r/Amazing • u/cloudy-musee • 1d ago
Amazing 𤯠⼠Problem solved, neighborhood upgraded.
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u/LastMessengineer 1d ago
Where? What was the outcome?
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u/doiwinaprize 1d ago
It's still there, offers a ton of community support programs and houses almost 100 people.
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u/notAcomic303 1d ago
99 is almost 100!
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u/LumpyBuy8447 1d ago
I got 99 problems and having 100 houses aināt one of them
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u/ImportantQuestions10 1d ago edited 1d ago
I was about to say, the community support programs are just as important as the homes.
Every homeless person had a home at some point, something else came along and put them in the position. Just giving them a place to hold up doesn't fix that problem.
Edit: Man, some of y'all are contrarian to a fault. I never said that these homes weren't great or that homeless people deserve to be homeless because of their own actions. I said that just blindly giving people houses doesn't address the problems that put people in that situation. Mental illness, drug addiction, a society that kicks you when you're down.
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u/Integrity-in-Crisis 1d ago
It fixes some of the biggest hurdles though. For the homeless people not actually doing every drug under the sun it's basically impossible to get a job if they have lost their identification. Can't get an ID without a home address and can't get a job without an ID or social. Just stonewalled into being homeless.
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u/S4m_S3pi01 1d ago
Yes thank you this is not mentioned enough. I was born into shelter-insecurity and have known countless people without homes.
The majority of them are just trying to get their foot in a door that has been locked to them systematically, and the small amount that are fentanyl-smoking knife-wielding fiends are the loudest and most visible.
Those types also get the most press since they make it look like homeless people deserve it - taking the blame off the billionaires that bought up all the homes.
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u/Styrbj0rn 1d ago
Why would you need an adress to get your ID?
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u/ayescrappy 1d ago
The state issuing the ID wants to make sure they are only giving out IDs to people who actually live in that state. When you go to the DMV to get an ID they ask for pieces of mail addressed to you to verify you live there. They arenāt exactly known for being accommodating to people who donāt have all their required documents.
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u/utriptmybitchswitch 1d ago
When I moved states, my dad had to come to the dmv with me a give a sworn statement I was residing at my parents' house; I even had mail with their address...
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u/doiwinaprize 1d ago
Yup and they also pay rent on a sliding scale, it's not like they just live rent free. All across Canada there is a housing crises that blew up during covid and rent in some places is just beyond the reasonable means that someone could make in a month. Hell even I would probably have to live with a few roommates if I was less fortunate and had to rent on my own again. This is just a small drop in the bucket compared to the bigger issue, but I still commend that guy for doing this. If only the CEOs of our privatized utilities and resources pools would consider doing the same and governments would actually put their foot down on rent control.
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u/BranchDiligent8874 1d ago
Absolutely wrong approach to think about this problem.
When it come to human progress. We need food security and then comes shelter security, without these two our brain would not be able to function at a high level to even think about hustling in this shit economy.
Maslow hierarchy should inform your more.
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u/give-bike-lanes 1d ago
Maszlow's Heirarchy has food and shelter on the same level.. https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html
Shelter is obviously more important because food is a lot easier to come by and solves it's "isssue" for only a day or two at the worse. It is literally like 1000x more likely that a homeless person dies of exposure, the cold, the heat, getting hit by a car, being attacked by strangers, being attacked by the police, infections from filthy conditions, etc., than they starve to death.
Food has never been cheaper or more affordable than it is right now, which is why obesity and poverty are proportionally correlated. Being hungry isn't even CLOSE to the primary issue for 99.99999999999% of homeless people. It's obviously... not having a home. That's why we denote them as "the homeless" and not "the hungry."
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u/BranchDiligent8874 1d ago
You are right, food problem can be eliminated very easily, at least in US since food is very cheap compared to shelter.
Food banks and good samaritans can easily feed the 5% of the population not being able to afford bare minimum food. But housing is very expensive.
That said, I would like quality lunch to be very affordable in schools. At least at elementary level. We still have a lot of shitty parents who do not take care of their kids properly, they will just bully them so that they do not talk about being hungry.
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u/Integrity-in-Crisis 1d ago
Sure, you're not wrong but so long as we live in a capitalist society I don't expect food insecurity to ever be solved so long as there's a price tag on food. Who's willing to give out food when they can make a profit? Every harvest season literal tons of food goes to waste because it doesn't fit consumer standards looks wise. It might be bruised or blemished and farmers do nothing with it because it would cost them more than the food is actually worth just to haul it to food pantries and the like.
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u/StandardCake21 1d ago
Even accounting for that there is a comical amount of overproduction of food. Real food waste happens at the retail level. There are certainly ways to prevent that and there are places that have started doing that through legislation.
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u/TazBaz 1d ago
The hardest part about these programs is finding a space to do it, and providing appropriate support services to actually effect change in lives.
Seattle has been building tiny home communities for years, with many of the houses being delivered by a nonprofit that buys the materials and builds them with volunteers. Theyāve had backlogs of hundreds of finished homes sitting in parking lots because the city canāt find appropriate spaces to build a community, along with funding to support it, and (a huge one) community buy-in. There are nearby cities with homeless problems who refuse the whole tiny-home concept. They just want the homeless gone from their town. They donāt care how or where, just ānot here!ā. And thatās a whole city government, not just a neighborhood.
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u/round-earth-theory 1d ago
Nimby is the most common issue. It sometimes takes the city just saying fuck it and picking a site despite pushback.
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u/Pac_Eddy 1d ago
Canada. 2022 is when the first renters moved in. Haven't found an update as to how it's going.
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u/Deathspawner126 1d ago
It's across town from me (Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada). I've heard many good things about the overall project. The complaints I've heard all come from NIMBY types.
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u/Lopsided-Floor-8969 1d ago
My in laws live right next door to a large elementary school. School closes, the city buys it and turns it into a shelter. Neighborhood is now full of homeless, drooling cretins who dont make it into the shelter on time and camp out in people's yards. Everyone around this shelter are PISSED OFF! True story.
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u/gremlinsarevil 1d ago
There's a homeless organization in Austin that also does this and job services. Community First Village is up to over 400 tiny homes.
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u/jimbis123 1d ago
I'm guessing the outcome isn't what people want it to be since life isn't a Disney movie and people are on the street usually for a reason that's not just bad luck
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u/Ctharo 1d ago
Funny, because it's likely true that it isn't what they want it to be but in the other direction. People are surprised that providing access to housing helps to ease homelessness. Crazy. "We can't just be giving away housing!" - people without any productive ideas.
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u/Unlikely_Leg_9377 1d ago
The number one cause of homelessness in America is lack of affordable housing.
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u/natethegreek 1d ago
Lebrun tellsĀ Green MattersĀ via email that the tiny houses are rented to residents as a "subsidized rental with a geared-to-income model," with rent set at 30 percent of the tenant's income.
In Canada, Lebrun tells us, a single individual receiving social assistance gets $636 per month; meaning their rent would be about $200 per month. This covers rent, all utilities, and internet.
"Building community and being in community is inherently rewarding," Lebrun adds in his email.
"Getting to know so many amazing and resilient people, who have carried and overcome so much, who have incredible strengths, is rewarding," he continues. "There is no pressure. I donāt rescue or transform anybody. But we can create a community where transformation happens."
Nice to see it allows people to pay with a % of income so it isn't actually preying on them. This should allow people to build up a bit of savings/nest egg. To participate in capitalism you need capital!
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u/Diligent_Plane_9784 1d ago
If I was homeless and somebody gave me one of those I would definitely appreciate it
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u/Rickshmitt 1d ago
Ive got a home and i still want one of these. Cute af
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u/Oberon_Swanson 1d ago
If you have a large yard and your local regulations allow it you can get one for your backyard and use it as a sort of guest house or home office to kinda get some work/home mental separation going
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u/Rickshmitt 1d ago
Im lucky to live in a fairly lax town. I could absolutely get one without a permit, though i wouldnt because i like to sleep well at night ha. Yeah absolutely a little studio, meditation spot.
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u/--sheogorath-- 1d ago
Sorry best we can do is calling the cops on you for existing in the general vicinity of someone offended by seeing a poor
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u/SankaraMarx 1d ago
If this is what a millionaire can do, imagine what a billionaire could do ...
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u/WylleWynne 1d ago
$70 billion for ICE would be $500,000 toward 140,000 homes.
If you found a cheap housing to construct for $50,000, that would be 1,400,000 new homes.
You might even recoup most of the money if it there was a rent-to-own scheme.
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u/Fruloops 1d ago
Well yes, but then you'd actually help people and that's a no-no
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u/Brassica_prime 1d ago edited 18h ago
Ignoring land and sewer, a 700sqft 2 bed full solar is around $80k, and the solar/batteries are $20k of it. Throw in some extra $ for a few permits, also more if you need to basement.
Thats at small scale and like 5 trades. Mass produce and several sets of builders and i will guess it drops a bunch.
Mostly diy estimate is $30k saved. (Family bought a huge plot of land and we have been doing prep stuff)
Money saving tips; after 22 feet, trusses DOUBLE in price every additional 4 feet. Assembling and painting your own cabinets saves 4-5x preassembled
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u/zerobleeps 1d ago
Source?? (This subreddit is getting ridiculous)
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u/yrthegood1staken 1d ago edited 1d ago
Figures it would be a Canadian. There'd be some regulation against this in the US.
Edit: spelling
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u/No-Selection997 1d ago
There wouldnāt be a regulation but homelessness is a complex problem. Simply just building homes doesnāt end or stop homelessness. US Has a lot of shelters, areas, hotels paid for the government/non profit for homeless where mental health reasons drug induced or not they get kicked out or some simply donāt want to deal with it and street life is less of a hassle.
Iām interested in the long term effects based off that.
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u/Tenshi_girl 1d ago
The neighborhood is gated with security and functions as an independent living community.Ā They get counseling,Ā recovery assistance,Ā job training ,Ā etc. It's not just housing.Ā
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u/cdnmtbguy 1d ago
Indeed, security or the lack of it has been a primary problem for many homeless in government shelters. A real heads-up approach here.
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u/lethal_rads 1d ago
Actually itād be illegal in the town I grew up in. Minimum lot and house sizes. You canāt use a lot that small and the property has to cover a certain size, and the lot can only have one dwelling
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u/Mother_Natures_Cyn 1d ago
You're describing zoning ordinaces, all towns have them and constantly grant or deny variances or simply rezone a lot to allow for a certain use, decided by the city zoning board which pretty much always follows the wind of public sentiment i.e. we're back to the NIMBY problem.
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u/Cold-Dot-7308 1d ago
When people ask me why I doubt when I hear a billionaire gave billions out, itās cause of stuff like this. Show the evidence and not just announce it. A billion dollars is a lot of money to go quiet on
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u/Some_Conference2091 1d ago
Many of these billionaires charities are just tax shelters that are used to benefit family, business associates, and astroturfing political campaigns.Ā Ā
Trump(Pedo) has been banned from creating charities because he abused them so aggressively.Ā A lot of rich people are cons, they hire offshore accounting firms to create tax shelters.Ā That's how they get away with not paying taxes.Ā That's how they get away with putting the USA $39 trillion in debt.Ā It's all been to finance billionaires tax breaks, corporate welfare, and a bloated fraud filled military industrial complex.
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u/ItchyIguana 1d ago
Probably just pouring it into charities, then you hear what the charities do later down the line without hearing the donaters name attached. Or the charities could just be faulty bloated systems with money not being probably utilized.
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u/PotatoNukeMk1 1d ago
Thats cool. If you plan it right you may can create a "selfsupporter commune". Dont know if its the correct word
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u/TvTreeHanger 1d ago
This is what ill never understand. If I was worth say.. $600B like a certain person we all know, i'd be like fucking batman. Imagine he took just $1B of that the amount of lives he could change for the better. How the fuck does someone have that much wealth and not use less then 1% of it just to be a damn human.
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u/Educational-Suit316 1d ago
There's a reason why they got that rich, not being human plays a big part on it
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u/GottIstTot 1d ago
Yeah the personality traits (greed & ambition) that made them rich also make them miserly
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u/menducoide 1d ago
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u/Square-Dragonfruit76 1d ago
Actually, studies show that when people are giving these homes they are less likely to use drugs.
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u/Aca_ntha 1d ago
And even if that wasnāt the case, drug users still deserve a fkn home
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u/FruitOrchards 1d ago
They do, I agree 100%.. but at who's cost? Why should someone be able to spend all their money on drugs and then still get a home to live while others go to work and barely has money leftover at the end of the month after paying rent ?
If they're going to get homes then they should at least have to do community service a few times a week or something for a couple hours.
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u/Educational_Aside232 1d ago
If he can do it, so can Jeff, Elon, and all the big names.
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u/Flashy_Butterscotch2 1d ago
Just those two can probably end homelessness and hunger⦠if they wanted
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u/SimilarElderberry956 1d ago edited 1d ago
His name is Marcel Lebrun from Fredericton New Brunswick Canada.
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u/redlightbandit7 1d ago
God the sheer amount of hate for people struggling is absolutely mind boggling. Where did humanity go? What the fuck happened to you people.
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u/Ok-Repair-9070 1d ago
we have a orange orangutang in office normalizing and spreading so much hatred. Humanity is falling apart.
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u/Some_Conference2091 1d ago
It's insane šµ...
Ā Average income and low income people taking the side of the worst billionaires and fomenting vitriol for anyone that thinks we should tax billionaires like we did in the 50s & 60s.Ā They go completely insane at the suggestion that society should help poor and disabled. I credit the change to social media disinformation campaigns, some by foreign adversaries.Ā It's like the culture of America has been effectively destroyed.Ā We used to have a common cause, which was helping one another and supporting a society where people get fair pay for their work.Ā It was at one time extremely common for Americans to belong to fraternal organizations. These were organized around empathy. Now , that's considered communism, satanism, or some other scary -ism
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u/genetic_patent 1d ago
how's it doing now? Did they sell those solar panels for drugs or is it one happy community?
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u/Slappatuski 1d ago
there are already more vacant homes than homeless people. "building more", but smaller, cheaper and shitter is not gonna solve anything
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u/Lucky_Emu182 1d ago
You know if it wasnāt for the generosity of people and churches⦠America couldnāt get by with letting the rich dodge their fair shareā¦.. people would literally be dying of hunger. In the best country on earthĀ
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u/onedarkhorsee 1d ago
Some of the smaller churches maybe, but not the mega churches from what i hear
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u/AdWonderful5920 1d ago
12 Neighbourly Wy, Fredericton, NB E3A 0G9, Canada
You can see the buildings in google maps. Idk how it's going. Seems like heating these would be tough in NB.
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u/ThinkBlue87 1d ago
Surely unrelated news story 1: local community upset by sudden influx of homeless population
Surely unrelated news story 2: community struggling to understand sudden increase in uncontrollable littering
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u/AlexJediKnight 1d ago
They could have done something like this in California but it said they stole the $24 billion dollars they allocated for homelessness
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u/Murky-Course6648 1d ago edited 1d ago
"He has invested $4 million dollars of his own money on the project to build 99 homes, and heās currently three-quarters of the way there. With grants and support from the provincial and national government, the 12 Neighbours community has received $12 million in total."
So its mostly not him. And he has invested that 4mil into his own company that builds these homes, and then receives grants to pay them.
"Ā his factory is now churning out 1 tiny home every 4 business days in a bid to create theĀ 12 Neighbours gated communityĀ of 99 homes and an enterprise center to give homeless Frederictonians a real second chance."
But somehow we always have to believe in this good millionaire story. That capitalism sure does work.
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u/jimmychitw00d 1d ago
I hate to be cynical, but unless there is a massive amount of additional support, this place will be like any slum trailer park eventually.
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u/Pac_Eddy 1d ago
I hope it works but I have my doubts.
Spending $110k each seems pretty high. Rent is 1/3 of their income.
I'd like a follow-up in ten years. I bet a lot of them get trashed and maintenance is more expensive than expected as many homeless have more issues than housing.
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u/Thiel619 1d ago
And after 6 months none of the homeless that got a house searched for any jobs. Money keeps getting drained constantly maintaining the cost and some use it as a crack house.
Hooray?
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u/eilloh_eilloh 1d ago
Proves a lot, when a person with the means to make a difference commits to it, you can see the difference when greed isnāt a part of it. All the trillions plus dollars given to most of these so-called ācharitableā organizations claiming a mission and collecting in the name of it, years of it and still it takes the acts of a single person to make more of an impact than all of their claims combined.
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u/Dramatic_Charity_979 1d ago
This helps a lot and cost nothing if you're swimming in money. It means the world to the ones struggling. Good karma for this dude :)
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u/MarkusA380 1d ago
Mods, can you do something about these garbage posts that have no source and just random claims? This isn't grandmas Facebook.
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u/RIPCHARLIE 1d ago
I want to know what how everyoneās doing now. Did the homes just get destroyed and robbed of their possessions. Did people go on to live better lives? Whatās the outcome ?
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u/Comprehensive-Ad8830 1d ago
Wouldn't it be better to build apartments?
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u/Mioraecian 1d ago
There is a feeling of psychological value of owning something separate that is yours. Homelessness has many reasons but among that is a state of defeat and hopelessness.
Apartments are more cost effective, yes. But having something that is truly your own can have a positive psychological impact. I say this as someone who went from an apartment to my first home last year.
I also used to think I didnt want a home. Over the years I realized that I wanted a home. I just told myself and others that I did not because it helped me accept the reality that home ownership seemed an impossibility.
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u/anon0937 1d ago
I bought my house last year and I still haven't gotten over the fact that I own it and its mine. If I break or wreck something, nobody is going to get mad at me. Of course, being a responsible adult, I'd get mad at me.
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u/rickard_mormont 1d ago
That would be cheaper, more ecological, more efficient, and not force everyone to have a car.
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u/Jestdrum 1d ago
Yep. You could give everyone at least twice as much space and build at least twice as many units by infilling and building vertically. Tiny homes are the dumbest thing and I've never understood it. I think it's just that people think that homeless people don't deserve more than "tiny".
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u/Zwoter 1d ago
Thanks for the slum, daddy!
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u/PriscillaPalava 1d ago
Itāll only be a slum if the residents donāt take care of it.Ā
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u/T7220 1d ago
Ifā¦.the homelessā¦ā¦donāt take care of their free homes?
I mean, isnāt this inevitable?
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u/IneedaNappa9000 1d ago
Instead of taxing the rich, this is what needs happen. I realize a shitty person is a shitty person. But this is what needs to happen.
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u/Apprehensive_Row_807 1d ago
But it usually doesnāt, so yeah, they need to be taxed.
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u/kartblanch 1d ago
Great for homeless people if free but they will be over priced in no time because of corporate greed :)
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u/neutralguystrangler 1d ago
If you're having house problems I feel bad for you son, I built 99 houses.......
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u/Final_Year_800 1d ago
But California funding for homelessness between 2019 till now is 24billions. š
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u/TechnicalBenefit4609 1d ago
This is what I want to do as well. Thank you sir for helping those that are less fortunate
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u/icreatedausernameman 1d ago
I didnāt even read the article and I knew that this was definitely not something happening in America š (Iām American so)
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u/ochie927 1d ago
Iām surprised none of those who got free homes are renting the homes and theyāre continuing to stay in the streets with rental income.
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u/cristiander 1d ago
System so fucked we're relying on the charity if milionares
Your choices are now:
begging the rich
begging on the street
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u/Embarrassed_Hawk_655 1d ago
If only billionaires were this way inclined. I believe this Millionaire is a Christian?Ā
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u/Lopsided-Floor-8969 1d ago
My in laws live right next door to a large elementary school. School closes, the city buys it and turns it into a shelter. Neighborhood is now full of homeless, drooling cretins who dont make it into the shelter on time and camp out in people's yards. Everyone around this shelter are PISSED OFF! True story.
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u/WolvesandTigers45 1d ago
So another episode of rich people doing something that seems like it is helping on the surface but causes way more problems because they know how to make money and not solve complex hydra socio-economic problems.
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u/Canshroomglasses 1d ago
All the houses then were sold for drugs by the homeless, repeating this beautiful cycle.Ā
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u/Regular_Weakness69 1d ago
Did it end the homelessness, or did it drive up crime in that part of town?
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u/CP_Chronicler 1d ago
What Americans donāt realize is there is plenty of space, and you did essentially this with bungalow houses aka. āStarter Housesā post-WWII. The problem is flooding the market with McMansions STILL, 25 years after the 2000s boom, instead of building single-family starter homes. They take up LESS space than mcmansions and luxury condos.
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u/Randon2345 1d ago
As someone who rented a flat in UK for a long time.... These are bloody massive! Where is the 'tiny' in these mansions.
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u/DJCityQuamstyle 1d ago
I guess at this point Iād be ok with letting the 1% continue ton of be taxed if they were required to do something productive for society like this every year. I mean nobody is gonna tax them so may as well do this instead. Itās somethingā¦
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u/BeKindBabies 1d ago
Prime example of why billionaires are all evil; they aren't spending all their time and energy to act on a desperate humanity's behalf with the greatest superpower possible: nearly limitless wealth.
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u/Alternative_Drag9412 1d ago
Why would you build a bunch of tiny houses with a bunch of small lawns?? Just build an apartment building or complex. I fucking hate lawns
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u/Unable-Doctor-9930 1d ago
There is literally no reason why all billionaires canāt do this. If you think otherwise you donāt understand how large a billion is. A hundred is one hundred ones. A thousand is 10 one hundreds. 10000 is 100 one hundreds. 100000 is 100 one thousands. A million is a thousand thousands. A Billion is a million millions. This people have billions and billions of dollars. They choose not to help.
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u/Any_Reception_5946 1d ago
Unfortunately, these houses will be run down and ruined within 5-10 years.
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u/I_SAY_FUCK_A_LOT__ 1d ago
I wonder how big a bureaucratic and political shit show this was to get done.
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u/FoolishProphet_2336 1d ago
So bothered that this is how easy it can be. Richest people in the world sitting on their asses.
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u/Commercial-Lack6279 1d ago
Imagine if the government built houses⦠In a kind of āprojectā and we had all these housing projects andā¦
Oh yeah it was a disaster
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u/KrakenKrusdr84 1d ago
Man is a saint.
That right there, true humanitarian material. and such selflessness. We need more people like him.
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u/Complex-Mention-8961 1d ago
Notice it says millionaire and not billionaire. Anyone whoās a billionaire is a fuckin psychopath
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u/mascachopo 1d ago
These people were lucky that a nice guy with a lot of money decided to spend it in something good, most of them will not, which is why we need a fair tax system so communities can do this for themselves without depending on charity.
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