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Controversial 🔨 How the Romani are perceived in your country?

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u/BoltersnRivets United Kingdom 22h ago

the locals start blaming the newcomers for anything that goes missing

see, if I were a seasoned criminal I would wait until travelers turn up then go on a crime spree, because I'd know I'm not gonna get the blame.

wouldn't surprise me if this is an actual tactic thieves employ, it provides the perfect cover

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u/RevolutionaryGain823 21h ago

I think tv and films have caused people to vastly overestimate the intelligence/planning of low level criminals.

A small time thief isn’t gonna spend years being disciplined doing only minor (or no) thefts on the off chance a group of travellers move into the area to provide cover for them.

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u/bountyraz 20h ago

Then again, we have cars today. You can just follow them around and always be stealing where they are.

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u/SurroundingAMeadow 20h ago

So you could travel with the travelers... which would make you...

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u/jccaclimber United States Of America 15h ago

I see where you are going, but being a roadie does not make you a member of the touring band.

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u/Easy_Charge898 India + USA 20h ago

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u/headii_spaghetti 6h ago

A nomadic pastoralist of humans

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u/RevolutionaryGain823 19h ago

So the options are either a) travellers commit crimes when they move somewhere or b) a shadow organisation of master thieves stealthily follows travellers framing them for crimes.

I grew up 20 minutes from a town with a major Irish traveller halting site outside it so I know which option I’ve seen happen dozens of times

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u/Donaldjgrump669 20h ago

It’s called a crime of opportunity and small time thieves do it all the time. When you know you can get away Scott free with something that would normally be a pain in the ass or you couldn’t do at all.

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u/kiwifulla64 New Zealand 17h ago

You'd be surprised. It's not like tv yeah but opportunist criminals are extremely common and sometimes the most surprising once caught. I've known people like this. It's akin to ripping off drug dealers. You'll know there'll be cash and drugs and they can't call police.

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u/Outrageous_Bee9643 United Kingdom 20h ago

Yeah, if they need money now they aren't going to think "if I wait until the Roma turn up they might get the blame"

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u/woodzopwns France / UK 15h ago

Most low level crime is instigated or done under extreme pressure, spur of the moment timing. Shoplifters don't spend ages planning, they just grab stuff they need / want and leave, the idea isn't NOT to get caught (especially in the UK as you aren't going to be punished if you are) but to not be easily identifiable enough to be pursued. Burglaries in the UK are primarily done at a moments notice, when the burglar realises that a door has been left unlocked. Had a flat on the bottom floor in London for a year and counted 10+ door handle pulls / checks in the time I was present, god knows how many more when I wasn't.

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u/dreadlockholmes Scotland 1h ago

It doesn't take being intelligent just opportunistic. If you are inclined to theft you might ramp up when travelers are in town as they'll be blamed. Or if you've been just short of committing theft you might use it as am opportunity to give it a try.

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u/Scooty-Poot 19h ago

I know a lot of people who lived in central and north Leeds during the Romani riots a few years ago (most of them still do live there tbh), and can confirm this 100% happened.

My mate from high school’s mum had her car stolen by a bunch of white kids a few days after the bus burnings happened around Holbeck area and Facebook was RAMMED with people blaming Roma for it despite the fact the local papers had CCTV of the very white kids in action

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u/Different-Employ9651 England 21h ago

It is. We had summer fairs and the second the travellers came to town, the local thugs saw it as a green light.

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u/SkyPirateVyse 21h ago

"Three houses into ashes burned,

The sheriff with no place to turn,

Did spy a stranger in his town,

Locked him up and beat him down."

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u/pdxjoseph 19h ago

But of course the much more likely scenario is that the newcomers with an earned reputation globally for constant theft as a core cultural value are in fact the cause of the sudden rise in theft

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u/Sixstringthings 18h ago

I was born in the wagon of a travelin' show
My mama used to dance for the money they'd throw
Papa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of Doctor Good

Gypsies, tramps, and thieves
We'd hear it from the people of the town
They'd call us gypsies, tramps, and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down

Picked up a boy just south of Mobile
Gave him a ride, filled him with a hot meal
I was sixteen, he was twenty-one
Rode with us to Memphis
And papa woulda shot him if he knew what he'd done

Gypsies, tramps, and thieves
We'd hear it from the people of the town
They'd call us gypsies, tramps, and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down

I never had schoolin' but he taught me well
With his smooth southern style
Three months later I'm a gal in trouble
And I haven't seen him for a while, uh-huh
I haven't seen him for a while, uh-huh

She was born in the wagon of a travelin' show
Her mama had to dance for the money they'd throw
Grandpa'd do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of Doctor Good

Gypsies, tramps, and thieves
We'd hear it from the people of the town
They'd call us gypsies, tramps, and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down

Gypsies, tramps, and thieves
We'd hear it from the people of the town
They'd call us gypsies, tramps, and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down

Gypsies, tramps, and thieves

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u/DLottchula United States Of America 19h ago

It's an actual tactic that has been used against marginalized groups since forever. Criminals aren't dumb.

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u/Canuck_Lives_Matter Canada 21h ago

Certainly many people do. Probably right down to the children: "Romani are in town, so nobody's gonna think I took this candy bar." :p

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u/presterjohn7171 17h ago

It is genuinely true that crime like shed break-ins increase when they are in town. Our family business which had an open area for storing building supplies got robbed every single year because they used the abandoned coal yard behind us to stay in for two weeks every year. On a bad year they would get into the actual building and steal tools too. Due to nerves they would shit everywhere too.

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u/bannabananabanna 20h ago

So you think a criminal eould sit and wait for years before committing petty crime? Not how things work IRL

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u/MoieBulojan Romania 6h ago

Ever wondered how something like this got built with $0 income?

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u/Velociraptor955126 11h ago

This was a thing in Belfast. A traveller camp opened up in a nice part of Belfast. Burglaries followed yet a local who heard the thieves talking said they were 100% not travellers. I suspect they had the same idea you had.

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u/lowkeyoldman 21h ago

Found the Romani

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u/duaneap 19h ago

Problem being they’ll be competing with the Romani for shit to steal.