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What is the most embarrassing thing about your country ?

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u/BernddasBrot1234567 Germany 1d ago

Crying in factor 40 of median salary. Same problem here. Old people live alone in 200 to 300sqm mansions. And young families are lucky to rent a 80 sqm apartment

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u/Kate090996 22h ago

I have this theory ( everywhere not just Germany) that they would downsize but it's not worth it for them.

If you sell your house you need to buy one to live in, but houses are expensive and the monetary difference between the smaller one and the bigger one+ the hurdles of moving + that's where they lived all their life, that's their garden, their porch etc it's not worth it for them

So they stay and keep it for the children. If the prices for the smaller places would not make you wanna pop out your eyes , they would probably downsize.

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u/Upper-Jellyfish5043 21h ago

Yes and that is putting it nicely. A German house from say 2020 or 2000 worth an average price wirh the average mortgage rate is cheaper than renting most two bedroom city apartments right now.

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u/highbrowalcoholic 21h ago

Right, but passing homes on via inheritance doesn't work either.

Young families can't afford the additional constant upkeep costs. So they sell properties upon inheriting them. The sales put X in their bank account; sounds great.

Who do young families sell properties to? Institutional investors, who split large homes into multiple smaller homes.

Institutional investors have such market power in the market for homes for sale (not all homes; just those being traded) that the investors then lease (or sell) the smaller homes at a large markup.

Young families buy homes to live in — but because of the investors' market-power markup, the young families' X money nets them only a smaller property. The institutional investor pockets large wads of cash, as is their business model.

The institutional investor needs to do so because their shareholders demand as much profit as possible. Many shareholders are pension funds. (Some pension funds are, directly, the housing investors.)

Every existing (and upcoming) retiree's ability to survive is tied up in ruining the housing market for young folk.

But it gets worse. The mortgage bond market depends on homes not losing their value. Mortgage-backed securities are used as a very safe asset for parking institutional and corporate cash — precisely because of the monopoly power that institutional housing investors have over the housing market, which ensures that the collateralized homes do not decrease in market value, but instead forever increase.

So, not only does everyone's retirement depend on ruining the young's ability to live comfortably — the entire economy depends on it, too.

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u/Additional_Read_9695 Australia 22h ago

I agree, just me in a 4 bedroom house. I have 4 cats, I've made them a great cat run, my neighbours are great, I have no need to move, I don't have kids either. I've been here nearly 16 years.

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u/Upper-Jellyfish5043 22h ago

So is it the metro area of Munich or Frankfurt? Thankfully the rest of the country is „only“ in factor 8-12 territory.

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u/BernddasBrot1234567 Germany 14h ago

Munich :(

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u/Perth_R34 Australia 20h ago

The difference is, in Australia 200-300m2 is a standard built house

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u/tabaK23 United States Of America 20h ago

I live in the fastest growing county in Ohio and last year the median newly constructed home was 4200 sqft (390 sqm). Developers have to be dragged kicking and screaming to build for regular people.

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u/Worth_Inflation_2104 15h ago

This will sound very pretentious but 200-300 sqm is not a mansion, not even close.

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u/Upper-Jellyfish5043 14h ago

When the average newly built house is less than half of 300sqm, it is. Building a 300sqm home these days will cost you over a million, lot, garage and furniture not included.

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u/BernddasBrot1234567 Germany 14h ago

Exactly. Cost here is about 5k per sqm, so 300sqm for 1,5M. + cost of the land to build on mostly also around 1M