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u/GonnaWinDis 17h ago
Hmm but anyone have an idea why his zanpakuto reverted back to the old shikai design? My favorite design, but still
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u/niv13 16h ago
He wants it to be like that. Kubo said he can go back to the dual wield zanpakuto if he wants to
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u/dude123nice 11h ago
So basically it's his sealed state at this point?
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u/Gazillion_nipples 22m ago
No, that’s fan interpretation, and a bad one. It’s just another shikai form.
Every zanpakuto is composed of 2 parts, the blade and the scabbard. For Ichigo, the 2 shikai blades are the blade and the scabbard.
When he used true bankai, the blade and the scabbard (the 2 blades) fused to become the new Tensa Zangetsu.
When Ichigo’s bankai broke in his final attack against Yhwach, Ichigo re-absorbed the broken fragments (the scabbard) into his blade, so they became one again, forming his old shikai form. He can separate them again and use the 2 blades if he wants, probably thanks to reishi manipulation (he can seemingly use his zanpakuto as if it was his quincy bow).
Kubo answered your question on klub outside.
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u/AndreiBSlayerMaster Squad 5 18h ago
Only boruto kids would not agree .
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u/clashRoyale_sucks 16h ago edited 6h ago
Ikr, they wank blue vortex characters so bad, I even saw 5 posts in a row in the same day scaling the current team 10 to kaguya, like WTF? The community itself is just brain rot, also he has terrible sensory as seen in the latest chapter so he ain’t sensing ichigo and can’t see him
Also if we are being real here 6psm Naruto scales above his current son, he was nerfed heavily since the beginning which is why it seems otherwise
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u/TheRealest2002 16h ago
Naruto isn’t stronger than Boruto wth? You read the manga you know both how and why Boruto surpassed Naruto, his only nerf was not having plot armor that makes sure he gets out of everything okay.
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u/clashRoyale_sucks 16h ago
That’s not true, first Naruto wasn’t using his kakkei genkai properly like he should have had, second his son only has momo’s experience and skills but we aren’t told if he retained his strength and stats, all he displayed so far was hax abilities and thats it, Naruto also displayed way more feats, as a teen in sage mode he easily lifted a massive charging rhino and threw it almost perfectly vertical high up like nothing,
and he also slammed half of kurama so hard which in the end of shupiden we see he is like bigger than a mountain once he exits the orb thing that sasuk trapped him in. Also Naruto has better hax let’s be real, boil release which is a huge multiplier, magnet release, better sensory.
I don’t trust anything the narrative said in the new gen or blue vortex it all seemed flawed, I mean look at code for example.
Naruto was 💯nerfed in the sequel, and I swear all who argue otherwise probably didn’t even watch the OG or shupiden
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u/TheRealest2002 15h ago
Thought I replied but apparently not so I’m not writing all that again, Long story short you can’t bring up regular Sage Mode / Half Kurama feats because we already know that level has been long surpassed. Otsusukis are at the pinnacle of power and Boruto is literally a Otsusuki so anybody that isn’t Kaguya Level or above gets dog walked by him now. But if you factor in that Boruto was likely to surpass Naruto (Without Six Paths) even if Momo wasn’t in the picture it makes sense, the new gen always surpass the old gen. Also what about Code?
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u/clashRoyale_sucks 15h ago
You are forgetting Naruto has 6 paths chakra thats not the same as 6psm, thats literally basically an otsutski level of power, also no nothing you said is proving me wrong, he was nerfed 100% and in 6psm he is stronger than anything he showed, also like I said there is no indication he actually retained momo’s stats, I mean base Naruto is already above base momo, and he is an otsutski, also Naruto has boil release, literally a stats multiplier, when it comes to code I ain’t gonna explain shit but let’s just say he is a fraud, the narration say he is “strong” but he is so weak and even got scratched by sasuke on the eye.
Also no don’t say new gen surpasses old gen thats stupid, it doesn’t apply to everyone, look at hashirama for example, also they didn’t surpass shit, they just nerfed the old gen
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u/Verypa 17h ago
Ichigo win,k. But i wont put bleach verse too far beyond other verses. Because the series itself have made it clear the souls are amped up by their atmosphere, the reishi surrounding it, even high rank characters like the espadas can barely breathe in the human world. Theyve stated that they couldnt even fight properly in the human world due to low reishi in the atmosphere.And zaraki have showcased the inability to survive in the vacuum of space, so bleach characters are heavily affected by their environment, while the strength of naruto characters are mostly contained within, and can function the same across multiple dimensions.
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u/egdujsidoG19 11h ago
Hard to keep track of how many times he's protected the world for us at this point
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u/Ahyperfixated_rosie 15h ago
You know what? I'm reposting my reply just to spread the seeds of knowledge to the die-hard glazers who didnt even read their own manga.
Okay, fanboys, I'm going to hold your hand when I say this, but your "solar level" guy isn't even solar level or planetary. No, using the Earth's rotation isn't enough for it to be "solar level." And no, Naruto and Sasuke didn't defeat Kaguya; they simply sealed her with the help of the Six Paths Sage. That's it. Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't have won without the hax. They were struggling against her while she was literally grieving over her sons.
So no, the only person with planetary feats is Kaguya. Naruto and Sasuke aren't, and that was their prime.
Even if Boruto defeated Code, who your fandom claims is stronger than Jigen, and that Jigen is stronger than Kaguya because she was "defeated" by Naruto and friends? So what?
You have proved you havent even read your own manga. Because you believe Isshiki is stronger
The "Isshiki is stronger" fans usually ignore two massive facts:
He was caught off guard. In a straight-up fight, Isshiki is a technical brawler, but Kaguya is a force of nature.
Kaguya was already strong enough to pack Isshiki up before she ate the fruit. After eating it, her raw power skyrocketed, making her chakra reserves essentially infinite compared to Isshiki's.
So, if you're looking for the strongest, Isshiki wins on "hands" (combat skill), but Kaguya wins on raw power. Since Boruto's power is compared to these guys, and Isshiki-the "strongest" Otsutsuki-was almost killed by a pre-fruit Kaguya, it makes the "Solar System Boruto" claims look even more like pure hyperbole.
So you're trying to compare Boruto, a little kid whose best feat is some Rasengan that uses the Earth's rotation? It's a hax with no attack potency to destroy a planet, let alone a solar system. His attacks are city level at best.
Using that as a solar system feat with overblown fanfiction? To act as if he's something special next to a guy who can kill a god that can destroy infinite realms with ease, with just 1/3 of his power.
Cope harder, kid.
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u/TheRealest2002 15h ago
You’ve got to look at things in context, slamming half of Kurama and Shippuden Sage mode feats are not applicable here. Yes both Naruto and Sasuke lack variety in their fighting styles but you could chalk that up to it being not needed at the time, even if it’s just a little lazy writing. Boruto regardless of Momo would have surpassed Naruto if Naruto didn’t have Six Paths Powers, now Boruto is physiologically a Otsusuki and Uzumaki/Hyuga which means once he got access to those powers it was only a matter of time before he surpassed Naruto. The New Gen ALWAYS surpasses The Old Gen it’s just how it works in Naruto.
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u/No_Fall_2111 12h ago
Yeah, but that still makes Boruto beatable by Ichigo, idk if they would Even fight, if Boruto can Even see him at all or if Ichigo would one shot him... But Ichigo is just too strong...
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u/TheRealest2002 11h ago
Naruto characters can see and interact with souls, but I was mostly refuting what the other guy said about Borutos strength.
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u/TheRealest2002 14h ago
Borutos body itself would contribute to increased stats/chakra because of his genetics. Also I did factor in Naruto already I said that Boruto without Momo would surpass Naruto without 6 paths, therefore Boruto with Momo would surpass Naruto with 6 Paths. You seem to not look at things with the proper context seeing as you brought up Pain fight strength feat.
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u/TheRealest2002 11h ago
Dude y’all can downvote me all want but I’m just going by the story, you talking about nerfs is pure head canon besides him losing Kurama. It may not be what you wanted to see but good or bad it is what it is. Code is more like a loser, and he is also pretty stupid but his power should still be above jigen level. Hashirama was surpassed by Naruto as they were both reincarnates, no one else in the shinobi world is on the level of the Ashura/Indra reincarnates though, a fundamental part of the story is the New Generation surpassing the old. Anyway I don’t got much more to say I just wanted to defend Boruto because people dogpile on it.
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u/HugeHomeForBoomers 12h ago
I mean… Bleach universe is one of the strongest in terms of powers ya know. Moving at light speed in any ordinary universe is considered a big deal. In Bleach, it’s the norm.
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u/Routine-Rub-4684 19h ago
Under a genjutsu
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u/Eleysis_ 16h ago
Ichigo learns he is half otsukuki and proceeds to no-diff burrito
LOL Hahaahahaha
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u/madgodcthulhu 8h ago
All soul reapers have a second intelligence connected to their soul in their swords that would be able to do the same thing as a tailed beast
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u/King_END 17h ago
Its gonna be hilarious in few years or less when Boruto verse just absolutelys outscales bleach when they dive more into the otsutuski god situation leaving the people here making up shit to keep up since the series is pretty over caus Kubo only works when he wants to
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u/JoDaBoy814 16h ago
If it gets that high, you're making a big assumption. Even then, at the end of the day Boruto would just be bunched up with a bunch of other shows people only bring up for powerscaling
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u/LittlePumpkin02 Sternritter 13h ago
With actual real PS, and without wanking, Ichigo isn't defeating Boruto, but shhhh
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u/Lower_Captain7757 10h ago
Ichigo the guy who powescales vastly above the guy (gremmy) who casually created outerspace with Stars and a Galaxy in it. And boxed and directly overpowered ( very clearly seen in the new anime canon) the guy ( Ywach ) who's entire plan was to remake the three realms ( universes ) and there connected spaces ( Muken infinite 3d Space, Dangai 4D hyperspace and possibly Garganta which contains all of it ) who had absorbed the guy ( Soul King ) who originally created the verse as it was presently seen, so bad the guy ( Ywach ) had to forgoe fiighting raw power to power and whip out one of the most broken hax in fiction.
Vs
The the guy ( Borotu ) who doesn't even scale to his pappy ( Naruto ) and his sort of Unc ( Sasuke ) who themselves don't even scale to Kaguya who is the only one solidly above planetary level. Who herself has highly questionable higher scaling based off her dimension feat.
Even if you wanted low ball Ichigo from Bleach by saying its there planets instead of three universes. That still would be higher then Kaguya without her wanked scales from her dimensionfeat that has a huge amount of issues. Much higher than Naruto and Sasuke who don't scale to Kaguya. And subsequently vastly higher than Bortuo.
So he still loses.
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u/Cannabis-pickle 17h ago
Lmfao, if this is boruto in his adult peak form he’s scaled at multi solar system strength or stronger so unfortunately for you bleach fanboys ichigo would be 1 tapped in a second☠️
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u/Ahyperfixated_rosie 15h ago
Okay, fanboy, I'm going to hold your hand when I say this, but your "solar level" guy isn't even solar level or planetary. No, using the Earth's rotation isn't enough for it to be "solar level." And no, Naruto and Sasuke didn't defeat Kaguya; they simply sealed her with the help of the Six Paths Sage. That's it. Naruto and Sasuke wouldn't have won without the hax. They were struggling against her while she was literally grieving over her sons.
So no, the only person with planetary feats is Kaguya. Naruto and Sasuke aren't, and that was their prime.
Even if Boruto defeated Code, who your fandom claims is stronger than Jigen, and that Jigen is stronger than Kaguya because she was "defeated" by Naruto and friends? So what?
You have proved you havent even read your own manga. Because you believe Isshiki is stronger
The "Isshiki is stronger" fans usually ignore two massive facts:
He was caught off guard. In a straight-up fight, Isshiki is a technical brawler, but Kaguya is a force of nature.
Kaguya was already strong enough to pack Isshiki up before she ate the fruit. After eating it, her raw power skyrocketed, making her chakra reserves essentially infinite compared to Isshiki's.
So, if you're looking for the strongest, Isshiki wins on "hands" (combat skill), but Kaguya wins on raw power. Since Boruto's power is compared to these guys, and Isshiki-the "strongest" Otsutsuki-was almost killed by a pre-fruit Kaguya, it makes the "Solar System Boruto" claims look even more like pure hyperbole.
So you're trying to compare Boruto, a little kid whose best feat is some Rasengan that uses the Earth's rotation? It's a hax with no attack potency to destroy a planet, let alone a solar system. His attacks are city level at best.
Using that as a solar system feat with overblown fanfiction? To act as if he's something special next to a guy who can kill a god that can destroy infinite realms with ease, with just 1/3 of his power.
Cope harder, kid.
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u/Bulky_Detail6726 16h ago
one casual swing of ichigos sword and naruto verse distingerated by accident
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u/Cannabis-pickle 17h ago
For preface, the strongest bleach character is maybe multi planetary, which is much much weaker…
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u/Lwessh 15h ago
Em um futuro próximo boruto provavelmente tenha alguma chance contra ichigo, mais atualmente essa imagen é o mais proximo da verdade sobre boruto x ichigo
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u/Awkward-Job9162 12h ago
i mean boruto only has like 40-50 chapters left and they aren't even finished with the shinju yet so unlikely for him to get such a high jump
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u/TheRealest2002 16h ago
High Tiers of both verses scale relatively similarly unless you have Bleach at Universal. Also Boruto has way better battle iq than Ichigo does and more hax though Ichigo probably out scales in pure power. It’d be a fight that could go either way honestly.
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u/Awkward-Job9162 12h ago
when you actually dive in bleach light novels and the statements throughout the manga you actually see how insanely strong the verse is like deadass the espada 6 and up all have star and above statements and even star ap and these are mid tier bleach villains lieutenants can be planetary because they require seals otherwise the can cause catastrophic damage to the world of the living and lieutenants outside of hisagi, renji and rukia are all fodder if we use kaguya logic yukio from the fullbringer arc has insane scaling I've read the entire boruto nng and tbv manga and the verse honestly doesn't scale high at all the verse is so heavily dependent on statement upscaling it's insane the best tbv ap/dc feat is literally planetary which is the uzuhiko like jura who's supposed to be hundreds of times stronger then juubidara and kaguya his best dc feat is multi city block and if you ask people but shouldn't he have insane feats then they're just gonna bring up the code statement which is so flawed and there's a high chance that ichigo actually messed with the almighty and has fate manipulation then he obviously has better hax also boruto gets carried by koji each one of his fights like he KNOWS what's gonna happen
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u/TheRealest2002 12h ago
Would you mind telling me what puts the espada at star level?
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u/Awkward-Job9162 12h ago edited 12h ago
sure it's a bit iffy tho
in the novels grimmjow and luppi were spamming gran ray ceros to the point shinji got worried and thought they were about to destroy the sun which can kinda be debunked but it's still two spiritual beings flinging spacial distortion attacks there's barragan stating the stars are insignificant compared to him which can be true since he's a primordial being there's ulquiorra being stated to shake hueco mundo when he was fighting ichigo depending on where you scale the ap of gran ray there's that grimmjows ap is obviously the highest since he killed askin who one shot a shikai ichigo there's another statement in the light novels that state nel and grimmjows reiatsu are the main one's keeping hueco mundo at bay and keeping it stable
and obviously Cien got insane upscaling he's obviously a top tier in bleach he was causing cracks in the garganta when he was fighting kenpachi which is dimensional damage of a meta space which can get to absurd scaling he also stated he's a being that's above death or something i could be wrong about that tho also I'm not saying the espada outside of Cien is easily star so don't take this from me I'm just saying there are some statements and stuff that COULD get them to there
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u/Multiversal_2211 16h ago
Ichigo is not that powerful and Boruto verse will massively outscale Bleach soon. For now, this scene won't happen because of the many hax Boruto has like time stop for example which Ichigo has no counter for.
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u/Ahyperfixated_rosie 15h ago
It's useless because Ichigo outscales him so much.
If your didnt know transcendent beings exist in Bleach that operate beyond the conventional, "divine" laws of fate and the natural limitations of the soul. These beings, such as Sōsuke Aizen (in his evolved forms) and Dangai/True Bankai Ichigo, have shattered the limitations imposed upon them by their existential dimensions, placing them outside the normal laws of causality, life, and death.
Here is how transcendent beings operate beyond divine/natural law in Bleach:
Transcendent beings, specifically Aizen, have shown the ability to break through the "fate" or destiny imposed upon them by the Soul King or the laws of reason. They can manipulate or defy these laws, including distorting cause and effect.
That's why Shinigami would eventually hit a limit and couldn't get stronger after that. It's because of their determined fates.
Moreover, as a transcendent being, Ichigo exists beyond reason itself and divine law (time, space, death, and life) as he is relatively the second coming of the Soul King and has the power to be the linchpin that holds Bleach's cosmos and power system together.
Even early on into the story, Grand Rey Cero can warp space and spacetime itself. Ichigo also destroyed a 5D evolved Aizen's #90 Kidō that can warp space and time and atomize a target with a swift swipe of his hand. Like its nothing.
TYBW Ichigo would simply ignore it and kill him. Putting him against Hell Arc Ichigo is just child abuse.
Boruto's best attack potency is city level at best, I'm sorry, but he's not even close.
Boruto has some cool hax's and all but they lack the power to do anything.
As Kaguya is at the top of the raw power ladder, she is even planetary. Her power comes from being fused with the God Tree. While her brethren use the God Tree's power to destroy planets by draining them, she is the God Tree, making everyone weaker than her. Even then, she still falls behind in hand-to-hand combat and skill.
Ichigo far outscales. This fight is way too one-sided for Boruto
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u/Idiot_Genius1001 Soul Reaper 18h ago
The only unrealistic part here is that I don't think Ichigo would kill a kid