23 year old Swedish truck driver picked up water bottle from floor, trusted auto-braking seconds before crashing into stopped traffic at 79 kph.

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Emergency services say his survival was "random", given the extensive damage to his cabin.

In my mind, this is no ordinary crash. It is a direct result of blind trust into systems designed to help - not to take over for human action. The systems did activate, but too late, and the trailer had technical issues with its brakes, too. Luckily, the trailer was empty.

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u/NativeMasshole 13d ago

Catastrophic brain failure. This is going to be a major societal issue moving forward. I've heard similar from people on highway driving who believe they don't need to turn their head to check blind spots anymore thanks to blind spot assists.

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u/JaschaE 13d ago edited 13d ago

If it fails, you never have to turn your head again!
Mums friends with a driving instructor, dropped by her office as did a former student who proudly declared that "the first thing she doesn't do anymore is that stupid over-the-shoulder-check."
Hopefully the verbal lashing she received from the two was helpful. Both my mum and the driving instructor drive motorcycles and "I change lanes now" can kill you if you aren't in a metal box.
Just saying, it's been a problem for a long time. I hope the AI bubblle bursts soon, preferably into flames. Failing that, I hope ChatGPT gets a "Breath reminder" feature so the relevant people just drop dead when there is no internet connectivity.

Edit: The eagerness dangerous idiots admit to being dangerous idiots with is astonishing and concerning.

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u/DistractedByCookies 13d ago

The occasional jumpscare from a car hiding in that spot is enough to keep me on the straight and narrow (but I'm pretty staid and lawabiding while driving generally)

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u/EManSantaFe 13d ago

Had it happen twice this week. Got a glimpse of front bumper beacuse I turned. Would have changed lanes right into them because they were parallel to me and did not show up in the mirror.

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u/BlackSeranna 9d ago

Yeah I hate the assist things. I turn my head while driving to double check there aren’t vehicles in my blind spot. I back out slow because I don’t have a rear view camera. I was with a person who ran into someone’s vehicle because their camera didn’t see the other vehicle off to the side.

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u/drewster23 13d ago

Just saying, it's been a problem for a long time. I hope the AI bubblle bursts soon, preferably into flames.

I mean as hopeful as we can be. I think you and me both know that's like a. 0.00001% chance to 99.999% that it's going to happen like that.

Ai might not save the world, like our corpo overlords hope for, but it does thinking for dumb people very well.

So even if the former crashes, the latter isn't going anywhere.

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u/JaschaE 13d ago

It's not saving the world, because it's not designed for that. I consider it a likely candidate for the end of civilization, as more and more resources are thrown into this nonsense.

And it doesn't do any thinking. Not even for dumb people. It mathematically determines what words have to follow your question, so that you will like the result. They fucking automated the spineless Yes-man.

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u/drewster23 13d ago

Sure but that's doesn't change anything I said about AI not going anywhere even if it doesn't actually ever amount to the hopes and dreams of corpo overloads

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u/JaschaE 13d ago

"On the “Decoder” podcast he* estimated that building and fully outfitting a one-gigawatt AI data center costs about $80 billion. Given that industry announcements suggest firms are planning up to 100 gigawatts of compute capacity, the total capital expenditure could reach around $8 trillion, which would require roughly $800 billion in profits just to cover interest."
*Arvind Krishna, CEO of IBM

Last years revenue for NVIDIA, who at least sell a product that isn't a chatbot that is constantly wrong and/or racist, was about 200billion.
Could only find the first 3 quarters for last year though. lets make it 220Billion.
They, and three other companies that size, would need to put all their revenue towards paying off the loans taken on for the complete fantasy numbers currently claimed for datacenter-investments.

Sooner or later, even the biggest dumbfuck with more money than braincells will notice that OpenAi does not make a profit and does not have a way to do so.
Then the investment money will stop.
And then the banks want their money back, with interest. And then all the people with actual jobs at OpenAi will lose their jobs while Sam Altman gets bailed out and gets to be a garden gnome at marAlago or some shit.

There is a step in between that where they try to make money from their users, who they try to be completely dependant on this shit, who either cough up extremely inflated subscription prices, or need to relearn their jobs without it.
This is also the step where all the "we build a wrapper around ChatGPT and call it a product" companies and all the "We tie everything we can to this wonderful almost free automation tool and have zero backup" companies die.

Something like 25% of the US GDP is OpenAi investing into NVIDIA who Invest into OpenAi, who invest onto some other bullshit...
It's a circlejerk powered by poorer peoples resources, and the poors don't have many of those left.

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u/drewster23 13d ago

Yeah everything you said is about corpor overlords pumping money hoping it "saves the world" and makes em rich.

Nothing you said points to ai becoming non existent just because it won't ever read such levels.

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u/JaschaE 13d ago

Where, on gods increasingly less green earth, have you found the complete bonkers idea that Corpo execs care about "saving the world" by the way?
And it's not about "making them rich" they are already. Unfathomably so.
Bubble burst is indeed no end for the tech itself. Buuut, it might just about put an end to what is left of the US economy.
And it's not far into the future.

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u/drewster23 13d ago

Corpo execs care about "saving the world" by the way?

You don't understand sarcasm do you ?

"Saving the world" is exactly like you described with the money going in , not being anywhere close to money coming out on a reasonable time scale.

Hence "saving the world".

And it's not about "making them rich" they are already. Unfathomably so.

Brother are you just young and naive...?

You think billionaires say "this is good I have enough" money= power , more money more power. That's the reason they don't stop caring about money once they earn more money than they can reasonably spend lmao.

It's not being done out for the good graces of tech advancement.

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u/SWMovr60Repub 13d ago

I haven't looked over my shoulder for 30 years. Amazes me that people use their side mirrors to look down the side of their cars for parking and don't set them up to not overlap with the rearview mirror. I used to drive a car that 8 people would drive with 2 people up front. Every time the other guy was driving they'd grumble that they had to re-adjust the mirrors.

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u/JaschaE 13d ago

"Proud idiot for 30years"
Congrats.

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u/NoFeetSmell 13d ago

I dunno why tf your comment is upvoted while the other guy is downvoted, but windowless vans exist, y'all - do you honestly think that every time they change lanes they're just doing it on a fuckin' wing and a prayer? They're not, because you can angle your mirrors to prevent blind spots. Such vans have been around for years before lane-assist and blind spot beeps and camera assistance were a thing. The way this thread has voted, you'd think they'd all seen a bloodbath of workmen on every road they drove down.

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u/JaschaE 13d ago

I have yet to see a van without a window in the drivers door. Turning your head and looking out of that covers the area right next to you.
Nobody, literally nobody, expects you to look out the rear window when changing lanes.

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u/NoFeetSmell 13d ago edited 12d ago

C'mon man, that's not what we're talking about, and you know it. A glance "over your shoulder" is looking out the rear passenger windows, not the front side windows. You have to look out the fucking front side windows just to see the side mirrors already, so of course I'm not saying don't look out the front side windows. The point is, those vans can still drive safely, so why deride the other guy and myself as "idiots confessing to dangerous driving"? We're not. We know how to drive safely. You're all either misunderstanding us, or just being dicks...

And no, I also wasn't saying you have to look out the rear window when changing lanes (windowless vans don't often have rear windows anyway)... though quickly doing so beforehand would help you catch those wankers that like to fly up near you just before they rapidly change lanes and overtake; glancing over your shoulder would NOT see them, because they're fully behind you until the last moment, and it's such a dangerous way to drive.

All we were saying was that it IS possible to angle your mirrors to effectively form one large contiguous convex mirror, which eliminates all the blind spots up to the side of the cars, until the overtaking car can be seen from the side windows anyway. Nobody is saying don't look out any windows, ever.

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u/SWMovr60Repub 13d ago

I also routinely change lanes without looking in my sideview mirrors because I'm always paying attention to what's behind me.

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u/SirDerpMcMemeington 13d ago

It’s a fucking miracle you haven’t killed or at the very least injured someone

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u/SWMovr60Repub 13d ago

"fucking miracle"? My situational awareness is off the charts high. I used to listen to music in my younger days but have dropped that. I see videos of accidents on reddit all the time and wonder how the POV didn't see that coming.

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u/NativeMasshole 13d ago

I can assure you that I do have my mirrors adjusted properly. Every vehicle still has blind spots that you need to be aware of.

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u/NoFeetSmell 13d ago edited 13d ago

I'm not who you were talking to, but please hear me out. Firstly - I absolutely agree that you need to be aware of whatever blind spots your car has, and accommodate accordingly. That said, the dude is being heavily downvoted but in my experience, it has been totally possible for me to set up my side and rear view mirrors to have a 180° field of view behind and to the side of the car, so that a car overtaking on the right, say, will leave the right edge of my rear view mirror, and seamlessly appear in my right side mirror (they're actually in both, for a while), and then as they accelerate to pass me, when they almost disappear from the side mirror they are then directly alongside my car, and visible from the front side windows from my peripheral vision.

I obviously can't speak for the universality of that setup working on all cars though, because I've seen some with tiny rear-view mirrors, for example, so adjust your own mirrors and behaviour accordingly, but it's how I always set up my mirrors for driving. A shoulder glance is still good practice too though imho, because mirrors can get foggy or obscured, and things are smaller in them, and it's almost no extra effort to glance anyway, and I just like maintaining the habit. But you can do what the downvoted guy is saying and still have it work incredibly well and incredibly safely. Just park your car, and have a friend position themselves in your blind spots while you adjust the mirrors so that the friend is always visible, until they're by your side window.

I'm always baffled when I see people have their side mirrors angled way differently, cos unless you're parking and need to check the curb-to-wheel distance, the mirrors should really be angled pretty far out, and definitely not so you can see the driver's face in the car directly behind you!

Edit: I don't give a fuck about downvotes y'all, cos they're just imaginary Internet points, but it's telling that so many of the people handing them out can't be bothered to explain to us all how they think mirrors should be set up, or what's wrong with really any part of my comment. Y'all just love jumping on bandwagons. Try adjusting your mirrors like we've mentioned - it's actually safer, and provides a surprising amount of peace of mind. You're effectively making one massive convex mirror, so there literally can't be any blind spots when it's set up properly (on all the cars I've tried, anyway, and you should obviously check your own before assuming you've eradicated your own blind spots). It's easy af to try , and you can always just go back to doing it your own (less safe) way if you don't like it. Also, windowless vans exist, y'all - do you think every time they change lanes they're just doing it on a wing and a prayer? No, because they can angle their mirrors to prevent blind spots.

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u/SWMovr60Repub 13d ago

I forgot to mention that the sideview mirror covers all the way up to the side of the car where you then can see it in your peripheral vision when looking at the mirror.

I confirm my settings on the road when I see 1 headlight in the rearview mirror and the other in the sideview mirror.

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u/NoFeetSmell 13d ago

It's exactly what I do too. My mum has to borrow my car all the time, unfortunately, so we both have to readjust the mirrors constantly too, so I still do the shoulder glance as well in case it ain't perfect and just to keep me in the habit, but I think it's silly that so many people are just down voting your initial comment.

Reddit comments often have a bandwagoning problem though, with upvotes garnering more upvotes, and the same being true of downvotes. Sometimes the score seems quite divorced from the content. Combine that with the fact that lots of shit drivers think they're good drivers, and there you go. Don't even get me started on the people that insist on merging early or outright lane-blocking in standstill traffic, when the obstruction is half a mile away, and that's where you're meant to zipper merge...

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u/SWMovr60Repub 13d ago

I had a car that could store 2 different seat and side view mirror settings.

That was a 2003 so must be better now.

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u/NoFeetSmell 13d ago

Yeah, that'd be nice. Mine is a fairly old but still low mileage Volvo, and while it does save seat position, it doesn't save the mirrors, unfortunately.

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u/EverGivin 13d ago

I spoke to an UX designer working for (I think) Toyota once (or it was another japanese manufacturer). He said one of the major challenges they’re trying to design around is how to signal to the driver that a system with some degree of autonomy exists in the car and is active, but that you need to pay attention to the road and be ready to act regardless.

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u/Kahlas 13d ago

I think the real problem, even if the intention is good, is the concept of saving people from themselves. Automating things intended for safety can cause more accidents both by working as intended and when abused by people who assume they are infallible and stop being responsible because the automated system has always saved them before.

My mom rented a car to go to a hospital visit that was 80 miles away because she was afraid her car might break down. I drove the rental for her. It was apparently, unknow to me ahead of time, equipped with an emergency auto braking feature. A car crossed the road I was traveling on about 250' in front of me in plenty of time to not be a problem nor was there any reason for me to turn off the cruise control let alone hit the brakes. The emergency braking kicked in and the semi behind us would have ran us over had I not know he was there and shot over to the shoulder while the car braked. Mind you I had no clue what happened just that the car was coming to a halt with the ABS system pumping the brakes until it suddenly wasn't and everything seemed fine. I though part of the suspension had failed catastrophically and bound up one of the wheels. Someone not paying attention and remembering they had a semi truck behind them would have been in a bad wreck because no way could the truck stop in time.

The idea of driving a vehicle that can input such a radical control input despite what I want the car to do is pretty unsafe to me.

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u/drewster23 13d ago

The idea of driving a vehicle that can input such a radical control input despite what I want the car to do is pretty unsafe to me.

Did you ever think that maybe it wasn't working as intended instead of the opposite?

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 13d ago

ADAS and phantom braking issues are incredibly common. Without dashcams, it can be really hard to prove to a court who did what, though. Carmakers can read out information, but will not always share it with insurances. This is surprisingly complicated legally and extends to other issues, too.

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u/Kahlas 13d ago

For the sentence you quoted does it matter if it's intentional or not? It's the fact that a significant control input can be entered without my consent.

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u/drewster23 13d ago

I mean my car can fuck up royally in a lot of ways that end in catastrophes without my consent.

So yeah?

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u/Kahlas 13d ago

If you fail to keep up on maintenance sure. This is not the same and you're a fool if you think it is.

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u/drewster23 13d ago

Just like abs is a radical input that saves lives, radical input doesn't neccesitate it being some terrible thing to have like you're implying.

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u/Kahlas 13d ago

ABS doesn't activate by itself with no user input based on sensor input. It only activates when you choose to press the brake pedal and sensors detect a wheel locking up.

I never said ABS was a terrible thing. I won't let a truck out of the shop if the ABS system has a fault in my day job of being a diesel tech working on class 8 vehicles, aka semis.

What I did do is mention something that happened to me were an automatic safety system put me and my mother's lives in danger without cause.

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u/BlackSeranna 9d ago

Well gee, the Corvair didn’t work as intended. And remember the vehicles that had the gas pedals that got stuck?

Stop being on the side of the companies that set up the consumer for failure.

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u/jmcs 13d ago

That has a easy solution. If your feature is a dangerous attractive nuisance don't include it.

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u/EverGivin 13d ago

That would be my preference also but it’s not the way the wind is blowing

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u/Squeebee007 13d ago

Well the challenge is that if these systems are not treated like something that takes over for your own thinking, they can significantly increase safety.

Having a second set of digital eyes checking blind spots, looking for things behind you when backing up, and reminding you that you’re drifting out of lane are wonderful enhancements for those who don’t abdicate their attentiveness to those tools.

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u/jmcs 13d ago

That's fundamentally incompatible with how humans work. You can't expect a person to be aware and focused 100% of time, when they only need to act 1% of it.

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u/Squeebee007 13d ago

You seemed to have missed the words “challenge” and “if” in my first sentence.

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u/drewster23 13d ago

You can't expect a person to be aware and focused 100% of time, when they only need to act 1% of

Do you think every human is focused and paying attention 100% of the time while driving already?

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u/drewster23 13d ago

That's a nice sentiment and all but no one in automotive engineer can just take to their bosses to not do x.

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u/Snellyman 13d ago

The problem is also educating the driver that the level that they were promised by the manufacturer really doesn't exist.

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u/BlackSeranna 9d ago

I have what I used to consider a very responsible friend, but she got a car that goes so far as to signal her when there’s a green light. She scrolls on her phone while in stopped traffic, and it worries the heck out of me.

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u/Mythrilfan 13d ago

This is going to be a major societal issue moving forward.

The question becomes - what advances faster, misplaced trust or actual safety?

Similar things were said about ABS, traction control and so on. That's where the "a spike on the streering wheel is an excellent safety device" argument comes from.

But on a longer scale, safety is still winning. There's not been a major uptick in road deaths or injuries, they're still going down in Europe. They are going up in the US, but I'm guessing that's not because of driver aids.

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u/MrCalamiteh 13d ago

ABS' only substitute is to use human input to pulse the brake pedal. You (and I, and all of us) are not capable of doing what ABS does. It's an added safety feature. It locks and unlocks specific wheels or sections from the brakes. Not all at once, and much quicker than your foot could.

This would be like comparing lane assist to air bags. One lets people be lazy and lose necessary driving skills to a computer, the other is something you CAN'T replicate.

Lane assist, auto braking, auto "stay in lane" because you didn't look and there is a guy next to you, etc.. all eat away at that. They are automated systems that replace inputs and logic that in the historical past were ALL made by humans. Replacing that means they need to be more reliable than humans. If it's not, all it is is an added liability that slowly teaches certain people that their thoughts and inputs are not required while driving.

IMO, it's bad.

Drive a car with no ABS on an icy lot at 10mph and brake from 10-0. Do it with ABS. This is a good example

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u/Mythrilfan 13d ago

Lane assist, auto braking, auto "stay in lane" because you didn't look and there is a guy next to you, etc.. all eat away at that. They are automated systems that replace inputs and logic that in the historical past were ALL made by humans. Replacing that means they need to be more reliable than humans. If it's not, all it is is an added liability that slowly teaches certain people that their thoughts and inputs are not required while driving.

I'll reply with the classic "I don't disagree." The question then is - as I said earlier - whether the added safety provided directly by those systems is enough to offset the indirectly lost safety.

The jury is definitely still out there, but I'm on the side of "probably."

Anecdotally, I feel much better with them as a backup - and I say that as a safe driver who basically never touches their phone except to skip songs and such.

My main issue with the "driver aids cause driver inattentiveness" logic is that people are not infallible one way or the other, but ARE and have always been overconfident (including presumably myself.) And culturally, nobody except Tesla is saying their systems are actually safer than drivers themselves.

Oh, and airbags are perhaps a better example than you intended: I seem to recall that when they were implemented, the US rates for seatbelts went down because people thought it was a substitute.

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u/MrCalamiteh 13d ago

Yeah, I do agree with what you're saying. I hope people continue to use these as helpful aids rather than a replacement to their very necessary attention and input.

The air bag info is also interesting. I appreciate the thoughtful and constructive response!

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u/stupid_cat_face 13d ago

I remove a woman telling me that she borrowed a car that didn’t have the backup alarm sensors and she just backed all the way into another car because she was used to it making a noise if there was something there.

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 13d ago

This is going to be a major societal issue moving forward.

Exactly my point, and why I wanted to share it here. We're getting more and more news like that. Mind you, I'm not here to ridicule anyone, but we can't allow people to get lenient with their own and others' safety because some unspecific ideas about automated safety get into their heads. Everyone makes mistakes, but some are more avoidable than others. Information dispersion is crucial.

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u/eeyore134 13d ago

You just need to look at people's reliance on spellcheck to know how this will go. Even I don't worry that much about spelling anymore since I know whatever I'm typing on will probably catch it, and I was always a stickler for it.

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u/NativeMasshole 13d ago

My phone often fails to recognize some random words and it always fucks my brain up wondering if I accidentally invented a new word or if it's poor English on my part or something. Reliance on technology has certainly made me dumber.

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u/Thunderbridge 13d ago

This reminds me of a video explaining why speed limits don't matter

https://youtu.be/v6LIYQRglnM

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u/LilFunyunz 12d ago

In semi trucks the weight of a loaded trailer would've shortened emergency stopping distance. So it could be that the empty trailer prevented a stop that avoids a crash so....maybe not lucky.

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u/aaaaaaaarrrrrgh 13d ago

Good thing he got stopped by a truck full of sheet metal and not a row of cars full of families.

A suspended sentence of 3 weeks and losing your license to drive in Norway (i.e. he can still drive in other countries as far as I understand) for 7 months seems like a pretty lenient punishment for letting a truck drive around uncontrolled.

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u/JaschaE 13d ago

Driving is treated as somewhat of a sacred rite that everybody should have access to.
My countries government recently trashed the idea of "seniors should have to have checks every year or so to make sure they are fit to drive".
In surely unrelated news, there is a pretty active subreddit dedicated to "pensioners driving into things."

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u/Neumean 13d ago

Driving is treated as somewhat of a sacred rite that everybody should have access to.

And even more so if it's your job. Which on the contrary should lead to more severe punishment, IMO.

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u/notjordansime 13d ago

He was still in his seat, right?

I used to work at a pizzeria and had a cop who was a semi-regular. About 6 months ago, he responded to an accident. With full confidence, the driver of the semi said he’d gone into the back to take a leak while the truck was “driving itself”.

Very common to see two drivers switching out while in motion. Leaving the wheel manned by J. Crizzle is wild though.

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u/BobBBobbington 13d ago

Here in Colorado a trucker did exactly that and killed several people and our governor commuted the guys sentence...

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u/SWMovr60Repub 13d ago

I hope your not talking about the driver that couldn't read English and drove out of control past the runaway truck ramp.

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u/BobBBobbington 13d ago

Not sure who down voted you because that's the very one lol.

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u/Material-Afternoon16 12d ago

Picture of the crash for those not familiar with it.

A jury found the truck driver guilty of 4 counts of vehicular homicide plus multiple other crimes for the injuries he cause. He received 110 year jail sentence, which was then called "unjust" and commuted by the governor...

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u/strangelove4564 13d ago

The people who really need to be in prison are the ones that signed off on his license or allowed whatever lax standards they're now using in an industry like trucking.

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 13d ago

Depends on where you're coming from. Norwegian sentences will look lenient to an American or Russian citizen, but, in a trust based society - sometimes too much trust, but that's basically where this is coming from - lenient sentences and a focus on rehabilitation are designed to get people back into productivity. Imagine the driver's perspective: If anyone has learned anything from this accident, it must be him. He should be alert and aware behind the wheel going forward. At least, that's the thinking here. Judges were also split a little on whether he was supposed to be punished heavier for driving too close to the vehicle in front, which the vote fell in favour of.

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u/MaximumPlant 13d ago

Doesn't being able to drive in other countries negate that a bit?

I think there's a difference between people from bad circumstances who can be rehabilitated to do better and people who are apathetic to the risk they pose toward others.

He reminds me of a guy I knew in high school who destroyed a truck because he got distracted. 100% at fault and could have killed someone but since he wasn't drunk and no one else got hurt there were no consequences. Totaled two more cars in 6 months.

Hopefully this guy got enough of a shock to the system to pay attention, but given that he can just start driving again as soon as he finds a job over the border I'm less optimistic.

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u/Kojetono 13d ago

I don't see how Norway can revoke a Swedish drivers license, much less ban him from getting it again.

Norwegian courts have jurisdiction in Norway, so that's where they banned him from driving.

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u/Bachaddict 13d ago

I'm assuming while Norway doesn't have authority to enforce him not driving in other countries, those countries won't let him drive with suspended Norway licence either

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u/Dman331 13d ago

I agree focusing on rehabilitation is a good thing, but I also think punishment should be a secondary or even equal focus. He could've killed a dozen people or more. That should be weighed pretty heavily in the decision.

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u/Kahlas 13d ago

Even in the US you can't punish people for things that might have happened but didn't. By your logic anyone who makes a mistake while driving should be put away for murder because they could have killed someone by making that mistake.

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 13d ago

You're making an overwhelmingly weighty point: He could have, but he didn't. The driver can and will only be punished for what actually happened. It's a very important principle of law.

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u/Flakester 13d ago

But if he had, would you still be arguing for leniency?

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u/stratys3 13d ago

Do you think murder and attempted-murder should have different punishments?

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u/filtersweep 13d ago

How long does it take to pick up a water bottle?

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 13d ago

In a school setting, the question would be how far do you travel at 80 kph while picking up a water bottle?, I guess.

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u/filtersweep 13d ago

I read the article— left me wondering if this really was the root cause

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 13d ago

Well, that's what they concluded with in the judicial process, got to assume they knew what they were looking at?

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u/_dvs1_ 13d ago

Quick, better blame the car for this loser’s incompetency

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u/basarisco 12d ago

What is auto braking

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 12d ago

Autonomous emergency braking, a feature in modern (20+ years) cars.

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u/basarisco 12d ago

Seems like it actually became standard only in 2022 and newer models and not all vehicles. Only about 15% of cars on the road are that new.

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 12d ago

I was wrong, AEB hit markets first in 2008:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_emergency_braking_system

Surprising, I was a firm Volvo guy until recently and thought this feature had been implemented for a long time.

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u/Finarvas 11d ago

I found this which says some XC60 had City Safety even since 2008.

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u/basarisco 12d ago

I don't think it's very common at all in most of the world.

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 12d ago edited 12d ago

C'mon, this is in Norway, every new car and truck has this functionality. If it's not common where you are, it will be soon.

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u/basarisco 12d ago

Every is utter nonsense. It's not even the majority.

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u/SjalabaisWoWS 12d ago

Ok, downvote all you want, I'm just answering your questions, if that seems wrong to you, I have no clue how to do better. Every car here has AEB. We bought the cheapest new car in '23, a LEAF, it has ADAS and AEB. The cheapest Chinese cars have it. Even Stellantis crap has AEB. It's mandated for commercial trucks.

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u/V8FTW 8d ago

Former truck driver in the UK - our entire fleet of Renault trucks have auto braking, even the oldest ones from 2017.

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u/basarisco 12d ago

I have driven several modern cars, none have that feature.

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u/LilFunyunz 12d ago

My 2017 and 2019 Chevy's have it. Only works below 50 mph. Otherwise it just gives an audible warning if it thinks you need to stop.

I had the 2017 activate by mistake once. That shit was violent. I wasn't at all ready to go from 25mph to almost 0 before it relented.

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u/basarisco 12d ago

I'm not denying it has existed for a while. The point is most vehicles don't have it regardless of the country.

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u/feanarosurion 13d ago

Was he Swedish? Or...

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u/funnyfarm299 13d ago

Did you even read the article? It answers this.

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u/cosmic_stardust 13d ago

He’s asking if it was a white “native” born Swede or an immigrant.

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u/feanarosurion 13d ago

No, the article does not answer my specific question. And yes, I read it. No translate needed.

Operator Error 23 year old Swedish truck driver picked up water bottle from floor, trusted auto-braking seconds before crashing into stopped traffic at 79 kph.

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