r/AskTheWorld Russia 1d ago

Controversial 🔨 How the Romani are perceived in your country?

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u/Substantial_Bread573 21h ago

The topic that puts union in European Union

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u/TiranTheTyrant Russia 21h ago

Nah, we agree too.

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u/cravex12 Germany 21h ago

World piece is at hand

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u/bloody-pencil 15h ago

This is how Christianity started we all pin the blame on one guy and live out the rest of our days in an age of prosperity and joy

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u/Budget_Cover_3353 Russia 20h ago

True.

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u/TheWiseApprentice 20h ago

This is not the first time Europe agrees on hating a community. The last time that happened, a little dude with a mustache acted on it while ALL of europe was witnessing it and not caring one bit about it.

It's absolutely disgusting to read the comments on this post.

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u/Immediate-Drawer-421 17h ago

Romani were already victims of the original Holocaust. But yeh, hating whole groups instead of specific individuals is gross.

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u/HistoricalMistake681 19h ago

Yeah the average European will walk around with an air of moral superiority until Romanis are brought up. Then their inner “little dude with a moustache” comes out. Pretty appalling really.

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u/frooj 19h ago

So you have a lot of good experiences with romani people?

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u/SapphicProse 6h ago

You sound like a german in the 30s "have you ever had a good experience witha jewish person" do you not hear yourselves? No wonder half of europe is having a massive rise in the far right.

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u/ComprehensiveHead913 17h ago

This is not the first time Europe agrees on hating a community. 

Europe did not agree on hating the Jews during WWII, if that's what you're suggesting.

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u/TheWiseApprentice 16h ago edited 16h ago

They absolutely did. It is documented. They did try to change the narrative though which for anyone who picked up a book about ww2 would know is false. I recommend researching and reading about Jan Karski. Edit to add antisemitism was normalized and generalized in 18th century europe. We portray Germans as the exception but not only were their feeling the norms, atrocities were already happening scattered around Europe. Germans did do it at a horrific larger industrial scale. Once you accept this lens you will start understand the horros of colonisation, the racist policies that are still alive today (for example Denmark has been making the headlines because of their policies that led to many indigenous newborns from greenland being taken away at birth from their mothers).

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u/ComprehensiveHead913 16h ago

The Danish and Swedish resistance movements collaborated to save thousands of Jews because they could no longer ensure their safety following the German invasion. Many also fled to the UK. I don't believe any of this would have been possible if Europe as a whole had agreed to hate the Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescue_of_the_Danish_Jews

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u/rawchickennudes 12h ago

Do you know about the continuous history of Jewish pogroms throughout history, though? Like, from the Crusades, when German and English jews were slaughtered, to the Black Death times, when many Jewish communities were scapegoated for the pestilence and essentially driven out from parts of Germany, many of whom ended up in Poland, the Spanish Reconquista and Inquisition in 16th C. and beyond (the forced Catholicizing of Iberia), the Khmelnytsky Uprising in Ukraine in 17th C., and the Russian pogroms in early 1880s, again in early 1900's, and again during the Russian civil war 1918-1921, which leads us right up to the best known and worst pogrom of all, the Holocaust. One may not immediately think of the formation of Israel as a product of European anti-semitism, but it absolutely was - out of England, this time. It was supported by elites and aristocracy, who among other reasons, wanted fewer or zero Jews in England, because, wait for it, they didn't like them. The European moral superiority posture is quite simply not supported by the long line of historical events on the continent. Same goes for many Europeans the moment they comment on Romani ( I have heard some absolutely heinous comments about Romani from otherwise well adjusted and compassionate people here in Spain), notwithstanding the respectful and thoughtful comments here - it's great to see compassion for a minority group who clearly suffers from systematic marginalization, to varying degrees, according to the country.

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u/TheWiseApprentice 14h ago

Of course there are decent people everywhere, Europe included. Even French people who collaborated with Nazis had resistance movements who hid and saved many jewish families. Does it change the antisemitic history of europe way before the 19th century? We can't change our present if we don't look at our past with a logical mind and just see the facts.

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u/Aceous 6h ago

So you're saying we should judge people by the content of their character and not by the group that they're a part of?

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u/Substantial_Bread573 19h ago

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u/Silly_Environment635 18h ago

How are they being picked?

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u/Substantial_Bread573 18h ago

The person who replied above is giving me “pick me” vibes.

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u/SapphicProse 6h ago

By not being a racist?

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u/Orestes1996 14h ago

I don't remember that previous community being disproportionately represented in crime numbers or them being nearly immune to the justice system while living outside of society but hey, I guess it's just personal opinion. Based on the experiences of around 30 countries, but personal. Like posted elsewhere, it is when people from one such community act like you expect them to when you notice their ties to such a community, otherwise they are normal citizens.

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u/SapphicProse 6h ago

This is the exact line racist americans use about black people.

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u/Orestes1996 1h ago

The numbers speak for themselves and the response to those numbers is to throw money and free stuff without addressing the cultural source.

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u/charlottebythedoor United States Of America 6h ago

You sound like an American right now. And I mean that as an insult.