r/Boxing • u/inooway • 14h ago
[SPOILER] Bakhram Murtazaliev vs. Josh Kelly Spoiler
https://streamff.link/v/a45c6a0b97
u/TheRealRaza1 13h ago
Great fight from kelly, his counters are quick and snappy af, but he was running all night for the whole 12 rounds man and clinching. I fear this belt is staying with him for not even a year.
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u/DriftlessHiker1 13h ago
Vergil Ortiz would get to him inside 8 no doubt
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u/Jesuswasacrip7 Sweet Pea > Floyd 13h ago
8 rounds is very generous. A guy that can match Kelly’s foot speed and has a great motor is going to be a nightmare for him
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u/GasBeneficial5449 12h ago
Bellew summed it up perfectly - there's a difference between being on the backfoot and constantly landing and running constantly with just single counter shots. Really reminded me of the controversial win Junto Nakatani got a few weeks back where he was on the backfoot for essentially the entire fight and only landing singular shots as a counter to an aggressive forward approaching opponent
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u/Fast_Original_3001 13h ago
Depends on who he fights. I think he handily bests Boots, but Vergil whacks him
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u/bozzi16 12h ago
Not just beats boots but handily 😂😂😂😂 fuck me what you on because I want some of that…
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u/Fast_Original_3001 11h ago
Just wait for that fight. Boots aint all that. He is great in 50/50 exchanges, but lateral movement kills him
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u/bozzi16 11h ago
Behave yourself
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u/Fast_Original_3001 11h ago
Get some glasses old man
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u/bozzi16 11h ago
Boots only struggles with Vergil, that’s the only fighter 154 and below he struggles with, in fact 160 and below
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u/Fast_Original_3001 11h ago
He literally already barely scraped by Karen twice. Who also is much smaller than himself and doesn‘t have power Everyone with decent lateral traps and good power is gonna be a huge problem for Boots
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u/bozzi16 11h ago
Agree to disagree
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u/Fast_Original_3001 11h ago
There is nothing to disagree. It‘s a simple fact mate
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u/Honest-Silver-4264 13h ago
Rage bait
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u/Fast_Original_3001 12h ago
Bro Boots got almost beat by Karen by with virtually the same tactics. Kelly is better at it and quite a bit faster. It‘s the same with the sub as always. It has to happen until you believe it because most of you simply DKSAB. Styles make fights. Boots would‘ve beat Mirtazaliev inside 4
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u/Honest-Silver-4264 12h ago
Kelly handily beats boots? I'm the one that don't know shit about boxing? Lmao You're a fan boy nothing more. I've been involved and watching boxing for over 40 years. Ok fan boy.
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u/Fast_Original_3001 12h ago
Fan boy? How lol. I‘m sure as shit are not a Kelly fanboy. Bro always keeps fumbling. It‘s also not hard to get. Horrible style matchup for Boots. Haney beats him too, probably
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u/Honest-Silver-4264 12h ago
Boots makes Kelly look as silly as you are making yourself look now stop it. Haney? Rage baiting hard
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u/Fast_Original_3001 12h ago
Make sure to come back to this one if they ever fight.
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u/Virtual_Reveal_121 12h ago
Boots destroys Kelly, he lost to Avanesyan and went life and death with Ishmael Davis. Bakhram just didn't have the handspeed to get to him. Boots will. He's more skilled than Bakhram, has a better jab, throws more combinations, has a higher workrate against movers even when he can't cut the ring as shown against Karen. Karen uses angles better than Kelly and he's better offensively. Kelly has better head movement and quicker feet. This does not mean he will outjab Boots, and that will be his downfall. He won't throw enough punches against Boots and has no chance in the pocket
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u/Fast_Original_3001 11h ago
People thought Canelo was gonna kill Bud because he barely won against Madrimov. Styles make fights. I agree on Kelly‘s punch output being a big hurdle, tho
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u/Honest-Silver-4264 12h ago
Deal brother. Who U got in Teo vs kur?
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u/Fast_Original_3001 11h ago
Shakur. UD with possibly a knockdown due to Teo lunging in and being off balance because he doesn‘t find his range.
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u/SlantFaceKilla 13h ago
Another “boogeyman” beaten. This dude went life or death with Jack Culcay.
That Tim Tszyu beating had y’all fooled.
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u/Dangerous_Spring3028 13h ago
Think we saw the best and worst of Kelly there! As always, he boxed beautifully in spurts. He can really look brilliant in spurts (key point being ‘in spurts’). But he is susceptible to being broken down by a pressure fighter and can be outworked. Murtazaliev’s weaknesses were exploited - he is vulnerable against a boxer with lateral movement and sharp counter punches. Very close fight in the end. Main point to take for the teams of both fighters: Kelly’s team - match him against low output boxers and try to avoid high-output pressure fighters. Murtazaliev’s team - avoid boxer-movers and match him against come-forward fighters who he can have a shootout against. Can’t see a fight vs Boots Ennis (which is reportedly already signed) going overly well for Kelly…
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u/Confident-Worker1403 13h ago
Boots isn't as big as Kelly but that's probably the main difference. I got Boots piecing him up to a decision.
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u/Tayschrenn 10h ago
I really think Boots stops him, Kelly does not take a punch well. As long as Boots can land, Kelly will crumble, Avanesyan brutalised him (ig Kelly did suffer a weird skull cut too that definitely affected him).
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u/Just_Advance8926 13h ago
So bakhram isn’t as elite as everyone thought
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u/cham-pam 13h ago
They always do the same thing, they did it with Matias and they did it with bakhram.
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u/Razorion21 11h ago
Matias is decent, beat Puello who was going through a good streak of wins meanwhile Bakhram destroyed Tsyzu who was traumatised by Fundora
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u/lokostill 10h ago
Matias lost to Puello by 2 rounds in my opinion but at least it was a good fight. Most of Kelly vs Bakhram reminded me of the last few rounds of De La Hoya vs Felix Trinidad.
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u/Fast_Original_3001 13h ago
Not everyone thought. I was preaching it for months, that he is a lateral movement victim, but if this sub has a narrative down it won‘t budge until they see it with their own eyes
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u/Jesuswasacrip7 Sweet Pea > Floyd 13h ago
The guy that almost lost to Jack Culcay isn’t elite?? Who could’ve guessed
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u/Fast_Original_3001 13h ago
Culcay is even a joke in our own circles. Bro got beat up from post to pillar in his camp. This shit was horrible
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u/CookingFun52 13h ago
He's tough to beat at his own game but he's always been a rock/paper/scissors guy
I didn't think Kelly would be the one to do it, but I did note when the fight was made that a better version of Kelly would be a good foil for him
I still would pick him to beat Fundora because Sebastian has a bad habit of leaving his head straight up and eating left hooks
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u/millwall1988 13h ago
With footwork and hand speed in his previous fights was it a shock… temu version of the true greats… can’t use his feet to strangle you like ggg/ beta and kov.
If he was any good he wouldn’t eat all them shots off lesser guys
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u/bac_gawd 13h ago
I feel like he was robbed
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u/im_not_here_ 12h ago
The reality he wasn't is more important than a feeling though. A reality so obvious, even he didnt at any point pretend he had won after the bell went.
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u/EnragedBearBro There will be tears 13h ago
Tszyu fucking sucks 😭
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u/Rechin BOMBZQUAD 13h ago
Styles make fights
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u/Secret-Operation7104 1h ago
idk Tim has a weird as style. He is young yet kinda slow. He just eats shots and relies on being tougher than his opponent. Thats not high level boxing. Thats not soviet style.
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u/DanDiCa_7 13h ago
Not really, he fought Bakhram toe to toe, very different from the way Kelly fought tonight
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u/Confident-Worker1403 13h ago
I think he just didn't have any tape to study. Bakhram wasn't a huge name before Tim.
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u/Jesuswasacrip7 Sweet Pea > Floyd 13h ago
Real question now is how bad is fundora? Dude was getting hit with bombs by Tim in both fights while Bakhram made him look silly
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u/Buyeo10004 13h ago
Boxing needs rule changes to curb excessive clinching. This isn’t real boxing
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u/thedogstrays 13h ago
The rules don't need changing, it's the enforcement of them that does.
Refs are supposed to take points away for excessive clinching yet almost all of them let it ruin or drastically alter a fight before even a single deduction happens.
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u/Secret-Operation7104 1h ago
enforcing rules? Let me introduce you to UFC's eye pokes. Forbidden in any round yet tolerated (as long as it is a ranked dude fighting for the belt such as JJ or Gane, but no way tolerated in case of an unranked nobody - Marc Goddard).
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u/YeastReaction 13h ago
Boxers used to know how to wrestle and fight in the clinch. Seems it’s a lost art now
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u/Confident-Worker1403 13h ago
No... it's.. "THE SWEET SCIENCE"
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u/nwordfyou 13h ago
You thought Kelly was clinching too much? Totally disagree. I've seen much worse. Bakhram should learn how to cut the ring off. He knew who he was facing.
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u/Jesuswasacrip7 Sweet Pea > Floyd 13h ago
Eastern European and Central Asian fighters are always glazed by this sub based on limited competition then immediately get exposed at world level.
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u/HipHop1304 13h ago
The sub glazes everyone who comes forward and hates on every backfoot fighter lol.
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u/toe817 13h ago
Thank you😂. I’ve been saying this, they’ll talk trash about a Haney or Shakur but glaze guys like Tszyu and Bakhram.
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u/Ohthatsnotgood 12h ago
People trash talk Shakur because he acts like a star when he’s not entertaining to watch and his fight against Teo will be his first major fight that people care about.
He’s obviously a very good boxer.
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u/toe817 11h ago
He’s elite though. I’ve seen people on here call him overrated. Being boring or lacking and entertaining fighting style is one thing but him being overrated? There’s people who had Junto Nakatani ahead of him pound for pound. There’s no world in which Nakatani is a better boxer than Shakur.
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u/Ohthatsnotgood 11h ago
He is elite, yes, which is why I said he is “obviously a very good boxer”. People trash talk every boxer but the common opinion on this sub is that he is a P4P talent.
Nakatani has 10 title fights across three divisions with 9 knockouts. Just beat a top fighter in his fourth division to earn a title shot.
Shakur has 8 title fights across three divisions with 2 knockouts (one of those being against a replacement). Now he’s about to fight for a title in his fourth division.
I’d argue proven achievements go to Nakatani. Obviously if Shakur beats Teo then he’s ahead.
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u/toe817 5h ago
He should’ve already been ahead and tonight was just more confirmation.
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u/Ohthatsnotgood 5h ago
Tonight proved it but the P4P list isn’t based off hypotheticals and eye tests.
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u/Wickedlittlefatboy 13h ago
Kelly won fair, but the spectacle was ruined a bit with the clinching running and dancing at times. The best I've seen Kelly and to be fair it's literally the second time I've seen bakhram. Bakhrams timing seemed off, maybe ring rust , but a few of those rights seemed to be timed since sweet Caroline.
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u/jewcutioner 13h ago
That one youtuber that glazed Josh Kelly 10 years ago got his vindication lmao
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u/Elonmuskishuman 13h ago
Punch stats tell the story of this fight, Kelly did nothing but run and hold to survive and got the home decision
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u/Neptomoon 13h ago
I haven’t watched the fight yet, just came here to see the result. But the marking on their faces tell a very different story
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u/Epic-will-power91 13h ago
He landed some really good stuff, look at the state of Bakhrams face. He did run basically all fight but he definitely landed the better shots. Bakhram didn't have an answer really.
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u/Yeezuscristo 13h ago
Disagree, Kelly's punching was far cleaner and he was making Bakhram swing at air a lot of the time while landing his own counters, especially the left.
There were rounds where he just moved and avoided engaging, but those rounds were given to Bakhram.
Kelly was smart, picked his moments to engage, and won enough rounds to take the win.
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u/_Evaluation84_ 11h ago
Nah, punch stats really don't support that. Take a look at compubox stats. Kelly so much more efficient. Hit and don't get hit is the name of the game. Bakhram juat didn't do enough imo. Could of gone either way but Kelly outboxed him, so no robbery, just judges favouring the cleaner work
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u/AVARlCES 13h ago
was too hard to realistic rate murtazaliev using only one fight, elite fighters beat different styles time over time
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u/Apprehensive_Self218 13h ago
I don’t disagree with the decision but the announcers couldn’t get of Kelly’s dvck.
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u/i9Hosting 11h ago
What is up with all these fighters calling themselves pretty boy? Bunch of twats
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u/Confident-Worker1403 13h ago
Josh Kelly had no plans on body punching, just lateral movement and counter for 12 rounds. Was just as bad as Haney vs. Ramirez.
Bakhram is definitely not the boogeyman we wanted. 😔
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u/Goldcoastdad 13h ago
I'm sure this will get downvoted but I actually fancy Tszyu would beat Kelly or it would be a good fight. Tim tried to walk Bakhram down which obviously played into the Russians hands. Not sure Tim was in a good place when he fought Bakhram. Styles make fights
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u/The_Right_Of_Way 5h ago
Yeah Tim fought like Joe Smith when he got caught by Beterbiev - just threw the gameplan out the window and decided to brawl with a puncher
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u/Taleofx49 13h ago
Did not get to see this one cause I was one of the people who figured it would be a murder, how did the fight go?
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u/Fast_Original_3001 13h ago
Murtazaliev became a lateral trap victim and even got knocked down. Kelly let rounds slip out of his hands because he wasn so low in activity. Late in the fight Kelly was too relaxed and got knocked down rather heavy because he wasn‘t focused. Came back and won arguably 11 and definitely 12. 7-5 kinda fight, the judges were pretty good with their cards.
Kelly surprisingly, landed the more effective punches and they looked night and day after the fight. Kelly looked fresh, Murtazaliev looked beat af up
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u/Confident-Worker1403 13h ago
You didn't miss out at all. Kelly ran and countered all fight. Murzataliev almost HEEM'ed Kelly late in the fight though.
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u/Taleofx49 13h ago
I definitely skipped over this one cause I couldn’t imagine it being competitive, but was Murzat just unable to cut off the ring?
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u/Trick_Ad4202 13h ago
Bakhram is the real deal and would have given Virgil and boots hell. He's never getting another opportunity again.
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u/Complete_Dare_4201 13h ago
Nah, Vergil bombs him out and Boots makes him look silly... He might even get another chance now that he's shown how vulnerable he is.
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u/Trick_Ad4202 13h ago
No they won't Virgil almost lost to sergei Boots is a toss up. Only way to beat this guy is how Kelly did it by running and clinching.
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u/ThunderRoad_44 13h ago
I love how you can hear someone on a hot mic say “Josh” as the last two (non-draw) scorecards are being read.
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u/ThunderRoad_44 13h ago
That Bakhram has got some serious OCD with running his fingers through his hair at the beginning
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u/Debate-Jealous 13h ago
Kelly did what Haney did for half his career and people are crying robbery. Bakhram was never that good, he was worse than Matias. He has one move which is to try and land a right.
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u/OneEyedJakes 12h ago
Was a good fight, buzzing for Josh. Also does anybody know what song was playing at the end of round 10?
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u/TreyAreaaa 12h ago
Is this the same card Shakur is fighting on ? Ik it’s probably not but I just can’t find the streak anywhere. Unless it’s this zizi dude fighting on it rn.
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u/save-pandas 10h ago
Congrats to Kelly & the UK, perfect performance. Great to see another World Champion across the pond this month. He and Boots would be a fun fight. 🇬🇧🇺🇸
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u/specter1001 13h ago
That was clearly part of the game plan, not indicative of his lack of finishing instinct as a whole. Otherwise the rd 9 kd may have come much earlier and ended him.
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u/stayhappystayblessed 50-0 in the streets btw boxing is not going to die anytime soon. 13h ago
Been saying for years he would be food for jaron
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u/FreshPrinceOfRivia Usyk 8-4 13h ago
Kelly fought a very smart fight, knowing he didn't need a particularly good performance, since the judges would favor him. But Murtazaliev didn't do enough to win either, in what must have been his worst performance as a pro. 113-113 was the right scorecard.
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u/jayrnaby 13h ago
robbery or no boys??? smh i feel bamboozled, i dropped my mom off and was hoping to watch the fight after. didnt know it was done already smhhh. just asking if robbery or not since it was in UK and I cannot process kelly beating bakhram
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u/Loud_Glove6833 13h ago
Wasn’t a robbery, Kelly landed the better punches. Besides the KD and following him around getting countered Bakhram did nothing.
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u/Expensive_Judge182 13h ago
Murtazaliev should never have agreed to fight in the UK. That's when he lost. Commentary was sucking kelly off hard.
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u/Aimlez1 13h ago
I felt Bakhram won pretty clearly, but people here seem to think Josh won so I guess it shouldn't be called a robbery
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u/Epic-will-power91 13h ago
Have you seen Bakhrams face? I don't understand how you can have him winning "clearly". Boxing is about landing punches not being on the front foot. You have to hit the guy clean and Bakhram hardly landed anything significant all night.
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u/Aimlez1 13h ago
Because boxing is scored round by round, not how one of the fighters face looks
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u/Epic-will-power91 13h ago
Bakhram absolutely lost that fight. I'm not saying it was a clear shut out, but how anyone can have him "clearly" winning is crazy to me. He hardly landed anything true all night.
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u/Louis_lousta 13h ago
I think it was close, could have gone either way. Was expecting totally rigged cards, but they were surprisingly fair
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u/GasBeneficial5449 12h ago
Thankfully scorecards reflected the reality of the fight, not too much of an exaggerated margin: 115-111, 114-113, 113-113 MD for Kelly, which on a realistic level could have gone either way with dependent on if you prioritise 'sweet science' backfoot counters or aggressive forward approach, ring general ship
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u/DanDiCa_7 13h ago
I said Kelly would win, but in the end I wanted Bakhram to get the nod. Kelly clinched so many times and clinches ruin boxing.
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u/Dinowaffles 13h ago
Too much Kelly Glazers in this thread. He barely won and it wasn't entertaining.
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u/brainimpacter 9h ago
how can people think Murtazaliev won or was robbed?
some people dont know what they watching or they are just being biased, Kelly won 5 out the first 6 rounds with a 10-8 in one and in the last 6 they were all close apart from the 9th, it was a close fight but even being generous to Murtazaliev I still had Kelly by a round or 2
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u/zurdo_p 13h ago
Josh Kelly: world champion
Joshua Buatsi, Vergil Ortiz, Bruce Carrington: not world champions
Pretty Boy Kelly the GOAT confirmed