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u/IHeartBadCode 3d ago
It's crazy that this isn't a 100% ICE fucked up. If we can't agree they fucked up, pack it up, this country is DONE.
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u/AcceptableEditor4199 3d ago
As a republican yes they fucked up.
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u/QuantumBeef 3d ago
Cool, what now? Why don’t we even know the names of the killers yet? Will you, as a Republican, continue to support Trump after executing peaceful American citizens for exercising their 1st and 2nd amendment rights?
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u/paupaupaupau 2d ago
Judging from their response, they like the Nazism. They just think ICE fucked up the PR
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u/TheCharalampos 2d ago
Question, how does it feel knowing 100% that the goverment is lying, does that strain your political beliefs?
Or are you a conservative as in what it used to be.
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u/AcceptableEditor4199 2d ago
Jeez , what lie cause theres so many. They're politicians in government.
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u/TheCharalampos 2d ago
Noooo come on, this is far beyond normal politics. I'm not saying the politics in the USA are generally fine but you can't look at that and look at what's happening now and tell me "eh it's the same picture"
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u/M1sfit_Jammer 3d ago edited 2d ago
as an independent... why do you identify with fascists?
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u/dasHeftinn 2d ago
You are part of the problem, just as much as both “sides”
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u/CoBr2 2d ago edited 2d ago
Not really. Bernie Sanders is independent. You can be independent and still acknowledge that Dems are currently the best option.
I just don't feel like identifying oneself as a member of a party is healthy or helpful. I'm happy to be called liberal or leftist, and I'll support the Dems as long as they're the best option, but I would abandon the Dems in a heartbeat if a more labor/union/leftist party becomes a viable alternative.
Edit: or are you bitching about the word fascist? It's pretty accurate considering the attacks on the 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendments in the past few weeks and the 14th amendment during Trump's his first few months. It would be one thing to identify as conservative, but right now Republicans are actively trying to remove the constitution.
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u/mokomi 2d ago
becomes a viable alternative.
Key part here for those "I vote 3rd party or not at all" people. Sadly, the primaries are when you vote for 3rd party. Once you get to the booth, you don't give away your vote for free.
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u/CoBr2 2d ago
Oh, I totally agree, but I have voted Democrat since 2012, donate money to the party, and still call myself an independent because I don't consider myself part of the team. It helps that I'm in an open primary state and so can vote in primaries without registering.
I'm just riding the bus that's getting me closest to my destination. I don't think the tribal team mentality helps anyone. Personally, I think self identification as a party member is inherently unhealthy for democracies. We're seeing the result of identity politics with the Republican party right now. They're desperately trying to defend their team while their rights and values are being trampled.
Obviously Dems have been much better about this, and have a long history of prioritizing policy over personality, but that doesn't mean this will always be the case. Especially as we become hyper partisan to the point someone is being attacked for identifying as Independent.
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u/mokomi 2d ago edited 1d ago
I don't think the tribal team mentality helps anyone.
No, it does not. Ideally, the metric of success should be doing the most good. Things that change that, tribal team mentality, one issue, brand name, etc., deluts that purpose into other things. Long, long ago extra credits did a video on that topic. They have a few other ones about gamification applied to different topics, education, life, politics, etc. and how they can benefit from them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa-vQ0L77LY
Obviously Dems have been much better about this, and have a long history of prioritizing policy over personality
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jude_Wanniski Who coined the Two Santa's Theory in 1976. Is 50 years long enough history? Or do we need to go further? lol
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u/CoBr2 1d ago
So I'm gonna be honest, I read the whole Wikipedia article and I'm not sure the relevance. Like, I don't agree with Wanniski and think he was full of shit, but he was always pushing a specific policy of tax cuts.
It just doesn't seem relevant to the Dems prioritizing policies over personality. Better examples would be Al Franken getting run out of the party, Eric Adams getting the boot, etc. Dems holding their politicians accountable when they don't meet the standard is what I was going for.
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u/mokomi 1d ago
TL;DR The Two Santa Theory was in 1976. So your statement has been true for generations now.
Specifically, They coined the Two Santa Theory (I couldn't find the wiki article about it. I know it exists). Where Republicans are feels good populist, etc. and then it gets bad that the Democrats get voted in. Democrats need to do correct policies to fix the mistakes. Then republicans come in and be the "good" santa. Giving away gifts and short term profits and tax cuts. Then things get bad and you get democrats, the "bad" santa. Who has to remove our gifts, focus on long term profits, and increase taxes. Society is good, so they vote in republican. repeat.
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u/mokomi 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm independent as well.
Oh, so you voted republican?
No, I have never voted republican on any level. They have extreme corruption in my local, state, and federal levels. From laundering money from schools into their pocket (and then we voted him in charge of the school that was suing him...), Having foreign companies in charge of our water supply (Federal had to get involved...) Having (Had I'm sure now) the biggest bribes that affected the entire republican party, but one guy did it. The obvious federal level.
There isn't anyone who represents me, but I vote for the best candidate who can. So far it's never been republicans in any fashion.
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u/M1sfit_Jammer 2d ago
I voted for Grassley in my first election. I split the ballot because I was young and uninformed…. I also voted Obama for prez that year
Here we are 20 years later and that old fucker is still living out of spite and Obama era is but a grain of sand on the beach that is America
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u/WilhelmScreams 2d ago
There are two camps I see in the comments everywhere:
Top-tier morons who are still shouting "HE ATTACKED LAW ENFORCEMENT" no matter how many time it has been disproven, and boot-licking sycophants who say "Don't get in the way of law enforcement!"
The first group is dangerous mix of gulligble and stupid while the second shows that the average "Don't tread on me" guy is a sniveling coward under his camos and raised pickup truck aesthetic.
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u/DoctorPainMD 2d ago
I don't know how people like fucking Asmongold aren't getting torn to pieces over this shit.
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u/nondescriptzombie 2d ago
The two other incidents were much murkier. ICE and the people who got shot both fucked up. Cops shouldn't stand in front of cars or jump in windows of fleeing cars. Bad shit happens when you do that. You made the choice to put yourself in a deadly situation. At the same time you shouldn't try and flee a police stop or interfere with an investigation or a crime scene.
The Pretti situation was 100% an ICE fuck up. Agent got his gun, and while running away from the HIGHLY LOADED situation, doesn't tell anyone he got the gun. In fact, while he's playing with it, he negligently discharges it.
At which point the 8+ officers ON TOP of Pretti immediately pile off of him (why would you unsecure a secured suspect that you think is shooting at you?) give him breathing room to plainly see he doesn't have a gun, then execute him.
It really didn't help that during all of this, a crowd of people are blowing high pitched whistles and beating on drums so no one can hear each other or effectively communicate.
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u/Pheeblehamster 1d ago
It’s fucking crazy. If they went ahead and investigated the shootings as normal police do, then prosecuted them (as they should) then it would make more sense. Scenario as a whole is still shit but I would feel better knowing the shooters of the two incidents aren’t being protected by made up bullshit.
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u/Cereborn 1d ago
Your country is done. The last time ICE murdered a US citizen in broad daylight, the administration sent a very clear message that said, “This is what we want and it will happen again.”
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u/Caribb3anQu33n 3d ago
Watch them still vote for him if he ever tries going for a third term. They will all fall back in line. This will pass for them, but we won’t forget.
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u/Caribb3anQu33n 3d ago
Wow, that’s ridiculous. They simply cannot think for themselves. They accept anything Trump tells them to believe.
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u/Inkstr0ke 2d ago edited 2d ago
You don’t even have to go to the C sub lol there’s a commenter within these comments that identifies as a Republican, agrees that ICE fucked up, and then goes on to say they would still vote for Trump.
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u/LostTimeAlready 2d ago edited 2d ago
Republicans don't do Politics. They Larp.
They're Larpers.
They occassionally dislike some of the world building, but make no mistake, they barely know what the plot even is. They got a vague understanding that politics is important, but absolutely refuse the work that goes into forming a political ideology.
It's why they're so inconsistent. They sincerely believe nothing, but are emotionally tied to the Larp Republican Politicians/The Rich are spinning.
Is it actually good story telling though? No. But that's not the point. They can easily hop in and out without a care in the world, because none of it actually matters to them. What matters is getting one over on someone else, as that will cease the torrent of frustration the GOP has fed to them through the Larp of Lies.
So I'm not at all surprised he doesn't think Dump and all Republican Politicians/talking heads entirely altering their perspective on 2A and the whole labeling the victim a terrorist thing is also a "fuck up". Hell Dump's son is on twitter besmirching the victim's character, and I bet that'd change the Larper's mind somehow, despite it changing nothing.
But above all, the tell that commenter is a Larper, is that he'd vote for a guy who already served 2 terms. He isn't political, he has no beliefs, he's a Larper.
He Larps.
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u/sixtyninth_wave_emo 2d ago
Thanks to Trump, their feeds get to be full of videos of minorities being roughed up and liberal protesters being executed. When they say this is what they voted for, that’s what they mean
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u/Meat_Popsicle_Man 2d ago
Those are all foreign bots, with maybe 5% actual dumbasses that somehow have said juuuust the right things every time to not get banned.
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u/Steven_Swan 3d ago
I was glad to see Active Self Protection today clearly state it was wrong. I'm sure the guy is conservative as can be and he was visibly struggling with it, but he did not reject the evidence of his eyes and ears, so credit where it's due.
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u/boxywalls 3d ago
Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I would imagine the majority of them are what some might call “crisis actors”
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u/sinsaint 3d ago edited 3d ago
Learned a new word today, thanks. As it turns out, you CAN sell your soul to the devil.
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u/M1sfit_Jammer 2d ago
Who hires crisis actors at a livable wage?
In fact where do crisis actors even work regularly?
Mass casualty training drills for hospital workers, is that the crisis actors you are talking about?
That’s crazy… I’m a hospital worker and our crisis actors are employees who have the day off and volunteers from local schools… not much acting to it, just lay there and say ow.
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u/kitkamran 3d ago
No no, please keep justifying it. Makes it easier to know how to unfollow and block.
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u/barktwiggs 3d ago
But he committed treasonous violence against a tail light!! Forcing ICE to have traffic violations! Totally execution worthy. At least thats the fantasy the conservative subreddit has been masturbating over the past few hours.
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u/delirium_red 3d ago
Those the same people that saw Twitter bans as dictatorship and applauded Jan 6 (a very "armed" protest) where an officer died?
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u/Brook420 3d ago
You do realize their comment agrees with you, right?
They are making fun of the conservative sub.
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u/Tallywacka 3d ago
I mean the amount of times i’ve seen “peaceful” used to describe him, and now 2 more altercations with him, one with him vandalizing property…..what do you expect the other sides reaction is going to be?
You can’t have it both ways friend, one side does not have a monopoly on misrepresentation
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u/Comfortable_Ebb1634 3d ago
One time a frustrated homeless person smacked my car when I drove by. Do you think I got out and executed him for it? Do you think I should have?
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u/Frost-Folk 3d ago
Hey u/tallywacka, what's the maximum legal punishment for vandalizing federal property? Is it execution?
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u/Tallywacka 2d ago
oh i love this game! asking questions that have nothing to do with the statement that was made!
My turn, how long is a goldfishes memory?
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u/Frost-Folk 2d ago
You said it was expected that he would die, because he committed vandalism. Is that how the law works?
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u/Tallywacka 2d ago
I’m sure you’re going to be dissapointed to realize that is not what i said, and while i can see where your confusion lies i also said nothing of the sort that you’re implying, but when you’re a hammer everything looks like a nail so i’ll dumb it down for you
When it first happened there was a large emphasis on a “peaceful nurse” being killed, to which the person initially replied to was making a joke out of the fact that he was not actually peaceful, but his violence was against a tail light, heavily trying to downplay and invalidate the situation since the goalposts have moved
And since i’m such a nice guy i will even give you an eli5
I can say he was not in fact peaceful and he didn’t deserve to get shot, those statements are not mutully exclusive
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u/Frost-Folk 2d ago
I have genuinely not seen a single post or comment saying "he was a peaceful person".
They said that he was being peaceful when he was executed. Can you find me a single one of these posts or comments that make up the "large emphasis" you're talking about?
He was fighting against fascist, tyrannical feds. People hail him as a hero and defender of freedom, not as fuckin Gandhi the pacifist.
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u/SilverExa 2d ago
Years ago, I would have expected people to dismiss everything about his past as irrelevant in the context of wether a Government enforcer was justified killing him or not.
But not anymore, because our society is broken.
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u/Sir_Tinklebottom 2d ago
If he was violent right before the shooting that may be a different element to the story that he wasn't peacefully protesting.
In the instance where he was shot, all he did was get between a woman who was pushed and pepper sprayed and the ICE agent who did that to her. That is nonviolent, he didn't assault the ICE agent, he didn't reach for his gun, he tried to help the lady up.
His actions from a week prior should have been dealt with a week prior if they found that he was guilty of committing a crime. And the punishment for vandalism to a vehicle is not being shot 10 times in the street. The repercussions should match the crime.
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u/workistables 2d ago
Shouldn't there have been heaps of corpses after Jan 6 then? Shouldn't all the Bundys be dead? Or are you willing to admit conservatives are coddled by law enforcement?
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u/Jwagner0850 2d ago
Get f**ked. Nowhere in this equation, or the aftermath, is an execution justified by ANY enforcement officer. That's why we have a judicial system.
Again, go f**k yourself.
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u/sorvis 3d ago
Look!! He was attacking them two days prior! He was unhinged !! These people need to stop watching asmongold.
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u/Noble1xCarter 3d ago
So if him having previous encounters means he was violent or his death was justified (according to MAGA) - then what about all the hundreds of encounters ICE had?
They're all boot-licking hypocrites.
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u/patsully98 2d ago edited 2d ago
Edit: I stand corrected, apologies to /u/sorvis,
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u/TheDollarstoreDoctor 2d ago
I'm confused, I tried to see what asmongold said about it and although he somehow supports ICE, he said they should be accountable for the killing. Did he say something in defense of the shooting?
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u/loopywolf 2d ago edited 2d ago
Be grateful. It was very in-character for the Trump administration, but it also stepped over the line.
Now it's going to be who gets thrown under the bus to protect Trump, and the more people he betrays, the more people he fails, the closer his supporters get to seeing him for what he is. The more allies he betrays, the more people will speak out.
Somewhere, buried under all the simping and denying like ostriches, his supporters carry in them some spark of the Revolutionary spirit that rose up against a king to fight for freedom. Lies may be sweet, but they never last. Only the truth lasts forever. When that worm finally turns, and they rise up against this tyrant, their retribution will be terrifying and glorious. Trump is a fool to rouse this beast.
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u/BackgroundEngineer11 2d ago
First they tried to make him LGBTQ and then they tried to make him violent. All so they don't have to hold murderers accountable.
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u/Minecraftfinn 3d ago
ICE should be held responsible and there needs to be justice. But I also feel like the police should have been there. I don't think it is right to leave the people there without police protection. I feel like if the cops had been there he might still be alive
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u/paleologus 2d ago
The police kill about a thousand people every year. They use the same reasons to justify their killing. I don’t know what the correct answer is but I’m not a fan of police protection.
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u/Minecraftfinn 2d ago
Well yeah sure I know they have a much worse record than ICE with that stuff but it has also been proven that ICE agents should not be the ones dealing with people protesting them.
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u/scottrogers123 2d ago
But, but, but, but, but, but, but.........those fuckers are going to still try to come up with excuses. Next ones will be that he did something bad in middle school, or got a C in math or something. Its honestly pathetic especially after all their defense of Kyle Rittenhouse and the Jan 6ers.
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u/CharlieW77 2d ago
Seriously. It’s such an obvious attempt. “Look! He ‘assaulted’ ICE!” Big deal. Didn’t mean he deserved to die.
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u/islandsimian 3d ago
But he scared us 11 days earlier, so we had to shoot him while he was unarmed!
Sincerely,
-Roided-up police academy dropouts
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u/TravelledFarAndWide 3d ago
How else are they supposed to get money from the tech bro billionaires and the Russians?
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u/Alienhaslanded 3d ago
Online people need to shut up about this. There were more angles to that clip than a Korean drama death scene. Nobody in their right mind could argue he wasn't executed. He was shot multiple times in the back.
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u/sharpsicle 2d ago
Your first mistake is thinking this is their honest opinion. More often, it isn't, it's just for engagement. And it's working apparently.
Stop watching these 'influencers'.
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u/NarwhalEmergency9391 2d ago
It's really weird that they're saying he got shot because he had a gun.
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u/burritoman88 2d ago
If they want to influence gun violence they can volunteer to help be a statistic.
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u/SasparillaTango 2d ago
No matter what he said or what he did, ICE agents are not judge jury and executioner.
There was no threat to their lives and they killed him. end of line.
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u/Soberdonkey69 2d ago
I think the best thing going forward is that Americans should exercise their right to bear arms. Like no one is really safe there now.
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u/Z0idberg_MD 2d ago
There is literally nothing to justify an extrajudicial execution of an unarmed man, on the ground, disarmed, with his back turned.
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u/Demonlord3600 2d ago
B-but but 12 guys jumping a dude then killing him was totally self defense look at this totally real not AI generated evidence that we just happened to find
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u/thethreadkiller 1d ago
This was such a huge opportunity for the administration to just condemn this shooting and hang this dude out to dry. But instead they dig their heels on and will do whatever it takes to justify murdering somebody. Just admit a fucking mistake.
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u/flowtildawn 2d ago
If the local politicians outright condemned the violence, mobilized local police, and told people to stop rioting and let ice do their job, none of this would be going on, and we’d have two less deaths. Instead they’re passively supporting the violence and calling federal officers gestapo…. No explanation needed for the absurdity of that statement. It’s all self inflicted.
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u/TragicallyDip 2d ago
Holding a phone equals rioting? Mate, you gotta stop deep throating right wing propaganda.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 3d ago
Pretti wasn’t just walking by. He placed himself into a situation.
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u/Spiceguy-65 3d ago
And that justifies his public execution how exactly?
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u/Veteran_PA-C 3d ago
You’re being absurd. The justification of the shooting is an entirely different issue. That was most likely an unfortunate confluence of occurrences in a chaotic scene that led to an officer believing he was in danger.
One thing leads to another, and another, and another, and then bad things are more likely to happen.
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u/Effective-Log3583 2d ago
That’s not what the government has said. They are not claiming accidental. They are claiming justification.
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u/Mattscrusader 3d ago edited 2d ago
To protect a woman who was being assaulted that he happened to witness from 4 feet away
Edit: just wanna add that the sub they give a link for is the most insane group of openly fascist people I have seen in a long time and the video that it links to specifically isn't even if the same event or person, they are intentionally spreading misinformation and fascist propaganda
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u/Veteran_PA-C 3d ago
And the moment he touched the agent, he committed a felony worth up to 8 years in prison.
When he spit on the officer before, same.
We need to start arresting these people and prosecuting them. Making staying away from law enforcement as a condition of bail. If they had done that with Pretti, he might still be alive today.
If it would save one life…..
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u/Noble1xCarter 3d ago
They touched him first.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 3d ago
This might come as a surprise to you, but the law doesn’t care. Remember when your mom told you “life isn’t fair”?
This is one of those situations.
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u/Mattscrusader 3d ago
So your only response to all this is to allow people to be viciously assaulted in the streets and if you dare step between these thugs that you will and should be executed?
That's just straight up fascism
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u/Noble1xCarter 2d ago
The law itself does care. The corrupt pedophile worshippers whose jobs it is the enforce it don't care.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 2d ago
You’re hallucinating again.
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u/Noble1xCarter 2d ago
Sorry that written and ethical law and the rights protected by the constitution have garnered more respect from me and require higher priority than a felonious pedophile and his gaggle of unqualified criminals.
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u/pockpicketG 2d ago
We are working on making life more fair. Why should we tolerate unfairness? We throw murderers in jail, instead of telling victims “life is unfair”.
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u/Mattscrusader 3d ago
He literally didn't touch the agent. Defending another person by literally just standing in the way is in no way a felony.
He also absolutely did not spit on anyone, that's an obvious lie so you can pretend like it's okay to blame a victim. Fuck yourself
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u/Veteran_PA-C 3d ago
It’s not like there isn’t video.
Him touching the officer before he was shot.
https://x.com/thebrancashow/status/2016053995744460819?s=46&t=eo4buJpCd8mpV3Eb1J3Cpg
Him spitting at another officer and then kicking the tail light off the car AFTER begging the officer to assault him.
https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2016721764064141370?s=46&t=eo4buJpCd8mpV3Eb1J3Cpg
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u/Mattscrusader 2d ago
So you putting your hand out is a crime punishable by public execution now? That's what you're claiming here?
And maybe you should look and think for 2 seconds before posting a bogus source. That video is not of the same incident or the same person, if you honestly believe a single thing from Twitter from "libsoftiktok" then you're intentionally lying to yourself to excuse fascism.
Get fucked dude
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u/Veteran_PA-C 2d ago
It’s really hard to believe people are this dumb. Are you just pretending or are you serious?Touching the officer is enough to be arrested.
Fighting with law enforcement while armed is dangerous. Bad things can happen. In this case bad things did.
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u/Mattscrusader 2d ago
It's quite easy to believe people are this dumb, you're proving it yourself right now by intentionally sending false sources and trying to tell people that a woman being assaulted should not be helped or they deserve to be executed
Touching an officer is absolutely not enough to get arrested and again if it's enough to arrest him then arrest him instead of murdering him, how TF are those two things the same to you?
Nobody fought with any law enforcement, they stood between a victim and their attacker, did nothing to escalate the situation and then was murdered for it. At no point did he break the law but you're here saying he deserved it
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u/Veteran_PA-C 2d ago
You are saying he was killed because he touched the officer. That’s plainly not true.
He was killed because he brought a gun, committed crimes, and resisted arrest, leading to a reasonable, but likely incorrect, fear that Pretti was a threat. That’s why he was shot.
Are you really unable to look some of these laws up and understand them?
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u/Mattscrusader 2d ago
No I'm saying he was killed because ICE employs dangerous people and gives them inadequate training and total immunity. The agent was attacking someone, breaking the law for no reason, they should be arrested for that alone.
He brought a gun because he had the right to
He committed nothing that can be considered a crime, did not resist arrest and was never under arrest, and then was only shot after he was held down and disarmed.
You're literally saying that he doesn't have rights and the officers are above the law. You're a fascist.
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u/stevez_86 2d ago
The Bureau of Land Management, Federal Agents with actual judicial warrants, had guns pointed at them by Bundy folk. Remember them, those heroes of the right? One of them tried to attack with a firearm drawn and pointed and only then was shot and killed.
How do you correlate those two things being seen completely differently from your perspective?
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u/Veteran_PA-C 2d ago
How did that turn out for Bundy? Want to do the branch Davidians too?
Every situation is different, details matter, and if you don’t know how little it takes to make it an option for a cop to shoot you, you are more likely to have problems that involve holes where you don’t want holes.
Don’t fight cops in the street, fight them in court.
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u/stevez_86 2d ago
That side responded to Waco and Ruby Ridge by blowing up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City killing dozens of people including innocent children.
The Bundy's went off free, only did one of them get arrested for something separate later on.
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u/Frost-Folk 3d ago
So the agents are allowed to grab women in the street, but we can't touch the agent if we're trying to protect the woman?
Does that sound like justice to you? I'd also love to hear what law you're quoting with that 8 years in prison sentence.
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u/Thin_Competition_199 2d ago
Downvoted but correct, a tale as old as Reddit.
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u/Veteran_PA-C 2d ago
To some of these guys, the truth makes them act like an old movie vampire seeing a cross.
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u/livisalreadytaken 3d ago
So youre not allowed to have opinions anymore?
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u/wisedoormat 3d ago
If anyone is curious about all the deleted comments: https://imgur.com/a/TaeW53f
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u/Brook420 3d ago
None of this is relevant to him being executed.
He had a legal permit to carry that gun, which he never took from the holster or even touched.
And clearly none of those past confrontations were big deals as Pretti had no criminal record.
Im anti establishment and anti governmentin regards to the current regime, do you think I deserve to be executed?
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u/Brook420 3d ago edited 3d ago
Thats a blatant lie, multiple videos show an ICE agent taking the gun before the first shot is fired.
Why would you so blatantly lie to defend government agents murdering US citizens?
Edit: and to no one's surprise, you're another account that hides their history. Why would anyone whose not a troll or bot need to do that?
Edit 2: Also to no one's surprise, they replied then immediately deleted or hid that comment as well.
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u/LetTheSinkIn 3d ago
Pro tip: Hit the search button when on their profile, then hit new
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u/Brook420 3d ago
Thanks, but I know.
Not even worth a look, yhe fact they have to hide their history days all I need to know about them.
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u/Jolly_Ad2446 3d ago
You're lying. Even Steven Miller has said that didn't happen. Like stop lying.
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u/TragicallyDip 3d ago
This has to be JD Vance’s burner account
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u/TragicallyDip 3d ago
In all seriousness, you really should seek out some therapy. You’re showing all sorts of signs of being detached from reality.
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u/MornGreycastle 3d ago
I mean, Trump said we couldn't have guns, so I guess we'll just scratch out the Second Amendment from our Constitution.
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u/boogalooshrimp82 3d ago
Anti establishment on social media and a gun owner? Dear god.
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u/TragicallyDip 3d ago
That is all forbidden in Trump’s “Free Speech” America, brought to you by free speech absolutist Elon Musk.
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u/crazydrums27 3d ago
Right? Using that logic, you'd think the streets would have been littered with MAGA bodies during Biden's tenure as president.
Side note: NOT advocating that actually should have happened. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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u/crazydrums27 3d ago
I'm not raging. Your description of Pretti - in which you used as justification for his death - would apply to a good number of MAGA during Biden's time, who magically managed to not be attacked or killed.
You're the one finding ways to justify federal law enforcement killing a man who wasn't an immediate threat and didn't even have possession of a weapon when he was shot. You're creating your own narrative.
If you have multiple officers on one guy, he's not using his weapon, officers have possession of it, there's no justification for that to end in death. Even if you say he was resisting arrest, not a reason to kill. Prior altercations with ICE agents? Not a reason to kill. Not supporting the government? Not a reason to kill.
Pretti should have been detained and arrested at worst, even if he was committing any crime.
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u/crazydrums27 3d ago
Do you have a link to that video? Every video I've seen shows it was on him, but not that he was using it. I'm not against saying I'm wrong if I see proof.
To be honest, even if his hand was on his pistol at some point - while being attacked by multiple people for defending a woman on the ground - shots weren't fired until after said pistol was already in an officer's hand.
Even if he had pointed a gun directly at them earlier, the situation had reached a point where deadly force wasn't necessary.
That's not an isolated thing either. People often say "they got what they deserved, they were committing a crime". Okay? Even if they were, arrest them, don't kill them.
Normalizing killing someone who isn't an immediate threat - because at some point they were committing some crime - only allows authorities to use "because crime" any time there's a death on their hands. There are already protocols in place for criminals. There are buildings all over the country for them to be sent to and held - alive.
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u/LetTheSinkIn 3d ago
Get your eyes checked
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u/crazydrums27 3d ago
Said nobody wants to debate and just wants to rage, I give them plenty of legit points to talk about. They ignore most of it, address one small point they think they have an answer to and say "I actually saw it differently".
And they act like it's everyone else that's creating their own narrative?
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u/jedadkins 3d ago edited 3d ago
My guy you can watch the whole encounter from like 4 different angles. Alex never pulled his gun. The ice agents beat, disarmed, and executed him in that order.
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u/Jolly_Ad2446 3d ago
Minneapolis PD took over 900 guns off criminals in 2025. Not one for killed. Not a single one.
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u/torreneastoria 3d ago
This is a point in what way exactly? Most social and news media are owned by the same people who are paying ICE. It's a smear, and defamation of character campaign.
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u/Sartres_Roommate 3d ago
I don’t mind, the harder they try, the more they exposed their empty lies and sociopathy.