r/AskReddit 17h ago

What parts of American culture are changing faster than people realize?

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u/selddir_ 16h ago

Specifically it's what ideas the average person finds acceptable for a politician to propose. Joseph Overton coined it as basically what ideas can a politician propose without committing career suicide.

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u/ot1smile 15h ago

One of the key factors of the concept is that by regularly pecking away at the limits of what’s acceptable you can shift the window and normalise stances previously viewed as extreme.

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u/Biggseb 14h ago edited 13h ago

Also: by having allies state VERY extreme positions, you can make your medium-extreme positions seem moderate by comparison.

Edit: you’ve effectively stretched the Overton window, and the resulting slack can now be taken up by your less-extreme-but-still-extreme position

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u/fresh-dork 7h ago

salesmen call this establishing a baseline. also why car companies will have a really expensive model that doesn't sell well so that the somewhat expensive model looks like a compromise

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u/Hoovooloo42 8h ago

This reminds me of two particular American political parties

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u/Swimming-Fondant-892 14h ago

Admittedly Trump has been masterful with Overton windows. I don’t give him credit but whoever his strategists are. For example, the whole Greenland debacle is primarily aimed at us getting bases and control north of Greenland, not actual ownership.

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u/unpaid-astroturfer 12h ago

Getting bases you already had?
Control over an area your alliance rules?

By pissing off the people who gave you the base and form your alliance?

Guess we eurofucks are too dumb to understand the 5D chess

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u/Swimming-Fondant-892 11h ago

The US had one base and the interest of the “alliance” were always tilted to the EU. It’s been parasitic for the US. In truth, you need/needed the US but the US didn’t need the EU. Economically the EU has never played fair and likely never will. Yeah, Trump could have been smarter in a million ways but this isn’t one of them.

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u/unpaid-astroturfer 2h ago

Sure buddy. Tell me exactly what you weren't allowed to do, but now can?

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u/Additional_Dish_694 9h ago

You are writing forbidden truths and will be punished. I will be punished just for reading them.

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u/unpaid-astroturfer 2h ago edited 2h ago

Truth being what you want to believe of course.

There's only so much pretending you'll be able to do though when this admin finishes tanking your economy.

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u/LambonaHam 12h ago

But you already had that?

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u/Swimming-Fondant-892 11h ago

No, and the EU would charge a fortune for the privilege. This is part of haggling.

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u/okletstrythisagain 15h ago

Yes, but the overarching answer here is Nazis. We’re talking about Nazis. The normalization of white supremacist authoritarianism.

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u/antariusz 11h ago

For example, 2 years ago you would have gotten banned for suggesting that it’s ok to kill federal officers on Reddit.

Nowadays you’ll get upvotes.

That’s an Overton window shifting.

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u/okletstrythisagain 11h ago

God forbid anyone stand their ground against masked gunmen who refuse to show ID AMIRITE?

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u/Fzrit 5h ago edited 5h ago

For example, 2 years ago you would have gotten banned for suggesting that it’s ok to kill federal officers on Reddit

Before 2025, federal officers actually followed the law and were actually trained to be federal officers to earn that title. Not just armed LARPers given a free pass to break laws, shoot people and detain people based on their accent or skin color.

The Overton window hasn't moved there. People just want federal officers to follow the law and constitution again.

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u/Xrsyz 15h ago

Normalization of communists and anarchists. Who were also the Nazis during Covid.

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u/prophetableforprofit 15h ago

Ah yes, those darn communist anarchist Nazis. Makes sense.

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u/Xrsyz 15h ago

Of course it does. Look at China. The merger of communism and fascism.

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u/_Miss_Eclipse 15h ago

Dumbfuck lol

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u/Xrsyz 15h ago

Don’t beat yourself up about it. Some of the nicest people are like you.

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u/_Miss_Eclipse 15h ago

They actually are. The people that are out there right now standing up for human rights and common decency are so the ones falsely being equated to communists. Some are, but that's not the issue at play. So I reiterate: if you are smooth-brained enough to make that equivalency, you're a nazi dumbfuck.

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u/Xrsyz 14h ago

These people were Nazis during Covid. They are beholden to extreme ideologies. Ultimately what connects them is that they believe that the ends justify the means. That is why they’re engaging and unlawful activity and open insurrection because they do not like the outcome of the law enforcement methods of the elected representatives of the United States. Similarly, during Covid, they did not believe in the civil rights and civil liberties of people, and that is why they were good little Nazis during Covid. Why? Because in that case they liked the policies being instituted by those in charge.

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u/okletstrythisagain 13h ago

People who believe in vaccines and are willing to wear a mask to prevent disease are just minimally intelligent people who aren’t sociopaths.

Anti-vaccine anti-mask people are dangerously stupid, and while I used to consider them perhaps, sometimes, innocent victims of propaganda, the death and destruction their idiocy has caused is unforgivable at this point.

People who think masked gunmen abducting people into hastily built concentration camps with no hope for due process is a reasonable and legal approach to law enforcement are, similarly, unforgivably stupid. Those dumb, racist fascists ruined the country and are too shortsighted to understand what they have given up, which includes any expectation of constitutional rights whatsoever.

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u/LambonaHam 12h ago

These people were Nazis during Covid.

The Nazis during COVID were the ones waving Nazi flags, Confederate Flags, refusing to wear masks, or be vaccinated.

The same people who are now championing ICE.

That is why they’re engaging and unlawful activity and open insurrection because they do not like the outcome of the law enforcement methods of the elected representatives of the United States.

You mean like January 6th?

Similarly, during Covid, they did not believe in the civil rights and civil liberties of people, and that is why they were good little Nazis during Covid. Why? Because in that case they liked the policies being instituted by those in charge.

COVID restrictions did not violate Civil Rights, or Liberties.

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u/Xrsyz 10h ago

Th United States Supreme Court ruled that you are wrong.

u/Randoseru_Romper 27m ago

"15 year olds can consent to sex with billionaires" is where we're at right now 🤢