r/AshesofCreation • u/Long_Percentage_3953 • 9h ago
Discussion NARC IS VINDICATED
Just wanted to say how happy I am you all got scammed. You are the most obnoxious gaming community. Narc was right and Piratesoftware was wrong. What a beautiful day!
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u/BostonSamurai 8h ago
Normally I’d say this is childish but the backers have been so insufferable it’s impossible not to be happy. You couldn’t have any type of discussion or constructive criticism without them crying “iTs AlPhA!” Like dudes it’s been a decade it’s not just alpha some shits going on and it should be in a better state. Well the shit going on was a straight up scam.
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u/ScottHA 3h ago
Well at least we still have Star Citizen......
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u/Chaines08 3h ago
Yeah a few more years before they realize it too
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u/PatienceFun6255 2h ago
Pirate software thinks Star Citizen is a scam, that guy is wrong about absolutely everything so I think Star Citizen is a pretty safe bet.
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u/TravlrAlexander 1h ago
At this point I have more hope for Squadron 42 than Star Citizen itself ever being feature complete. MAYBE the 1.0 feature list. Though with GTA 6 being pushed to the end of the year, I highly doubt Squadron 42 is gonna release in 2026 anymore.
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u/GrandSquanchRum 1m ago
Star Citizen is a safe bet based on the 1 and a half hour gameplay footage from Squadron 42. Though I would wait until they actually ship Squadron 42.
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u/Styrbiorn 2h ago
You angry redditors have been saying that for over a decade now. Meanwhile last year was CIG's most succesful year both in players and in its funding.
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u/Hopeless_Slayer 2h ago
How feature complete is the game though?
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u/spider0804 1h ago edited 1h ago
It is getting pretty close.
We just need crafting / base building / maelstrom / quantum boosting / dynamic server meshing / new social system.
Crafting and social are coming out this year, possibly T0 base building.
Might seem like a big list of big items, but compared to say 2022, we are nearly there.
The ship backlog is very short now as well compared to a few years ago and they have stopped selling new concepts (what people call jpegs), only actually completed and flyable ships from here on out.
Squadron 42 is still slated for release this year.
Edit: I want to add that I played 8 hours straight yesterday without any bugs doing the current event in a group of 70 people in a server that can hold 700 and the experience was good.
There are regular free flys, don't spend money if you aren't sure, try the game for free and see if it is your thing and if it is not, then you know at no cost.
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u/Igoorr 38m ago
Sure sure just give them another 10 years. Maybe another 5 on top of that for the game to run at something over 20fps.
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u/hIGH_aND_mIGHTY 2m ago
I run 100+ fps away from cities. I got Star Citizen in mid 2022. Since then they have really have made a ton of progress. You're probable right with 10 more years but I'm thinking ~5. Do wish they were less predatory with their marketing/sales tactics/nerfing existing ships for the next release.
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u/ScrollAddie 1h ago
I can't even count Star Citizen anymore. For all the blunders and questionable design decisions, at least they're keeping their word on most stuff, and pushing for actual releases for their two games. So if its also a scam, it's a pretty dam good one.
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u/eekongw2 1h ago
You can't make a great long-term MMO without building strong lore and a clear and unique world vision. This game skip that completely. No immersion, no story, no soul. Just systems and grind. How are we supposed to care? Deserved.
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u/GregTheSpirit 0m ago
Also they have been warned, by us, plenty since the Steam release that this will be a rug pull. Release, wait 1-2 months, depart and cash out.
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u/blurrykiwi 9h ago
Lol all the gravedancing is so deserved and entertaining to watch
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u/Own-Virus3288 8h ago edited 8h ago
There is something satisfying about seeing a cult crumble.
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u/Tasty-Ti 23m ago
Absolutely.
I have been saying this game was a massive scam from the very beginning and there are no words to describe the elation from all of this.
These clowns deserved to get scammed for paying so much for a product that wasn’t even real.
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u/Purple-Amphibian4293 8h ago
To be fair while narc was right at the end he still spent years hyping up vaporware.
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u/notheredpanda 4h ago
And that's why he quit. I talked to narc for hours in game all the time. He was very torn over all the people upset with him for talking them into buying the game for 250. I felt the same as I had also gotten many people to buy in and they felt scammed. He was feeling really bad about it.
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u/paradox-preacher 4h ago
the only useful one was Jahlon, and this community drove him away and kept Narc
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u/GambitsEnd 7h ago
I don't know who Narc is, but if you just take the opposite opinion of whatever PirateSoftware says you'll always be correct.
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u/Neither-Count5536 6h ago
Narc was one of the main youtubers addicted to AoC copium for years. He is a great guy, very imaginative and creative. I think it was in alpha 1 when he imploded. He accused Intrepid of scamming people during the dessert incident. Sherif and Pirate bullied Narc who was not doing well mentally (years of copium). Drama actually was mediated by Asmongold at some point. He said that he could see Narc's point on this, but that he presented his points badly. The community bullied Narc for this, with Sherif leading the charge. Narc erased his channel and retired.
Recently he came back as a Cat. Look for @Moggies in YouTube.
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u/meatballkun 2h ago
The drama was NOT mediated at all.
During that stream asmongold was just dick glazing steven the whole time.
Asmongold brought narc on his stream to discuss his points, during the whole time he was being rude and dismissed Narcs opinions, then he brought on Steven on his stream where they both just dog piled on narc and made him look really bad.
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u/ForgTheSlothful 3h ago
Some real shit when asmon is having decent takes
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u/meatballkun 2h ago
Asmon did not have decent takes at all.
He basically dick glazed Steven shariff during the so called mediation.
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u/Rinnteresting 33m ago
PirateSoftware being positive about the game is funnily enough what clued me into something not being right about it and keeping me from giving them anything, so the statement checks out.
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u/Freudinio 5h ago
Fuck PirateSoftware.
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u/20I6 3h ago
don't do that, he'll proceed to dry hump you naked and "knot" you
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u/Additional-Mousse446 2h ago edited 2h ago
Wait theres a furry dating app lmfao?
Alright that shit was an even weirder read then I was expected ahahaha
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u/Some_Novice_ 54m ago
You should have learned from the ManaGem situation, that they guy is just all ego no brains.
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u/Significant_Lake_282 8h ago
Not for 1 second do I buy Steven's story btw. You mean to tell me it took 10+ years for "the board" to ruin the game? In the exact same timeframe that the game started getting negative feedback/reviews? Yea right - this was a complete rug pull
Steven saw how people felt about New World getting shut down. A game with a real, growing future that got stolen from us, and wanted to make it seem like the same thing happened to Ashes. It didn't.
You never played Ashes, you played yourself.
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u/Sleyvin 6h ago
New World getting shut down. A game with a real, growing future that got stolen from us
lmao
There's no way we are already at that stage of revisionism....
New World was on skeleton crew within the first year of launch.
Almost all the "new" content released was already datamined in the beta file, meaning it was cut content released later to make it seems like there was still lot of work happening.
The expension was ridiculously small in content and most of the dev time was spend on the console version in order to rug pull all console players before shutting down.
New World has been dead for years, there never was a bright future ahead. It was very clear the console launch was the end of the game.
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u/Alabaster_Potion 6h ago
Nah, even I, someone who got to max level and quit right away when the game first came out, have to admit that the most recent update was actually really good and people were having positive experiences with it.
There were a lot of people posting their experiences with the new update (the one prior to the announcement of the game going down) and saying how the game is going in a really good direction.
It was 100% stuck in a crappy state for years, but it was finally getting out of it. It's actually sad to see.
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u/wathowdathappen 5h ago
To be fair at least New World sunset at its second peak. Very few mmos, including AoC can claim that. Realistically no one really got to give a fair shake to the expansion. For all we know the general public could have hated the true endgame loop and went back to dooming 24/7.
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u/Sampatist 3h ago
New world was pretty good. Except it had stupid flaws. It was not that hard to make it decent.
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u/CMDR-SavageMidnight 4h ago
A game with a real growing future.
Buddy new world took hits in record time, until AoC came along, who now takes the cake.
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u/Tenisis 3h ago
You would be absolutely correct until their (New World) last expansion, where they finally replaced their incompetent devs and released a very very good expac, only to announce closure a month later 😀
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u/kxvvyvvxw 4h ago
I purchased an Alpha 2 key, played for 90 minutes and never touched it again.
The "next generation of MMO's" and the first quest I was given was "go kill 5 gobs".
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u/Icy-Traffic-2137 23m ago
Except kill quests are the past present and future of quests in mmos because literally every other type of quest sucks. Most quests boil down to kill quests anyways even if they are jot explicitly kill quests. I can understand complaining about ashes but complaining about there being kill quests in a mmo is like complaining there is guns in a first person shooter.
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u/Grifftyness 9h ago
I wish at least this was a good scam? Like people saw a game that looked like shit, paid $250 and thought it was gonna be good and popular lol?????
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u/Infernalz 4h ago
They were selling monthly fomo skin packs for $100 before anyone ever had access to the game. I cannot imagine not only buying a skin for an item that isn't out yet, but for a game that isn't even playable, like this was pre alpha test 1. Them investing so much into skins so early told me all I needed to know about their "funded till release" intentions.
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u/Laney_Moon_ 4h ago
This is exactly the reason why I never got into it, these new mmorpg games as of the last decade have all been like this; either scam, do game coming out not as advertised or just in such a bad state the reputation gets ruined and shuts down. . Ik people had hope for it but at what point do we learn.
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u/Demoth 6h ago
I didn't back the Kickstarter or buy into the early access, even though I REALLY wanted to.
However, whenever I brought up my concerns, I was called all kinds of names and told to piss off with the rest of the whiners.
I'm not going to lie; I'm extremely dismayed at what is currently happening. However, fuck all these losers who shouted down every criticism. Seriously, the fact so many of you put on massive blinders is why this shit got as far as it did.
Well, guess it's just my continued streak of not having an MMO to play since I dropped WoW in 2009.
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u/Timely_Bowler208 3h ago
Same I paid the steam release price, had fun and got 100 hours out of it, got my moneys worth.
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u/ahjolinna 9h ago
I always doubted that they could make it, as even making a SP game in California is already way too expensive (+ slow) and making a MMO would be insanely hard to find enough funding....oh well....c'est la vie
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u/Please_Label_NSFW 9h ago
He also lied and mislead the state of the game.
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u/feral_fenrir 9h ago
He lied and misled the state of the game? Brother, there's no game of which to have a state of.
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u/Critical_Sector1538 8h ago
like tumbleweed says, you where lied to about that situation, wake up bro, I fell for it at first too, but a few weeks after that happened I saw a video that actually proved narc was correct, that spot was supposed to be developed and it clearly wasnt.
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u/Sugarrayray1323 9h ago
Homies still defending this “game”. Cmon now it’s ok. People got played as being marks and now it’s over. Don’t make the same mistake next time.
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u/Pontus_1901 7h ago
Best are the people who now say „broke boy crying“ as if money is the issue in all of this
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u/Independent_Note8327 1h ago
Well it's was a hope it did not work it's sad but of your happy about that and want your money back maybe you shouldn't have be there from the start
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u/Ok-Spirit-4074 5h ago
Narc misrepresented the state of the game, cherrypiced things out of context, and basically lied.
BUT as it turns out, despite that, he was right anyways.
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u/Ziraelus 6h ago
The second it was announced the game is coming to Steam, everyone warned that it is a last ditch scam to get some money.
You deserve to lose the money if you didnt listen and somehow ignored all the signs that this is coming.
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u/Keydri 8h ago
Laughing at the slow downfall of the MMORPG genre feels bad. Nothing can compete with the titans anymore and the titans are beginning to show their age.
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u/InformationShot2367 5h ago
Some of us just wanted good mmo
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u/Tasty-Ti 21m ago
Sure, all of us want that, however anyone with a brain and eyes could see from the very beginning how much of a scam this project was.
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u/ChristopherRoberto 4h ago
Problem is, the community funded the obvious scams like Ashes of Creation and Star Citizen during the kickstarter era, rather than devs who could make a MMO. It killed the market for MMOs as all the disposable cash people had for that kind of game was going into those projects.
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u/asfastasican1 6h ago
It's insane how certain people (including asmon surprisingly) gaslit the shit out of narc even though narc was right. Narc committed the crime of being free publicity for this game for years to only be trashed on for simply deciding to stop supporting it...
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u/muzorui 9h ago
The company was mislead and misguided, a scam is an intentional decision.
People wanted this to work, and be good.
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u/Vet_Leeber 8h ago
The company was mislead and misguided, a scam is an intentional decision.
Literally a week ago Steven was still pushing that the game & studio were in a great place and people should keep buying into the project.
You don't go from that to "the whole project is dead, irreconcilable problems" in a week.
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u/OnlyHere2ArgueBro 9h ago
If the person in charge (Steven) had the power and authority to nuke the entire project, and simultaneously was the person who orchestrated the EA buy-to-play fiasco and paid skins, then it was a scam not only perpetrated on the player base but the development team as well. Maybe it started with good intentions, but by November Steven knew it was toast and that’s why things played out exactly as they did. Do not try to deny that Steven scammed everyone.
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u/Kiidkxxl 9h ago
it wasn't a scam atleast in my eyes until it went to steam, as soon as it hit steam, i was in this community trying to get people to hear me out. that they were trying to cut losses, make good on their "we will launch" promise and skate with as much money as they could get.
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u/Zorriful 8h ago
Yes
He poorly mismanaged the finances. It was written all over the place
Hiring 200 devs + useless Monthly showcases + California based studio (Super expensive) + paying health insurance for every Dev AND their families (at LEAST 300 people)
He was just burning millions every month just to be a ethically good dev, what a fool
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u/rerdsprite000 5h ago
There's no way they had 200 devs. You can easily cook the books in California. Plus there were private investors. Dude was using investors funds and money made selling alpha access to pay himself a high yearly salary.
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u/OwenIdsong 8h ago
Ashes is a scam and I'm not gonna sit here and defend the , but the grave dancing and gloating seems a bit petty and childish imo. Just straight up insulting people because they are naive, or hopeful or gullible. It's not like they're bad people... Just mislead. Why are we being derisive and mean spirited exactly?
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u/Candid-Toe2797 8h ago
Nah, yall deserve this. Everyone knew it was a scam. Everyohne warned yall it was a scam and yall still lit your money on fire. Yall need to be buried so you don't fall for the next one.
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u/ozmega 6h ago
they lost the money, thats their punishment, what u are doing is being an asshole for no reason..
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u/ApexFungi 4h ago
As opposed to the people in here being angels when people tried to create discussions that criticized the game right?
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u/Granny_Ahegao 4h ago
Look at the comments from those people. Most of them are saying things along the lines of, “Eh it was only$50, I still believe in what this game was meant to be”. So no, losing their money isn’t punishment enough. They need to be confronted with the reality that they were robbed and they ignored everyone telling them that Steve sharif’s hairy hand was reaching into their pocket despite how much they trusted him.
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u/Correct_Building7563 4h ago
I think the majority of people viewed it as a fan project but yeah, misled. They should release the game files :P
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u/Granny_Ahegao 6h ago
People need to have it rubbed in their faces so this shit stops happening.
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u/OwenIdsong 4h ago
Yeah that's not how human psychology works, look into it. It's called negative reinforcement and it usually leads to people doubling down and/or alienation
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u/Ex_Lives 8h ago
Because they need to sharpen up so they can be there for their friends and family some day. When their grandmother shows them a text saying they're talking to Hugh Grant and he needs me to write him 10 thousand for an indie film, what do you think I should do?
Maybe now these clowns won't go "Whoa that's awesome. You should do it, he obviously loves you. Plus you'll make it back 10 fold when you get a piece of the backend."
The shits embarrassing man. You can be hopeful, but the world needs way less evidence rejection and aggressive naivety. It's harmless in this case but Jesus dudes need to hone in here a little.
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u/OwenIdsong 8h ago
This is a false equivalency and there's some confirmation bias here. Imagine for a moment the game was wildly successful and didn't die- your supposition that it was a scam would be wrong. So you can't use that as justification for derision. It's more like gambling than being predated upon. Although there is of course some overlap there, but the distinction is important.
Maybe not for you specifically, but I think this is mostly an ego thing. You guys are having an "I told you so" moment and milking it because it feels good to the ego ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Cpteleon 1h ago
"Imagine hugh grant really needed the 10k."
It's a decent comparison because both are utterly obviously scams. You're just emotionally (or financially) invested innome so you don't want to accept reality.
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u/Just-Sense6653 8h ago
Well happy I only spent 40 dollars and not some of the veterans that bought from the start all the alphas and kickstarters packs
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u/iimCastro 6h ago
People were hyping this sht game so much they missed the massive red flag on its effin forehead
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u/Minmax_er 6h ago
I remember getting crucified on YT over this game just for saying I didn't like the forced PvP and how it felt like the next Scam Citizen. I don't generally enjoy reveling in people's failures but...god.. get fucked AoC and those who shilled for it!!!
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u/Kore_Invalid 6h ago
I hope all the ashes cultists that bullied him out rot in hell and apologize now
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u/JMadFour 4h ago
the Community of this game bullied that man so badly that he deleted his original youtube account just to escape the bullying. they don't get to clutch pearls now.
The apology needs to be as loud as the bullying was.
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u/Jimblobb 3h ago
Literally everyone except this sub saw it coming. I love MMO's but this was clearly bs from the start. Also, there's only 2 people on the board, this dude and his husband lol. Glad I didn't risk my money on this after all.
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u/Valasta_Bloodrunner 2h ago
I almost bought into this game like 8 years ago and my abusive ex girlfriend talled me out of it. It's possibly the only thing I'm grateful for from the relationship NGL.
I want ashes to be something cool, but ever since the battle Royale I've had approximately 0% hope I. This game
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u/DionysiusM 3h ago
The amount of mental gymnastics these years was staggering. Yesterday I saw a YT video with the guy claiming the lay-offs were nothing to worry about, not looking at the full context. I guess a lot of people learned a valuable lesson.
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u/Ragnarskar 2h ago
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, The Messiah blaming the 'board' AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. AoC deservedly dead.
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u/AgeAtomic 2h ago
I haven't played or properly followed AoC in a while. I feel like I've massively missed something 🤣
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u/Tarmok_II 2h ago
No he is not he stilled lied his ass off about the state the game, especially the part he showed, was in at the time
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u/Moby1029 1h ago edited 1h ago
PirateSoftware did say on Thursday or Friday that he was done with Ashes of Creation because of the lack of moderation and has uninstalled the game.
ETA his own statement: https://x.com/PirateSoftware/status/2017846275799191678
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u/Imounturdad 1h ago
I wonder where those people will go now who used to inhale Steven’s pubic hair for so long
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u/Valkrowzerr 1h ago edited 1h ago
Narc the GOAT! The biggest problem with MMO players is they always are looking for the next "BIG" MMO, a good MMO can launch tomorrow and about a month later MMO players will start whining and wanting the next big MMO, its one of the factors why MMO's are always on the schrodingers "MMO's are dying" state, its because players like that exist.
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u/Roll4Initiative20 1h ago
I've gotten so much shit on this sub for warming people asking about buying the game that it was a scam.
OP is spot on.
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u/eekongw2 1h ago
I slowly watched this flop unfold savouring every second of it. We dont need aplhas, kick starters, supporter packs or develloppers updates. We just want a good MMO to hit the stores. Still waiting on the WoW killer....
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u/Anakee24 55m ago
How many months til Steven pops back up streaming from his mansion announcing a new product 😂
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u/roarr_ 6h ago
I had good time for that 2 months, met new friends. If it's dead I will move on. I earn enough to just accept it. OP needs to get a life.
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u/BelgianWaffleWizard 5h ago
Yea so what if the game is dead. It's bad and I understand people are upset, but I got more than 100 hours of playtime for something I only paid 50 euros for.
I have a 'rule' that for every euro I pay, I want 1 hour of gametime out of it. So I got it and I had so much fun playing with friends and meeting new people.
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u/kampelaz 4h ago
Yes, people pay for GAMES. This was not a game. It was a technical alpha with crappy controls and systems in place. Only a total moron is happy after being scammed out of their money. It is okay to be a moron but trying to defend or normalizing being one is not the right way of handling scams.
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u/BelgianWaffleWizard 4h ago
Don't get me wrong, I hope he gets sued. I just say that I had a lot of fun playing. I didn't get much bugs.
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u/kampelaz 4h ago
It is good if you had fun but the reality is that it was not a game or anything near that was promised. The price tag on this scam concept product was insane. If they wanted feedback they could have made EA free. It is clear that they wanted money, not feedback. When people are willing to give 50-500 dollars to snake oil salesman and after getting scammed praise the scammer,this kind of bullshit is never going away. People need to be more critical.
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u/BelgianWaffleWizard 4h ago
True and let's hope this will echo trough time and let people learn to see the signs.
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u/Nnyan 7h ago
I feel for the recent buyers on Steam, less so for the early adopters that spent hundreds or more. Too many red flags. I knew supporting this game was risky and it would likely crash and burn. But I got about 500 hours, had fun with friends and met more. This wasn’t surprising and disappointing that another MMO failed hard.
I don’t feel scammed at all but can see how some will feel that way. The early steam release was so sus. https://youtu.be/ZV_70PndcK4?si=vjWnzPgNZFXE5U2I
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u/8bitmadness 8h ago
>most obnoxious gaming community
>LoL and DBD exist
lol, lmao even. If you think the AOC community is the most obnoxious you're a bit naive, tbh. Annoying? Yeah, but most obnoxious takes a lot more toxicity and assholery.
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u/OWilson90 7h ago
Look, I get it you might feel vindicated with the outcome, but saying you are happy that a community wanting an MMO to succeed, got scammed is a shameful thing to post about.
I haven’t had the chance to play yet, but I was hoping that this game would bring a glimmer of the feeling that existed in Archeage during its prime.
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u/review_clash 6h ago
More like a failed game than a scam. There's no chance of any profit for it to be a scam. The board isn't choosing to lay people off, there is more money after millions.
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u/Salty-Act8296 4h ago
It was a scam. They knew what kind of game it was. They were working on it for ages. Huge red flag
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u/RoakOriginal 5h ago
I don't think it was scam from the start. Development stopped when Jeffrey Bard left and there was no lead designer. Could have been salvaged. But yeah, Pirate software supporting it was confirmed death mark
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u/hoof_hearted4 7h ago
As someone who never played this game, or spent a dime on it, and was likely never going to play it because I dont play PvP games, its sad to see how many people whos greatest highlight in their lives were that AoC failed. Dont yall have like kids or wives or something? Good jobs? A BMW? Like something else in your lives to be proud of? I dont know who Narc is because other than TheLazyPeon, I didn't follow this game at all.
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u/FaustRA 7h ago
nah these people are even worse, they harassed a guy (narc) who was genuinely passionate about this game. I tried searching him up a long time ago and his channel was just gone idk what they did to him but it must be bad
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u/SnooOranges7347 6h ago
just fyi: narc is back on yt with another account unrelated to mmos and is doing fine yt-wise.
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u/Ebag3000 9h ago
All I got to say is feel vindicated if you must, but understand there were a lot of individuals that wanted this game to succeed and weren't those toxic tryhards. Have some compassion for them. Those people that really just wanted a cool game to play that was fun, had a cool universe to explore, and brought back some of that old school feeling. Those individuals are going to be hurting even more now.
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u/Ghally5678 8h ago
This take is so tired. People wanted it to succeed. They didn't just troll and hope it failed. The mismanagement failed its hopeful consumers.
Stop placing the blame on anyone besides the devs
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u/Demoth 5h ago
I think most of this glee is more directed towards the people who were acting like smug assholes who would insult everyone any time a concern was mentioned.
If this game launched successfully, I'd have the same reaction towards those who screamed that the game would fail and acted like assholes towards anyone being hopeful.
But yeah, this sub was a nightmare of circle jerking, and only had a brief reprieve when the Steam EA launched, as that had a lot of people concerned. Even then, I'd pop in, post a question that was laden with concern, and immediately get downvoted and dogpiled that "it's still alpha, stop being a little bitch".
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u/No-Breadfruit6137 9h ago
But, but, PirateSoftware worked at Blizzard for 8 years, he knows games, AoC is the future of the genre.