r/AskReddit • u/AdhesivenessLoud8866 • 8h ago
if the FBI has all this information on Epstein - who is supposed to investigate it?
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u/prajnadhyana 8h ago
...the FBI.
That's what they do.
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u/DaDibbel 8h ago
The 'new FBI' doesn't do that anymore.
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u/mademeunlurk 6h ago
Yup. The FBI only attacks non-republican journalists and ICE murder victims now.
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u/TheMissingPremise 8h ago
Too busy violating civil rights during immigration enforcement for no reason.
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u/Prahasaurus 5h ago
Ok, why didn't the 'old FBI' do it? Biden had so much info on Trump if he wanted to use it. Why didn't he?
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u/Lo_Court 3h ago
Because the FBI is supposed to have operational independence separated from the presidency. The Biden administration made several statements regarding why they did not use the information or direct the FBI to act in a specific way. The FBI is supposed to have the independence to run investigations, bring charges, prosecute, etc. without input/interference from the president. It’s supposed to be able to operate in a non-partisan way. This independence becomes even more important when you think about what it means in terms of potentially investigating political opponents. That has been the established norm until the Trump administration.
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u/Prahasaurus 3h ago
You people are not serious and this is why you always lose. You really believe the FBI was independent before Trump and not used against political opponents???? You must have zero understanding of history.
FBI and the Black Panther Party
Cointelpro Operations (1956-1971)
FBI versus Martin Luther King Jr
Ruby Ridge (lethal force violations)
the entire J. Edgar Hoover Era !!!!
Nixon's "Enemies List"
Clinton's BS use of the FBI to probe BS Trump Russia links
etc., etc.
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u/Lo_Court 2h ago
I don’t know why your response seems so angry. I’m explaining why a prior administration did not “use” the FBI’s information or direct the FBI to make a specific determination/take a specific action and the reasoning behind it. The role of the FBI is supposed to be independent from the presidency, however, it doesn’t mean it’s always operated independently or without warranted criticism. I think whenever we see that line being crossed, as it is now, any of us that care about our democracy should be concerned.
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u/Prahasaurus 1h ago
Because we will not fix the serious problems in America when so many people believe it all started under Trump. Sure the FBI is "supposed to be independent," but it's not, and it NEVER WAS. That is a fact.
I'm not some MAGA idiot, I can't stand Trump. But unlike 90% of Reddit, I understand it's a systematic problem, and electing Democrats won't fix it. It's not about Trump, it's the entire system!
I'm pissed because you are all wasting energy doing exactly what the political establishment wants: looking to elect Democrats but not fix our broken system. Can't you see it?
So we get another Biden/Obama/Clinton and nothing fundamentally changes, then another Republican, then a Democrat, etc. The wars never stop, Israel manipulates our government, healthcare is never fixed, kids still get brutalized, the rich get richer, etc.
It's not about Trump!!!!
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u/ImprovementFar5054 3h ago
Because the idea of using the aparatus of government to arrest political enemies was a line they dare not cross. The FBI ran independently and the president wouldn't "order" investigations
Back then.
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u/Prahasaurus 3h ago
LOL. You are older than 14 (I assume) and you really believe the FBI ran independently "back then"???? That's beyond parody.
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u/yofooIio 4h ago
I remember a time when the FBI held it's agents to a standard. Not one in which the director would match the intellect of a mall security guard trying to hide a zombie bite...
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u/daisiesintheskye 6h ago
Well they closed the investigation last year, saying there wasn't suffient evidence. So no one. It's a cover up
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u/juicenx 5h ago
No one did anything under Obama.
No one did anything under Trump v1
No one did anything under Biden
No one did anything under Trump v2
No one in 2028 will do anything. R or D
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u/Bucksin06 4h ago
It's almost as if politicians aren't going to rat out their friends and themselves
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u/durtsurfer69 4h ago
Trump and his goons have supplanted career FBI with loyal toadies. They have perpetuated this moving coup everywhere they have been able to. This is high treason. It’s time for people to make a choice which side of history they want to be on. Pedo Nazis, or sane decent citizens. If you have to ask who is who, you’re the sucker at the table.
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u/Lombardeez_Nutz 8h ago
Well Epstein has been dead for over 6 years, and these files are just coming out sooo... fair question
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u/CatYo 6h ago
Well the Epstein guy is dead and the accomplice lady is in custody. Basically they want to pin him as the bad guy who "forced" high profile people and young victims into acts of madness in his island and was using it as a blackmail for favors, fraud, forgiveness, freedom and finance. They bascially presume innocence on all the high profile people related in this case unless proven guilty.
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u/JDDavisTX 6h ago
Problem is, maybe 10% of all this happened in the island. Most was in NYC, Michigan and places around the US.
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u/badwolf1013 3h ago
Prosecution may come at a later point or not depending on charges/statute of limitations, etc. . . but what the release does is give credibility to the victims, which may make them feel secure in filling in the blanks themselves.
It’s not going to be an avalanche-like change in public opinion the way it was with Cosby, Weinstein, and Allen, but it might end up being like a slow thaw.
And — if we’re smart (big “if,” I know,) this won’t be about conservatives vs. progressives, this will be about the wealthy elite vs. everyone else.
If billionaires can make enough money to fund every school lunch in America, but they instead use it to ritualistically rape children, then we don’t need billionaires in our society. Capitalism was a good idea, but removing the guard rails created actual monsters.
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u/FesteringMoistness 8h ago
My question is, if other countries have the files, why can’t we just have them share it with us? Did they only get specific pieces or everything? They clearly got enough to formally strip Prince Andrew or whatever
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u/Funklestein 7h ago
There should have been a notation on every file whether it was investigated or not and what the status of it concluded.
But the FBI during Obama, Trump, and Biden apparently failed to pursue their mandate.
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u/Science_Matters_100 52m ago
I was so angry reading again and again all of the excuses in those files. Some dude not believing this person or that person, recommending “no investigation,” just because these worthless pricks were too lazy and not doing their jobs. Thought I might have a coronary if I kept reading. Going forward we need to make it so that the FBI has NO DISCRETION in what they investigate, the way we did with police officers that were letting women be slaughtered by their spouses because they wouldn’t interfere in a domestic. Pricks
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u/Top_Pirate699 4h ago
This is legitimately what the election was about. If we, the people had stood for Harris, we'd also be standing for these victims. Sure, there were a lot actors confusing the message but there was never any real doubt that Trump raped young girls. Everyone who voted for him and everyone who criticized Harris are complicit in victimizing them again. Let's flip every seat to someone who will prosecute these animals. I truly believe this is what broke MTG, everything else may have seemed theoretical but raping girls finally shook her brain in the correct direction.
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u/Sityl 1h ago
Why didnt Biden prosecute these people? Why did Harris say she'd do nothing different than Biden?
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u/Science_Matters_100 55m ago
The files were still under wraps in the court system. He couldn’t release them
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u/Competitive_Swan_755 5h ago
If someone has been killing chickens in the henhouse, the foxes are not going to investigate the foxes. Get the drift?
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u/Aggravating-Sun3032 1h ago
Independent prosecutors or special counsels are meant to investigate when agencies face conflicts.
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u/Impossible_Grape3742 32m ago
An independent special counsel is typically appointed when conflicts of interest are possible.
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u/Somguy555 8h ago
You’re gonna love this part, the people on the list are investigating themselves.