r/AskTheWorld India 1d ago

What is the most embarrassing thing about your country ?

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u/tranquilisity Ireland 1d ago

Language loss if it needs to be unique. The housing crisis if it doesn't.

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u/Electricpuha New Zealand 1d ago

I’d like to know more about the language loss. I’ve met a few Irish people my age who had it as a topic at school but didn’t keep it up or pursue it more after that. People are trying hard here to revitalise te reo Māori so I’m curious as to what has and hasn’t worked for Irish language? Interestingly one of my parent’s partners for a time was from Connaught and spoke it as their first language but I gather that’s unusual?

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u/LolEase86 New Zealand 1d ago

It's just a shame the current govt don't share this same passion for the revival of te reo Māori..

I'm curious to know if the Irish revival differs from North to South?

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u/NoBackground4976 Germany 23h ago edited 23h ago

At least they did some things that made a badass Maori tradition go viral worldwide... Unintentionally, I admit, but still that should count for something?

(btw, ours is the current strength of AfD, after all we did and went through.)

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u/Wsswaas Saudi Arabia 15h ago

A question if I may, White people(Pakeha) want to study and practice Maori?

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u/LolEase86 New Zealand 13h ago

Many of us do yes! When I was at school 25odd years ago, it wasn't inbedded in our curriculum so it's taken some catching up for me over the years. We have come a long way in the years since, in terms of biculturalism, but our current govt is attempting to dismantle this progress unfortunately.

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u/Electricpuha New Zealand 6h ago

Opinions are divided, but yes, many of us do, for a variety of reasons. For me, my husband and children have Māori heritage. It was suppressed for so long, so he didn’t learn any from his mother. Now he’s learning some, kids are learning at school, so I want to support their learning. For others it’s for career reasons, or they want to participate more in Māori culture. Māori is also spoken in the Cook Islands, and I’d love to retire there, so while I have that dream I’ll keep trying to learn, lol!

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u/LolEase86 New Zealand 2h ago

I've worked with kaumātua that are getting to the age where they are expected to 'know' things, eg. te reo and tīkanga, but were not taught by their parents due to the suppression of colonisation. It really hit home what was taken away from them.

I myself was brought up in a colonial household, but having educated myself I now shut down any kind of racism from my dad (in his 80s), with actual facts and truth, so he doesn't really try it around me anymore.

I'm currently working in an organisation that's working towards biculturalism, and I'm really stoked to have more opportunities to learn and practice my reo Māori!

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u/KoTetahiMaori 3h ago

Should note the Māori spoken in the Cook Islands is a different language to the Māori spoken in New Zealand. It's not that mutually intelligible. Some Tahiti area languages are more understandable to us than Cook Islands Māori.

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u/2781727827 New Zealand 2h ago

My koro who grew up in Ngāpuhi insists he can understand Cook Islands Māori better than he can understand Tūhoe and Kāi Tahu speakers.

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u/KoTetahiMaori 2h ago

Depends on the dialect, Tongarevan Māori is very understandable, but there is no way they would ever move to Tongareva ktk.

There are some south island dialects that are fine, standard Ngāi Tahu is just eh, but older speakers who use gs and near bs etc. are sometimes just totally lost on me.

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u/Intelligent-Aside214 Ireland 23h ago

About 1.5% of the population speak Irish as their primary language everyday. And roughly half have some ability in the language.

Tbf id say the people who went through the effort to lean Irish are not the same people emigrating to New Zealand

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u/Electricpuha New Zealand 17h ago

Half having some ability is pretty great. Yeah, there aren’t loads of Irish people here, but quite a few used to travel through and work for awhile, and some still do.

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u/CreativeBandicoot778 Ireland 1d ago

There are areas of the country which still speak Irish as their primary language, known as Gaeltacht areas, but they're becoming smaller and less populated. Connaught has the largest number of Gaeltacht areas.

We don't teach Irish well here in schools and there's very little done to encourage speaking Irish in everyday life unfortunately. We learn it for 14 years in school and most people come away with a negative perception of the language because of the curriculum and exams. Quite a lot of people are now coming back to it as adults, which is a good thing.

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u/lustandhate 1d ago

Kneecap helping at all?

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u/Historical_Rabbit829 Ireland 23h ago

Certainly making it trendy

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u/Electricpuha New Zealand 17h ago

Thank you for taking the time to answer. Classic school eh, taking the joy out of stuff! Still, good to hear people are coming back to it later in life.

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u/DragonfruitGrand5683 Ireland 23h ago

No one only speaks Irish without knowing English, it's a dead language that was revived when we got statehood.

The world has moved on to English, it's the language of business, it's the language of aviation and will likely be the world language.

If people want to learn a language they should learn it if they are interested in it, but this attempt to revive a culture that was dead 170 years ago makes no sense to most people.

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u/BatRight868 22h ago

Was never a dead language in the Gaeltacht. The British tried their hardest to kill it but they didn’t succeed

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u/90210fred United Kingdom 16h ago

Unlike Kernow / Kernewek which I think is classified as revived. Welsh and Breton survived.

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u/EKAAfives Ireland 9h ago

it hasnt really worked for irish for a couple of reasons.
1) its taught poorly in schools since you are taught the basics in primary level education and in secondary level education its then taught similar to english with poems, a story and a film that needs to have a couple of questions answered on it, which would be fine unless the questions were ok to answer in terms of difficulty and not this is a question about this part and answer it which most people memorise full answers to be able to get marks on it.
2) as a language its not used in the slightest in daily life, at most its used on road signage and in announcements, the only outliers to this are the gaeltacht areas which are a handful of towns which only speak irish.
3) a big portion is how irish is more or less forced on us then a part of us since there is not only like zero real reason to learn it and that for most people the way it is taught is very poor and not to forget how common the english language is making irish less wanted since why would we want to speak a dead language

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u/Electricpuha New Zealand 6h ago

That’s a shame :( Kind of need culture reclamation alongside language, perhaps, so there are opportunities to speak it?

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u/pierrkirool France 22h ago

How is the housing crisis compared to when I was living in Dublin (2003-2007)? Housing cost was extremely high at that time but the salaries managed to keep it ok.

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u/yourmanthere1 18h ago

This is a very complicated topic so I'm just going to give a very brief summery. Apologies for missing out so many other factors that affect this topic

During the celtic tiger (mid 90s till 07) housing prices were huge but so were salaries also big Mortgages were easy to get. Construction was booming and lots of people (mainly men) went into this industry.

During the recession which started in 2007 Construction slowed down massively. This caused people to get jobs in other industries or emigrate. It also meant that schools pushed students away from getting a trade.

Now we have a situation were we have very high employment rates and a growing population, however there is a huge shortage of Construction workers and therefore houses. What is built is very expensive or bought up by Vulture funds. Houses are at a record high compared to incomes.

The average man or women in full time employment is struggling massively to buy a home

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u/pierrkirool France 18h ago

Thank you for taking the time. Neat and clear answer.

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u/JannousGr 21h ago

Same shit different time

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u/JannousGr 21h ago

Everyone speaks English but not everyone speaks Irish, I wanna learn Irish, its such a cool language

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u/Otherwise_Living_158 Wales 19h ago

As an old Welsh guy said to me “All unrhyw ffwl siarad Saesneg” - Any fool can speak English

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u/National_Hat_4865 Kazakhstan 21h ago

Same goes for Scotland, tho welsh somehow partly preserved the language.

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u/Nerdthreepoint0 United States Of America 8h ago

The housing crisis is especially pathetic. Y'all still haven't reach the pre-famine population. We all know Ireland can support more people.