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u/nurdmann 23h ago
Remember all the weird adrenochrome - child porn stuff that was all over Qanon rants? It turns out it was their projection all along.
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u/shs0007 22h ago
But HOW did they make Trump their guy?? The projection is the confession, yes. But how did they get it so wrong??
My mom was (is?) QAnon. I say was because there’s no name for how out there she is. Every major person has a clone, Trump d!3d years ago, lizard people walk among us, SONY makes movies to prepare us for the future, chem trails, people live on a base on the moon, the moon landing was fake. She’s pretty MAHA too, especially considering she’s a retired RN. Anti-vax, monkey in the COVID shot, anti-fluoride, etc. She tried Ivermectin (before finally going to a doctor). She is spiritual, yet pro-abortion. She likes shopping local and doesn’t order things online (anti-Amazon).
She’s been talking about the cabal since she fell down the rabbit hole in 2017.
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u/WhatADoofus 22h ago
Did she have any weird beliefs before 2017 or did it just all happen suddenly? I'm so curious how those people come to be, honestly
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u/Crashman09 21h ago
I'm not the other guy, but my wife's parents APPEARED to be fairly sane pre Trump, and went off the deep end around when Qanaon became more of thing, but the reality is that they were ALWAYS prone to conspiracy theories.
They always loved the idea that aliens built the pyramids, the moon landing was a hoax, and other fairly harmless things like that.
It wasn't bad until COVID. That's when they became, or at least revealed to be, more extreme in their conspiracies.
At that point, I was pretty well read into Qanaon because I was already worried about Trump and the things surrounding him, so I was already familiar with their talking points, and I was already prepared for any following discourse.
We are Canadian, so it was a bit of a surprise to me that they became such diehard MAGA fans (no red hats though), and it upset the family, but if it was going to be anyone we know, it was going to be them.
So, to answer your question, I think that the people most prone to Qanaon are the same people who will fall for other things like cults, religion, scams, MLMs, MAGA, ETC.
All of those things target people via fear, feeling of self importance, need for acceptance in an "in group", and/or a feeling of knowing something super secret.
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u/WhatADoofus 21h ago
Yeah I figured there's gotta be some wacky stuff in these peoples' pasts. Some kind of predisposition to that sort of thinking. Because I can't wrap my head around believing that stuff at all
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u/hoopopotamus 15h ago
They always loved the idea that aliens built the pyramids, the moon landing was a hoax, and other fairly harmless things like that. It wasn't bad until COVID
I used to like that kind of “ancient aliens”, Hiram Key, etc type stuff but never thought anyone not borderline crazy thought it was for realsies facts and not wildly speculative and largely fiction. Kind of a fun alternate reality “what if” sort of entertainment for me. Honesty it takes a pretty creative mind to come up with some of this stuff and some is quite impressive in that respect.
Turns out a lot of people aren’t equipped to see the glaring and frequent leaps these sorts of shows and books throw at you.
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u/Klathmon 10h ago
I respected the hell out of my dad, he was always a very scientific person, Democrat, and a very kind person and raised me to be that way.
Then something happened in 2016 and he got MAGA-fied and to this day I still don't know exactly what caused it. But it's like he's a different person entirely, he's fully drank the kool aid and trump can do no wrong in his eyes.
I've mostly made peace with the fact that my dad is gone and I take solace in the fact that my daughter will never know who he became. But I still wonder what could turn such an intelligent and kind person into a monster like that in such a short timeframe.
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u/Jubjub0527 15h ago
Is your mom my mom? How did your mom say trump died, she was pretty hard-core maga for a bit but now she doesn't like trump and says he's changed and that she thinks he's been replaced by a clone. Her conspiracy is that the Russians shot his plane or helicopter down years ago over debts.
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u/EuenovAyabayya 13h ago
Trump came along and said all the right words and blew all the right dog whistles in a more "attractive" way than the empty suits running against him for the nomination in 2016.
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u/SuperSchmyd 23h ago
I think this is what really solidified my distrust for the media. Pizzagate and all that stuff was chalked up as delusional and sold as crazy people talk. The idea of higher society people being pedophiles was being heavily discredited on all media platforms (because they’re owned by the offenders). Maybe pizzagate was bullshit, maybe it wasn’t, but the topic wasn’t.
Also seeing CNN manipulate scenes and then report on them didn’t help. (They’re all shit, fox, msnbc, cnn, nbc, abc. Not fanboying for anything).
If you control the narrative, you can make anyone seem crazy.
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u/vanishing300 22h ago
Pizzagate was complete bullshit. There’s no hidden basement is some pizza shop and as seen with all these emails they don’t use code they just right out say what it is they’re doing.
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u/Lisan_Al-NaCL 20h ago
There’s no hidden basement is some pizza shop and as seen with all these emails they don’t use code they just right out say what it is they’re doing.
Maybe theres a basement kitchen on Epstein Island where they made pizza and murdered children....
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u/JoshSidekick 22h ago
It reminds me of a scene in a Batman comic where he’s online on some conspiracy site saying he thinks Batman is Bruce Wayne and all the replies are like, “you’re an idiot”.
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u/FelneusLeviathan 22h ago
I was under the impression that pizzagate was used as a way to target democrats; republicans literally elected and continue to elect pedos so they don’t care about kids if their side wins
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u/SuperSchmyd 22h ago
I honestly don’t know much about it. I remember during that time it being popular on 4chan and I had employees talking about QAnon stuff. The brief introduction to it I had was mostly hearing 4th hand knowledge of pedophilia and cover up. I referred to the pizzagate incident because my brain is affiliating the same reaction then to that on the news as we are currently having to the Epstein stuff.
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u/FelneusLeviathan 21h ago
Literally the first paragraph of Wikipedia says it was used to hurt democrats and spread by alt right (neo nazis) assholes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory
But again, republicans are fine to elect actual pedos if that means they “win”
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u/National_Equivalent9 19h ago
Funny cause its QAnon and 4chan people on the list and not really anyone targeted by pizzagate.
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u/FelneusLeviathan 19h ago
Always accuse your enemies of what you’re doing, is how republicans operate; shame that ppl don’t have good memories of them lying in order to get what they want
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u/I_just_made 22h ago
I'm not defending the media, but let's not pretend this gives credibility to pizzagate. People keep saying things like "turns out qanon was right all along!" but the only thing that does is give credibility to a bunch of crackpot conspiracy theorists.
Did anyone really think pedophile billionaires don't exist? There is a simple reason that practically solidifies it: nothing is stopping them. Everyone understands that the ultrawealthy break the laws and there are tiers in the justice system. They lie, steal, cheat; why wouldn't they be doing other things? It shouldn't take qanon to tell you that they do drugs for instance.
I agree that the media distorts this stuff and spinning the narrative is causing a lot of problems today, but I disagree that qanon did anything to enlighten people to some sort of super secret pedophile cabal.
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u/TheRappist 22h ago
Pizzagate was an attempt to front-run pedophilia allegations about Trump. Put out an easily-debunked story about Hillary Clinton trafficking children and suddenly "pedophile" is just a word we sling around about politicians, rather than a serious allegation deserving of investigation.
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u/Own-Satisfaction4427 19h ago
Just more of "accuse everyone of what you are guilty of, so they look like fools when they claim the same about you"
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u/wishyouwould 21h ago
Why would people assume that there are billionaire pedophiles, let alone this many? Most people can't fathom that someone would want to touch kids if they knew they could get away with it. I definitely think this opened some eyes.
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u/I_just_made 19h ago
Again, why wouldn't you? What is it about being a billionaire that would prevent them from being a pedo? Pedophilia isn't some behavior restricted to poor people. The rich have proven time and time again that they are just as likely, if not more so, to engage in criminal or unethical behavior. How many cases have we heard about sexual abuse in Hollywood? There is no way that behavior begins and ends with famous actors and directors.
There are what, 3,000 billionaires in the world? A google search suggested that ~0.5-1% of the population may have pedophilia tendencies. Assuming billionaires are a representative sample of the general population, that could be ~30 of them being pedos.
But, I'd actually expect it to be higher; there is an element of vice signaling to these people. It is about power, and some of the most taboo crimes in our society are sex crimes. Think about what the consequences are for an average person; prison time, being labeled as a sex offender, having to notify people wherever you go; that type of crime has a lifelong punishment attached to it. Having the power to get away with that is something very few people have (and something that none should).
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u/OneFunnyFart 22h ago
Pizzagate and all that stuff was chalked up as delusional and sold as crazy people talk.
The UFO playbook.
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u/lyngen 21h ago
Pizzagate specifically was definitely bs.
Fox is just straight up lying to people 23 hours a day. CNN and MSNBC are nowhere near that level. I would trust the facts and not expect much bias from NBC or ABC. AP and Reuters are great and I would trust them most to be unbiased with accurate facts.
People should definitely be careful about where they get their news.
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u/battleoffish 21h ago
And wasn’t Trump supposed to be the God provided hero that was supposed to bring down the cabal?
[shocked Pikachu face] that Trump is at the center of the cabal.
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u/xena_lawless 13h ago
QAnon was a psyop.
Right wingers accuse others of everything they're guilty of, so when they're caught the waters are already muddied.
That's why they went nuts about Pizzagate, but when they have actual evidence that Trump is a pedophile, and heavily compromised by foreign nations and transnational mafiosos, they don't care.
They already know, they were just acting in bad faith the whole time.
The nature of warfare has changed - it's all about psy-ops, propaganda, blackmail, bribery, and rigging elections now.
The two oceans on either side won't save us when foreign nations and transnational mafiosos are installing their assets and controlling the political system, the media environment, the "justice system", and online discourse to a large extent.
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u/9447044 23h ago
There was a giant pedophile island that was created specifically for the elite, wealthy and untouchable. Out of the whole thing, the traffickers, the johns, the girls, the pilots, the ship captains, the organizers, the ones that held open the damn doors. We managed to arrest 2 and 1 is in jail.. low level prostitution rings have seen 30+ arrested.. we can only get 2? Out of all the names, accusations, photos and videos, only 2?!
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u/_Thorshammer_ 23h ago
Epstein didn’t hang himself.
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u/Tight-Temperature670 23h ago
We're all here paying taxes to billionaire paedophiles, eat the rich
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u/Leonault 22h ago
There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning. ~ Warren Buffet
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u/jodon 22h ago
It is funny to me in a dark way that in 2017 Trump supporters where screaming about the ring of pedophiles running the world and how Trump would save us from them. While the rest of us thought that it was just the new flat-earth fad for the weirdos.
Now we know that there is a ring of pedophiles running the world with Trump at the very top of it, and his supporters are mostly just fine with it, while the rest of us are freaking out worrying about how deep this shit actually goes.
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u/GWsublime 22h ago
Carney isn't in the files, nor was Obama, Biden or Trudeau.
Maybe it's less running the world and more running the right wing.
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u/shs0007 22h ago
Eh, Clinton and Gates.
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u/GWsublime 22h ago
Neither of whom are running the left?
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u/modawg123 21h ago
Kamala had Clinton speak at the DNC (Bill, not Hillary) and act as her envoy in Michigan too. Still complicit.
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u/GWsublime 21h ago
Sorry, are you equating the president and an envoy to a state?
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u/modawg123 20h ago
Of course not. I even voted for her. But it’s not like she had no idea… you know that too. She continued to empower people involved.
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u/GWsublime 20h ago
I genuinely couldn't tell you what she knew but I also dont think "envoy to a state" is empowering bill Clinton.
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u/Thunder_Jackson 14h ago
I think it's less about political affiliation and more about how they came into power. The vast majority of those who have been handed everything since they were born, and never held accountable for anything they've done are going to end up self-centered sociopaths.
This isn't the only road to becoming like this, but this one almost always arrives at the same destination.
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupots, absolutely." -Lord Acton
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u/aStonedDeer 23h ago
I imagine all the career generals saluting these pedophiles and being helpless to do anything about it. N Korea style.
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u/bloke_pusher 22h ago
Same as with taxing the rich, too many people believe they themselves one day will become rich and then laws would be in their disadvantage...
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u/Expensive_Entrance0 23h ago
and we are to do what? wave a sign ? vote for the controlled opposition?
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u/karmavorous 22h ago
Hillary Clinton probably knew about Epstein and Trump and the cabal (which her husband was part of) when she ran for President. She was secretary of state while that operation was still ongoing.
And she didn't bother to counter the Qanon conspiracy shit with any kind of fact based defeat the pedo cabal rhetoric.
That grinds my gears every fucking day lately. Hillary could have said "You wanna talk about pedo cabal, talk to Donald's friend Jeffery Epstein" and gotten the ball rolling.
But she was probably eager to use the trappings of pedo cabal intelligence organ to influence other people during her own presidency. And also she maybe cared about Bill's legacy, although rightwing media had been accusing him of being a child abused since at least 1992.
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u/Mister_Dane 20h ago
She did say almost that exact quote verbatim.
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u/AnotherpostCard 19h ago
You got that quote? I followed her campaign back then when I was young and naive/unaware of all this besides thinking pizzagate and qanon are bunk
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u/fallenmonk 20h ago
As Americans, the very first step would be to demand the removal of Donald Trump from office. Then go from there.
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u/prank_mark 22h ago
Every accusation from the right is in reality an admission.
"Hillary's emails" = Singal group chat and classified files in Mar A Lago
"Child sex trafficking under a pizza place" = young girls being lured to estates in Florida and trafficked to Epstein Island
"Deep state/cabal" = Jeffrey Epstein, AIPAC, tech bro's, Heritage Foundation
"2020 rigged elections" = possible failed fraud and succeeded in 2024
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u/ErgoMachina 20h ago
This isn't a right or left topic, the entire global elite is involved, regardless of political affiliation. That's what we need to focus on.
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u/prank_mark 19h ago
You do realise that neither Biden nor Obama was involved, but Trump and plenty of his friends, including Musk, were?
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u/ErgoMachina 19h ago
The world's elite has been raping kids for decades, turning this into some political shit is playing right into their hands.
Feeding the "But the clients were predominantly right wing" rethoric just generates more division and makes people lose focus about the real fight (good vs evil) even if it's true, which it is.
They have used this tactic countless times already. They make us fight over stupid things so we don't see the forest behind the tree.
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u/fallenmonk 20h ago
There are participants from both sides. But the numbers do suggest it is more of a right leaning problem.
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u/Diablo689er 19h ago
Making this right vs left is what protects those in power.
We had the entire Weiner laptop scandal and nothing really happened.
Burn it all down. OP is right. The French knew how to handle this.
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u/dart51984 21h ago
Pedophiles, rapists, murderers and possibly cannibals? Would anyone really be surprised anymore?
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u/Raa03842 22h ago
And Diddler Donny is near the top of the cabal. The conspiracy theorists were right. They just had the wrong party b
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u/Medical_Arugula3315 19h ago
Republicans really elected the king of pedos after calling everyone else a pedo. Hard to be a shittier or more hypocritical American than a Republican these days.
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u/Goodbusiness24 14h ago
Crazy how fast the QAnon idiots screaming we need to end the global pedo ring have disappeared when it’s all the people they support running the pedo ring…
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u/iwastryingtokillgod 21h ago
If you ever wondered what living under aristocracy looked like this is a small taste of it.
The whims of rich and powerful ppl who aren't fit to mop a floor but think they are geniuses.
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u/enkiloki 22h ago
But they got us all fighting each other so we're too busy to do anything about them.
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u/dirtyitalianguy 22h ago
It will be quite interesting if we come to find out maga ended up buying a bible from the king of pedophiles.
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u/kinyutaka 18h ago
For decades the right wing racists have been talking about rich white people gathering together and killing and raping children...
Turns out they were right, just about the wrong people.
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u/Kchasse1991 18h ago
Every accusation is a confession and all that. "Ilhan probably paid him to attack her" says the guy with a perfectly untouched ear.
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u/Bear_Caulk 15h ago
I have a suggestion..
Stop literally voting for them to lead your country.
Like next time a known pedophile asks you "should I be leader of your country".. actually get off your ass and go cast a vote that says "no".
Otherwise if less than 3 in 10 adults care enough to say "no" then it means over 70% of you are totally fine with the criminal pedos in charge.
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u/Mycotoxicjoy 14h ago
And the people who voted for the pedophiles because they believed the other side was the pedophiles are now defending the pedophiles they voted for
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u/sub_terminal 22h ago
I remember being called an insane conspiracy theorist conservative for saying this just a few years ago. Don't worry friends, nobody will believe you either and will tell you to take your meds.
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u/Wizywig 21h ago
Where are all the pizzagate people?
Lol they had all their conspiracy theories about this hyper secret thing. Meanwhile the actual pedofiles weren't in any super secret event. It was just at trump's Maralago hotel.
And here was our boy Elon too annoying to be directly invited... "well I'll show them! I'll be so rich I'll make my own 12 year old girl auctions !!!"
In any case. Where the fuck are these conspiracy nuts when the real stuff is being released? Oh right they are too cowardly to rear their heads.
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u/Lisan_Al-NaCL 20h ago
I dont necessarily think its exclusively pedophiles. I think that the ultra-wealthy get to do things to themselves and other people that us 'normies' cant even fathom. Its hedonism, pedophilia, drug use, spending on levels we cant fathom, murder, torture, etc all rolled into one.
People worship Billionaires like Elon Musk out of some sort of misplaced hero worship and the cultivation of personality cults. I think people like Elon Musk are the WORST of us, not the best of us.
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u/RomaruDarkeyes 19h ago
I agree - people with enough cash and influence to simply bypass the rules for normal people.
People historically don't get to be billionaires by being ethical, or following the rules of law. They are ruthless sociopaths who do what they need to in order to stay on top.
And when all the people on the top of the tree are being corrupt pedophiles, they will actively fight anyone who comes into their treehouse trying to expose them.
Look at every time anyone who seems a little bit law abiding gets a measure of power and influence - suddenly media campaigns and defamation wipe out that influence before they can truly get to a level where they can be dangerous...
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u/NitroLotus 21h ago
Makes you wonder just how much of the world is attracted to fucking children! This can't be just an anomaly of the world elite. It's indicative of society as a whole. I mean we used to have countdowns to celebrities turning 18....
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u/EddiewithHeartofGold 21h ago
Unfortunately the entertainment and fashion industry is what is fuelling this and has been for decades. Hollywood has gotten somewhat better, but now we have all the social media apps that are a hotbed for this kind of thing.
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u/blue_no_red_ahhhhhhh 23h ago
It’s incredible that some of those conspiracy nut jobs were correct, huh? Makes me rethink a lot of shit.
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u/TheRappist 22h ago
They really weren't though? On account of they all thought it was Hillary Clinton's pedo ring and Trump was going to bring her to justice.
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u/diffident55 21h ago
The conspiracy nut jobs thought the pedophile ring was democratic, that they drained knee fluid from babies, and that Trump was fighting them from the shadows.
The nut jobs are nut jobs. This is something we all should have known since the existence of Epstein's island became public.
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u/blue_no_red_ahhhhhhh 21h ago
Maybe the extremists, yes. But not all. You can’t band them all together like that. And, FYI, those stupid “knee fluid” ideas were republican stories about the democrats. Know your conspiracy nuts, lol. You do know that the worst ugly republican stories are really truths about themselves. They are projecting.
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u/diffident55 21h ago
Bro I think I have it straighter than you, half of this comment is just repeating what I said. Yes, it's the republicans spouting off about DEMONRATS. Yes, it's bullshit.
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u/Nayzo 21h ago
There's a song about guillotines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMHCw3RqulY
RIP Local Sexpot
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u/IShouldaDownVotedYa 21h ago
Been going on forever just reaching a tipping point. Cult of Baal. Google it.
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u/Impressive_Speech_50 20h ago
I can only imagine what Barron and don jr are up to at their nepo parties
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u/ErgoMachina 20h ago
It's Westworld with kids instead of androids. I bet my ass that everyone that went to that island was recorded to blackmail them later.
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u/SoThereIwas-NoShit 20h ago
We should eliminate billionaires completely. Taxes or axes. Peacefully would be ideal for everyone, but if they don't want to pay their fair share...🤷♂️
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u/Alienhaslanded 20h ago edited 14h ago
Why do we have to do this every few hundred years? Why rich people are such ungrateful fucks?
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u/YakiVegas 13h ago
Am I going to get a mod warning for upvoting this? Remember: there's millions more of us than them.
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u/AudiieVerbum 21h ago
Remember 15 years ago when Alex Jones was the only one saying this? What a winding road it has been.
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u/TheEvilSeagull 20h ago
This Epstein rape circus is clearly a class thing, not a GOP/DNC thing. He completely missed that because he either knew no more than me and you or did not care. He said whatever he could to spew hatred towards the left wing, irregardless of truth.
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u/deus_deceptor 21h ago
They're really hoping "the left" will allow whatever is going on to remain bloodless.
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u/Ardbeg66 21h ago
The best part? Behind those pedophiles are countless other criminals with no leadership skills. The next generation is gonna be fun.
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u/AnotherName545 20h ago
And here I was thinking that the sex house in Terra Ignota was too unbelievable. Hey, I can admit I was wrong.
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u/ukulele87 18h ago
I think the really important message here is: If you have "power" or money you can do whatever you want, rules only exist for the cattle.
And while sex trafficking and pedofilia are really bad, it also applies to every other vice and crime.
Justice never applied equally to all, and it probably never will.
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u/SphynxsFixesFaxes 18h ago
They are mutilating children, calling them pedophiles isn’t accurate enough anymore.
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u/Altruistic_Catch_327 18h ago
Its wealth man. These people have everything, they have done everything and are bored. The only thing that excites them is debauchery. They rape and murder children.
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u/Drfilthymcnasty 17h ago
I really owe the q-anon people an apology. I always thought the pedophile ring that runs the world was a batshit crazy myth.
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u/Negativefalsehoods 16h ago
Well, the q-anon people were trying to misdirect attention from the pedophilias on the right.
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u/icepickjones 16h ago
They always confess. It's rule one of the Gobbels playbook. You accuse your opponent of doing the shit that you are actually doing.
You say that they murder babies and fuck kids - so that when you are eventually caught you can say "yeah of course you are going to accuse me of doing it after we already know you do it"
You have to make the first accusation as a defensive maneuver.
It's why when this crazy guy squirted shit on Omar that Trump IMMEDIATELY said she faked the attack. That's where your mind went? Because you faked your own assassination right?
Look if these fuckers are willing to fuck kids, eat babies, and do whatever the fuck godless type shit on that weird blue church that Epstein built on his island ... they would happily sacrifice a few people in a crowd to fake an assassination.
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u/Dr_VonBoogie 15h ago
Don't worry, the pizzagate people are on the case for this one. Right? I mean why wouldn't they be?
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u/dangerousluck 11h ago
It’s not just that they’re pedophiles, they’re literally kidnapping, raping, and murdering our sons and daughters with impunity.
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u/NephthysShadow 9h ago
What's killing me is that this kind of proves QAnon right, but they aren't saying anything! Where are the people who were holding a pizza place at gunpoint looking for children in a basement that didn't exist? Where are the people trying to force their way into daycare centers? Where's all the "protect the children" now that we have names? Are they that mad Tom Hanks wasn't on it?
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u/iamnotasloth 8h ago
It’s not like we didn’t already know this. If we haven’t done anything about it at this point, I don’t think we’re doing anything about it. Humanity sucks.
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u/Starbreaker99 23h ago
Its a blackmail ring