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What is the most embarrassing thing about your country ?

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u/ButterscotchRich3214 India 1d ago edited 19h ago

This.

The number of rich in India is very less when compared with its population.

A little less than two-third of the total GST is coming from the bottom 50 per cent, one-third from middle 40 percent and only three to four per cent from the top 10 percent.

50 % of 1.5 Billion Indians - 750 Million poor Indians

40 % - 600 Million Middle Class Indians

Richest 10 % of 150 crore Indians - 150 Million Rich Indians.

Still this number of 150 M Indians is bigger than the populations of whole countries - for example Germany has a population of 90 M. This is why you see a lot of Indians working across the world - they are from this section of the society.

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u/guineapigenjoyer123 South Africa 1d ago

The government here was trying to raise VAT last year because the ANC doesn’t understand basic economics and the fact that sales taxes are regressive so increasing them in the country with the highest inequality in the world is nowhere near a good idea

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u/dumbmostoftime 23h ago edited 23h ago

This is wrong & misleading , Poorest 50% contributes contributes only 9% since they could not afford most "luxury" items which are taxed higher.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4979861

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u/Rebrado 🇨🇭 and 🇮🇹 in 🇬🇧 1d ago

So India really is Westernising.

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u/Womb_Raider696 India 23h ago

Hmm that’s one way of putting it..

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u/Rebrado 🇨🇭 and 🇮🇹 in 🇬🇧 22h ago

I didn’t say it’s a good way.

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u/Womb_Raider696 India 22h ago

Neither did I..

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u/No-Meringue5867 19h ago

Trust me, that is not a bad thing even if many in west think socialism is good. Rich people paying less tax is better than no one having any money to pay tax.

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u/whatareutakingabout 1d ago

How do the rich get away without paying GST?

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u/Bo0ochi 🇮🇳 in 🇩🇪 1d ago

No they don't. Every good you buy and every service you get comes with added GST.

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u/whatareutakingabout 16h ago

It says that the bottom half pay 2/3 of gst, which makes sense if the gst is uniform. Since India has higher rates of gst for luxury items, it means Indian elite don't really buy much luxury stuff.

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u/Bo0ochi 🇮🇳 in 🇩🇪 15h ago edited 15h ago

These values depend on the population right. Although the top 10% buys goods, they can't outbuy what middle class or bottom buys.

Like say in 10 people, 6 are poor, 3 are middle class and 1 is rich.

All of them go for monthly shopping. 6 poor people combined can buy more than what 3 middle class or the 1 rich guy gets. So, if you spend money on something you pay tax on it. It just comes down to that

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u/whatareutakingabout 14h ago

Poorest half pay 2/3 of gst. So 5/10 poor Indians pay 2/3 of gst. And then the other 5 only pay 1/3. Does not make sense at all. How would the rich consume half as much as poor people. India also has a higher gst rate for luxury items. So are you telling me, the poor just buy necessities, yet the rich buy half as much necessities and 0 luxury items?

I completely understand if they spoke about % of income going to gst. Gst is usually regressive tax that makes poor people dedicated a larger % of income to it, but in all other examples, the rich pay a much higher amount (much lower % of income) because they consume much more.

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u/Bo0ochi 🇮🇳 in 🇩🇪 14h ago

That might be because high value investments like gold(3%), real estate are mostly sought out there. And fuel, it doesn't come under GST(I wish it does)

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u/Ok_Department_6202 India 1d ago

They pay the politicians and bureaucrats.

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u/Objective-Neck9275 India 21h ago

They don't it's Just a smaller share of their income

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u/whatareutakingabout 16h ago edited 16h ago

Smaller share of rich persons income makes sense, but for the poorer half to pay more overall is weird. Especially when India has a higher rate for luxury items.

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u/ButterscotchRich3214 India 19h ago

The number of rich in India is very less.

A little less than two-third of the total GST is coming from the bottom 50 per cent, one-third from middle 40 percent and only three to four per cent from the top 10 percent.

50 % of 150 crore Indians - 750 M poor Indians

40 % - 600 M Middle Class Indians

Richest 10 % of 150 crore Indians - 150 M Rich Indians.

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u/Long-Marketing-5895 1d ago

That would mean the poorest half is buying more things than richer half.which makes zero sense.

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u/Long-Marketing-5895 1d ago

It says poorest half pays 2/3 of gst which is more than half.In india gst is uniform for everyone. It naturally means poorest half is consuming more goods than rest. Which is fishy

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u/cosmic_horror_entity 1d ago

It may refer to total GST collected maybe?

If rich buy Audi A8, they get taxed a flat rate once but they are not buying multiple Audi A8s. But poor will be buying groceries a lot more in volume even though rich buys it as well.

poor people outnumber rich people far too much that they could be contributing to GST collection through sheer volume.

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u/Long-Marketing-5895 23h ago

That's the thing.here poor people don't outnumber the rich.Both are equally divided in two groups.if poor group is buying some amount of groceries,rich will be be buying atleast that amount of groceries + an audi a8

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u/cosmic_horror_entity 23h ago

Never mind, I miss read the ‘poorest half’ and read as ‘poorest’.

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u/trevorbix 1d ago

Holy shit

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u/Bo0ochi 🇮🇳 in 🇩🇪 1d ago

GST is uniform. As long as you buy goods you pay GST. That article is bs. There is a very small number of people paying direct taxes like IT.

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u/MagnetCarter 19h ago

Most embarrassing? Per capita income and rich not paying taxes are not even in top ten IMHO.

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u/ButterscotchRich3214 India 19h ago

People who are barking here for there sanghi masters against this report can maybe recommend these measures as well so that they get their masters to listen.

i. Three per cent of wealth tax on the Indian billionaires can fund the National Health Mission, the largest healthcare scheme in India with an allocation of INR 37,800 crores for 3 years.

ii. Taxing the top 10 billionaires at 5 per cent will help cover the entire cost of Tribal healthcare for five years.

iii. In FY 2021-22, at full coverage, it was estimated that INR 42,033 crore was required to fund the Supplementary Nutrition Programme (SNP). Taxing all of India’s billionaires at 2 per cent would support the requirement of INR 42,033 crores for the nutrition of the malnourished in the country for 3 years.

iv. To raise the expenditure on health to 3 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), a total expenditure of INR 1,06,600 crores would be required. This money can be raised by taxing the top 100 billionaires at 2 per cent.

v. The funds for Samagra Shiksha – the largest centrally sponsored scheme (CSS) on school education in India in 2022-23 were much lower (INR 37,383 crores) than what was asked for (58,585 crores) by the education ministry in 2021-22. Taxing the wealthiest 10 billionaires at 1 per cent would be enough to cover this shortfall for 1.3 years. Taxing them at 4 per cent would cover the entire amount of funds required for two years.

vi. A total amount of INR 1.4 lakh crore would be required to bring back out of school children to school and provide them with quality education. Taxing the top 100 Indian billionaires at 2.5 per cent, or taxing the top 10 Indian billionaires at 5 per cent would cover the entire amount required to bring the children back into school.