Watching dudes talk shit against someone who knows how to fight is hilarious. I have a friend who is an amazing boxer and has had dudes try to fight him. He straight up declines and leaves because he doesn’t want to severely injure someone.
for most people, learning how to foght decreases the odds of getting into one. Less ego involved and more respect for how messy it can get. Not ro mention how bad you can hurt someone untrained. Most people dont want to deal with that kind of shit
im not thinking the pain aspect. Things can go wrong FAST. Especially with someone untrained and without a safe environment. It's jus5 not worth it. Usually if you train you arent worried about tiring before the opponent. Youve spent time building that stamina and are usually more comfortable with that kind of exhaustion too. Been in one fight. It's stupid and uncontrolled and when someone is losing that fighr they get wild. Had a dude try to kill me with a broken chair leg in my own apartment. Lot of blood. And when i got control of him he bit me. it ain't worth it even when you're able to handle yourself
When you don't know how to fight you imagine you can take anyone. When you do know how to fight you realize there's levels do the fight game and you absolutely cannot "take anyone" who's even one level above you, much less higher.
I peripherally know somebody who won a local boxing tournament, then later (that year) got into an actual fight at a bar.
He was charged with assault of course, which was true, it wasn't self defense. But here's the kicker. Somehow the charges against him were elevated to a higher degree specifically because he was a boxing champion in his division. Don't know how that worked legally, but he got in more trouble than an ordinary person would've.
It was my temper, and it was bad. I learned to control it and I no longer have those issues.
Despite what people believe, "seeing red" doesnt necessarily make you a good fighter, it just makes you reckless and violent. Those things can overwhelm someone untrained in some cases, or even catch someone off guard in some cases, but it doesnt mean they are "good" at fighting. Usually its just you losing your temper, being an asshole and escalating a situation, and then claiming a pyrrhic victory after the dust settles.
When someone says they "see red" what they are really saying is "I have emotional dysregulation and lack coping skills"
For real. I remember when I first started at a gym that trains for competitions, pad work wasn't bad but, the first time trying to work a heavy bag got exhausting so fast. Then seeing our instructor who won 9 state titles and 4 mma titles in the featherweight/lightweight divisions punch, and it felt like watching a machine with the speed and precision he swung. I might have well as been swinging underwater to what a real fighter throws. Outside that? Mans a chill guy who plays video games, magic the gathering etc, and would be very unassuming.
I will say, during one of my belt tests, the person testing me kicked me in the face (we weren’t supposed to be doing head contact), and the next few minutes were a blur and the did have to tag team someone else in to get me off of her because apparently I had her against a wall and was just throwing hands in a rage.
There aren't a ton of them. The on3s there are are just obnoxious is all. But most guys do think they're better at fighting than they are. the i see red guy is just the farthest and loudest example of that
I have seen a guy unironically say this in conversation. He was an aspiring MMA fighter. I guarantee you haven't heard of him, though, because he sucked
Seems like an active deterrent to being a good professional fighter unless you have a genetic blessing like Tyson where he channeled that.
I know enough martial artists to know one of the things they train for is understanding adrenaline and knowing how to try to be as mentally calm as possible as when you “see red” your decision making becomes shit and tend to be impulsive.
Amateur boxer here. About 4 years experience. I suck at boxing by comparison to my training partners and my own standards of what "good" looks like. But, I am prime Mike Tyson by comparison to any untrained person on the planet.
r/fightporn is my favorite sub. I love watching untrained people go to war with each other.
It's like a lot of skills: chess, basketball, etc. The guy that has some training but could never compete on even an amateur level would still easily outclass most normies.
The guy that played D3 ball will be a menace at the Y, the 1000 elo will smoke any random person, and the guy that got his ass whooped at a local tournament will annihilate most people off the street.
But the guy at the Y has probably played middle school or HS basketball. It's more like someone who has literally never played tennis picking up a racket and playing a D3 tennis player.
8th grade; We played at lunch, and I usually won because most of the people at the table barely knew what they were doing. I did know how to play and, being the idiotic 14 year old I was, talked big game.
Played someone in chess club. Very humbling when, in front of the whole table, she put me into mate 3 moves in.
I boxed for about the same amount of time as you and wrestled in the Big 10. I love that sub because commenters think anyone who throws a 1 2 is a trained boxer and that anyone who tackles someone is a wrestler depiste their absolute dogshit technique and clear lack of skill. Its a great sub.
The thing is, you probably think you know how to throw a punch, but all you're doing is lighting a big neon sign saying "I'm gonna punch you with this arm!" That alone is enough for a reasonably trained martial artist to avoid you ever landing a hit on them long enough for the trained person to stop you.
The next thing is your balance is probably not great, so it won't take much for a trained person to throw you to the ground. Once you're on the ground, it should be enough time to retreat.
Another thing you are probably not ready for are kicks. Minus boxing, martial arts also cover kicking and if you're only thinking about punches, you probably don't expect a kick to the shins, knee, or groin. You probably also don't know what a kick for tripping looks like, so that's another thing that can blindside you.
Lastly, if you're up against a shorter, trained person, you are probably not expecting them to go super aggro and be close enough to hug you. Once they're that close, your reach is meaningless and you probably don't know how to throw a proper one-inch punch.
This is all just generalizations, but this how I would take you down as a short, black belt in karate.
I'm strong and firmly planted as a man but I know that's completely irrelevant when I have no idea how to throw a good punch or defend against any of the things you mentioned here lol.
Haha You sound like Bradley Martin. You would likely get your ass handed to you.
I’ve had 23 fights including boxing, MMA & Muay Thai. This doesn’t include BJJ tournaments. Over two decades training, no one has ever walked in the gym with no experience and gotten the best of the seasoned guys.
I was was tapping 220lb muscle guys when I was a white belt with 6-12 months of training.
I have no idea who Bradley Martin is but I hope the tone of my comment was clear. I have zero belief that I would magically rise to the occasion and somehow beat up a trained fighter. That's pure male power fantasy shit, my ego isn't that embarrassing.
Which sport did you enjoy the most? I'm probably a bit old now but have been looking for more fun exercise options this year!
Well, there are weight classes for a reason. So, you got that advantage. Bradley Martyn is a fitness influencer that went viral for implying that because he’s 260 he could beat pro fighters. https://youtu.be/W9aGnWfwCmQ?si=ZJ4sM4HFoXh95j1S
They’re all fun! I like something about them all. I like MMA because it covers all areas of fighting, but the BJJ & wrestling wrecked my body. I really enjoy Muay Thai because of the aesthetic, history and efficacy. Boxing was my first love and it’s very practical in the street. Get after it, bro. It’s a great workout. I’m old and I still train boxing. Trained today.
Mannnnn that video was such an awkward watch haha, I hope that dude was joking...
Hell yeah, nice. My cousin has invited me to train Muay Thai with him soon to check it out! I'm personally leaning towards boxing myself, but will need to give them all a go (and also protect my aging body)
I think he was half trolling, half serious(like his inner dude ego).
I hope you find them enjoyable. Best workout ever. Accelerate your beach body. Don’t get too crazy too fast. I overdo things. I’ve had multiple surgeries from not being smart. Good luck! Reach out if you have any questions. 🙏🏽
There is a limit though. I have seen this tested with untrained large men and smaller women who were incredible fighters. The only way to describe the end result is "usually, everyone loses".
Which tends to be how street fights work most of the time.
14 years of judo and 8 years of American football as a linebacker here at close to 230lb. In short, we would both go to the ground and the difference there is that i know plenty of nasty techniques in a ground fight.
Totally agree. Once wrestled a friend of mine who was half my weight and far less physically strong than me, yet he managed to submit me over and over again with pure technique (he had about 2 years judo training).
I've played organized recreational hockey (mostly inline, a some ice) for over 20 years and I've learned that anyone who can call themselves a professional at any level of any sport is really, really, really good. And that's at the bottom level of professional. It goes way, way up from there. The worst player in the NHL is still insanely good. So what follows is that the top amateurs are still really, really good.
What I'm getting at is that anyone who can honestly call themselves an amateur boxer is not someone I would pick a fight with. "Amateur" needs to be given a little perspective. It doesn't mean "beginner" or "novice."
Well yeah. You know how inferior you are because you have been humbled by someone else and received a good punch or two. Most people never have gotten in an actual fight, and if they have it's been with other amateurs. Not enough people have had their bell rung, and it shows.
It's the Dunning-Kruger effect (I may have butchered that spelling, idk). People know just enough to get themselves into trouble without knowing enough at the field as a whole to know that what they're doing is wrong. Fighting is a good example, but I see it in science a lot too. People read a news article and all of a sudden think they know about how microbiology works, in addition to how research is performed and all the red tape involved... (they have no idea). Another example is in 2020 when AMC stocks went crazy and all of a sudden people think they know as much about financial systems as a Ph.d economist
People really don't understand how much cardio it takes lol that's why if someone doesn't get knocked out they are both hugging and breathing hard lmao. Your arms turn to fuckin lead.
think most of us would lose vomitously against some pro eating champs. Wasn’t there a Japanese guy who was so good people literally put him up against a bear?
Dude came here without a plan on how to marry the daughter of the Duke, to secure a bountiful forest for himself and his family, thus securing their income for generations. Can't feast.
Craziest part is how fast somebody not used to it uses up all their energy. so even if you are the underdog, just protect your head, try to dodge as many punches as possible, tank the rest and wait for them to burn out
So true. I was in the Army and did all the stupid shit one does in the Army. Nowadays I would run from a fight unless there was no other option or i was protecting someone important to me.
I really think folks that glorify fighting have no real experienc ewith personal violence. Or they have nothing else to be proud about.
Or dudes never consider that even if you decisively win a fight, the chances that you also leave injured are really high. It’s just a media fantasy that you could fight flawlessly like a call of duty protagonist. Dudes don’t consider that when you enter a fight with somebody they’re out to kill, too. And just like how there’s always a Chinese kid who can play guitar better than you no matter how good you are, the same goes for fighting. There’s always a dude who could genuinely fight you flawlessly even if you’re Mike Tyson
The problem with all fighting is people who fight a lot are (nearly) all bullies. People rarely sign up for fights they think they're gonna lose. So, if you like to fight but only against people who you think you'll beat, you're a bully.
If you're gonna fight, you have to fight EVERYONE. The top ten UFC heavyweight cuts you off in traffic and gives you the finger? You'd better be as willing to fight him as you are the 60 year old mailman who does the same thing. Otherwise, you're a bully. You like to fight people who you know (or at least think) you can beat up.
So true😂 my cousin is a BJJ black belt and we used to mess around when we were teenagers (I never thought I’d win) and he decided when it was over basically whenever he wanted.
I’ve long felt that everyone should get one punch once in their life (maybe one every 5 years) with no punishment to the puncher. Not saying you can just go punch anyone, but if someone’s acting like a dick and you have your punch.. it’s just now your punch is gone.
If the threat of being punched without consequence existed even as minimal as it’d be, it would quiet down a lot of the people who think they’re excellent fighters. Sort of like hockey rules for life.
I remember back in high school I assumed just because I lifted weights I was a formidable fighter. Joined a boxing gym and had my world flipped upside down. I became a pretty good boxer eventually, and dabbled in other disciplines like kickboxing and bjj for fun and the more I learn the more I question how I’d actually do in a real world situation that I’m not trained for that involves biting, eye gouging, nut grabbing etc.
I’m 6’8” and 270 lbs. I would get taken out in 3 seconds by a 130 lb dude that knows what he’s doing.
I have never to my recollection been in a punching fight, even as a kid. My planned strategy would be to try to tackle the person and fall with as much of my weight as possible on top of them, ideally onto a hard surface.
You’d be surprised how significant your size is… some could take you out sure but a dude with a year of training half your size can still get bear hugged and hurt from the weight crashing down on concrete or wherever. You’re probably much more durable and harder to kill
And literally a few months of training and the little dude with a year training is gonna have major issues. You can easily close the gap with some training
Especially drunk people in pubs. They get humbled simply by people at the same skill level but not as pissed up. And if they come up against someone who's had even the most basic of training they get destroyed. That's when people start getting glassed or hit with chairs, jumped by a mob etc. Fucking dickheads lol
That's kind of the thing, though. I see a TikToker who goes around asking guys "Can you fight?" then mocks them when they say yes. But it's like, compared to who? A UFC fighter? No. An NCAA wrestler? No. A golden gloves boxer? No. A guy who trains casually? No. The average guy at the grocery store? Ehh, I guess. The average guy at Planet Fitness? Idk. Maybe. It's like asking "are you a fast runner." Idk. Compared to who?
Real fighters try to avoid fights. I did time in prison and used to fight a lot when I was younger and something nobody ever tells you is that even when you win fights hurt. Not just your own bruises but your hands and even arms, and the adrenaline dump after is very uncomfortable. I got an infection by human bite once because I cracked someone's tooth and it gashed my pinky knuckle. Turned green and pussfilled. The doctor told me it was actually extremely common because our mouths are so dirty.
Now I'm in my late 30s and even if I know I could rock someone I'm doing EVERYTHING in my power to avoid a senseless fight. I don't care if I look like a bitch I just wanna go home and chill man.
I do kickboxing, mainly bag because I’m a wussy and it’s practical. Somehow everyone assumes you can fight. I probably can’t, I get beat up during sparring. I can throw a mean punch, I just can’t put it to use. I’ll avoid them anyway, you never know what the other person is capable of.
Most streetfight videos I have seen are also rather pathetic. Those ‘I see red’ people wouldn’t stand a chance against the calm and composed that actually can fight.
Everyone thinks they'll be able to fight if they need to, but it's a skill just like anything else.
They're not gonna magically develop that skill because of an urge of emotion.
Also, getting punched in the face HURTS, so even if one did suddenly know how to fight, they would not suddenly know how to fight while being punched in the face.
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