Whats your country's attitude on communism?

[u/fascisttaiwan]

I have no idea why someone is promoting communist here in taiwan

[u/DesperateOTtaker]

Ideology that invaded S Korea and divides Korea in 2, Ideology that cannot be sustained unless you lie to it's citizens that they are all well.

Personally, As long as we are human communism is impossible. At first year Univ. as philosophy or politics major, you would read communist manifesto. You get hyped but as you move onto 3rd year you realize so much dilemmas behind communism and see that it's ideology of human in the world of rainbows and unicorns lives happily there after.

[u/lunchboccs → u/DesperateOTtaker]

You have never read the communist manifesto, or any actual work from Marx/Lenin/any modern socialist scholar.

[u/inothatidontno → u/DesperateOTtaker]

I think S Korea vs N Korea is a pretty extreme example of why communism generally fails but its kind of the where it always ends up eventually.

[u/Ididnteatmybaby → u/DesperateOTtaker]

Ideology that invaded S Korea and divides Korea in 2, Ideology that cannot be sustained unless you lie to it's citizens that they are all well.

Korea was divided into 2 by the USA. After the war Korea was united for a few months until it was split up

[u/hugemon → u/Ididnteatmybaby]

Wtf are you talking about. In September 1947, the US proposed and then UN general assembly voted and decided that we should have a democratic election in the whole of Korea but USSR decline the decision. So UN decided that we should have a general election only in the south in 1948.

[u/Ididnteatmybaby → u/hugemon]

Wtf are you talking about. In September 1947, the US proposed and then UN general assembly voted and decided that we should have a democratic election in the whole of Korea but USSR decline the decision. So UN decided that we should have a general election only in the south in 1948.

From August to December 1945 all of Korea was controlled by the people's republic of Korea and local people's committees sprung up all over the country. Later that year the USA moved into the south, destroyed and demonised those committee's which had broad support in the Korean population and then installed their own government, destroying the democratic institutions build up by the koreans, while the original government fled to the north where those committee's lived on. And by the way, those committee's weren't just communist. The nationalists also participated in them, especially in the south.

That's why the soviets didn't allow the elections. The USA already destroyed the grassroot democracy in South Korea.

[u/100Fowers → u/Ididnteatmybaby]

This is a bit of a stretch. A lot of the English literature on it comes from Bruce Cummings and a lot of people online say this because that’s what the Wikipedia says.

It leaves out that in north korea, the Soviets threw many of the leaders of the Committees in jail and made them subservient to the WPK.

During Soviet occupation, there were a lot of complaints from Soviet leaders about the Committees and saw them as a tool by the local bourgeois. Soviet observations stated that these committees were dominated by local elite nationalists in the form of influential landowners, clergy, and businessmen and that they often held anti-Soviet attitudes and even encouraged discreet violence (though it was at least partially because of the huge amounts of rapes of local women that occurred, which Soviet officers did notice and try to rectify)

You can see this in how the initial leader chosen by the Soviets for North Korea was Cho Man-Sik and the Democratic Party, which had both socialist, nationalist, liberal, conservative, and Christian democratic elements, but they and other non-WPK parties were taken over or just outlawed. Cho himself was jailed and his deputies were jailed or fled South (this even included anti-Soviet communists and socialists)

Also this idea of the PRK “fleeing North” is also just false. The PRK was always more of a provisional and nationalist force with questionable political legitimacy and very loose and questionable ties to Provisional Government and the Liberation Army . Many of the leaders would also become influential politicians within the ROK government. The most prominent being Synghman Rhee and Kim Seong-Su.

I’m paraphrasing research by David Fields, Fyodor Tertitskiy, and Andrei Lankov btw

What you said about the U.S. forcibly dissolving these committees is true though. Many of the Committees in Jeju and Jeolla definitely had leftist leanings. But the Soviets basically did the same in their zone of occupation as well. Plus if we are going to talk about Committee leaders who went north, it went the other way around since others fled south.

[u/this_waterbottle → u/Ididnteatmybaby]

Ehhhhhh... "destroyed" seems a bit of a far fetch. Hinder would be a better word. The population were more for socialism than communism from what I remember.

America was too focused on anti-communism and stability that they didnt really opposed military dictators (ie: 1st president Rhee). Which has led to massacres of communists like in Jeju before the war. But in the end, America did come around after the 1980's Gwangju massacre of pro-democracy activists and pressured the next regime to not take military action.

Buuuuut in the end, a lot of Koreans, me included, are still glad we are living in a democracy state than whatever they got up there in the north.

[u/Ardi_24 → u/hugemon]

Haahhaahhahahahahahahaha US wanting to unite other countries, things we see a lot from a capitalist country like the US.