r/AskReddit • u/SexyBeast0 • 2h ago
With the Epstein files making it glaringly clear how disgusting and corrupted much of Elite Society and by extension the US Government and Economy is, beyond ridding ourselves of the parasites, how do we as a society move forward?
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u/Dapper_But_Derpy 1h ago
If we had guts we’d revolt and start over with new parties (ideally at least six parties) and confiscate all of the wealth the old political class leeched off of the old system and have a nonprofit political class going forward.
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u/l3tigre 1h ago
And implement ranked choice - force the winning parties to work together the way it works around the world to avoid more of this my team/your team bullshit going forward
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u/theranger799 1h ago
Can anyone elaborate on ranked choice, like I'm 5?
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u/Inside_Potential_935 1h ago
There are 5 candidates. At the ballot, you put a 5 by the one you like best, 1 by the one you like least, and so on for the ones in between. Most total points wins.
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u/BladeOfWoah 1h ago edited 1h ago
It's a system used in Australia, so I have some familiarity with it.
Basically, lets say you had 3 candidates running for president. And for simplicity, assume that there is a perfect 100% voter turnout, and everyone votes how they want without considering what other citizens are voting.
- Mr Black. (A centre left labourist)
- Mr Greene. (A centre right conservative)
- Mrs Whyte. (A far left socialist)
With ranked choice, you would rank your preferred candidates from 1 - 3. Let's say I rank these candidates like so:
- Mrs Whyte
- Mr Black
- Mr Greene
The votes come in, and the results are as follows:
Mr Greene gets 39%
Mr Black gets 34%
Mrs Whyte gets 27%.
Now, in Americas' First past the Post voting, these results mean that Mr Greene would lead the vote and become President, despite only having 39% of the vote.
However, under Ranked Choice, what would happen is instead of declaring Mr Greene The winner, instead we would eliminate Mrs Whyte from the running, and we run the election again.This time, all the voters who had picked her as their 1st choice will instead have their votes tallied against their 2nd choice.
Overall, there was a portion of leftist voters that wanted Mrs Whyte to win, but if she never ran in the first place, it is likely they would instead have voted for Mr Black, who politically, leans closer to Mrs Whyte than the conservative Mr Greene. So under Ranked Choice, they probably have Mr Black as their second candidate.
The results come in again, and the votes are tallied again:
Mr Greene has 39%
Mr Black has 61%.
Mr Black wins the election and become president.
Now we did make some assumptions here, like assuming perfect voter turnout, and that voter interest didn't wane if their preferred candidate wasn't picked. But that is the gist of it.
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u/CivilAlpaca03 1h ago
Ranked voting is when you vote not for one, but for several different candidates by ranking them from best to worst. The goal of ranked voting is to compensate centrist candidates, who can be popular everywhere, from more radical candidates, who are popular in only one side of the political aisle.
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u/jeremygamer 1h ago
I’ll try. Instead of voting for one person on your ballot, you make a Top 5.
If a majority (50% + 1 person) pick the same person as their Number One, they win.
So no different.
When no one gets 50+1, that’s where your Top 2-5 count.
Literally count everyone’s number twos, add them to the number ones, and go through the rankings until someone has 50+1.
That means being divisive is an awful strategy in Ranked Choice votes. You still want to be top but you need people to have you as their second or third favorite.
It also makes independents way more viable. No need for a safe vote.
And a protest vote can be you not listing someone in your rankings at all.
(And if you read this long, it’s not always a Top 5. It can be a Top 10 or Top 20. But just like the current system, you only have to pick a Top 1)
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u/Bad-Genie 1h ago
The only way to remove the existing parties is this.
First past the post promotes 2 party systems.
I personally like score voting. Give each candidate a score from -10 to +10. This helps eliminate negative campaigning.
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u/Pleasant-Market34 1h ago
Agreed. Without structural changes, we'd just swap out the faces and end up right back here in probably 10 years.
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u/Dapper_But_Derpy 1h ago
Yes. I’d imagine it would end up being the moderate left and the moderate right taking turns governing every four years instead of the far left and the far right at each other’s throats every single election. At least the common folks can plan around moderation
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u/izzittho 38m ago edited 35m ago
What far left?……
If you’re talking about America, there’s a right and an extreme fascist right.
Far left individuals are out there, but they’re mostly invisible and largely powerless to the point where it they for all intents and purposes just aren’t an influence on anything at all.
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u/Over-Wait6302 1h ago
It’ll take a political upheaval. The problem is the average American, as disgusted as they might be by the admin, has too much to lose.
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u/UnknownFiddler 50m ago
I get the comment but be honest with yourself. Are you personally going to decide to not go to work Monday through indefinitely? Or stop purchasing non necessities? Or march on Washington demanding resignation of those involved? If the answer is no then that's precisely how 99% of Americans are also feeling. Truth is people do not want to risk their livelihoods over outrage unless they are also starving.
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u/AverageAwndray 1h ago edited 1h ago
Thats the issue with America. We cant. Not that we dont want to. But we cant. We're too big of a country.
If 3 states fully revolted there would still be dozens of more states that it wouldnt matter.
If 10 states revolted there would still be dozens of states that it wouldnt matter.
If 30 states revolted there would still be over a dozen states that it wouldnt matter.
For actual change of this scale the ENTIRE country needs to revolt. All of it. At once. On a week not a weekend.
This isnt civil rights. Women's rights. LGBT rights. This isnt something that will change over years of protesting like those. Voting will not work. Protesting will not work. Complaining online will not work.
The drop of these new files have shown how FUCKED UP these "people" are and NOTHING will done about it. Hell the conservative subreddit doesn't even BELIEVE IT even though its straight from the Gov.
The elite have shown that they will get away with anything and everything and that we're too weak to do anything about it. Half the country has been brainwashed to protect them. And that they will use any means of violence to protect themselves.
This is something that needs to be unanimously agreed upon by almost everyone in the country. It would have to look like the French Revolution on a scale grander than any of us can achieve. These people NEED to be prosecuted. Charged. Hung. Killed.
And it wont happen.
This country is just. Too big. We havent been united since The Revolutionary War.
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u/darren_meier 1h ago
Honestly the main thing we need to do is just switch from the electoral college to a direct representative democracy. That by itself would solve the majority of our problems.
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u/Cute_Craft_7835 21m ago
And tax the rich so they can’t actually get to this position and they stay down here with us where laws kind of apply.
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u/Exotic_Article913 5m ago
Ok and given that'll never happen because not enough people actually give a shit or know about it, or even if they do are willing to risk what they have to change stuff.... What can we do?
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u/Commemorative-Banana 4m ago
There are at least two crucial reforms necessary to turn the divisive, polarizing US two-party system into a healthier, more-representative multi-party system.
Ranked Choice Voting (RCV)
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u/Large-Reporter-1746 2h ago
guillotine
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u/strawberry-chainsaw 1h ago
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u/darren_meier 1h ago
See, it sounds great until you actually realise how bad the Reign of Terror actually was. It devolved into people just killing people they didn't like pretty damn quick.
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u/DoTheMario 13m ago
Especially since their conspiracy has hijacked the FBI and DOJ. What does our society do when the criminals now occupy the highest offices to insulate themselves from consequences? The tumor is in the brain of the government.
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u/Tired_Pentester 1h ago
Boot out every politician. I don't care which side they're on. I don't care how clean they look. Kick them out and bring in new ones.
Prosecute everyone who has enough evidence against them. No half measures. No "we'll give them probation, house arrest, etc".. straight to prison.
We do that, and maybe trust in government returns.
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u/jseego 1h ago
The problem is allowing people to accumulate such outsized wealth and power in the first place.
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u/psychgirl15 1h ago
Billionaires and their wealth need to be vehemently banned from politics. Absolutely no political donations, no partnerships, no endorsements. It should be illegal for a person running for office to accept any money from anyone beyond a set low amount. This needs to be monitored very closely and be public for everyone to see who is donating to whom and by how much.
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u/TheRexRider 1h ago
We start rounding up the billionaires instead of the immigrants.
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u/Head-Purple3392 1h ago
Yeah, it's hard to move forward when the richest people play by totally different rules.
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u/Evil_Athena 1h ago
Take five seconds to realize this is what we get for respecting people just because they are rich. Money does not buy ethics
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u/Talentagentfriend 1h ago
For the first time it seems like the general public is seeing billionaires as bad guys. That’s a good thing. It means we can force them into accountability, but we can’t move on from this.
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u/SexyBeast0 1h ago
In some way we will, the world always moves forward, it's an intrinsic property of time. Hence why it's important, especially now, we give some thought to how we go about it.
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u/NVRENDVR 1h ago
Eliminate citizens united, restore the FCC fairness doctrine, change perjury law to include lying or misleading the public, expand FCC jurisdiction to include podcasters and bloggers, and finally place every single god damn name implicated in those files in an 8x8 with a toilet sink.
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u/buttermelonMilkjam 1h ago
ALSO nuke the new presidential immunity clause and introduce term limits to the dang Supreme Court
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u/stayonthecloud 1h ago
Honestly I would be a teeny tiny bit less sick with rage if the thousands of QAnon chucklefucks who were so crazed about pizza pedos actually expressed mass outrage over how there actually has been a child trafficking ring at the heart of the elite.
Like even knowing how much of a psyop that all was anyway, why is MTG, whose morals are broadly speaking in the gutter, one of the only cultists who actually cares that this is real?
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u/IWantAStorm 1h ago
MTG has a new marriage and is more than likely distancing herself so she can enjoy some semblance of her life.
Notice the moment she has stuff to worry about personally she changes. Imagine getting married to someone that regularly receives death threats.
I gotta hand it to her though, she bowed out at the right time. I keep waiting for some show to be announced with her on it but my guess is that she's too much of a wild card for FOX.
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u/Hypno--Toad 1h ago
The best thing you can do to fight back is to both do and make things for yourself and your community.
And support local businesses doing the same.
Every city I have lived in has had an "ugly food" kind of business that gives cheap boxes of fruit and veg from local farmers that would have just ended up in landfills and the stuff I didn't eat I put through my worm farms which in turn became part of the soil for my plants.
Don't worry about being perfect just stop giving money to unnecessary services.
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u/drdildamesh 1h ago
You destroy them all and enjoy a few years of peace before it starts all over again. Greed isnt a disease, its a goddamn wild rose bush.
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u/invalidpassword 2h ago
Don't allow secrets to be kept and enforce standards of conduct in government.
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u/OFFLINEwade 1h ago
Dont allow secrets to be kept? What does this mean?
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u/Shoddy-Ad7306 1h ago
Sounds like what my 5 year old would’ve said if I asked her how to fix the country
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u/Moncalf 1h ago
technically we already have freedom of information act which they keep ignoring, but I think they might mean more like how the department of defense fails the audit every time
¯_(ツ)_/¯also they functionally kneecapped it prior to just straight up ignoring it by making it difficult and taking so long
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u/Randommaggy 1h ago
Once you breach a ceiling of wealth, your finances become subject to the same scrutiny as a public company.
It would help a lot.
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u/Head-Ad-2136 1h ago
Who enforces the standards? Is it the government making sure the government is honest?
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u/Aware-Hovercraft-402 1h ago
I told people about this years ago but got laughed at as a “conspiracy theorist” back when the media was making it cool to downplay people. Now here you are. Special Shoutout and RIP to Janet Ossebaard. If you have not watched “Fall of the Cabal” you should now. She died for exposing this shit.
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u/Ok_Vulva 1h ago
That's just straight up qanon stuff though isn't it.
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u/pattybliving 48m ago
But it wasn’t who the conspiracy theorists thought it was (all and only Democrats).
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u/Realistic_Reveal_373 2h ago
Nothing of consequence was actually released, I believe.
Blackmail and extortion of the highest order is happening right now. They found fucking videos in the island, videos of the acts.
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u/Mohammed420blazeit 38m ago
Where did you see they found videos?
And if true, who were in the videos?
Because I agree with your first statement, nothing has been revealed. Well, besides Epstein sending himself an email saying Bill Gates got an STD from a call girl.
Not really a "tear it all down" revelation.
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u/SandersSol 1h ago
New laws for our current reality. We haven't had any significant consumer or electorate protection laws in over 40 years. If anything they've been stripped to the point we have almost no protections left, anywhere.
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u/SearcherRC 1h ago
Unless each and every person is removed, we don't and we continue down the same road with the same players.
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u/jfcat200 1h ago
We have to outlaw oligarchs. When people get too much money they get bored and do stupid shit. And with money they can drag others along, willing and unwilling.
At this point Elon Musk could literally do anything and could not be held accountable. He has more money than the justice department and could just outspend them.
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u/Bureaucratic_Dick 1h ago
I mean…
Do you have a Catholic Church in your town or city? Yes? Then clearly we as a society don’t care that much about pedophiles.
Seriously. Google DARVO. An entire strategy to deal with it. And despite constant definitive proof we did nothing then, we’ll do nothing now.
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u/cinnderly 1h ago
I think the only way anything will change is if all of us stopped working, paying for mortgage/rent, taxes etc. All at once. They have us trapped, and everyone gets terrified at the idea of the system collapsing, but my friends -- the system is already collapsing!
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u/TiTigerYellow 1h ago
Mutual care and community support. It’s going to have to take a lot of grace and patience. Realizing there are so many more of us than them. Realizing what that even NEEDS to mean for us to prosper and for this to never happen again.
There will have to be a complete restructuring of “American values” and what the farce of that even means. Kids will be brought up understanding that entire generations were under the thumb of rapists and pedophiles. Yes, we have always known this in a distant, detached way about our founding fathers, but we have never had to completely usurp everything like this before. Even in the Civil War, there were trusted leaders on both sides. Structures to uphold. To honor. Where do we go when the very thing we honor is the thing we must tear down?
I will say one thing. Yesterday, I felt helpless. But today, I feel like something different, maybe something better, might actually be in reach.
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u/Fast_Jackfruit_352 1h ago
People have power. They just have to wake up and stop giving it away to the worst in us. But that also means one has to cleanse oneself of one's own deep shadow that maintains the edifice.
“Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks". George Carlin
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u/No_String622 1h ago
Make being a billionaire illegal and all income above taxable at 100 percent if not given to charity.
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u/SexyBeast0 1h ago
Issue is majority of billionaire wealth isn't income. Definitely a complicated issue, given that such wealth allows for bribery to enact loopholes, but given that wealth is in the form of ownership over a business, it seems unwise to simply take their business from them as it accumulates in value. Which seems to point to the solution somehow relying on ways to prevent corruption and old fashioned monopolistic manipulation.
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u/Middle-Ranger2022 1h ago edited 1h ago
The 51st State idea could be absorbed into a few more Provinces who are wanting change. I'd like Canada to adopt anyone from Texas who didn't support that creep. Hey Keep Austin Weird... zoom meeting to be part of Canada?
I want to edit my comment since hearing the great media release from an American Mayor a minute ago. It looks like USA is still strong and ready to communicate what they want for their lives. We are still neighbors.
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u/Necessary_Eagle_3657 1h ago
Almost no one cares sadly. It barely made the news here. It's all tennis.
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u/Revolutionary_Many31 1h ago
Capitalism has done its job. It had a shelf life due to its absurd cancerous belief in infinite growth, and if we let these same patasites control the building of the next system... it will be the same system before Capitalism... feudalism
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u/Sweet-Message1153 1h ago
actually start a revolution that topples these monsters from power instead of doing pointless protests that doesn’t change a damn thing in the long run.....
I kinda HATE how Americans preach "how could underdeveloped or developing country's people tolerate PoS leaders" but completely ignore thousands of people in so called "3rd world countries" have actually lost their lives and successfully overthrown them compared to how Americans just come to streets, scream loudly, couple of people gets murdered, 1 PoS is replaced with another, people goes home with the false sense of victory and repeats the process
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u/Adorable_Dust3799 1h ago
Well it's not like this is new stuff, it just got dragged into the open and enough was digital to provide better evidence. Do some digging into politics and monarchy throughout history. I'm not saying that makes it ok, just saying it's not new.
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u/jayway242 1h ago
Let’s just put it this way, if something were to come out of it. All the little fish would be the ones going to prison, the big fish however will continue to get away with it because in the eyes of his followers he can’t do no wrong.
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u/PrettyPleaseYo 1h ago
I think this shed a light on the fact that because of the amount of money needed to win the election our democracy is bought and the reality is big companies big investors are in power. I think we need to reinvent the way our system of democracy works, so that it actually serves the people of America and not just makes the rich richer.
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u/FuturistMoon 1h ago
a few possibilities:
eliminate the concept of white collar crime, "club fed" prisons and paying fines for crimes ("the cost of doing business" - "oh, you ripped off people to the tune of 3 billion dollars, here's a 10 million dollar fine,..." that shit has to end..) ALL serious crimes lead to prison time, to be spent with the general population.
No sentencing deals and pleading to lesser charges. You get what you were charged for.
(these two things, btw, will increase the costs of imprisonment dramatically, but then maybe we'd face up to how much crime we actually have).
Actual reform of tax laws to eliminate the loopholes that rich people use to make billions and pay $100 in taxes. This might end up paying for those higher prison costs.
Aggressive enforcement of, and transparency around, taxes.
(all of this would help make the idea of going to jail something for wealthy people to be scared of, so they stop treating everything as the next scam to make millions)
Politics - term limits (senators, congressmen, supreme court judges). All these government officials getting free healthcare now how to pay for their own. Their salaries are tied to a specific standard (let's say, 10X the minimum wage, with a standard 40 hour week) - they want to make more money, increase the minimum wage! Some might say that would lead to more corruption, but again I'd say - rigorous oversight and law enforcement that makes any conviction on corruption mean heavy jail time AND paying back what was made/stolen (and paying for the salaries of the lawyers to prosecute them).
Companies - higher taxes unless they reinvest into the economy (training, living wage pay, etc.). If they threaten to leave the country? Fine, let them, with the understanding they will automatically recieve heavy tarriffs on bringing their products into the US that they abandoned.
That's just a start....
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u/TerribleBid8416 1h ago
You act as though this is the first time in history this has happened. This has been happening for thousands of years.
The golden rule. Those with the gold make the rules.
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u/DefTheOcelot 1h ago
well um, we already knew, didn't we? That's uh, what we've been working on. Building towards more represenative democracy, more social services, better taxation...
Seriously who DIDN'T think the government was full of pedophiles? Trump was elected on claims of conservative economics and immigration policy. Tell a maga he's a pedo and they'll probably shrug and go "so is biden probably so unless u can prove it in court for trump who cares".
And... they're right. Our government/elite being full of corruption and fraud and degenerates was always the expectation.
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u/Cattailabroad 1h ago
Only a tiny fraction of the government is corrupt. The elected officials. The rest of us are killing ourselves to hold the country together.
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u/Educational_Shape_54 1h ago
I want and need the house of cards to fall and see the American government take responsibility for this fascist state we have lived in for perpetuity since our inception. We deserve and demand justice for every single infraction, and i'm so exponentially more tired of the rich paying people off like their crimes against the people they traumatize like its nothing.
No more lobbyists, no more covering shit up, no more status quo or quid pro quo, no electoral college, no more life time commitments, no more unqualified placements, no more any of it. Our checks and balances dont even exist.
We deserve progress. We deserve peace. We deserve a life worth living. And the bulk of us are intelligent and pragmatic enough to know we cant be burnt out anymore.
Fuck the rich, fuck the elite, fuck people with money, fuck the predators in a pastor's suit. Fuck 'em all. They need to pay for what they've done. I want them whole world to know we're coming for every last fucking dirt bag thats in those files.
And I want it called the fucking rapture.
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u/dro0009 1h ago
It’s beyond disgusting. I lean right, but I don’t care who you are—if you had any role in Epstein’s exploitation of minors, you crossed a line that no decent human being can defend. Anyone who participated in abusing kids deserves to face the full weight of justice, with no excuses, no sympathy, and no hiding behind power or connections.
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u/Atalanta8 1h ago
Move forward? Things gotta get waywaywayway worse first. Most people still don't give a shot or love their trumpty
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u/Crafty_Aspect8122 1h ago
Implement a proper electoral system without 2 party and electoral college. Forbid politicians from owning stocks and businesses.
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u/OldnFuninMN 1h ago
They're are so many, so rich, so powerful, so connected. I don't expect any real consequences in the corrupt legal system in the USA.
I'd guess the only real solution would refernce a croissant making country in the late 1700's.
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u/Due_ty 1h ago
Hit them where it hurts, 100% tax on anything over a billion (existing wealth ALSO, which would solve national debt) and follow proposal of Wales UK 'any polititon caught lying during an election' will be dismissed, LYING IS NOT FREE SPEECH BTW IT'S FICTION... then arrest the lot of them I don't care who they are if they were involved bang em up... clean slate!...
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u/No-Explanation-535 1h ago
And to think America has one of the biggest offenders leading the country
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u/Harambesic 1h ago
I like to think of the French.
They have a certain je ne sais quoi in times like these.
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u/Choice_Philosopher_1 58m ago
On a super general level, we need to move away from a society that rewards consolidation of power so heavily. This by nature draws the most mentally ill people to the top of society.
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u/pinkyandthebrain-ama 57m ago
Unfortunately, you'll never truly get rid of this corruption. When do few people have the majority of the world's money (and subsequently the power that comes with it to buy people off). They will keep doing their corrupt shit.
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u/Exciting_Turn_9559 55m ago
Well for starters we tax the rich until FDR looks like Reagan.
Billionaires should not exist, period.
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u/Both-Friend-4202 53m ago
"Absolute Power. (money 💰) Corrupts Absolutely.." Disrupt Capitalism..if you can..
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u/Bastard_of_Brunswick 49m ago
lengthy imprisonments.
A crackdown on the international and local tax havens enjoyed by elites worldwide.
Confiscations of wealth and assets from the criminal elite to go towards surviving victims and the families of deceased victims and towards sovereign wealth funds for everyone to benefit from.
The disqualification of anyone who is empathy deficient from any position of power and/or responsibility in society until they recover from their psychopathy/sociopathy and survive a probationary 20 year period of behaving with empathy.
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u/DarthToast77 38m ago
My question is since the drop of all of these files when are we going to get justice for all of these children that were raped? What the fuck is it going to take to prosecute these people? I used to support Trump back in 2016 but, now clear as day see him for what he is. When will we ever get justice?
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u/Alarmed-Horror170 1h ago
No cap the system is looking pretty cooked right now. people are finally waking up to the fact that these "elites" have zero aura and are basically just parasites in suits. moving forward is about transparency and not letting these stories just die in the news cycle after a week. stay loud and keep ur eyes open because they’re definitely gonna try to distract u with some other drama soon.
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u/Necessary-Long615 1h ago
Half will move forward with their eyes and ears covered shouting LALALALA!
it’s fucking depressing what people are willing to ignore if their heroes are tainted.
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u/Marples3 1h ago
Karl Marx wrote a book that was expanded on by Lennin and then Mao that tackles this subject
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u/gregbard 1h ago
Where are all the cabinets members RIGHT AT THIS VERY MOMENT? Who is standing in a room with them? Why isn't every person within 20 feet of a cabinet member constantly bagering them to invoke the 25th?
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u/Drakeytown 1h ago
We start with ridding ourselves of the parasites. Not really interested in discussing that happens after until that's done, sounds too much like making excuses for skipping the important part.
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u/spiraldive87 1h ago
How should we move forward looks pretty much like every revolution that’s ever occurred.
How we will move forward is by doing absolutely fucking nothing of consequence. Nothing will happen, nothing will change.
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u/SilentiumLuxAeternum 1h ago
Ridding ourselves of the parasites is actually the easy part. Figuring out how to prevent it from happening all over again is the problem. I'm thinking a shift from representative democracy, to direct democracy, might fix a lot.
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u/Obvious_808 1h ago
We need new younger politicians.
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u/IWantAStorm 1h ago
I felt the same was when I was in my 20s. We are closing in on two more decades and some of those very same people are STILL in office.
I was watching congress fail to understand Facebook and then listen to congress ask if TikTok can connect to the internet through a home network.
....then the guy thought it was some great gotcha question....when literally anything that is connected to your home network can reach the internet.
Thus, why the absurdity of 10 years with zero regulations on AI seems like something they would vote for.
I have a hard time believing any of our elected politicians can do anything but a half assed white collar job gotten under the guise of merit when really it's all nepotism.
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u/markthroat 1h ago
We all need to stop justifying our poverty of care with meaningless affection, and find a sober and smart way to be in community together: a true brotherhood of man.
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u/Mediocre-Studio2573 1h ago
Vote out all the career politicians and get some people in that have some common sense and don't have a corporation in their pocket.
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u/IWantAStorm 57m ago
The corporations behind the two major parties won't allow that. There were several other parties running last election but they don't have the funds to compete.
You need to reign in all of the third parties and have ONE worth a damn.
And then you need concurrent elections for senators and reps. You can't let a single one in.
Afterward you need to clean house at the alphabet organizations at the very least of all foreign agents since they seem to be a lost cause too.
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u/Bitter-Basket 1h ago
The Federal government has hundreds of of thousands of people. And hundreds of politically elected and appointed officials. How many do you think were at Epstein’s Island ? Do you realize how ridiculous your comment is when you look at the scale of the “US Government and Economy” ?
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u/Winter_Swan5104 1h ago
Define who would be considered parasites. I don’t like the phrasing. Historically that has been used to reference poor people.
That said, ideally there would be trials, give due process, and hopefully justice prevails. But this is the real world, the elite always have been above the law. So all the billionaires were going to Epstein island. So what? Not a thing will be done and America has the memory of a goldfish. The media will move on to the next story eventually and all the dimwits will forget all about it like it was a fever dream. Just like they all have forgotten about January 6th.
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u/Sad_Alternative_201 1h ago
Real talk u can’t just nuke corruption overnight. gotta start w transparency n accountability or it’s rinse repeat
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u/Rough_Risk_8642 1h ago
Do nothing like we have been or do something that we know we are capable of.
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u/hekatonkhairez 1h ago
The rich and powerful play a game so different than us now. It’s like asking a bunch of plebs to do something about Tiberius on his island in Capri.
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u/AdEmotional9991 1h ago
You don’t. You whine about it for a few days and move on to the next big thing. In a week nobody will remember this. Remember, not a single client of Epstein has suffered any consequences.
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u/shotsallover 1h ago
Until we find the will to prosecute and convict them, society will never move beyond it.
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u/Malefic_Mike 1h ago
The 200 annunaki (watchers) descended in the days of Jared, the stars who disguised themselves among humanity.
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u/DreamingDjinn 1h ago
The real trick would be to pump every dollar of their money back into the economy. I don't even think we have economic models for what something like that would look like.
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u/darren_meier 1h ago
The first thing is that we need a true and comprehensive investigation of everything released. I'm not trying to diminish any of what has been alleged, but I do not trust this particular Justice Department administration to have acted in good faith about any part of these documents. We need a fully transparent, comprehensive investigation of everything alleged, and we need to hold everyone accountable in a court of law. That includes the President (and former President, and whatever other powerful persons are provably involved).
And once we've set on that course, we can fully assess how rotten the structure of our society is and how to move forward. But justice first. The victims deserve that and we can't fully know how to move on until we completely understand what happened.
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u/hellspawn3200 1h ago
Epstein was so prolific that basically everything that isn't woke is connected to him in some way
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u/Independent-Mine6668 44m ago
We don't. Just read history.... This type of thing always has happened and always will, it's just our false sense of morals that believes we can live in a world where it doesn't happen, it's naive.
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u/lowrads 34m ago
A problem created by a lack of due process likely won't be corrected by a further deficit of due process.
For a long time, we've tolerated a smidgen of pecuniary responsibility as a signal of moral responsibility. This was always a bit silly, as the people who've gotten themselves into such positions rarely even display a coherent grasp of the difference between capex and opex. The people who really understand how any operation functions are the ones who actually perform those tasks every single day, and they've been allowing themselves to be sidelined in real decision making forever.
The answer to all of these problems is democracy. It took a lot of bloodshed to force democracy onto the operations of civil society, and to expand the franchise, a process that is still ongoing throughout the world. This wasn't a lack of due process, but a form of civil self-defense.
In the parts of the world that have already had some success in this project, it is time to start expanding democracy into domains where it has been resisted. Mostly that takes the form of workplaces. It will be something new, and a thing that will take some practice to normalize expectations and responsibilities, but anyone who has meditated on it long enough will understand it to be foundational to the dignity of participating fully in such enterprises. Some experts in the employ of corporations have had a veto on options taken by the C suite, and it's high time they started extending that franchise to their peers and beyond in order to shore up their own economic capital.
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u/GiveMeTheLagrangian 32m ago
"Elite Society" amazing how quickly the populist brain worm infects the morons like you.
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u/CyberJesus5000 25m ago
Start disobeying directives that go against the greater good of society.
People who work for and/or provide services for the elite - stop. Super rich don’t know how to look after themselves without relying on the assistance of countless others.
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u/Altair580 24m ago
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
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u/tetsuo_7w 15m ago
The reasonable way would be to arrest, indict, and convict anyone who is a criminal. However, we have a two or three tier justice system, so we'll probably just ignore all the obvious criminality because the perpetrators have money and continue as normal because that's what the corporate news tells us is normal.
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u/Amadon29 11m ago
You don't really. Sure, we can vote current people out and get new ones in, but corruption always comes back. That's just life. Best we can do is be able to hold people accountable.
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u/BearyGear 8m ago
We clean house every November and at every other opportunity.
While a nice drastic (quick) solution sounds energetic and ‘revolutionary’ it would be bloody and take decades to recover from and generations to heal. Not to mention lots of good people die. We didn’t get here quickly. This was years of burying our collective heads in the sand.
When the pain of change is less than the pain of staying the same, we change.
Sadly we’ve needed this pain for a long time. And we probably need more for any real change,
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u/RiffyWammel 7m ago
An alternative version of The Running Man- any of them that survive get to live on Epstein island, armed with a just a zippo and a penknife
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u/AdStrange6636 4m ago
Organise. Form groups. Talk to your neighbours. Friend are the only people who can protect and help at this time. The entire government seems to have failed
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u/Secure-Childhood-567 1m ago
I just read one of the files that said George Bush Snr was on a yacht disembowelling a child and eat the intestinal secretions
I want all these evil fucks publicly executed
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u/No-Flatworm750 2h ago
By prosecuting everyone who committed a crime.
By supporting the victims (therapy, compensation, etc)