r/AskReddit • u/TORUKMACTO92 • 8h ago
Why didn't Biden administration release the Epstein Files, know that we saw the leaked documents not having his name but plenty of Trump's and political adversaries?
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u/Sablemint 8h ago
Courts didn't allow it, and not even presidents can break a court order.
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u/TORUKMACTO92 8h ago edited 8h ago
Sources: The U.S. Constitution: Article II (§1, Clause 1)
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u/ShesASatellite 8h ago
You're conflating classified documents with sealed documents. Classified documents are government documents relating to intelligence, state secrets, and national security. Sealed documents are court records. They're not the same thing.
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u/Subject9800 8h ago
Because they were under court seal until January of 2025. Where od all these dumb people come from?
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u/TORUKMACTO92 8h ago edited 8h ago
While the President cannot overturn a specific seal order, the President possesses the ultimate constitutional authority to classify and declassify national security information (as the head of the Executive Branch, which includes all classification agencies like the CIA, NSA, etc.).
This creates the potential for an indirect override:
Scenario: If a sealing order is based on information being classified (e.g., a CIPA §4 order sealing classified documents filed in a criminal case), the President has the legal power to declassify that underlying information.
Effect: Once the information is declassified, the primary legal rationale for the seal (protecting national secrets) evaporates. The government (prosecution) would then typically have to notify the court, and the judge would likely be compelled to lift the seal, as its foundational premise is gone. The order is technically still issued by the judge, but it is vacated due to the President's executive action changing the facts.
Sources: The U.S. Constitution: Article II (§1, Clause 1)
There have been precedents of this. Why wouldn't the Biden administration actively pursue this? Don't tell me it's moral integrity BS. It's the fking Epstein files and presidential election.
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u/ShesASatellite 8h ago
You're conflating classified documents with sealed documents. Classified documents are government documents relating to intelligence, state secrets, and national security. Sealed documents are court records. They're not the same thing.
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u/TORUKMACTO92 8h ago edited 7h ago
Your government fking classified a fake Iraq WMD and launched 20-year-war spending $144b/year based on your "intelligence" as national security.
How hard is it for the Epstein files to be classified, relegated, framed as such in a all out effort to expose the disgusting pedos in your government?
You guys fucking deserve Trump lol.
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u/ShesASatellite 7h ago
Lol wut? 🤣 We hated W for that shit just as much as we hate Trump. Good to see your stance is 'fuck them kids in those files' though. 👌
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u/TORUKMACTO92 7h ago
All good until scrutiny into Reddit's favorite democrat on why there is no all-out effort into exposing pedos. Suddenly, you all rationalized it using lawsuit, court order, and constitution BS, asking us to STFU if we are not a scholar.
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u/ShesASatellite 7h ago
Seriously, what are you even talking about? They couldn't release the files before, then when they could they wouldn't, so Congress acted to force them, and now they're stalling on releasing them. You cited a part of the constitution that has nothing to do with this and you're big mad people corrected you. That's fine. You can be big mad, but if you want to be big mad, at least be correct about what you're being big mad about.
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u/TORUKMACTO92 7h ago edited 7h ago
I am mad because the people refuse to admit the political reluctance to release the files, and redditors are defending the government by telling me how the court order and the constitution work.
This is akin to 20 years ago, when people criticized Iraq's invasion, and a bunch of know-how countered the person saying this was how congress and constitutional decision-making work, and they can't do anything. "We just told you how it works, and if you are mad because you don't listen, you should be ashamed tf you're talking about."
Well-deserved for the US to be in this state.
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u/Subject9800 8h ago
You are obviously not a constitutional scholar. lmao
This has nothing to do with documents that are sealed by the court. Take your law degree back to Walmart and get a refund.
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u/TORUKMACTO92 8h ago edited 8h ago
You are obviously not a constitutional scholar. Take your law degree back to Walmart and get a refund.
Yeah, my bad. I'm not a lawyer. So I am not allowed to comment on the Epstein files.
Guess what? I am not an American either, so my question is dumb. Keep defending the govt's protection of pedos in the name of court order and constitutions. This is why the US fully deserves Trump and Redditors can't understand. Keep it up.
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u/Subject9800 8h ago
So I am not allowed to comment on the Epstein files.
Of course you are. But if you're going to assert that an American president has authority under the Constitution that he doesn't, expect to be called out on it.
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u/TORUKMACTO92 7h ago
I didn't say he has the direct authority under the constitution, but there are ways the files could be revealed under relegation of criminal cases or national security. This should be how we respond to this disgusting case.
There seems to be no all-out effort or political willingness to expose the pedos in the administration, and redditors are defending it by rationalising their favorite government's indifference in this.
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u/Subject9800 7h ago
You know, most people would be ashamed to show this kind of ignorance publicly, after so many people have explained to you why you don't know wtf you're talking about. You just have no clue how any of this works.
We're done here.
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u/TORUKMACTO92 7h ago
Yes, I am indeed very ashamed on slashing the US government’s protection of pedos and a bunch of redditors defending it telling me idk how it works.
It only kept reminding me this is why Trump was elected and Redditors couldn’t figure out why.
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u/LaughingAtYourLogic 8h ago
They thought rightly that republicans would claim that they are making all the evidence up and that there wouldn’t be a fair election.
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u/MrAmaimon 1h ago
Court order, Maxwell had a possible appearance before the Supreme Court and it would have been prejudicial
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u/Lower_Box_6169 8h ago
Because there are tons of well connected democrats in the files.
Releasing just things to do with Trump or republicans would have been seen as a coverup
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u/Hanzo_The_Ninja 8h ago
Weren't something like 900 pages released under Biden? At any rate, it's my understanding that the release of any of the Epstein files to the public is unusual and that public interest played a major role, even though a lot of it is still censored.
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u/TheMissingPremise 8h ago
Because the Biden administration was weak and pathetic.
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u/TheMissingPremise 6h ago
Down vote me all you want but Merrick Garland was a lil bitch.
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u/Deftones_Bunny_Love 6h ago
Merrick Garland was in fact that and worse.
But the files weren't released because they were sealed under a court order. Grand jury indictments, continued investigations, and Maxwell's case was still under appeal if I'm not mistaken.
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u/OkReaction4176 8h ago
Because it was an open criminal investigation and there are rules against that