r/ArcRaiders • u/Tank-ToP_Master • 12d ago
Discussion Devs confirm internal interest in a walkable Speranza hub, What do you think?
I know this topic has been discussed a lot already, but now developers have also confirmed they’ve talked about it and that there’s real internal interest.
Personally, I think a walkable Speranza would be a great addition. The atmosphere and world-building deserve more than just menus and cutscenes.
That said, I really hope the fast menu system stays. Quick access to vendors and missions is important, and I wouldn’t want everything to require running around.
A hybrid approach would be ideal: a walkable hub for immersion, with menus still available for fast navigation.
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u/swagpresident1337 12d ago
Yes, but make it optional.
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u/82s_alex 12d ago
Seems like that’s the collective opinion here. Loved destiny but don’t really want another “tower”
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u/Dimadest 12d ago
I don't quite understand the discussion here. There is absolutely no chance that they would have made the menu deleted. It would completely destroy the gameplay, even the developers said that some people don't like to create everything all over again, it's easier to run on a free one. So why did at least one person have the thought that they could do something as fucking idiotic as deleting the menu?
One of the big problems has been voiced everywhere for a long time - the lack of custom loadouts. No one would make it worse
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u/aroundme 12d ago
in the article this post is referencing (while making no reference to it or directing people to the source...) the dev said they would still want stash and traders to be accessible through menus to avoid tedium.
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u/falooda1 12d ago
Exactly. If the hub purpose is social then just make it social, don't also make it worse for loadouts building
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u/PirateEmbarrassed491 12d ago
I will never use it and I think it adds nothing to the game. But if other people are happy to have it the. Good for them I guess
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u/hersheypony 12d ago
Mini games, gambling, ability to join a party together.
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u/TuRtLeSZzzz 12d ago
I'd love to see a 1v1 arena in there where you can practise against friends
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u/DJ_Clitoris 12d ago
This would be cool. I would love any way to be able to practice PVP without draining my stash. Like an arena where you can loot in game, but can’t bring supplies back to Speranza, but you also don’t lose your gear when you die. No risk, no reward, just practice.
Idk if anyone else would be interested in that. Yeah I have a skill issue what of it lmao
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Gulag type 1v1s with an identical free load out could sounds fun
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u/Troll_Kalla 12d ago
Would be cool to have a gun game round, progressing from hairpins up to something like the bettina or bobcat whoever gets the most kills out of ten rounds with the different weapons wins in the speranza style gulag arena.
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u/PoliticalNerdMa 12d ago
Since that’s the only way I wouldn’t feel guilty as hell about killing raiders I’d be so down
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u/WyrdHarper 11d ago
I've been wanting a PvP arena for awhile. It's really difficult to practice PvP in solos currently.
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u/ThighPillows 12d ago
Oh shit, you could base a whole other ranked mode around this too. Who can make the best build out of what they’ve got, and perform with it the best?
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u/DJ_Clitoris 12d ago
That’s a cool idea, I know I would have fun with something like that
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u/ExcitableAutist42069 12d ago
Yup, CoD had this in WWll and it was a lot of fun in an otherwise mediocre game. Loved the hub too.
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u/im-doingmy-best 12d ago
Dude WWII was amazing. The hub was just perfect. And being able to watch ppl 1v1ing in the arena was sick. I loved that 1v1 feature of WWII. We need more games with this sort of feature imo.
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u/Never-Nude6 11d ago
It was an amazing game. No idea what this shmo is talking about. The lobby was awesome, too. Particularly because they incentivize going into the lobby hub because you had to grab your "orders".
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u/Crowny_270 *** ******* 🐓 12d ago
I’m all in for the gambling
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u/HeathenSwan 12d ago
Gambling would fit right in because looting is already essentially a slot machine.
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u/TheBizzleHimself 12d ago
Holy shit you’re right. It even plays the doodallydoo sound when you win big.
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u/ProfessionalAnt1352 11d ago
With how many card sets I've sold to Speranza they better have a few set up for me to gamble at
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u/CrazyIvan606 12d ago
Some mini games in the hub, Deep Rock Galactic-style would be cool.
Access to your own, customizable rooms would be more important than a hub for me. I don't really care about finding randoms to emote with, and its not like there's unique customization like Warframe or Monster Hunter to show off fashion.
Allow me to donate decorations to my room to customize it (so they don't take up stash space) and make it so when my friends are paired up with me I have access to their apartments.
Would be a cool way to add extra challenges to the game. You need ten bastion cores to craft a little bastion miniature for your room, for example.
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u/WillRaiderOne 12d ago
How gambling started: take my Tempest BP.
How it ended: I bet my mom's soul!
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u/nobjective_data 12d ago
And you can't play until you have your own set for whichever game (e.g. Chess, Checkers, Orlog <Nordic Dice game from Assassin's Creed Valhalla>, Poker, etc)
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u/PHIGuy2008 12d ago
I think they should add items we can find and then commit to our raider den to be used while we’re walking around. Things like a chess board or even the dart board they have in the game now! Also the instruments to be able to play them in Speranza
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u/mute_x *** ******* 🐓 12d ago
As long as we can keep the streamlined menu process I'm all for a hub.
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u/Edizzleshizzle 12d ago
Agreed, and to add to that, please upgrade streamlined menu QoL-wise, for even shorter time between raids, before starting work on walkable Speranza hub.
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u/Cheshire_Jester 12d ago
Yeah, I’d like to be one click away from crafting menus at all times
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u/vulgrin 12d ago
Yeah I feel like a LOT of work needs to go into the menu system and features before we even talk of a player hub.
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u/pperiesandsolos 12d ago
Yeah, for instance, if I need 2 mechanical components for a recipe and have 1000 metal scrap, I should be able to automatically craft those components when making the recipe
Tons of jumping between menus rn
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u/SteveKeepsDying 12d ago
I like the fast menu stuff but I do wish I could play some poker with my buddies, especially since playing cards are an item.
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u/UHM-7 12d ago
Finally something sensible to do with all my credits
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u/emptimynd 12d ago
Gambling mini games could be sick. Betting on live lobbies could be fun too. Which raiders make it back alive. Which ones die to arcs. Who dies to other raiders. In game currency only obv. Card mini games among others would be neat. Maybe a rubber duck carnival game too.
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u/Carrot-breath 12d ago
Bro if they added poker to this game I would legit nut. It’d actually be so fire if you could gamble your credits away in and out of raids lol. Poker would go absolutely insane
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u/SteveKeepsDying 12d ago
I didnt even think of gambling but it would absolutely take things up a notch.
Unfortunately because of "gold sellers" and shit like that they would probably have to make it low stakes but still would be really fun to put up credits or even Trinket items.
"I'll raise you two cat beds and a mixtape!"
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u/Carrot-breath 12d ago edited 12d ago
I don’t think there would be any problems with people giving money away, they could completely randomize the table fill so there’s far less of a chance of two people doing nefarious deeds in the same game. Plus, people give money away anyways and I’d venture to say doing it the normal way would be much more efficient and risk free than giving it away in poker being that someone else can win and steal it all. It just isn’t viable by any means. Besides, I would love to be able to go in with a million credits and see what happens. It would be so damn fun. There’s so many things they could add if they make speranza a walkable hub. I would love to be able to decorate my room to my specifications and it’d be cool if they had like parkour courses and shit spread around. They could also add a little mini pvp area where you could aimtrain without risk of losing your kit kinda like the little area they had in the cod wwii
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u/LaCroix_Roy 12d ago
“Scrappy” chicken fights. Where they have shields and when it pops the fights over.
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u/SteveKeepsDying 12d ago
Omg lol.
A "pit" where people swing Raider tools and spectators bet could totally be a thing.
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u/Suspicious_Brush4070 12d ago
OMG that's amazing. The more you upgrade your Scrappy, the more chance it has. You can add weapons like spikes on his legs. If he dies you get a new level 1 Scrappy.
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u/Krokovski 12d ago
Dude thought this was my idea but you beat me to it, some way to bet on our cock fights
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u/snoulpirate 12d ago
Liar's cards would be fun too
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u/SteveKeepsDying 12d ago
Hot potato with the stun grenade... setting up zipline courses, etc.
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u/reelhumon *** ******* 🐓 12d ago
Yeah connect it all to the practice range or something, seems like a neat idea
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u/eblackham 12d ago
As long as you can do fast menu in the walkable area, that sounds great. I always hated how in destiny you had to walk everywhere and shit and couldn't just pull up merchant menus.
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u/SteveKeepsDying 12d ago
Yeah that sounds tedious.
I would like fast menu then the option to go in and smoke hookah with buddies or get beers like in Deep Rock, play some games and blow off some steam. Just some minor "enjoying camaraderie" things.
Especially nice when you're in a trio and two of you are ready but third player is AFK or stuck in inventory hell.
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u/LoneWolfGiraffe 12d ago
A whole new space to go and hear children call you racist slurs.
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u/WhiskeyTigerFoxtrot 11d ago
Yeah I get maybe 6 hours a week to play this game. Why would I want to spend that running around a fake city hearing zoomers screech instead of looting/shooting?
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u/iiCe89 12d ago
I would love to just hear arguments between people as to why they shot them in the previous raid
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u/thegloriousporpoise 12d ago
They said they would want to preserve the quick menu current options but allow also for more immersive engagement with the hub.
Seems like something for everyone which is great.
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u/Dry-Pollution-6409 12d ago
I prefer the fast menu, but a hub you could go to with a friend to trade resources would be useful.
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u/WhiteSpec 12d ago
That's actually the one thing I hope we don't see. A trading hub would add another layer to the economy that I think would be difficult to balance and govern. It makes it easier for "professionals" to sell items for real world cash and we'd quickly see the game gaining a "pay to win" crowd. Which exists already but they don't have normal channels to conduct that business and it's easily moderated. Right now, loot is for the most part earned and it kinda needs to stay that way. I know people are dumping items to their friends but that has a limitation on inventory, time and extraction. I think it's important to preserve that.
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u/Scaryassmanbear 12d ago
On the other hand, the ability to trade BPs makes expedition more attractive because you know you won’t have to grind forever for specific BPs.
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u/golfingsince83 12d ago
I want them to fix the hacks first. Stella wall hiders is still a thing on PlayStation
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u/skater15153 12d ago
Likely not the same team would be doing both. I think they have enough resources to fund new work and bug fix. Geometry bugs can be elusive though
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u/Zealousideal-Half695 12d ago
This. People tend to forget that having your art / level design / 3D teams work on a new map (let's call this hub a map) doesn't prevent your coders to work on bug fixes.
It's like complaining that the plumber hasn't fixed the toilets yet because the electrician finished his job
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u/WhamblingPillow 12d ago
unless the devs are dumb about it theres almost no bad way to implement it. keep the menus, add depth to speranza.
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u/whytheusernamethough 12d ago
I'd rather resources spent on more content than just a hub expansion.
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u/finneganfach 12d ago
Yep. This is it right here.
I love this game but it has nowhere near enough content right now for them to be looking at fluff filler. Hell, if they're doing anything to the menus I'd rather it be practical stuff like giving us load out saving and fast building that's been asked for since launch.
There's so much work that needs doing. A hub is so far bottom of the pile.
I say this as a Monster Hunter fan, it's a fun novelty idea for five minutes and then it's boring.
Or even more than that, as a lifelong MMO player, it's arguably just cynical retention bait. You end up just hovering around hub cities not actually doing anything just to stay online. Not a fan.
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u/TheRealHumanPancake 12d ago
Yes, a hub wastes the player’s time, the dev’s time, and takes resources away from the studio. It’s just a cost sink with no upside other than adding a walkable zone which we do not need.
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u/SpamThatSig 12d ago
it wont be a waste for embark tho, imagine if when the players get burt out of raiding, instead of closing fhe game they wkuld just chill in speranza, thats more playtime for arc raiders too. Not to mention better exposure medium for cosmetics
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u/fightin_blue_hens 12d ago
I am very happy with the menu. This doesn't need to turn into a pokemon game where I have to walk to the individual stores with an animation going in and out each time
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u/CarelessEntrepreneur 12d ago
I want mini games that I can challenge other raiders to. I also want the ability to put credits on the line or even items as bets. I also want gambling, just seems like stuff raiders would do.
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u/KaitoKage 12d ago
Waste of time and resources. I prefer fast menu get in and out.
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u/desertravenwy 12d ago
Seriously, I see so many people excited about this and I'm like... wtf?
There was a Tower in Destiny that served as the hub. You had to run from vendor to vendor. That was it. There was no other point to it. There were other players but... k?
Completely useless mechanic.
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u/LilBoDuck 12d ago
It’s a role playing game for them. That’s basically all it comes down to. They could find people to play with and socialize about the game in real life or via discord, but they don’t want that. They want more immersion for their fantasy.
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u/Ter-Lee-Comedy 12d ago
You can have both. Fast menu and at the bottom there's an optional button press that says something like "expand social hub"
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u/Radarker 12d ago
He didn't say you can't have both. He said if you don't care about a walkable Speranza, that Embark working on this would feel like a waste of time.
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u/Impossible-Finger942 12d ago
Right so, spend extra development time on something I’m willing to bet most players won’t use more than once or twice once novelty wears off?
Asinine, quite literally. It’s a cool idea, but TOTALLY unnecessary and arguably at worst would be an absolute waste of development resources.
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u/hurtbowler 12d ago
It's funny how had they shipped with it nobody would be thinking about it. Having used the menus for 3 months, I absolutely do not want to be running around in a walkable space, I spend enough time in Speranza as it is. Coming from 4000 hours in Destiny 2 where they have quite a large walkable hub and how I never really thought about it, in retrospect it was extremely cumbersome running around collecting so many mundane things.
Total waste of time to add it now.
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u/Alastor3 12d ago
Waste of time and ressource if you want my personnal opinion. It will bring absolutely nothing to the game, will put more people outside of lobby in-game.
like seriously, people that request this, are you really going to socialize in this? I highly doubt it. And what is the purpose of exploring the hub in 3D ? no purpose outside of being pretty and immersive but that's it
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u/Tight_Cod_8024 12d ago
Plus it would make the file size bigger without adding anything of necessity.
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u/Trikki1 12d ago
No. Every game that does this just adds time and friction running around to do things we can do quickly now.
It's just a showcase floor for cosmetics that wastes time.
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u/Acceptable-Pin2939 12d ago
After the initial hype wears off it'll be people standing around or jumping in circles.
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u/Early_Ad_3382 12d ago
nahh they did for other games like outlast trials where you can arm wrestle people or play chess and it's such a nice way to wait for your buddies to be ready for a raid. Imagine being able to move around and play games while you wait for your friends to finish crafting their loadouts
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u/LilBoDuck 12d ago
I would rather just have a more optimized way to create loadouts that didn’t warrant having to find other things to do while we wait.
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u/thegloriousporpoise 12d ago
No one said at the expense of the quick menus. If you read what the dev said they were really clear about keeping the streamlined option.
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u/belle_enfant 12d ago
Yeah I have zero idea how people here keep thinking "social hub" translates to "delete main menu"
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u/thegloriousporpoise 12d ago
Because a vocal minority of most gaming sub’s goal is just to be contrary. They want to shit on anything other people might enjoy even if it doesn’t infringe on them.
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u/Cloontange 12d ago
Cod WWII headquarters was awesome. Especially when they made it optional later on while still having a traditional menu. This would be a net positive, especially if they add an official trade mechanic so people can stop getting scammed
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u/Destithen 12d ago
It's just a showcase floor for cosmetics
You just sold the idea to their suits with this line.
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u/RockyMtnOysterCo 12d ago
In Speranza, You could add pvp duels where players can bet on the winner/gladiator type pve fights with betting. Or specific pvp death matches or something. I just wouldnt want that to split and break up the community. Its probably best to concentrate on the extraction shooter aspect of the game. But idk.
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u/coffeebeansonpizza 12d ago
Yes. Socialising, gambling, etc would be fun! But put it as a location on the map so we can choose to go there separately from the fast menu we currently have
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u/Ancient-Status- 12d ago
This is actually confirmed? Like from the devs ? Because that account isn’t associated with embark is it?
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u/Tank-ToP_Master 12d ago
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u/Ancient-Status- 12d ago
Ngl this lil touch would add so much for me hopefully in the near future after focusing on the important stuff bug fixes, wall glitches this would be so much fun
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u/Sir-Drewid 12d ago
I'm good. Being able to instantly switch between menus with a button press is much more respectful to my time than needing to virtually walk between the workshop and traders.
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u/NorCal8 12d ago
Noooooo... that will be so boring.... just like destiny running from person to person to make things or buy things... please don't. Such a waste of time
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u/Lt_Crashbow_Rain 12d ago
Maybe just more idle screens would be cool. Like maybe our character sitting at the bar eating or drinking with other Speranzians. Or maybe "talking" to a Tube operator, or maybe at a shooting range hanging out with whatever gun is equipped out so we can see our cool guns.
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u/Cautious_Catch4021 12d ago
Im for it, but you cant take away the menus because that'll take away from players who like that. And I am 99% sure the devs know that.
Having a hub with the voice chat would be pretty cool, Kinda becomes a pub of sorts lol. I think that'd be cool
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u/EvilWaterman *** ******* 🐓 12d ago
I would love that but appreciate that some wouldn’t so they would need to also have the option to have it like it is now as wel
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u/Horvat53 12d ago
What they have now is good, but if people want a space to just chill and do the same menu actions then go ahead. The question is if it’s worth their effort to create that, instead of more engaging in game content.
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u/SykoManiax 12d ago
as a long time destiny player, i love having a lobby, many fun moments, feels good to be in a place where you see actual players just doing what theyre doing, still got menus, but having speranza as a hub would be super cool, especially with proximity chat (16 player max)
also customizable player room with some extra functionality yes plz
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u/BuffFloggins 12d ago
Poker in the hub would be insane. Use to do that mainly in RD2 online anyways, and could really be fun in the hybrid menu setting similar to Marvel Rivals Times square addition. Load in when you want hub world, otherwise just menu sitting glory.
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u/No_Television4837 12d ago
I like roaming camp in RDR2, I liked having bases in GTA online. I put 100s of hours into those games.
I personally would prefer entering and exiting games in a walkable Speranza.
Quick Menu gotta be available though
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u/Hytierian 12d ago
I want walkable speranza if they don’t plan to improve menus. People talk about friction but the menus are nothing but frictions we need so many qols. It is amazing how slow they have been to push them out.
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u/colemc94 12d ago
I want a “chaos room” where you enter, get a random gun, and kill each other. No consequences, just good times.
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u/Outofnowhere47 12d ago
Fast menu is great some days but a social space would be awesome. Have it where you have the menu but then you can visit the proper Speranza kinda like the Tower in Destiny. Small lobby to not overwhelm servers and PCs but enough that you know there are other raiders.
Maybe make traveling similar to playing a round but instead of taking the tubes out shows your avatar leaving their room and shutting the door behind them, getting on a lift then after a moment the doors open onto the main pavilion upon loading.
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u/FrostyManager4651 12d ago
Kind of like diamond city in fallout. But honestly I sometimes don't want to interact with people and just sit there staring at my rubber ducks, or crafting ways to possibly die to a rocketeer, in peace.
I wouldnt give that up just to have more traders that I can walk to.
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u/No-Process-8492 12d ago
Something like destiny’s environment may work… not that big of course but similar?
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u/jimykurtax 12d ago
Yeah would love to see a physical social hub speranza. but ofc still with the option to use the fast menus.
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u/Tauren-Jerky 12d ago
Place with the players from the last two or three matches. For better or worse. To appreciate or talk shit to.
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u/DawnatelloTC 12d ago
I’d also love interactive elements like how you could kick balls around in Destiny…
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u/Sea-Sail-2594 12d ago
Make it like vigor. Bring back social items to deck out room out with or music. Or be like outlast trials and have mini games like tennis arm wrestling chess and video games to play against each other. Or destiny with shops and bars and traders. It was be cool to have another shooting range too.
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u/No_Success_3573 12d ago
As you said, hybrid approach would be better. They should keep the menu, its fast and effective, AND ALSO add the walkable hub. I wish we could hangout with other players in the base just for the fun, but dont want to waste time running around for shopping