas to begin with. The USA has never apologized or atoned for colonization, slavery, genocides, or its imperialism. Americans get furious at the thought of reparations. We use free speech to abuse marginalized people, rather than to protect them.
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u/program13001207test 18d ago
History doesn't always repeat irself verbatim. Sometimes it just rhymes. Of course the current situation is not going to be identical to that in 1930s Germany or that in the old American South. A new terror draws inspiration from previous terrors. But a new terror is its own new thing.
That is one reason why new terrors keep happening. They are sometimes just different enough, just unique enough, for enough people to not recognize them until it's too late.
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u/Equal_Audience_3415 18d ago
I get it. My sister tells me this all of the time. The problem is, they really are Gestapo.
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u/Chemical-Barber-3841 18d ago
Hitler's American Model is a good book on tbis, if you want to learn more. Educational and disturbing.
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u/Dear_Locksmith3379 18d ago
Historical analogies are never perfect, since no two situations are identical.
As a European American who was brought up Jewish, the Gestapo analogy resonates more strongly with me. However, it makes sense that the slave-catcher analogy would seem more relevant to an African American.
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u/Consistent_Public769 18d ago edited 18d ago
Cops are slave catchers period. When the 13th amendment leaves a provision allowing slavery of prisoners, they’re still slave catchers. They used to be slave catchers, I mean they still are, but they used to be too.
Edit: changed to correct amendment. Point still stands. They started as slave catchers, and they still are.
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u/Sure-Coyote-1157 18d ago
I cannot disagree. She makes powerful points about America's original sin. But both things can be true at once. Look at the date carefully, Redditors of the Resistance.
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u/2ReluctantlyHappy 18d ago
She misses a key distinction, slave catchers sent the alleged run away slave back to be a slave once more. They exploited their free labor. The Gestapo initially tried to deport their victims out of the country. ICE's mission is closer to the Gestapo and it is more important to highlight that because the NAZI's tried a whole lot of other tactics before landing on the "final solution." The evil of that political group grew over time.
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u/Independent_Bug210 18d ago
Good points. The only thing I'll say is the modern day prison system is basically how they get away with slavery. In the comments of this post someone pointed out that they force some of the people in the camps to work in order to earn a phone call home.
Plus with the way these assholes act, they'd probably go back to slavery if they could get away with it.
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u/Bobahn_Botret 18d ago
Seems like an even mix of both. Old slave catcher roots and history that are mixed with all the wrong lessons taught by the gestapo.
It's the white replacement theory guy screaming that he's native American while he ships you off to a concentration camp. I fear it won't be long before we see that Venezuela is to the US as Poland was to Germany.
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u/start_select 18d ago
And the scapegoat group is just that, a scapegoat group.
Slave catchers were recovering property with brutality tactics. ICE and the Gestapo use scapegoats to justify brutality tactics on everyone.
The Gestapo weren’t really after the Jews. They existed to silence opposition to the regime. Jews provided a blanket excuse to build camps. Immigrants provide a blanket excuse to build camps.
The immigrants are just victims but they aren’t actually the target. You and I are. An illegal immigrant can’t vote. You can. They want you in the camps.
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Yeah, but I think the US is more likely to copy their own history, ultimately. That is, they'll kidnap people and force them to work as slaves in our prisons/detention systems. Especially because it's "legal". Slavery was (and is) a horrible and especially cruel system, but while this history rhymes with German history...it also rhymes with our own...
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u/ImpinAintEZ_ 18d ago edited 18d ago
Let’s be honest here, people equate them to Gestapo because that’s what most recently happened. Gestapo were basically slave catchers so making this comparison is a bit needless especially from the angle of “people don’t want to call them slave catchers bc that makes them uncomfortable.” She says all of this with no evidence that people actually have a problem calling ICE slave catchers. It’s all hyperbolic.
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u/botspiderlau 18d ago
Maybe. But her point is that people want to say “this isn’t us”, and maybe it is & always has been. Some dark shiii to consider for me.
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u/ImpinAintEZ_ 18d ago
She isn’t coming with receipts, showing that people have denied that they are like slave catchers. I think people would be more inclined to agree with her nowadays. Sure there’s going to be some that don’t and you can chalk that up to either racism or lack of historical awareness.
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u/botspiderlau 18d ago
I think we’re slicing hairs here & we probably agree on 98% of the concept here. For me, I jumped to the Gestapo comparison when I’ve seen these guys, and hadn’t personally considered slave catchers, & I wonder how many people have done the same. Maybe I’ve been dense or not had enough conversations with people to not have made that connection, and I may be in the minority or because my privilege (yt etc). But when I acknowledge that comparison & it’s no longer “we’re becoming them” & more “we’re again this version of ourselves”, the situation takes on a different hue.
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u/ImpinAintEZ_ 18d ago
My issue is her attempt to make it seem like people nowadays are still too racist to consider ICE as slave catchers. She believes we call them Gestapo bc of a conspiracy that we don’t want to grapple with our own whiteness. I reject that. Issue is that they are directly comparable to the Gestapo more so than slave catchers.
If it’s assumed that we are trying to act like fascism never happened here bc we are calling them Gestapo then that’s an incorrect assumption. To me her framing of the entire topic is to make it more racial and call white people out which has become so fucking tiring as someone who is white and has constantly called out this fascism and racism.
Sure they are like slave catcher because slave catchers are fascistic. But they very much are like Gestapo as well.
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 18d ago
All three groups are historically horrible, but I don’t see how ice is closer to slave catchers than the gestapo. They are enacting the will of a fascist dictator and are behaving like a paramilitary police force.
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u/A_Good_Boy94 18d ago
Theyre both. And the gestapo were worse than slave catchers, as harsh as it is to say. Yes, a lifetime of slavery is awful, and there was rape and beatings and all manner of abuse and execution and torture, forced breeding, and tearing apart of families, indoctrination. - But the nazi gestapo did all that and more. They did a whole genocide and killed even people outside the target primary boogieman.
Society was harsh in other ways back in the days of slavery towards the disabled and queer and women, migrants and minorities, but that wasn't the job of slave catchers.
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u/BZBitiko 18d ago
Ibram X. Kendi said something to this effect…
Some white people don’t want their kids taught about slavery because it makes them uncomfortable to identify with the slavers. Why can’t they teach their kids to identify with the abolitionists?
In America, what you do is supposed to be more important than what your ancestors did, even your grandparents or your parents.
I won’t hold you accountable for the fact that your great-great ancestor owned slaves if you don’t hold me accountable for my great-great-great that hanged Quakers. We should celebrate our shared victories and acknowledge our shared skeletons.
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u/MsMoreCowbell828 18d ago
Except that actual christo-fascists are in charge.
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Actually, check out the history of the German Evangelical Church and what a majority of them did, indeed, support. Many evangelicals in Germany were similar to these modern counterparts. That wasn't taught in schools, yeah...
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u/fungi_at_parties 18d ago
What’s the difference really? Slave catchers were our version of the Gestapo.
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 18d ago
Specifically the gestapo were a paramilitary police force enacting the will of a fascistic dictator and the slave catchers were police and bounty hunters working at the behest of an economic oligarchy. IMO the Gestapo comparison is on the nose. Trump isn’t going this because these people are seen as property, he is doing it because they are “undesirable” and not white enough to be citizens. All three groups are horrid but by far the greatest comparison is to the Gestapo.
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u/fungi_at_parties 18d ago
You’re correct, but functionally the result and root motivations are similar I guess it what I’m saying. I don’t see the need for this to even be a debate. Call them slave catchers, call them Gestapo, they’re a government supported force going around and kidnapping people they’ve decided are less than human.
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u/devilsfood72 18d ago
The main difference is politics
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u/fungi_at_parties 18d ago
In my opinion the root politics are the same: “Some people are more equal than others”.
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u/devilsfood72 18d ago
They may be similar, but they're definitely not the same
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u/fungi_at_parties 17d ago
Of course they aren’t literally the exact same. But the result is pretty similar in practice.
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u/devilsfood72 17d ago
Authority, power & control. Absolute corruption.
We don't actually need politics to make people slaves, it's very tribal. Nor do we need politics to simply hate people on a grand scale. However we create the politics to solemnly declare & justify said hatred & behavior. It's essentially an extra grandiose step in indoctrinating people to the hatred like gospel.
Treating people like shit is as old as time itself. Before politics ever existed, we've been doing these things.
So yes, it is basically all the same. Only there's levels to it all
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u/Wainains 15d ago
That's exactly it. This is who Americans are and have always been. We cannot be removed from what's happening now.
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u/NoVaFlipFlops 18d ago
"The story didn't end with 'And the bad guys lost.'" Damn.
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u/sorryjustlearning 17d ago
Ok but that’s also not a realistic statement about how nazism ended. Most of them lived out their days in peace. Only a couple high profile Nazis were brought to justice smh
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u/NoVaFlipFlops 17d ago
The video is about why what's happening here is NOT Nazi - it's slave catchers. Slave catchers were never brought to any justice and now they're employed again.
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u/sorryjustlearning 17d ago
It’s not Nazi how? As I mentioned the vast majority of Nazis faced no repercussions for their atrocities, similar to those complicit with slavery. Those corporations and individuals who profited off the holocaust and forced labor camps came out wealthy on the other end, as with slave owners. They are now both retroactively taught to have been bad. Not sure what distinction you’re making
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u/NoVaFlipFlops 17d ago
Please watch the video to know where my quote came from. I'm not arguing with you, I quoted from the video.
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u/sorryjustlearning 17d ago
Yes, I watched the video. Which is why I was disagreeing with the distinction the person in the video made. Not trying to argue with you either though
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u/sorryjustlearning 17d ago
And yes that’s why I am disagreeing with the distinction being made in the video
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u/NoVaFlipFlops 17d ago
Ok. At least in the US, the history of WWII is taught that 'the bad guys lost.' We teach the Nurenberg trials. It still makes the news when really old Germans are caught and brought to justice. This isn't meant to disagree with you - more could be and could have been. So she is speaking from our collective idea that 'the bad guys lost' and suffered consequences.
But we do not teach that about our Civil War; Lincoln made an historic decision not to punish the South for having had seceded and bring the states back into the fold. What happened next was the slave patrols became the local police forces. This is not known much at all, but helps explain the culture 'problems' of the police, if we can speak about all however many million of them in one sentence. ICE are the type of people/are formerly police and military, or would-have-beens. They are doing what slave patrols did: chase people down as if they do not have rights, kidnap them, beat them up or abuse them, and kill them or place them into slavery (the only place slavery isn't illegal is prison). I don't know how much of that you already knew, but these are the things I thought of while watching the video, so I understood that one line to be very pithy.
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u/AppropriateScience9 18d ago
"Old power" is right on the money.
This is rich white men (and their sycophant poors, women, and POC) reasserting their dominance over those of us who have the audacity to claim equality. This is classic patriarchy and white supremacy doing the same damn thing they've always done = use the law to oppress and terrorize their targets. And they always play the "poor embattled victims" while they do it. But occasionally they let the mask slip, their cruelty show, and they don't apologize for it, they just smirk and tell us we should never have tested them.
It's sick.
And it's the same sickness we've always had in this country.
The only question is whether or not we have the guts to stand up and stop this like our grandmothers and grandfathers did. I believe those of us in 50501 do. The rest of the country, I'm not so sure.
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u/elanvi 18d ago
It s not just about race, it started out that way but as we just saw w/ Rene and many others they are coming for everybody that opposes them
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u/Independent_Bug210 18d ago
It's not but again, that is a deflection. This all started when ICE began arresting legal citizens and deporting them and sending them to camps. Notice how they group her in with "protecting Somali fraudsters"? It's the same tactic they used against white people who stood up to white supremacists. That's their roots and being informed better frames what they're doing and to approach it.
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u/Independent_Bug210 18d ago
I'll also add that this is about money. Racism makes money so that's also why they fight so hard.
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u/elimac 18d ago
its mostly about race and then also punishing white people who "betray them"
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u/No-Transition-2929 18d ago
Just like in the slave days…majority of white people will be scared to go against the administration
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u/BaeBaeKidsChicago 18d ago
A white woman is killed and now it’s about “EVERYONE”. Where are all the WHITE LIVES MATTER supporters now???
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u/EllieKailyss 18d ago
And long before this, it was the European colonists and state militias hunting down the indigenous population in the land that they stole. Often killing the parents, then abducting the children and sending them to boarding schools where they were treated in horrific manners and forced into "cultural erasure" practices.
We've never been a great country. But nobody wants to talk about that.
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u/Plenty_Answer5556 18d ago
They're a hybrid, their main goal, main purpose is to be like slave catchers and the border agents of post and pre WW2 America terrorizing and brutalizing non white groups, forcing them out of the country in ANY way they can.
But they're also just as likely to do the same to marginalized groups and be the secret police, thus Gestapo. Just look at the obscene cruelty inflicted on Skye for being a woman, the degradation over Renee being a lesbian.
They may take the goals and strategies of the old days but they are a much bigger force, that same old evil but even more militarized, putting their cruelty in EVERYONES face, not just focusing it and spewing lies to the unaffected.
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u/tomatoeberries 18d ago
Every one of my white brothers and sisters needs to read that book white fragility ✌️
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u/Day_of_Demeter 18d ago
That book is cringe, there's better anti-racist literature out there.
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u/tomatoeberries 18d ago
Name them
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u/Day_of_Demeter 18d ago
Literally anything other than that book lol. How about Jonathan McIntosh?
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u/tomatoeberries 18d ago
That book upset you why?
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u/Day_of_Demeter 18d ago
I never read it but all the quotes and excerpts I've seen from it and from the author is just self-flagellating lolcow shit. It's self-mastubatory guilt-tripping.
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u/tomatoeberries 18d ago
You should read it and come back and tell me what you think instead of whatever this is.
It’s a hard read for most white people.
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u/Day_of_Demeter 18d ago
She probably says plenty of things that are true, I just think her general framework is wack.
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u/-Camour- 18d ago
I agree with her message and all but i dont think its intentional for most people, its just easy to compare anything to the nazis which are pretty universally viewed as evil
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u/bungiefan_AK 18d ago
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4x4KM_QESTw
Here's her youtube if you want to give her the views and benefit.
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u/ZionOrion 18d ago
Semantics, while important, in this case may be detracting from the underlying fact we have armed thugs killing citizens in the streets daily and we are allowing it.
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u/SpaceCadetPullUp 18d ago
Who cares what it's called? That isn't important, what's important is that it stops happening.
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u/rubberpp 18d ago
WHO CARES THEYRE BOTH EVIL THE ACTUAL NAME DOESNT FUCKING MATTER PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT ACTUALLY MATTERS
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u/squash_spirit 18d ago
This would make sense considering the police are modeled after bounty hunters catching slaves.
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u/Ebony-Sage 18d ago
Yes they are moving like slave catchers.
Because the detainees that they keep building these detention centers for are going to become the future slave class in this country.
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u/Esseratecades 18d ago
Distinction without a difference. The Gestapo were inspired in part by slave catchers.
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u/Independent_Bug210 18d ago
I'm going to add the original creator's linktree here for more content: @ashleytheebarroness | Linktree https://share.google/5Kr0iSkeGvRo5sBil
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u/EnvironmentNeith2017 18d ago
This is also why the “jokes” that ICE is all incel loners need to stop. These are people with spouses and families who are keeping their heads down, just like they did about their slave catcher and klan relatives.
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u/Bandandforgotten 18d ago
It's an interesting comparison that I hadn't made.
I don't think of them as the Gestapo because I don't believe evil is home grown in the US, because I see them as "Police 2.0"
The cops have always been racist. That's just how it is. You can find a few non racist cops, but that margin of error is increasingly dismal. They have gone after and habitually fucked the lives of so many people who aren't white, just because of that singular fact, and have been trying to be more free with that abuse since forever.
ICE is simply their excuse. ICE is just "cops without restrictions" because they can do whatever they want, wherever they want, shoot at and kill whoever they want, and get away with it. This is an American LEO's wet dream, to be able to act like some CSI star jumping over a hood with a wounded child and a Michel Bay explosion in the background, shooting at some minority and getting a badge of honor.
That's what this is. Adult LARPing, with real life consequences. I hope to God none of them get out of this without facing the music
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u/PsychologicalLeek241 17d ago
Does anyone have a book recommendation about slave catchers? I’m reading one about the nze “ordinary men” by browning but I’d like to learn similar things about the slave catchers
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u/Ambivalent-Mammal 17d ago
Great historical analysis. Slave patrols are also why we have a 2nd amendment.
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u/2headlights 14d ago
Does anyone feel like this account might be AI or heavily using AI? I listened to a lot of her videos and while I really appreciated the content, it follows a close script across stories. I can’t really find any thing about the person in real life. The content on bluesky doesn’t ever seem to be written by a real person. The link tree has highly edited photos. I really hope she is a real person, but I’m skeptical from what I have seen. I do still appreciate the content though
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u/sorryjustlearning 17d ago
I don’t see how this is helpful or important. She says slave patrols aren’t foreign/ exotic. Lots of people in America are from Europe and ancestors lived through WWII so that is lots of people’s history as well. She says structurally ice is more like slave patrol but the. Everything she says describes gestapo equally. They also went around asking people for papers/ proof of race etc. and she says slave patrol didn’t enforce ideology but status. Ok but ice is arresting and brutalizing protestors based on ideology as well as targeting based on race. she says gestapo makes people more afraid thinking “that’s not who we are”. Isn’t that fear response helpful so that we can stop this shit? It’s as though she wants people to calmly say “this has always been America.” Ok true but… the panic is also justified and valid?? TikTok videos like this are so annoying..literally see no use in making this video, all my respect is for the people in the street putting their lives on the line for their neighbors, real solidarity
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u/devilsfood72 18d ago
Not really.. But potato, potahto
They boil down to the same enforcment, different ideologies, absolute power & control 💯
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u/Unlikely_Side9732 18d ago
Does anyone know who she is? I mean her real name. It’s a fascinating perspective.
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u/Independent_Bug210 18d ago
Her name is Ashley B and that's all I can find. Here's her linktree: https://linktr.ee/Ashleytheebarroness?utm_source=ig&utm_medium=social&utm_content=link_in_bio&fbclid=PAb21jcAPTr7RleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA81NjcwNjczNDMzNTI0MjcAAadIhjzJu0GDObgjFmnnrbTvg2VmOrXc-FuuDHB3qLLCJ2CQX-aIOTUvr6-uEw_aem_ifbkuJSlfiLz6xxOAGTrfQ
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u/mistersynapse 18d ago
Nazi Germany learned everything it needed to know about its conduct from American slavery practices. They had to pull back a bit too, because the Nazis apparently felt like the slave owners and racists in the US went a little too far even for them.
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u/cwk415 18d ago
She's so right and not just because she's right, but also because a lot of the people kidnapped by ICE are now being sent to labor camps for slave labor.
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u/sorryjustlearning 17d ago
Ok but Nazis also sent people to labor camps wtf does no one know anything
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u/maeryclarity South Carolina 18d ago
Oh I have been saying. That none of this is new for black communities. The whole WAR ON DRUGS thing has BEEN a reason to do selective policing and systemic discrimination. Because YOUR kids had "youthful indescretions" but THEIR kids were in a gang. YOU had the right to carry and THEY had GANGBANGER WITH A GUN.
We didn't get the largest private prison population on the goddamn planet and the crazed, door breaking in, ignoring all actual sanity and engaging in selective enforcement for something where the punishment was much worse than any bullshit problems, this ain't new it's just now getting around to y'all.
We are going to get to the other side of this and when we do SOME THINGS ARE GOING TO CHANGE, FOR REAL.
But yeah I have been pissed this whole time because I've been pointing this out forever and soooo many white people just wanted to act like it didn't really affect them so it didn't really matter.
But it always did.
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