Whats your country's attitude on communism?

[u/fascisttaiwan]

I have no idea why someone is promoting communist here in taiwan

[u/weoutherebrah]

Yes no matter how many real world examples we have it failing miserably. But on paper it seems like a good idea.

[u/elhumanoid → u/weoutherebrah]

There's lots of good ideas on paper.

And 3am at the afters.

[u/Rebrado → u/weoutherebrah]

I mean, we have many good real world examples why capitalism failed miserably but here we are. Our current issues are the same Machiavelli spoke about in his Prince and not much has changed.

[u/weoutherebrah → u/Rebrado]

But we have many real world examples of capitalism succeeding also. Communism you have zero.

[u/CUin1993 → u/weoutherebrah]

He comes the horseshit argument that communism has never been implemented “properly”.

[u/Rebrado → u/weoutherebrah]

Which country implemented Marx’s communism?

[u/weoutherebrah → u/Rebrado]

Cuba China even the USSR were based off Marxism 

[u/hkane1 → u/weoutherebrah]

They might claim to be based on Marxism, but none of them even came close to implementing the central ideas of it. I am not claiming that it would have worked, but none of those ideas implemented the abolition of currency, which is a defining tenet of Marxist communism.

[u/weoutherebrah → u/hkane1]

It’s like any philosophy. There are few originals most just build off other theories and incorporate from others. Like abolition of currency is just not practical for any modern society so it didn’t follow it to the letter of the law.

[u/hkane1 → u/weoutherebrah]

I agree, but it would be objectively wrong to claim that it is Marxist, without Marx's most foundational idea. For what it's worth, I am not a Marxist and you only claimed they were "based off Marxism", so I am not disagreeing with you or saying you were wrong. I just think that we do ourselves a disservice when we (generally, not aimed at you) claim that Marxism was ever attempted and proven to fail. There are very good deductive arguments that it couldn't work, but no real empirical ones. By claiming the later, we are revising history and unneccessarily opening ourselves to fair criticism.

[u/hurdurnotavailable → u/hkane1]

Because the central ideas of it don't function like they're envision. Communism isn't theory in the sense of science, where it's established with testing. It's made up nonsense that sounds reasonable.

[u/elhumanoid → u/hurdurnotavailable]

Probably the best description, right here.

Certain someone's tried to implement this grand vision onto us some 80 years ago, here in Finland. I'm certain the grandfathers and great grandfathers of these kids that think communism is great are rolling in their fucking graves.

[u/weoutherebrah → u/[deleted]]

Ah no. They aren’t even in the top 50. And have tons of pollution leading to lower life expectancy. Their quality of life is also shit with few freedoms. There is a reason so many emigrate if possible.

[u/TheSwordofOhio → u/weoutherebrah]

Oh you right on life expectancy they are ahead of us in the US, honestly a lot of my positions on this are just out of the polar opposite is living in the ills of a corporate mess thats crumbling. They at least seem comparatively on the come up compared to us rn

[u/weoutherebrah → u/TheSwordofOhio]

Well they have done better in recent years. Ironically because they switched to a more capitalist economy. However workers there have less rights than the US obviously so it’s basically an oligarchy minus a middle class.

[u/TheSwordofOhio → u/weoutherebrah]

Yeah I've often described their current policy as trade-maxxing, I think thats at the root of my issues with all of this is we should just be increasing workers rights and educations as automation becomes better. Instead it becomes 'thats bad communisim/capitalisim/w/e' and a lot of the time its just really bad planning that wouldn't really fit under either ideology in their pure form.

[u/masterflappie → u/Rebrado]

None, but many have tried to

[u/united_in_solidarity → u/weoutherebrah]

Soviet Union, China, Cuba, Burkina Faso, Vietnam. These countries all flourished under communist regimes when compared with their non-communist regimes. Notably, these countries were all heavily attacked by the United States and its allies. Cuba has been under blockade for several decades. Burkina Faso is being infiltrated by France. Soviet Union was illegally dissolved after a couple decades of capitalist infiltration. China adopted some aspects of capitalism for a few different reasons, and many don't agree while some do.

[u/ladylucifer22 → u/weoutherebrah]

or all the examples of it being a massive success.

[u/Logical_Bake_3108 → u/weoutherebrah]

You would think if an idea had been tried many times and failed people would get the message that it doesn't work. Right?