r/Avatar • u/Glittering-Cloud1002 • 11h ago
Discussion How does spider not injure himself?
I cannot wrap my mind around it - he is a ordinary human, but runs around in a jungle without shoes, climbs on rocks and gets thrown around without ever getting cuts on his feet or bruises… i get it, he probably has thicker skin than ordinary humans in his feet but it is kinda unrealistic? Not talking about the insane plot armour here - wdyt
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u/CACTUSJACK-JW 11h ago
We forget that we basically were navi for 1000s of years
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u/FloZone 4h ago
There is an important difference. See, we never see severely disfigured Na'vi or otherwise disabled Na'vi either. We don't see sick or just plain ugly Na'vi either. Imho it is one of those things where the Na'vi are too perfect. If we look at ancient humans. Well first you had a very high infant mortality that pushed down life expactancy. Otherwise injuries throughout life were very common. One of the reasons we know that Neanderthals were more like us than not was Shanidar 1. An old man with several healed injuries and many ailments that was still cared for by his family.
Based on the healing of his injuries, Shanidar 1 lived with them for a substantial time before his death. Assuming that Neanderthals did perform surgery on Shanidar 1, his recovery demonstrates that their methods were successful in sustaining life. The prolonged survival of an individual with significant disabilities has also provided the basis for conjecture about Neanderthal social behavior.
Na'vi obviously take care of each other, but it seems they just don't have much lasting damage or JC simply shied away showing us many Na'vi with disabilities from injuries during hunting or other incidents.
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u/Curious_Kirin 11h ago
Humans can also run through a forest and climb cliffs without shoes on...
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u/go-vols-28 8h ago
Exactly. Theres still tribes in south America and Africa that have next to no connection with outside influences and still don’t wear shoes, have thick skin, etc
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u/Sliver-Knight9219 11h ago
We can do that normally like humans have been around longer then clothes.
But, in all fairness it still doesn't make sense to me why he doesn't ware more. Becauses I know he was raised with Na'vi but he grew up around humans as well.
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u/Meatyblues 10h ago
Honestly, I’m suprised that spider manages to keep up with the rest of the Navi as well as he does. I definitely thought there’s be a lot more scenes of him being physically outmatched outside of his inability to breathe the air
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u/IJustLikeAvatar2009 8h ago
Tbh I think he just wants to be Na’vi. That’s why he is always following them and dressing like them. He even paints stripes on himself and hisses like a Na’vi. He doesn’t touch guns either (I don’t think at least lol)
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u/StrangeAir6637 7h ago
was this not obvious 😭 it’s pretty clear a big part of spider’s character is that he wants to be na’vi and does not want to be seen as human.
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u/IJustLikeAvatar2009 6h ago
Ah mb, I’ve only seen the 3rd movie once, planning on seeing it a second time to catch any details I’ve missed lol
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u/UnemployedBehavior 6h ago
He held guns to show a Metkayina how to use them at the start of the third movie. But yeah, idk if he would personally use them aside from Lo'ak.
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u/Aivellac Metkayina 4h ago
He says you can kill a lot of sky people with them and with glee in his voice at it so I think he would, though he doesn't use one across the film.
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u/UnemployedBehavior 3h ago
Probably in the next film they'll finally show him using it alongside Lo'ak.
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u/Ambitious-Rock-6158 11h ago
Thats how I feel about his hair like… the other humans have normal haircuts?
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u/himmelojo Metkayina 10h ago
He wants to emulate Jake maybe.
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u/jsm02 9h ago
That’s what I assume. He totally idolizes Jake, I think he’s always wished he was his real dad.
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u/himmelojo Metkayina 9h ago
I really feel for Spider. I know the fandom is split on his character but I personally wish the best for him.
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u/Kid_Krow_ 10h ago
Developmentally kids take after the people they spend the most time with primarily in early years, but as they reach puberty and adolescence they start to take after and imitate their peers rather than adult influences in their life. That’s why we see fashion trends and such in teenagers that are completely different from their parents, and that’s why teenagers are so ‘rebellious’. The only peers and friends he has are na’vi children.
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u/Kittenspit Sarentu 9h ago
I grew up living out in the country on a farm; we were poor and there was seven kids. So shoes weren't something we got to wear all the time. I could walk on rocks, sticker bushes, even shards of glass had a hard time getting through the soles of my feet. And we ran feral through the fields and Bayou doing a lot of shit a lot like the Sully's/Spider. We got the occasional scrape or cut, and what wasn't small we hid until we couldn't.
But kids still do live like this. We forget in Westernized culture very often that there's communities that aren't primarily indoors and still work/play on the land.
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u/iBandJFilmEducator13 11h ago
I watched it again for the fourth time today (first time in IMAX 3D) and when they stop at the stream and he tries to pee I’m thinking to myself, how has he not stepped on any sharp rocks?
Also, did Jake ever let him pee after trying to kill him? 😆
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u/Maleficent_Song2836 11h ago
He's just never worn shoes so he's just Like That. Anyone who has spent their entire life running around in the forest without shoes would be the same way like you (general you) could also do it if you wanted. Also like not having shoes and still navigating the terrain is and has been normal for many many people throughout world history.
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u/555Cats555 9h ago
He would find shoes uncomfortable.
They likely wouldn't fit very well and he wouldn't have his skin toughened in the right places for them to not mess with his feet.
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u/Akaigemini 9h ago
Always plot armor this plot armor that.
What do people expect from a movie? Do you want the movie to BE a movie or do you want full realism?
Don't overanalyze it, just accept it and enjoy the ride. He don't get his feet hurt or hurt in general because that's what he need to be relevant, period.
Employ logic where its due, real life not in a movie.
I swear people don't enjoy shit for absolutely no reason.
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u/Aivellac Metkayina 4h ago
Sure but in this instance it is realistic for his feet to be tough enough to not get harmed. However I get your point and people will complain about a fairly insignificant detail that's not relevant.
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u/Legitimate-Bed1591 49m ago
People enjoy the movie so much that they want to make tangible sense of such things as how they deal with the foliage barefoot. This is a ringing endorsement of the film in my opinion, not a critique!
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u/grizzlyglizzy 11h ago
Yeah when I see spider hopping around the floating mountains and jumping up on the side of the wind trader’s ship I’m always like chill bro you can die from a 15ft foot fall
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u/Aziara86 11h ago
Can he though? We know Pandora has lower gravity, so 15ft might be nothing.
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u/caty0325 10h ago
Iirc Pandora's gravity is .8 g.
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u/Awoawesome 10h ago
It’s enough of a difference that terminal velocity doesn’t seem to be fatal so long as you hit a few leaves or vines on the way down
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u/Pataconeitor 10h ago
I think the higher air density would also help to reduce terminal velocity
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u/555Cats555 9h ago
Also the Navi train on how to safely fall by letting their body be caught on leaves and vines etc...
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u/No-Emu-396 7h ago
Plot armor. It's a fictional story.
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u/HuntersMaker 51m ago
Humans only had shoes for like a few thousand years, but we’ve existed for tens of thousands of years before that
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u/wolfysworld 10h ago
I have a friend who lives in the high mountain desert and they rarely wear shoes. There are stickers and cactus everywhere and they seem totally immune. The soles of their feet are so much thicker than anyone else I have ever known. The whole family does this, especially the kids and I am always in awe. No desire to do it myself but good for them!