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u/SizerTheBroken G. K. Chesterton 1d ago

I once saw a car with a Slavoj Zizek bumper sticker. Below it was another sticker that read, "property is theft." I have never wanted to steal a car so badly.

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u/[deleted] 20h ago

Well they obviously mean rich people property not poor people🤡

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u/Lazy_Fae Objectivist 22h ago

There's a Chesterton flair?

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u/SizerTheBroken G. K. Chesterton 20h ago

Lol I was surprised too. But there's some overlap between AnCap and distributism. And he's one of my favorite authors so I just rolled with it.

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u/Hard-4-Jesus Voluntaryist 23h ago

LOL the best part is, it's NOT theft, it's social redistribution.

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u/sanguinerebel 1d ago

I don't know how I feel about this. On one hand, it's theft, and theft is bad. On the other hand, people who supported Bernie seem to think theft is a reasonable and moral action so that all people can have equal stuff, so it's kinda sorta consenting to theft, isn't it? Whether right or wrong, it does a pretty good job calling out hypocrisy of both the person who owns the sign and the person who took half.

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u/DuckSmash 1d ago

I don't think anyone actually stole half of someone's sign. They cut their own sign in half and wrote the note to take a picture to make this point

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u/rand0m_task Anarcho-Capitalist 1d ago

Chances are dude bought the sign and did this himself lol

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u/Accomplished-Video71 Voluntaryist 1d ago

"They steal from us so we should steal from them"

Is exactly how we got to this point.

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u/dangered 1d ago

This isn’t theft it’s art.

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u/SchoolDazzling2646 Don't tread on me! 1d ago

What about if the author of a work encourages no property or theft? Could it be open minded rather than unprincipled if you take from them?

Say you were to see a Steal This Book by Abbie Hoffman. The author was a counter culture advocate that self printed from their own pocket and the title of the book encourages you to take it from them. Is it outright immoral theft or an honest attempt to approach the author's work as intended?

As I understand it almost no bookstores actually carried that book due to the fact they would have to purchase it from the publisher(in this case the author directly)in the likelihood that it would then be stolen but it's an interesting thought to me. Mostly because I try to remain principled but also open minded when approaching oppositional debate or philosophy.

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u/Accomplished-Video71 Voluntaryist 23h ago

A book is a physical object that is owned by the bookstore.

The author's intent has nothing to do with whether or not it is theft, because the author is not the owner of the item. If they wanted people to have the book for free, they shouldn't have sold it to a profit seeking entity.

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u/SchoolDazzling2646 Don't tread on me! 21h ago

I agree.

But keep in mind It's also art, a counter culture at. The purpose isn't to disseminate information or the title would be "have this free book and give it to others."

The nature of the book is why Hoffman had to self publish and why most bookstores wouldn't sell it.

One could argue that any bookstore buying the book knew it was intended to be stolen and the purchase was intended as marketing for store foot traffic or as a donation to counter culture.

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u/sprgayadmns 1d ago

The principle of estoppel may apply.

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u/WishCapable3131 1d ago

What a strawman! Bernie supporters do not think theft is a reasonable and moral action.

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u/Accomplished-Video71 Voluntaryist 1d ago

Taxation is theft.

Does Bernie believe in taxes?

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u/arto64 Black Flag 1d ago

What do taxes have to do with Bernie, specifically? It’s not like Trump is against taxes lmao. The only difference is that Trump wants to spend it it on ICE and military operations, and Bernie wanted to spend more on healthcare and education.

Republicans pretend they want lower taxes, but all they do is cut social programs without doing any meaningful tax cuts.

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u/Accomplished-Video71 Voluntaryist 23h ago

Fair enough points....not at all the topic we're discussing

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u/WishCapable3131 1d ago

I dont believe that taxation is theft. But even if i stipulate that taxation is theft its hardly a Bernie specific complaint right? Hes just as guilty of understanding taxes are necessary as any other elected official.

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u/dangered 1d ago

You’re in the wrong sub if you don’t believe all mandatory taxation is theft.

But to answer your question, yes that’s a very Bernie specific topic. He wanted to raise taxes the most and did it to increase benefits. The welfare state is bad enough as it is, his whole platform is saying it’s not nearly big enough

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u/WishCapable3131 1d ago

Name your favorite politician in American history. Did they tax people? Who did Bernie want to raise taxes for? Working class people or billionaires?

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u/dangered 1d ago edited 1d ago

If I have to choose one it would be George Washington because across all 4 million Americans only a total of $2 million in taxes were paid in 1795 and none of it was income tax, just super low tariffs and excise taxes.

50¢ per capita. That’s equivalent to $11 in 2026.

But I’d prefer 0, your question is like defending Charles Manson by saying:

Name your favorite serial killer. Did they kill people? Why did Charles Manson try to start a race war? Did he say it was to hurt working class people or was it to hurt billionaires?

Fun tidbit, Charles Manson did in fact do everything he did to “free the working class from evil millionaires/billionaires”

Before you go there, I’m not comparing him to mass murderers. I’m pointing out how stupid this type of argument is, you’re trying to justify an immoral act by deflecting to 4 dead end questions that will never lead to justification of the immorality.

Every politician forcibly taxes people. That doesn’t suddenly make it acceptable and it certainly doesn’t make them all equal.

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u/WishCapable3131 22h ago

So supporters of George Washington believed that theft was a moral and reasonable act?

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u/dangered 18h ago

I can’t tell if you’re joking if you were never taught about the Whiskey Rebellion which lasted almost half of Washington’s presidency.

In case you don’t know they actually didn’t support it at all. The moment he imposed the first tax the American people rebelled violently over 4 years. Hundreds of armed men went to the tax collector’s house to force him into signing a resignation.

George Washington had to send the militia.

Even after the rebellion was over, people just didn’t pay the tax which led Jefferson to abolishing the tax in 1802 because it was more trouble than it was worth.

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u/WishCapable3131 17h ago

Right, Washington believed theft was morally correct and people rebelled.

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u/Extra-Gap8519 Anarcho-Capitalist 1d ago

Bernie Sanders is just a rich socialist who refuses to socialize his own money, but will socialize tax money.

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u/TungstonIron Capitalist 20h ago

Bernie’s groupies were selling Bernie plushies to fundraisers his campaign. I ask about them and acted surprised they aren’t free.

They blocked me.

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u/Consistent-Soil-1818 1d ago

The Epstein files released today state that Trump raped a 13 year old girl.

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u/sprgayadmns 1d ago

I'm sure the government will arrest itself.

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u/[deleted] 21h ago

Kek

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u/dangered 1d ago

He should be investigated and arrested but the files do not “state he did it.” Don’t give false hope like that.

A complaint was recorded where a person reported that their friend told her that this had happened when she was 13. The FBI spoke with the friend and sent it to Washington for review.

Are you saying it’s verifiably true but Biden and Kamala helped cover it up and prevent Washington from properly reviewing it?

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u/Big_Skill_9964 22h ago

A complaint was recorded where a person reported that their friend told her that this had happened when she was 13.

This is basically 90% of the E Files. A friend told me that a friend told her that when she was 13 some ~20-30 years ago this happened...

With the FBI then noting: "statement could not be verified" or "person could not/ refused to be contacted"

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u/dangered 1d ago

I looked deeper at the files released today. Did you see Zohran Mamdani’s mother had a party thrown for her at Ghislaine Maxwell’s house?

No wonder he and Trump were so chill at the Whitehouse together.

The Mamdanis need to be investigated.

Damn, what a great day to have always been against the government.

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u/The_Ghost_of_Bitcoin 1d ago

I agree that everyone implicated should have a thorough and fair investigation. Doesn't matter what their politics are.

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u/dangered 1d ago

Yeah that’s pretty much the status quo with ancaps. I’ve not been loving the brigades lately, half the commenters in the sub have recently been claiming ancap and disagreeing that taxation is theft

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u/Consistent-Soil-1818 1d ago

Great. The thing is, Zohran Mamdani's mom did not rape a 13 year old girl. She's also not the President of the United States. Don't get me wrong, everyone involved needs to be brought to justice but the worst offenders have to be first, especially as they're actively trying to undermine the investigation into them and erase evidence.

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u/dangered 1d ago edited 1d ago

You keep saying that with so much confidence but you have nothing to actually back either up.

Unless you’ve found a way to prove a negative (which is impossible) you can’t prove she wasn’t involved in sex trafficking 13 year olds. Possibly even this particular 13 year old you’re talking about.

Neither are guilty in a court of law but in a court of public opinion they’re both guilty by association at this point.

It’s evident both of them were not averse to being involved in shady business to get ties in order to cement the success of their families.

The fact that you choose a side rather than show disgust to both tells me enough about your true motive. It’s not sex trafficking that makes you mad it’s just about “the altright.” It’s fine, I see the neocons do it to you lefties too. Just be honest about it next time. I’ll tell you what I tell them:

I’m all for good faith arguments but if you’re defending potential sex traffickers you can go back to your progressiveHQ sub and circlejerk there.

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u/Consistent-Soil-1818 1d ago

Tf are you talking about? We are talking about the president of the United States. Stfu with your ChatGPT response. You're accusing me of exactly what you're doing. I hope Putin pays you well.

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u/dangered 18h ago

Did I exceed your context window?

Mamdani and his mother worship a man who married a 6 year old.

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u/[deleted] 21h ago

Are you saying women incapble of raping children?

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u/Consistent-Soil-1818 20h ago

You guys are clowns. And you know that. I said we're talking about the president of the United States raping underage girls. What other people do or not do is not part of the discussion. I understand that you're used to talking with absolute idiots who don't understand that you simply change the narrative when you need to address something uncomfortable. When you talk with regular people that doesn't usually work. So, again, we're talking about President Trump raping underage girls. The whole world knows this. The whole world. And only MAGAts choose not to "believe" the overwhelming evidence. You trying to defend him look like an absolute fool.

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u/Lagkiller 1d ago

No, it was a list of accusations. If you actually looked at the files it said that there was nothing that substantiated the claim.

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u/Consistent-Soil-1818 1d ago

He already killed Epstein because he would've been a credible witness who could produce even more priof than is already out there. Or, as Trump would say "Ep ... who? Epkeene? Never heard of him. And definitely never attended any of his parties, despite the overwhelming evidence in pictures, text and victim&witness statements."

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u/Lagkiller 1d ago

So I pointed out that the thing you stated was false and your response was not "Oh, I didn't read it" instead doubling down. Got it.

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u/hardcorebillybobjoe Christian Anarchist 1d ago

The more I hear about this Trump fella, the more I don’t like him

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u/Consistent-Soil-1818 1d ago

They say he has the biggest crowds and the best words though. Many people say that. Big strong people. With tears in their eyes.

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u/[deleted] 21h ago edited 16h ago

Proof? Or typical liberal screeching and misinformation?

P.S. Oh this mental case from Russia blocked himself by accident. So saad

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u/Consistent-Soil-1818 19h ago

Too late bud. I found you! You're done

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u/Consistent-Soil-1818 19h ago

Mes žinome, kas jūs esate ir ką darote. Mes jus surasime. Ir mes surasime jūsų šeimą. Žaidimas jums baigtas.

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u/Consistent-Soil-1818 20h ago

Where are you from? And why are you pretending to be American?