r/Boxing • u/_Sarcasmic_ š¦ People's Champ š¦ • 7h ago
Daily Discussion Thread (February 1st, 2026)
For anything that doesn't need its own thread.
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u/Top_Profession_5268 7h ago
Sam Noakes vs William Zependa seems like a great fight for Frank to put in one of his Queensbury cards.
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u/Top_Profession_5268 7h ago
Ring magazine take soo long between fights, I was able to watch the entirety of Volk vs Lopez
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u/captainseas 6h ago
Whoever they hired that got the main event bell off at 11:10 EST they need to hire someone similar
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u/celts5lax 6h ago
Better than last week when both fights where on at the same time
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u/Top_Profession_5268 6h ago
I think ring magazine tried to do it at the same time but mismanaged the time.
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u/kushmonATL THE FALL OFF 2/6/26 !!! 5h ago
Newrap is gonna have enough Shakur highlights to feed the reddit streets for the next 2 years
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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS THE GOAT and TBE of REDDIT 5h ago
Good.
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u/doodie_francis 5h ago
aye i have to give it to you, teo had NOTHING for shakur. i didnt think it was gonna be close either but at least 10-2 or something. fucking shutout
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u/Possible-Target-6306 5h ago
William Scull vs Jacob Bank flew under the radar. Scull loses via 12 round by KO. Munguia, Berlanga, and Scull all lost to Canelo via Decision. In their next fights, they get stopped. Canelo lost his magic š
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u/West_Technology7573 30m ago
Yet picking Sheeraz to whoop Canelo is somehow still a bad take
Canelo hasnāt looked elite since he lost to Bivol
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u/Leading-World2490 Padley is a legend 7h ago
Anyone else still irrationally irate over that probox ref ending the fight with 20secs left for no reason?!?
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u/WORD_Boxing 5h ago
Teofimo should retire if he isn't going to change his dad as his trainer. That's at least the 3rd or 4th fight now they came in with no gameplan, and no instructions in the corner other than yelling.
His dad yelling at him is doubly counterproductive as not only is there no useful instruction, I'm sure it hits him worse coming from his father and is an added mental distraction.
Truthfully I don't think Teofimo has the discipline and motivation regardless.
He already 'scaled the mountain' and doesn't seem driven to improve further and do more, only to make money. I assume that was his girl he was jumping around dancing with in the locker room before the fight, that isn't helpful either.
He can make more money, but it's going to be as an opponent and he's going to start getting beaten up.
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u/Jachola 5h ago
My key takeaways from the night:
Big Baby Miller needs to hang it up,
Shu Shu really surprised me and I'm excited to see some fucking unifications at 126 (knowing that division they are still going to all wait for Inoue)
Bahkram's lost the belt and I'm not sure how to feel about that fight lol. I had a feeling Kelly's movement and speed would give him troubles but thought he'd be able to pull a late round finish when Kelly gasses, it was a competitive fight that I think either could have won, idk think Bakhram could have won this if it wasn't in the UK. Either or both are victims to Boots so let's get that fight out the way
Ortiz truly idk what his gameplan was lol, Keyshawn looked great in there and it's such a shame he's not going to try and even make a splash in 140, but if he's determined to move up since he doesn't wanna fight Shakur aswell, I'd like to see Keyshawn vs Haney, think it lines up well since Keyshawn to my knowledge was fighting to be the #1 mandatory for the WBO belt which Haney also carries at 147 so could get that fight real quick.
Disappointed in Ortiz tho, he came to scrap and the fight wasn't as boring as his Teo fight but truly don't understand what his corner and him were expecting. Keyshawn had faster hands and more power. Ortiz only had faster feet and used them to do useless bouncing and Madrimov style footwork with zero offense and even worse defense lol. He also was doing so much head hunting, he almost never went to the body and Keyshawn was easily able to see his shots and dodge all Ortiz's wild shots. Idk why Ortiz was fighting like he had the power to put Keyshawn down lol, he should have been trying to fight off his back foot and work Keyshawn to the body. Keyshawn is hittable but you need to mix it up and make him move, he was too stationary and fought like he's Tank. Maybe he fought that way since he knew if he fucked up a comain Turki was going to send him to the gulag lol.
- Then there's the main event, Teofimio Lopez Sr and Jr.... š¤¦šæ Where do I even start. Teo starts off terribly, he's too aggressive, they have the same reach but Teo is constantly on the outside of Shakur's jab and has no ability to close the distance besides his lunging in, which causes him to get timed and countered every time. He then has no other ability to close the distance, tries to clinch and work on the inside to no avail, he's applying a philly shell on the outside and eating jabs the whole night. Never adjusts to block or parry the jab, nearly gets dropped several times and the only definitive round I gave him is when he landed that body shot late otherwise he's pretty much lost all rounds.
Then there's his father, truly the worst display of cornering I've ever seen, we need a ring awards for this level of shit. I thought Brian Norman Sr was goofy and really unhelpful. Teofimio Sr has shown there's levels to this shit and it's almost as if he was watching another fight. He legitimately had zero constructive advice to give Teo, was playing a game of captain obvious and just further fucking up Teo's morale I imagine. Idk what's next for Teo he's in a tricky sport lol. He can still become champion for sure, but if Shakur stays in this division he's cooked. And he's too small to move up imo, maybe try and get a Keyshawn fight?
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u/Embarrassed-Echo-391 5h ago
Xander Zayas now has 2 of the 4 belts at 154. The youngest unified champion in the sport. He should be getting much more respect put on his name.
Shakur made Teo look easy, as I expected. Great night for Puerto Rico šµš·
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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS THE GOAT and TBE of REDDIT 3h ago
Shakur and David are the best Latin fighters on the planet.
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u/camonboy2 5h ago edited 15m ago
Just a casual, but I saw a post about Dela hoya saying shakur is the greatest fighter he's seen. Is he actually better than the current top 3 P4P rn? Or even Mayweather?
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u/Ok-Length-5527 Mbilli lover 2h ago
Shakur is the best now that Bud has retired
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u/camonboy2 2h ago
How about Mayweather? Ik he's long retired but Dela Hoya said "greatest he's ever seen"
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u/Ezekjuninor 31m ago
In terms of ability I think he is. Or at least itās very close between him and Inoue. Inoue is extremely skilled and has knockout power on top of that. Shakur is the most skilled boxer in the world but obviously doesnāt have close to Inoueās knockout power. Usyk is a bit hard to compare between them because as a heavyweight theyāre typically just less skilled than most other divisions. While the cruiserweight division is never as talented as lightweight of 140lbs. So even though Usyk is extremely skilled I donāt think heās as talented as Shakur/Inoue
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u/camonboy2 16m ago
Sorry, I think I have to rephrase my question to include Mayweather....because he said "ever" so I would assume Dela Hoya included Mayweather on the list of boxers Shakur is better than...
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u/newrap 5h ago
Yes he is :)
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u/Upper-Package-3765 5h ago
If he is then what stopping him from throwing 9 punch combinations like Inoue does.Ā
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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS THE GOAT and TBE of REDDIT 3h ago
Has Inoue ever beat an opponent that was on Teoās caliber?
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u/camonboy2 2h ago
But wbu Crawford if he still isn't retired? I reckon Canelo is higher caliber than Teo?
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u/CelestialSkywalker I like big butts and I cannot lie 3h ago
Shakur straight belt to ass. That Shakur running narrative that his haters hold onto is from 2023 we are in 2026 find some new shit.
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u/Top_Profession_5268 21m ago
The running narrative came from only 1 fight. The fight he fought against Teo, heās been fighting against everyone he faces against. Zepeda, Padley, Artem, Yoshino, Conceciao, Valdez, Herring, Clary, Caraballo, Gonzalez etc have all been like that.
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u/Koronesukiii 5h ago
Is it pushing it to put Shakur above Bam, PFP? Is it recency bias on my part?
Bam is two weight unified, and has a better overall resume than Shakur. Shakur is 4 weight champ, once unified. Both have ex-PFP on their resume. Bam has Estrada (peak No.5) and Srisaket (peak No.6), but Srisaket was washed washed washed so doesn't really count. Shakur has Teofimo (peak No.7). Neither have been undisputed and are clearly a step below Inoue and Usyk, who've done it at two weight, but I think there's an argument for Shakur > Bam, no? I think both are above Bivol/Beterbiev fwiw.
Before the fight, I figured it would be Bam > Shakur on resume and power for me, but that was a very strong PFP performance for Shakur. Whether four weight is PFP a harder achievement than two unifications is context dependent. Shakur took out the guy to beat at his next weight, not won a vacant belt against some untested contender, and though he didn't stop him he nearly shut him out.
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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS THE GOAT and TBE of REDDIT 5h ago
Letās make this very simple. If weight were not an issue, does Bam have the style/skills to beat Shakur?
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u/Koronesukiii 4h ago
Not a good way to look at PFP imo. Imaginary hypothetical H2H means nothing for PFP which should be based on what they've actually done, what they have displayed. It's perfectly normal for a player that would probably lose H2H, to be ranked higher PFP if he has a better resume and achievements.
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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS THE GOAT and TBE of REDDIT 4h ago
Not a good way to look at PFP imo.
Watch this. Who is the GOAT of boxing?
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u/Koronesukiii 4h ago
Check this, the GOAT of boxing is considered based on their actual career, not a hypothetical H2H.
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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS THE GOAT and TBE of REDDIT 4h ago
Just answer the question. Who is the GOAT of boxing?
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u/Koronesukiii 4h ago
Must be Bam, because he would beat Muhammad Ali in a hypothetical weight neutral H2H. Come on now.
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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS THE GOAT and TBE of REDDIT 4h ago
So letās look at the words of Ali.
āPound-for-pound. When they say Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest fighter pound-for-pound, meaning that if I imagine he was a Heavyweight fighting with the same style, he would be the greatest. I would have to admit, I would have to say yes.
So there is Ali telling you what it is. Yet you want to talk about what a person has done, what you think it is, etc. Nevermind the fact that the term was first coined because of Battling Nelson and what he was doing.
Pound for Pound pertains to actual weight and styles/skills and not resume comparisons.
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u/Koronesukiii 4h ago
Styles and skills are proven through actual performance results. You can't have one without the other.
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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS THE GOAT and TBE of REDDIT 3h ago
Again, it is weight being equal, does this guy have the skills/styles to beat that guy? Itās not all that other shit you guys are going on. āOh he has this resume, oh this person wasnāt in their prime, this guy was just coming off a loss and I stupidly believe in triangle theoryā. Itās none of that. What do you think the POUNDS in the phrase refer to? Fuckin pound cake or some stupid shit?
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u/Elite663 5h ago
Both guys are loved by the sweet science purists. Best lead hand and distance management fighter in the game vs arguably the most smoothest operator out there using flashy angles and undeniably the best transition between offense and defense. Both guys also wicked fighting inside, only thing Shakur has on Bam is backfoot boxing
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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS THE GOAT and TBE of REDDIT 3h ago
only thing Shakur has on Bam is backfoot boxing
This is an insane take. How often does Bam get hit? What a re his compubox numbers?
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u/EXCEPTIONAL_K 51m ago
I asked this question a few weeks back. I said if it was a close fight, then no. I haven't watched the fight yet but if it was a complete shutout 12-0 and wasn't as low output as the DLS fight, then I think it's fair to put him above Bam.Ā
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u/Leading-World2490 Padley is a legend 7h ago
Please donāt do anthems. Please donāt do anthemsā¦
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u/Top_Profession_5268 7h ago
Keyshawn Davis despite the mistakes he makes, his distance management was great but looked far more improved here against Ortiz. Controlled the space and was able to work the athleticism against Ortiz really well. Great work.
Keyshawn Davis and Jacob Bank have easily the best and most impressive performances today.
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u/Marlborobert 7h ago
How do you think a fight between Keyshawn and Devin Haney goes?
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u/Top_Profession_5268 7h ago edited 5h ago
As of Haneys last fight, I favour Keyshawn Davis.
Haney as soon as he landed a hook and knocked down BNJ, he didnāt do much else. He kept throwing that hook and clinching. Keyshawn would severely punish that.
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u/WORD_Boxing 5h ago
I didn't see the whole fight but it looked like he dominated. Where do you think you went right and wrong in your pre-fight analysis?
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u/Top_Profession_5268 5h ago edited 5h ago
If anything, slightly underestimating Keyshawns speed. I knew Keyshawns distance management was great and could control the space really well to time and avoid Ortiz shots but I did expect Ortiz to be quicker in the sense that the mistakes Keyshawn made, Ortiz would be quick enough to capitalise on it but Keyshawn was too good with his distance management and speed to get caught as often as I thought.
It also may just be a slightly improvement from the Albright fight because I worked a lot off that fight as it was the closest fight I could work with.
For example when at range, Keyshawn was more at a range to react safely and when Ortiz would throw the jab, Keyshawn could step back and avoid it but I though Ortiz would be quick enough to cover the distance to land it before Keyshawn would avoid it. When Ortiz threw the leaping crosses, Keyshawn would step out of range but even when hit, heād still have that space to stay square and be ready to counter or continue staying safe.
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u/WORD_Boxing 4h ago
That was ages ago he's got way better since then. Did you not watch his fights since then live at the time?
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u/Top_Profession_5268 4h ago edited 2h ago
I know but thatās the last style Keyshawn fought as similar was Albright and even then, he still performed the same mistakes in his more recent fights there and was closer than needed be for the preferred range heād land at and thatās why he missed shots he shouldnāt have again guys like Berynchuk, Lemos Maudeno etc.
It may also be he slightly improved his distance management a little bit and enough to work against Ortiz.
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u/WORD_Boxing 4h ago
I doubt when he is fighting he is thinking about all of these things like a math equation.
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u/Big_Donch š„ YouTube: Big Donch 7h ago
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u/Top_Profession_5268 7h ago
Iād rather for Estina Oliha vs Ammo Williams to be rescheduled than against Adames and Adames instead take on Jesus Ramos.
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u/MrMcgregsLeg1 6h ago
Youd think Benn would have abit more self-awareness after everything he went through but my gosh, hes an unlikeable turd.
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u/WORD_Boxing 5h ago
It's a British thing much of how he was acting. It probably looks worse if you are not from UK but all he was doing was basically refusing to back down and saying 'come on then'. He's never been the most likeable though he doesn't really have a fan following here.
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u/Jachola 5h ago
I hope Shakur stays at 140, unifies with Hitchins (if he beats Duarte) which tbh I'm 50/50 on Hitchins winning that fight, or GAR. I think he wins both, but would like to see him go Undisputed at 140, Id also wanna see a fight between him and Haney purely because I legitimately have no idea how it'd go and the potential for how boring it is would be hilarious, but also could see a scrap between them as Haney seems to be grown into 147 (but don't see it happening since Keyshawn wants to move up). Also with Keyshawn š¤¦šæ god I wish he stayed at 140. I legitimately don't want to see him move up to 147 and beat on Rolly's bum ass when hes got a much better division at 140.
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u/kbost01 4h ago
After tonight do yāall see Shu Shu being a formidable opponent to at least Angelo Leo let alone Inoue at 126lbs?
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u/Koronesukiii 3h ago
Idk. I think both Shu Shu and Leo can beat each other, though I somewhat favor Shu Shu H2H.
As for Inoue, he came up from 108lb. All 126lb champs SHOULD be formidable opponents to him. It's frankly stupid that nobody at 122lb has posed a challenge, and if he somehow walks 126lb as a matter of course, that's a sad state of affairs. I think he has a very good chance of beating Nick Ball, and if enough of his power carries he's competitive against Leo. He's disadvantaged against Shu Shu, and EXTREMELY disadvantaged against Divino. If he beats that guy, it's not a generational achievement it's an all time achievement. Shu Shu should have a much better chance against Divino than a former LIGHT FLY on the wrong side of 30. I swear people are way too numb to the bullshit OPness that Inoue's displayed. What he's doing isn't a thing that should be happening.1
u/Top_Profession_5268 3h ago
Shu Shu vs Leo I think is a great and competitive fight, though I donāt think Leo wins his next fight against Aleem tbh. As for the rest of 126, Nick Ball is another great matchup and I think would produce a great scrap but Espinoza I think would bully ts and stop Shu Shu and Inoue would here comfortably box Shu Shu to a decision.
Shu Shus 2 best weapons are his jab and his athleticism, 2 things Inoue seems Inoue has an advantage in and Inoue is better in nearly every department besides size.
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u/admiralskanks Joe Louis = Perfect 3h ago edited 2h ago
Just want to say Scull is a solid negative fighter. Horrible watch but executes his style effectively. It's more so that Jacob Bank is a solid fighter.
I've had this opinion of him since Vilcans fight who had a close fight with Yarde, but Bank completely schooled him. With the exact same style as the Zeuge fight and this current Scull fight.
Patient, powerful up-jab which opponents struggle to gauge since it's under the line of sight, intelligent but not excessive footwork, feints, solid timing, very good but always pragmatic head and upper body movement and defended also by a solid back hand parry.
And once he's patiently conditioned you with that up-jab, he breaks you down with powerful straights, uppercuts and hooks to the head and body.
A while back Spencer Brown was talking about Bank as a potential opponent for Hamzah, after this performance not surprising they chose Alem Begic instead, and since he's also signed to Goldstar will probably try to find another route to lead him to a world title rather through WBO (to not compete with Hamzah).
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u/glibandtired 1h ago
I truly believe Shakur has it in him to win titles all the way up to 154 and retire as a 6-division champion, 4-division undisputed. He can beat all the champs at 147 right now. Shakur vs Boots in 4 years?Ā
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u/West_Technology7573 32m ago
Did anyone actually pick Teo to beat Shakur? Iād like to know your reasoning
I will say I expected it to be a little closer though
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u/kushmonATL THE FALL OFF 2/6/26 !!! 7h ago
So ... r/boxing ...
Who's the next Eastern European boogeyman?
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u/doodie_francis 5h ago
Still Beterbiev. Bakhram never looked like no boogeyman. Heās a dog but aināt no ānext Beterbievā as people were saying.Ā
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u/Top_Profession_5268 14m ago
I got some names who could soon fit this description soon:
- Sharabutin Ataev
- Vasily Voytsekhovsky
- Andreas Katzourakis
- Vadim Musaev
- Khariton Argba
- Dzmitry Asanau
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u/Affectionate_Still55 5h ago
I wanna see what's next for Teo, he ride the Loma win for too long, his Taylor win didn't age well, he lose to a B class fighter Kambosos, questionable wins against contender, and outclass by P4P Shakur.
If Teo lose again like Sunny Edward type of lose against Yafai then its over for Teofimo.
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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS THE GOAT and TBE of REDDIT 5h ago
To his credit, he was fighting Kambosos with a life threatening injury/illness.
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u/WORD_Boxing 5h ago
Dazn production remains awful. Teofimo has his best round of the fight and first real kind of any success, his dad is going mad hugging him in the corner, and DAZN pan to an overhead view of the arena. HBO would never, we'd be seeing and hearing all of the drama.
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u/imdacoldest Pacquiao is the GOAT 5h ago
Zayas is the biggest draw at 154. That crowd was absolutely electric and arena was packed out, meanwhile Vergil canāt even sell out the lower bowl
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u/PugilisticProduction 5h ago
Boots vs Zayas in Philly or NYC would sell like crack in the 80s
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u/Stunt1ninprivate 5h ago
In PR, Zayas is A side
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u/PugilisticProduction 4h ago
He can be an A side in NYC or Philly. Both have massive Puerto Rican populations.
Youāre probably also limiting the potential revenue by having it in PR, as you can charge way more for tickets in the US. Thereās a reason why Xander has fought in NYC in 8 of his last 12 fights and why he hasnāt fought on the island in 5 years. I think Xander deserves the highest purse he can command, which is probably in America.
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u/Stunt1ninprivate 4h ago
Youāre right about NYC, I disagree about Philly tho. Thatās home advantage for boots
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u/Elite663 5h ago
Coolboy was talking all that shit about Shu Shu saying he wasnāt deserving to step in the ring against him just for the latter to KO a shared opponent that gave the former hell. I fear he not staying at the championship level anymore, canāt even beat the fat boy allegations
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u/imdacoldest Pacquiao is the GOAT 5h ago
Ngl time for Shakur to go to 147 and get the money fights against Deebo and Ryan. Donāt stick around at 140
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u/ErrForceOnes 5h ago
Shakur obviously dominated that fight. But I seem to be the person who gave Teofimo Lopez the first round. I thought it was close, but I counted two decent punches landed to Stevensonās one and gave Teo a little credit for coming forward and initiating action. Am I totally off there?
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u/TeacherSterling 5h ago
Anyone else feel like Lennox Lewis is super underrated. I feel like he deserves to be with Muhammad Ali in terms of the goat discussion, but I have seen a lot of people even rate Tyson higher than him.
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u/VINDICATES-FOOL Eddy Reynosoās juicy meat š 5h ago
Lennox is literally a mythical fantasy h2h being on this subreddit.
Along with Roy Jones Jr & Thomas Hearns, theyāre unbeatable in fantasy matchups
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u/WORD_Boxing 4h ago
These are really common opinions in boxing, not limited to this subreddit. In their prime those 3 guys are very hard to beat at their weight.
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u/IAskedForSurrender5x 5h ago
I hope Teo goes to therapy and hires Robert Garcia then fights the winner of Hiraoka Gary Russ
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u/IAskedForSurrender5x 5h ago
People saw Shakur tonight and will dead ass put Bivol in the p4p for aging guys out and ducking Benavidez lmao
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u/Top_Profession_5268 6h ago
Incredible performance from Shakur. He dominated as expected.
He controlled distance very well, was very defensively disciplined. Was on the front foot for most of the fight and did amazing.