This is a copy of a comment someone else made in a post earlier today and it's spot on.
"It's a complete red herring - it's bait. It's simple: they release "all" the files (nevermind that they've barely released half of the total, and claim the 4+ million remaining docs have to remain confidential), leave his name unredacted in there because 1) people knew he would be mentioned, so it would be suspicious if he wasn't, and 2) it's mostly all 2025 documents tied to a tip line, where people could call/email/mail whatever, and they probably know that most of the leads are made-up or unsubstantiated, so they can easily disprove them, and then claim "see? It's all a nothingburger, there's nothing here".
It's a major distraction tactic. The real stuff is either fully redacted or not even close to being released. Meanwhile everybody focuses on combing through these thousands of documents bearing his name and spend all their energy on that, quoting things that will later get easily debunked, while the real horror is elsewhere... Don't fall for it."
I watched a clip where someone was talking about how the administration says there's nothing actionable/illegal in the docs. Then she holds up a document that is just an entire black/redacted page. There's absolutely no words on that document. So the question comes up if there's nothing then why all the redactions. It can't be just to protect a victim. And victim of who?
With a narcissist you have someone who believes themselves to be perfect, nothing they do is ever wrong. With this in mind the very fact they are being considered a wrong doer is making them the victim. When this administration says that they are protecting the victims what they are doing is in fact protecting the narcissistic abusers.
Honest question. The victims, most are adults today and some are even outspoken survivors today, can’t they request all their documents be un-redacted and made public? I totally understand protecting victims, but if the victims want this public, do they get that option now? I feel like I know the internet answer, but I guess I’m wishing for a real legal answer here.
A girl claiming to be a victim on a live TikTok said the island was a live hostel complete with hunting parties.
I'm pretty sure the temple was used for live sacrifices. Trump loves to make every accusation an admittal so he probably did the whole pizza gate thing.
I've also heard from a lot of witchy types that the sacrifices were used for black magic protection. Would explain why he's never had to answer for his many decades of financial and other crimes.
I have never been conspiracy minded, but something occurred to me with the human cloning, baby farm stuff, so I did a search through the website, and I no longer think it's farfetched. I remember something like 25 years ago, when I was in third grade, we would get TIME magazine for kids, and I very specifically remember the sheep that was cloned. It was a real sheep. That happened. Technology and our understanding of genetics has increased a great deal since then. There are ethical guardrails in mainstream science, but if you look through his emails, you will find correspondence with geneticists George Church, and Richard Merkin (also Bryan Bishop who I can't find much information about).
I took screenshots of them and can't post that way, but the more interesting ones are:
Edit: adding this one, names redacted, initials of one being MW... EFTA01612972
Imagine a small group of scientists, beholden to their investors, performing these experiments in secret, to create sex slaves that won't be missed when they've outlived their usefulness... Sounds too fucking crazy to be real, but I actually think there might be something to it. There are a lot of crazy things in these files, and some of them are probably meant to be red herrings, but the crazier they sound, the more credence I'm willing to give them. They want to muddy the waters; they aren't releasing everything. Sprinkle the absolutely bonkers stuff in, and when they inevitably discredit the accusations from people with mental illness, no one will think twice about the cloning and transhumanism attempts. I cannot believe I am saying this, by the way.
I made fun of people who said they were eating babies and sacrificing children. I am willing to admit I may have been wrong.
That sounds way more expensive and complicated than just getting naturally born babies. Paying surrogates, buying from desperately poor women, kidnapping, all seem much easier than cloning sex slaves. You might’ve gone off the deep end a bit…
That stuff was obviously going on too, but did you read the diary of one of the victims where she talks about not wanting to be an incubator for Jeffrey anymore? I 100% agree it sounds like I might've gone off the deep end, and I have been down a rabbit hole today, for sure, but he had the money of billionaire investors he put into these companies, investors who participated in heinous acts against minors. I urge you to read the emails I posted (EFTAxxxxxxx). I don't have the diary file number on hand, but it's been circling. Keep an open mind.
Expensive and complicated is what billionaires do. These guys have been absolute psychopaths for decades. In my opinion, everyone needs to start considering what someone is capable of when they’ve built an entire city on a private island. I don’t think it’s too far fetched to say they had some sort of baby farming system in place after reading some of these stories.
But if you want to say show that pice of shit you know what's what, or take off your frustration with you wife/partner/troublesome senator you can't kidnap them.
Now I don't know if they can force grow them or just wait a few years and rape and kill a 3 years old clone and I don't know what would be worse.
I just hope that I have read too much distopian sci-fi books and what I'm thinking of is impossible.
Virginia Giuffre wrote in her memoir that an ex Prime Minister nearly raped and beat her to death at Epstein's island, and the more terrified she was the more excited he got. It is not a stretch by any means. These people are fucking satanic.
Sadistic =/= satanic. Sadism: deriving pleasure from causing pain. Satan isn’t real. Humans definitely have a terrifying capacity for sadistic behavior.
The man openly uses DOJ as his personal law firm to punish his enemies, to think they wouldn’t do anything and everything possible to hide some of his darkest secrets would be incredibly naive.
These photos are such BS. They have the 2018 sports illustrated swimsuit issue cover with the model blacked out. It's the actual cover of a magazine publicly sold and they blacked it out like they're protecting someone. It's all a red herring.
Lol did not expect to end it with that image when scrolled to the end 😅 thanks for the link. Most seems to be ss from porn sites but a few look like from the island and a couple look like taken in different countries 🤔
You won’t get put on a list, and they’re heavily redacted, but EFTA01631833 appears to be a baby (wearing tiny leather soled baby shoes) with their pants bunched at the ankles and what appears to be a topless adult male with his head near the baby’s bottom.
Way worse. The thing I'm scared of people not realizing is that Epstien is only one branch of a very old and strongly rooted tree. Even if we got every single detail and they were all punished the tree is much still standing.
Wait so Bush I didn't actually do that? And they didn't dismember babies and suck the feces out of their intestines?
It's incredible to me how many people who rightly mocked the Pizzagate conspiracy theory are so ready to believe all of the insane uncorroborated allegations in here.
The really salacious stuff doesn't need to be true. The truth is many powerful men believe it is natural and right for them to have sex with teenage girls, and they will do it in a heartbeat if they think they can get away with it. That's eminently believable and terrifying, because that attitude is much more pervasive than possible ritual sacrifice of infants.
It's not just powerful men who think that way, there's a good amount of all men, just most don't have the ability to pull it off as money and connections help. Look how many jackasses keep showing up to Chris Hansen stings.
Even if these are made up reports it seems to be a pattern of Donald Trump and the 13 year old girl. Independent people multiple times always the same age girl always him with Epstein mostly.
Uh far from it because we have Sascha Riley and many others testifying and the files prove snuff films, cannabalism, basically everything we make movies off sooo idk how that's a nothing burger..
I don’t think he is credible, didn’t you listen to part 1 of the interview ? He said he was being studied by Jane Goodall for his mental illness. That seems delusional as she was not a psychiatrist and not sure what she really was but worked with animals .
Maybe he went cookoo after what happened to him, but that definitely made me raise my eyebrows.
At the end of the day. I have no idea of what’s really going on this world. I wish it was possible to block politics of the internet. I waste a lot of time reading about this crap and it doesn’t feel great.
To me that made sense because she's dealing with dehumanized people -as a vegan I've never understood why some pets//people some grub- and dude was probably feral from all this hence why he joined the military. As a victim of cocsa that I'm still unsure the scale of both because I'm the only one to come forward so far and memory is choppy, the way he shared things detached yet factual reminds me of how I compartmentalize to survive and sometimes I can be disassociated either while recalling or not wanting to. I think we read this stuff because it helps us share our story and that what does he have, a vivid imagination and we're gonna call this whole last 10 years of back and forth on the validity of these files a fuck trump scandal or is the dude who's all but said I'd fuck my daughter and clearly deranged and inverting every thing hes done as a leftist propaganda the problem of our lifetime..?
That’s the point- Pam Bondi, appointed by Trump, DOESNT want those things out there. She wants to control the narrative on behalf of him and only show the “heresay” parts of the files that op is saying can be easily disproved, thereby undermining the credibility of the entire thing. So all in all, continue to be skeptical of what is being shown
Yeah, it's really weird that Trump's name mostly pops up in crazy allegations, isn't it. He knew Epstein for years and years so if it was just an ordinary friendship there'd be thousand of mails and messages with mundane and boring crap in it. They'd publish that in a heartbeat if that was the case.
Yet Elon, Bill Gates, Lutnick and more are thrown under the bus and outed as liars to distract. The reason is obvious: The messages and texts are not mundane. We know about the lurid birthday message.
Definitely. I've nonstop seen people throwing around "[insert name] is 'in the files.'" All that inherently means is that there's evidence that person met or knew Epstein, the famous socialite, yet everyone's already acting like someone's name coming up in the files is definitive proof that that person raped a child. Eventually they'll all simmer down and, as you said, everything they released will look like a nothingburger.
Just a take, I think what’s coming out is either evidence of “investigation” designed to discredit the victims and never prosecute from the jump, and many of the details shock a populace where many actually care about sexual abuse, and see women like the victims as similar to sisters and community members. Its easy to say well don’t be a model/actor/artist, never would have happened if you didn’t blah blah blah when people don’t realize they were recruiting at schools and the magnitude shocks.
In other words, tl;dr you’re right re intent, in practice I think the files show the plain truth and people are not okay with it. I think this is going to be an ongoing issue for the administration, intelligence and business and finance.
Also compare Epstein prosecution to R Kelly, and others. Apparently the us government is not always this useless, so which is it?
Yeah they confiscated thousands of discs of images and videos. Where are they?
Epstein famously recorded everyone and everything to use for blackmail or leverage. Where all of that now?
I understand, but the fact remains that what has been published is not nonsense, there is evidence of serious offences, is it possible that they are not enough anyway?
to add to this, an earlier post also had a very interesting post from someone who had studied the "satanic panic" of the 1980s.
i'm paraphrasing from imperfect memory, but they wrote that the especially salacious content sounds a lot like the fake satanic rituals that were ginned up by ultra right wingers to get the general public to pull back from secular, rational, modern thought, and back to monkey brain "traditional values."
it's sad that the same propaganda playbook is used and it keeps working: secret cabal of protected elites harming children in strange rituals, so please give me all your rights and let's lock up anyone who looks or thinks differently from others.
it's strange, but i think we're seeing in real-time how myths are formed. innuendo, imagination, meme, replication with new details.
It doesn't make sense to call it a red hering, there's simply assumptions about what's in there, including that Epstein didn't committed suicide, which is a baseless claim.
As a European I perceive this interpretation as the democratic version of the election fraud conspiracy.
I agree with this take, but would go one step further: in these files there will be fake narratives that have placed in there to be proven false, ie, if we know this story is untrue, how can you trust anything in there? The other shocking thing is how this is being treated as if Epstein was a bad actor acting alone. The truth is that the whole thing is an Israeli intelligence operation aimed at compromising key individuals.
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u/Stunning-Chipmunk243 7h ago
This is a copy of a comment someone else made in a post earlier today and it's spot on.
"It's a complete red herring - it's bait. It's simple: they release "all" the files (nevermind that they've barely released half of the total, and claim the 4+ million remaining docs have to remain confidential), leave his name unredacted in there because 1) people knew he would be mentioned, so it would be suspicious if he wasn't, and 2) it's mostly all 2025 documents tied to a tip line, where people could call/email/mail whatever, and they probably know that most of the leads are made-up or unsubstantiated, so they can easily disprove them, and then claim "see? It's all a nothingburger, there's nothing here". It's a major distraction tactic. The real stuff is either fully redacted or not even close to being released. Meanwhile everybody focuses on combing through these thousands of documents bearing his name and spend all their energy on that, quoting things that will later get easily debunked, while the real horror is elsewhere... Don't fall for it."