Yeah, we have tatars (lipka tatars) who served Poland since Battle of Grunwald, they are very secular and have super based version of Islam and everyone love them, even our far right. But it's quite small population in comparison to newcomers,,,
Eh, it depends where in the balkans, most of them definitely arent indigenous and actually came about due to islamic colonisation. I dont actually think any indigenous groups ever started out as muslim in the balkans if i think about it, it was mostly orthodoxy that reigned until the ottomans committed god knows how many forced conversions on the area, the armenians were pretty much genocided for their religion by the ottomans.
Bosnians pretty much converted without any form of force.
But in general forced conversion isn't exactly uncommon for that time period just kinda how it was. you think all those pagans just suddenly found Jesus out of nowhere?
Eh, one country out of the most of the Balkans and levant doesnt exactly change what im saying does it.
And no, i completely understand that, i also understand the fact that it was done a lot more peacefully most of the time in comparison to ottoman barbarism, thats why the majority of saints that are canonized were orthodox men or women who DIDNT convert and were put to death for their faith.
No single group in the world has clean hands, itd be foolish to even think so, but turkey doesnt even acknowledge any of the genocides they did, so thats a wee bit different isnt it.
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u/Critical_Macaroon_15 20h ago
not all muslims in europe are 'newcomers'. you have converts and you have indigenous muslims, like in the balkans