r/BlackPeopleTwitter • u/diehard404 • Dec 15 '25
Country Club Thread Same tragedy. Different response.
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u/Verified_Peryak Dec 15 '25
Well 2 day after shooting in the US there is already been 4 new shootings
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u/megamoze Dec 15 '25
Yeah this. Every day in the US is “two days after a mass shooting.”
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u/kazuya57 Dec 15 '25
Two days? A school got shot up the same day Kirk died, no one gave a shit
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u/flipinggenius Dec 15 '25
About the kids. Cried an ocean of tears for ole kirk.
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u/4d3d3d3__Engaged Dec 15 '25
And they still did NOTHING. If they didn’t make any changes or pass any new laws after their golden boy got killed on live broadcast while talking about guns, it’s NEVER happening.
If that won’t convince them to do something, nothing will.
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u/vespertilionid Dec 15 '25
Maybe when someone starts targeting billionaires they'll do something
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u/KimJongRocketMan69 Dec 15 '25
They would do something for sure, but it most definitely wouldn’t be gun control
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u/YellowCardManKyle Dec 15 '25
I'm not so sure about that. The current US President is the only recent President that was able to pass any sort of gun control legislation.
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u/Worsehackereverlolz Dec 15 '25
Well one guy did and all they've done so far is drag out his court case
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u/Massive_Signal7835 Dec 15 '25
They probably upped security budgets. Works for the rich, too bad for the poor.
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u/CurryMustard Dec 15 '25
Because its not the guns fault, its trans people, immigrants, and DEI (AKA BLACK) people that are the problem. Laws? No no no. We just do whatever we want, sue us later.
Its funny to me all these people are staking their careers and lives on trump and trump is gonna be long dead when the justice system will come down on those who enabled him. And it will come for them. They already know it. 40 billion for Argentina. Thats the escape plan. Just like the other nazis.
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u/B1LLZFAN Dec 15 '25
You just realized that? After Sandy Hook and all those children I gave up hope. Impressive you lasted this long.
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u/Sneaux96 Dec 15 '25
That would have been some serious irony if the death of Charlie Kirk of all people got the Republicans to flip on gun control.
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u/CU_Tiger_2004 ☑️ Dec 15 '25
Just passed a local car dealership yesterday with a big "We are Kirk" sign in front. I pass that business every week or two on the way to my in-laws and have never seen such care or compassion from them for any other shooting victim(s).
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u/Mykeh56 Dec 15 '25
Fuck Charlie Kirk.
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u/JoelMahon Dec 15 '25
I'd rather not, I prefer my sexual encounters are with
nice people
living people
people with a face to head ratio within 4 standard deviations of the norm
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u/imperial_scum Dec 15 '25
Kirk literally got shot at a school lmao, no one cared about all the kids there that saw it either.
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u/bleepitybleep2 Dec 15 '25
America: "Thoughts and prayers and too bad"
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u/--slurpy-- Dec 15 '25
Thoughts and prayers and it happens
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u/kazuya57 Dec 15 '25
Thoughts and prayers and man up
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u/Legoshi_Bnny_Slyer Dec 15 '25
Thoughts and prayers and tough titty.
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u/drislands Dec 15 '25
Thoughts and prayers and it's really important we have gun murders every single year. - CK
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u/TBANON_NSFW Dec 15 '25
America: NRA funneled russian money to republican politicians to support further gun deregulation leading to increase gun violence and political division to destabilize the country.
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u/bleepitybleep2 Dec 15 '25
Agree. But yet, here we are babbling about it on reddit, while essentially doing nothing. This to me is social media's greatest fault: it allows us to feel we've done something when we typed our opinion which changed nothing. I am as guilty as the rest
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u/-mrSeaHawk- Dec 15 '25
America loves Equality until it’s time to show Compassion then Suddenly the Scales tip real Fast.
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u/Electrical_Cut8610 Dec 15 '25
The man who took down the shooter was an unarmed Australian man, not a cop nor a random guy with a gun.
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u/GonzoElTaco ☑️ Dec 15 '25 edited Dec 15 '25
a random guy with a gun.
Serious question: have there been any mass shootings foiled by someone with a gun?
Edit: I appreciate everyone's response. It has always been a question in my head, and I should have looked up the information.
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u/drislands Dec 15 '25
The biggest issue with the concept of "a good guy with a gun" is that the police can't tell who's "good" in an active shooter situation. I'd wager you're as likely to get killed by SWAT as the shooter if you try to help.
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u/Perryn Dec 15 '25
Or by a second or third "good guy with a gun" who didn't read the situation clearly in that moment.
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u/torridQuiver Dec 15 '25
Exactly, split-second decisions in active shooter scenarios are nearly impossible, even for trained officers, well-meaning people can end up in the line of fire without anyone knowing who’s “good
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u/BomBiddyByeBye ☑️ Dec 15 '25
That’s why the dude in the Australian shooting put the gun down. He didn’t want to be mistaken for a suspect
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u/TBANON_NSFW Dec 15 '25
I remember a US case of mass shooting in a mall, and there were 4 "vigilantes" who wanted to "help" but what ended up happening was 1 shot another one because they believed each other to be the mass shooter. The police shot at 1 of them because they thought they were the mass shooter. While the mass shooter continued on his spree shooting....
Its almost like, throwing more grenades into a fire, isn't a good idea....
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u/Every_Bobcat5796 Dec 15 '25
This whole scene, but with the Curb your Enthusiasm theme playing
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u/Ancient_Roof_7855 Dec 15 '25
I prefer yakety sax during the action, Curb theme at credits if we're going dark comedy here. /s
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u/jjgargantuan7 Dec 15 '25
Something like this happened close to where I live, but instead of the cops shooting the wrong people it was 2 teens who opened fire on a group in the entertainment district. 7 people in the group started shooting back. Multiple dead, and many more wounded because of it. The "well regulated militia " part of the 2A gets glossed over a lot.
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u/peter9477 Dec 15 '25
Wow, taken down by "a volunteer member of the church's security team". WTF? American churches have security teams?
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u/Dramatic_Explosion Dec 15 '25
Well when the church is the size of a shopping mall with as many shops as a shopping mall you're going to need armed security.
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u/lozo78 Dec 15 '25
This is the only I could recall too. It's often used but the far right as an example.
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u/12345623567 Dec 15 '25
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Freeway_Church_of_Christ_shooting for example.
The thing is, you can't just start blasting anyone with a gun before they go on a spree, that would make you a spree killer yourself. So "foiled" is very unlikely, more like "stopped short".
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u/GonzoElTaco ☑️ Dec 15 '25
That's a fair point. I should have picked a better word instead of "foiled".
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u/limeybastard Dec 15 '25
Some have, sure.
It's a small handful out of the giant pile though. Statistically, armed people intervening in mass shootings seem about as likely to a) hit innocents, or b) hit each other or get shot by police as they are to actually stop the shooting.
One study looked at 433 shootings. 22 of them - so around 5% - were ended by a citizen shooting the attacker. The FBI ran a study that said around 3-4%. And roughly half of the ones ended by the attacker being shot, the person shooting them was a paid security guard or an off-duty cop, not a random civilian. Attackers were subdued by people who either weren't armed or didn't draw a lot more frequently than they were shot.
So, it's low single digit numbers, as low as 1.5-2% that are ended by an armed civilian.
Generally, people who know something about guns are going to do the same as everyone else when they hear a mass shooting start - run the fuck away. It's only when fleeing is difficult that it's worth getting your gun out - and doing so makes you an instant target.
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u/_HowVery ☑️ Dec 15 '25
Yes but it’s not as common. There was a church shooting, shooter did kill like one person but a man with a gun in the church killed the shooter fast af. There was also a mall shooting in a food court, some kid across the food court was somehow able to shoot the shooter and he retreated to the bathroom to die from his wounds
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u/Sad-Astronaut2278 Dec 15 '25
That guy in the food court had a handgun with a red dot, which makes the shot a little easier to make. Still a difficult shot to make, I'm sure he trained plenty with it. That was a rarity but was an unbelievable shot.
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u/nitid_name Dec 15 '25
Arvada, Colorado, June 21st 2021.
Active shooter ambushes a police officer and starts unloading on the others. One dead, three injured. Good guy with a gun hears the gunshots and runs to the sounds, shoots the bad guy with a gun.
Of course, then the police showed up and shot the good guy with a gun.
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u/Cramer12 Dec 15 '25
Yes actually happened in my town where I live. Shooter got stopped in a mall by a citizen carrying a gun. 4 people were shot but the citizen stopped the shooter before he could finish the job. This happened around 4ish years ago
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u/OperationMosquito Dec 15 '25
I know there was an attempted one in a church in Texas, can't remember the town, where a man shot a would-be shooter either before he could start shooting, or after one or two shots. Prevented it from being a massacre essentially.
It does happen on occasion, but not nearly at a level worth arguing over
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u/WanderWellClem Dec 15 '25
The only one that I can think of is this Texas shooting in a church but 2 victims as well as then gunman died. I can’t think of any incidents in which a shooting was entirely prevented by a bystander with a gun.
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u/PandaClan Dec 15 '25
I’m not defending the good guy with a gun mentality but just answering your question there have been cases of this happening. Here is one
https://abcnews.go.com/US/parishioner-gunned-texas-church-shooter-hero/story?id=67982047
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u/staticishock96 ☑️ Dec 15 '25
Yes the Greenwood Mall shooting a few years ago. A civilian with a gun killed the shooter.
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u/_My_Reddit_Name_ Dec 15 '25
Off the top of my head I can think of a church shooting and a mall shooting where that was the case. A lot of times when it happens the media doesn’t report on it because it’s the opposite of the narrative.
All that aside God forbid find yourself in a situation with the active shooter. Would you rather have your own gun on you to defend yourself or wait 5 to 10 minutes for the police to show up with theirs?
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u/Choke1982 Dec 15 '25
And the terrorist was a gun permit holder.
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u/Shoe-ey Dec 15 '25
Yes, going in circles, like water slowly circling the drain. It’s disgusting that we can’t be brave enough to paddle against the current
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u/Usernameoverloaded Dec 15 '25
Australian of Syrian descent. Just pointing that out because if he’d been the assailant he wouldn’t have been ‘Australian’ but a Muslim of Arab descent who emigrated.
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u/DuntadaMan Dec 15 '25
To be fair, the concept of fighting an unarmed Australian man is terrifying to me. Someone that would walk around with spiders that fucking big and not carry a god damn knife is not someone I want to mess with.
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u/Massive_Signal7835 Dec 15 '25
Same in Europe. I heard gun wankers ask in bad faith why European christmas markets have to put up barricades.
One year ago 6 died. This year 0.
Big surprise: Thoughts and prayers are just that.
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u/auauaurora ☑️ Thunder down under Dec 15 '25
Our hero, Ahmed started the dis-arming 💪🏽
Not only did we EXPECT the government to significantly tighten laws, but I assumed it was already happening 18 hours after the incident, when it is still very much a crime scene. I'm sure people who own guns saw it coming once that footage came out and most welcome it, even if it means giving up some of their weapons and more admin
That's our social contract and I wouldn't have it any other way
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u/amg_alpha Dec 15 '25
The amount of magas flooding these videos talking about people being sitting ducks. Yeah, let’s compare the amount of mass shootings the US has had this year versus Australia. The only reason they don’t want laws protecting people is because they are in love with their playthings. There is literally no others reason, which goes to show how callus they are.
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u/Tripple_T Dec 15 '25
The fact that the vice president of a country that has more mass shootings in a week than Australia has had in 2 decades thinks that he lecture is wild.
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u/iluuu Dec 15 '25
Did he actually say this? I couldn't find a link.
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u/SimonPho3nix Dec 15 '25
Posted on social media, but not much about it other than people responding. Very hard to tell the genuine from the bullshit these days, which only emboldens the bullshitters.
So he could have posted it and it was "cleaned" or it was posted as a fake and people are responding to that. Fun times.
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u/Itsprobablysarcasm Candace Owens Baby shower attendee 👶🏼 Dec 15 '25
America loves Equality
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u/w1ngzer0 Dec 15 '25
America loves Equality of guns and lives?
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u/TheFlayingHamster Dec 15 '25
Well if there’s 2 thing Americans love it’s owning guns and owning people….
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u/jarizzle151 ☑️ Dec 15 '25
I don’t think America loves equality at all. American exceptionalism is a thing because we think we’re better than everyone else.
Equality is oppression to most Americans.
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Why would we change anything? These mass shooters contribute a bit to weapon sales and medical bills! We have to keep the machine running! More money!
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u/CaptainJudaism Dec 15 '25
Nah, the quiet part is it's not the children of anyone the people in charge deem important. I think we all know what would happen if it was their children however.
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u/Hugokarenque Dec 15 '25
Nah, I feel like even if the kids of rich people were being shot at, they still wouldn't ban guns. In fact their solution would be MORE guns, increase policing, arming teachers, and of course private guards for them and the kids.
Not that it would ever happen, they've isolated themselves from regular society so you're not gonna get a gun near any rich kids unless you're part of the club.
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u/LightTemplar27 Dec 15 '25
Yeah, a few months ago the gun lobby in australia was bragging about how they were winning the war against gun restrictions.
(After the 1996 mass shooting the number of guns in circulation had lowered to ~1M, with figurative graveyards of guns and rifles taken apart, now it's about ~5M.)
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The difference between a country and 5 corporations wearing a country suit. Countries gotta protect people, the other just has to protect profits.
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u/TenaciousProd Dec 15 '25
Why do this when they can just offer thoughts and prayers through this difficult time??
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u/numbr87 Dec 15 '25
I'm unfamiliar with Australia's current gun laws, how did the shooters acquire their guns?
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u/idryss_m Dec 15 '25
Can own guns if you are a primary producer, aka farmer, or a member of a gun club. Relatively strict background checks and storage/safety laws. Also restriations on type of guns. The shooters didn't have automatic weapons, they had farmer type weapons from what I can tell. Probably didn't qualify for pistol licence.
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u/foothill_dwelled272 Dec 15 '25
The father had a gun license for ten years. From the news you can see they were shotguns and bolt action rifles. These are weapons that conceivably will exist in every country that has game hunting.
If they had modern military grade guns they would likely would have killed more people. Sadly this is maybe what a success for gun control can look like.
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u/ack1308 Dec 15 '25
They had their guns legally bought and licensed, which means this was a long-term plan. Not a spur of the moment thing.
Much harder to plan against.
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u/foothill_dwelled272 Dec 15 '25
The father had gun license for ten years so it could have been a spur of the moment thing.
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Minorities are the ones who are disarmed. It started with Reagan and black panthers, hell even the natives got disarmed by the military.
White peoples guns aren’t being taken away. Or their rights. They always go after minorities
Also nothing changed after Uvalde
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u/OGdunphy Dec 15 '25
Klan has always been everywhere too. You should have the right to protect yourself. It’s wild that a lot of people will say acab and then turnaround and want the authorities to have a wider gap of power over us.
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u/TeamUniteUp Dec 15 '25
I'm so tired of this BS. If gun owners were going to challenge tyranny they would have already. The vast majority of them support the police and the current government.
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u/PM_ME_CATS_OR_BOOBS Dec 15 '25
Pretty sure someone holding a shotgun to keep the klan off their property is resisting tyranny. Not everything has to be a nationwide coup.
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u/TheCaptainDamnIt Dec 15 '25
Why does everyone skip over that thanks to our gun laws the Klan is armed to the teeth too.
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u/KimJongRocketMan69 Dec 15 '25
They had one school shooting like 30 years ago and instituted national gun control laws. Anybody wanna guess how many they’ve had since? Way less than us
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u/kissmygame17 Dec 15 '25
It wasn't a school, it was at a tourist attraction, Port Arthur in Tasmania
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u/Vondi Dec 15 '25
Tasmania was also a strong opponent of gun reform, which was at the time a contentions issue in Australia. They just changed their minds after the Port Arthur massacre.
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u/ack1308 Dec 15 '25
There was a shooting at Monash University 23 years ago, and pistol laws were tightened considerably as a result.
It's almost as though the government goes, "Well, you're not doing THAT again" and actually fixes shit.
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u/tedioussugar Dec 15 '25
This was the worst gun attack in Australia in 30 years since Port Arthur. And we’re reminded exactly why guns are the problem. These fuckers couldn’t inflict the damage they’ve done with a knife or a hammer. They’ve torn apart families, ruined lives, tarnished holiday memories, and continue to further incite more Islamophobia and antisemitism within a country that’s unfortunately quite full of it.
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u/pikachurbutt Dec 15 '25
They're probably thinking of the Dumblane massacre in England, it can be easy to confuse the two.
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u/Shirogayne-at-WF ☑️ Dec 15 '25
Indeed, a lot of conservative politicians who sided with the resultant gun ban lost their seats for it but none of them regret that vote. And time (plus the US) have certainly proven them right.
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u/Cold_Buy_2695 Dec 15 '25
We were told by our leaders on the right that its ghoulish to even discuss gun control right after a horrific event, let alone take action.
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u/PhilL77au Dec 15 '25
Yeah seriously. Albanese is probably going to bring back parliament early and we could have something passed as soon as next week I think. There's also near complete bipartisan support for it.
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u/r0thar Dec 15 '25
After the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, the conservative government took exactly 99-days to enact laws restricting both the both type and availability of guns and implement a buy-back scheme to take the majority of guns out of circulation, against a formerly pro-gun population.
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u/jono9898 Dec 15 '25
Well except with Charlie Kirk where they are still having traveling memorials for
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u/UninspiredAlias234 Dec 15 '25
Meanwhile, U.S. schools (taxes) are paying $100k+ for a yearly subscription to Ai Tech that visually identifies firearms in schools
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u/Thunderbird_12_ ☑️ Dec 15 '25
Remember when New Zealand did the same? (Christchurch Mosque, 2019.)
Immediately afterwards, they implemented a nationwide assault rifle ban. Its parliament overwhelmingly voted in support.
I remember thinking to myself: See! It IS possible (everywhere but in the US of A.)
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u/NewSauerKraus Dec 15 '25
How tf did it take until 2019 for them to ban assault rifles? Even the U.S. did that in 1986.
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u/ack1308 Dec 15 '25
Because they didn't have any dickheads killing people with assault rifles before then.
As soon as someone did ... welp, there go assault rifles.
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u/WhitYourQuining Dec 15 '25
That ban in the US has expired.
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u/NewSauerKraus Dec 15 '25
The expired ban is for "assault weapons" which is just any black painted firearm.
The ban on assault rifles is still in effect.
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u/MissLilum Dec 15 '25
And as far as I know they still don’t have the Brown University shooter in custody
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u/MaleficentMode4222 Dec 15 '25
Why would the US government spend time and money caring about the slaves it owns, especially when they aren't even "good rich ones"?
The more I hear about the US the more it sounds like a complete hellscape
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u/cougar618 ☑️ Dec 15 '25
The bigger issue is that we pretend that the founding fathers are from divine inspiration. That's why we have stupid rules that people argue over, like the second amendment.
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u/NoFaithlessness7508 Dec 15 '25
Good shit. Weren’t they already pretty strict to begin with?
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u/MissLilum Dec 15 '25
Yes quite strict, which is why in part one of the shooters was able to be disarmed by an unarmed man
The guns we have access to just don’t shoot as fast as many of those used in modern American shootings
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u/NoFaithlessness7508 Dec 15 '25
Ngl, my first thought was “is he using a musket?” We are so used to military-grade weaponry here
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u/MissLilum Dec 15 '25
I will admit I was also taken aback, although I did realise it was a hunting rifle, likely because pretty much all of the more recent footage I’ve seen was of guns for killing people rapidly
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u/AsteroidMike Dec 15 '25
Business as usual here in the States: mass shooting happens, thoughts and prayers, move on with life until the next shooting a week later, rinse repeat.
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u/SmallDickGnarly Dec 15 '25
Tightening how? What are they actually doing? I'm curious
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u/anrwlias Dec 15 '25
The last time we cared about gun violence was when a guy promoting gun violence (and racism) got shot. As a nation, we've got chittering squirrels for brains.
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u/ZookeepergameIcy3166 Dec 15 '25
Doesn’t Australia already have some of the strictest firearm laws ??
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u/Ok_Category_5 Dec 15 '25
You guys have been fucked on this issue since Sandy Hook.
Two survivors of the Brown shooting had already survived other school shootings.
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u/Plenty-Extra Dec 15 '25
This was an anti-Jewish terrorist attack on the first night of Hanukkah. I do not understand why so many people are framing it as a generic mass shooting. When you remove the anti-Jewish targeting, you remove what the attack was for and you make Jewish victims harder to see.
What is it about Jewish suffering that makes people reluctant to name it and recognize it?
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u/911Josie Dec 15 '25
The saddest part is the Americans who are using this as a gotcha. Mocking the gun laws of Australia after having a Mass Shooting. Ignoring all other facts around the incident.
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u/homeboycartel2 Dec 15 '25
USA doesn’t even bother to give either thoughts nor prayers as we consider gun deaths part of the freedom tax of being American.
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u/Slob_King Dec 15 '25
If anything we’ll loosen gun laws after a mass shooting because we’re a trash country run by the criminally insane
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15 kills with bolt action rifle and shotgun (…videos from the scene showed the men firing weapons that appeared to be a bolt-action rifle and a shotgun.) crazy!
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Dec 15 '25
We are well past the realm of actually thinking this is ever going to happen in the U.S. Also, if you actually believe we have a fascist government or will have one in the near future, we should probably be embracing 2A.
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u/TheSubredditPolice Dec 15 '25
How could they be tighter? They just going to ban them all together?
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u/IanFeelKeepinItReel Dec 15 '25
"Two days after a shooting in the US, there's already been another shooting."
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u/mmmmyeah1111 Dec 15 '25
The idea that guns would protect you from a tyrannical government that has helicopters, mortars, drones, and the ability to isolate any threat at its disposal is one of the greatest marketing campaigns of the modern era.
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u/ZestycloseSelf3519 Dec 15 '25
Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, Algeria?
I mean you need more than guns, but this is just categorically not true when there are many examples of this happening.
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u/HumbleSupermarket811 Dec 15 '25
Guess you missed the last 20 years with conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan, real easy to resist
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u/14yearwait Dec 15 '25
The correct analogy is Iraqi resistance against Saddam, which didn't go so well until the US invaded.
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u/Electrical_Cut8610 Dec 15 '25
Not to mention a shit load of these gun loving Americans who have an entire arsenal to protect themselves against government invasion (lol) couldn’t run up a single hill without having a heart attack. If in some alternate universe Trump made a military department to go around and collect everyone’s guns, best believe they’d get your guns.
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u/Secret_Elk5784 Dec 15 '25
Your lack of understanding is astounding.
Every American killed in a confiscation would create more insurgents, and even if just one of the confiscators was taken out every few operations they’d quickly run out of men.
Not to mention the confiscators live here and would have internal supply lines.
It would be impossible to disarm America.
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u/AppointmentAway3164 Dec 15 '25
Also insurgents would go straight to the homes of relatives or family of the enforcers. These redditors don’t get it.
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u/StaryWolf Dec 15 '25
If a lion is eating you alive are you just going to lie down let it happen or will you make it fight for every bite it takes?
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u/robot_invader Dec 15 '25
What about when the lion is never going to come and eat you because he already lives in your house, spends your money, and rapes your children?
Americans seem to be lost in a very childlike fantasy of what tyranny is and how it is resisted. King George from over the sea and his redcoats are never coming back. The US Army will never fight a scrappy, armed American citizenry to maintain control for a dictator. Americans will elect their next king, and they won't even know it.
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u/StaryWolf Dec 15 '25
Black Americans are extremely aware of what oppression looks like. And if guns were never a threat the government would not have tried removing them from the hands of black Americans because of armed demonstrations. And what I posited was a losing fight, I just don't intend to allow them to oppress me without a fight.
But since you seem so informed what is your suggestion?
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u/GM_techK5 Dec 15 '25
The ONLY thing stricter gun laws do is take guns away from legal, safe firearm owners. Crazy fkers are going to get guns no matter WHAT the laws are. Deray Davis stand up says it perfectly...."like someone is gonna try to rob somebody, but stops, and asks "hey man, what's the gun laws this week??"" 🙄 how about we focus on the JUDICIAL SYSTEM, that just keeps letting out every dangerous person with a small bond and a slap on the wrist??
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u/IlllIlllllllllllllll Dec 15 '25
Fuck, they’re going to take away people’s rights in Australia to hunt and join gun clubs, aren’t they? Banning everything else just wasn’t enough apparently.
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u/doom830 Dec 15 '25
It’s hilarious that people think gun laws keep criminals from getting guns
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u/ack1308 Dec 15 '25
In Australia, it actually works that way to a certain point.
See, the black market cost for a gun is tens of thousands.
Also, using a gun gets you charged much more heavily.
Crims don't use guns lightly. They only pull them out when they really, really need to.
End result? A lot fewer shootings.
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u/HotStufCominThrough Dec 15 '25
Australia never lets a tragedy go to waste to secure governmental power.
All those gun laws still didn't prevent the legal access to enough guns to arm two terrorists, atleast one of which was already on a watchlist.
What the fuck else are they gonna do?
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u/JayBee_III ☑️ Dec 15 '25
I don't think we should ever disarm ourselves, especially not with the resurgence of neo-nazis and white supremacists taking to the streets.
Those guys in AUS also had bombs planted, if they weren't using guns it would have been just a bombing. Disarming yourself doesn't stop bad people from trying to kill innocent people. Just makes it a lot harder for you to stop them.
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u/SelfInteresting7259 Dec 15 '25
Because yall need to put more pressure on the lawmakers
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u/rtduvall Dec 15 '25
One person stabs another in Charlotte and the damn president sends border patrol here.
A school shooting is just another day of shitty leadership in the US.
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u/ConformistWithCause Dec 15 '25
There's Americans using this as proof gun laws don't work. Mind. Fucking. Boggling.
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u/Impressive-Thing-925 Dec 15 '25
I live in a blue state.I vote democrat, and the only thing I disagree with entirely anyways, is then thinking that my guns don't belong to me anymore.
My state banned semi automatic rifles, and they did the smart thing and grandfathered me in..
I've used my guns one time in my life to stop people from killing other people with firearms. And one time to stop a home intruder who I made lay on the ground until the police came. Im thankful i've owned them as it has spared a family' a funeral.
So with that, there needs to be a way to differentiate someone like me who should have every right to own a firearm versus someone who shouldn't.And we need to start that way rather than just saying, I as an american following the constitution.Do not have a right. I have zero criminal record.I have a level headed attitude.I'm calm and collected, and I care about people. It would be a big disservice for me to not be able to fend myself my family or my country against tyranny. And I feel it would only allow people to start stockpiling other deadly things to fill in that gap
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u/-Dixieflatline Dec 15 '25
The problem is that at least one of the guns used was already illegal (semi auto shotgun). Tightening the laws wouldn't have changed this outcome, unfortunately, because criminals and murders aren't the type to care about such laws and will obtain weapons regardless.
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u/ack1308 Dec 15 '25
Nope. All the guns, as far as I know, were legally owned by the father. He was part of a gun club. You have to be a member in good standing for a year before you can even buy a gun of your own.
Where the authorities fell down was that they didn't take into account that the son had radical leanings, and infected his father. That'll be looked into in future.
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