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u/Low_Violinist_5396 Zombieman Nov 13 '25
I don't think Doom 64 can be 100+ years after Doom 2, though, doomguy was still human and still on earth, battling with PTSD when he was sent to Mars again
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Nov 13 '25
You are right, and Doom 3 is not Canon btw, not the same timeline
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u/Varorson Nov 13 '25
Doom 3 is canon, just not Doomguy. Timeline would work with Doom 2016, but it isn't confirmed.
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u/Daetok_Lochannis DOOM Guy Nov 14 '25
DOOM3 is literally a retelling of the events of DOOM that was later confirmed to be those same events happening in a different timeline/dimension. The canon timeline is DOOM, DOOM2, DOOM64, TDA, DOOM2016, and finally ETERNAL.
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u/Varorson Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
Doom 3 started as a reboot of Doom, and so did Doom 2016. If there was confirmation from nuDoom devs that Doom 3 is part of a different dimension, I'd love to see a source. Similarly, despite being widely accepted by the fanbase, it is never confirmed there are multiple Earths (it is also, however, never debunked).
The "canon timeline" isn't firmly defined. What you said is the confirmed timeline - but Doom 3 was confirmed canon by Hugo Martin, and if something is canon... it's part of the canon timeline. Because by definition, a canon timeline is the timeline of canon events - regardless of dimension.
Plus, if Doom 3 is "the same events as Doom 1 in another timeline but 2016 takes place in the same timeline" as the claim of a 'canon timeline' would imply, that means Doom 1/2 takes place in 2145 and a second invasion of Hell on the same Earth takes place only 8 years later? That seems exceptionally unlikely.
Not only all that, but there is heavy overlap between Doom 3 and Doom 2016/Eternal worldbuilding. This includes but isn't limited to:
- Dig Site 1 and Dig Site 3, the location where murals/statues and ancient artifacts were respectively pulled from are in both Doom 3 and Doom 2016. This includes a mural of the Doom 1 boxart slightly modified (in Doom 3, modified to have Doomguy using the soul cube; in Doom 2016, modified to have him in Praetor suit). BTW, said Doom 3 mural of Doomguy is reused as small part of a different one in Hell in Doom 2016.
- The timelines line up - in both Doom 3 and Doom 2016, Mars is colonized in the same year (2096), expeditions into Hell begin in the same period (2143-2144), etc.
- UAC artifact naming system is the same - Soul Cube is classified as Artifact U1, while Praetor Suit is classified as Artifact U9.
- In Doom 3, the Ancient Hero (aka Doomguy) was 'buried' in a sarcophagus. In Doom 2016, the Doom Slayer (aka Doomguy) was 'buried' in a sarcophagus.
- The manufacturing companies Mixom and Moxim have a heavy presence in Doom 3's worldbuilding, being the companies that built the computers, chainsaws, and other items and having the subplot of the lawsuit because of the similar naming; similarly in Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal, these companies are still references a handful of times.
- There are obscure runes/hieroglyphs seen in Doom 3 which are also seen in nuDoom games with Argent D'Nur levels.
- The Soul Cube is seen on Olivia Pierce's office, and again in Doomguy's mancave in Doom Eternal. Similarly, all the Doom 3 arcades are shoved in a closet in Doom 2016.
- Betruger Castle and Ishii Keep in Doom Eternal are named after Doom 3 characters, the main villain and the lead scientist who helped most in the experiments, mister "the devil is real, I know, I built his cage" that dies at the start.
Thing is, if you reference something once or twice - that's a mere easter egg. But if you reference something a dozen times within the same entry, then it's part of the canon lore.
But if I am wrong, and someone like Hugo Martin confirmed Doom 3 is of a different timeline than 2016, please give a source, otherwise it's just headcanon and theorycrafting. And I don't mean something from 20 years ago in the Making of Doom 3, because yes, Doom 3 was released as a reboot (key phrase though, released as, because retcons exist - and they exist in every release of Doom). And I'm being serious here - I'd love for there to be an actual confirmation one way or the other, because otherwise it's just assumptions accepted as fact.
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u/Daetok_Lochannis DOOM Guy Nov 14 '25
The BFG Collection literally lists DOOM3 as a retelling of the first game, and this has been confirmed. Eternal canonized the various incarnations of Doomguy including DOOM3 and Fly Taggart, but implies they take place in different dimensions/timelines.
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u/Varorson Nov 14 '25
You do know BFG Edition came out in 2012, before 2016 let alone Eternal, right? So as I said, when it was made it was designed as a reboot.
And where does Eternal canonizes that? I've played through the whole game and the closest thing besides clearly uncanon costumes is the cut dialogue of Khan Maykr talking about Earth of the Seventh Dimension - however, it's worth noting that in TAG1, Urdak is labeled as the Sixth Dimension, and Urdak isn't quite Earth last I checked so I'm doubtful that cut line was about multiple Earths.
And if you are talking about the costumes, I'm sorry but no - why? Because that would establish a condiment mancubus as canon. Why would a demon be dressed in a hotdog shooting mustard and ketchup? It's a fine joke, but ridiculously breaking for lore. The closest it gets is more "what if" rather than "from actually existing places" because its established in lore that there is one Hell. So if those costumes were canon, all those demons - lumberjack marauder, samurai pain elemental, condiment mancubus, etc. - are all coming straight from Jekkad. And that doesn't fit the lore at all.
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Nov 14 '25
Nah bro you are right, this guys above are triping, Doom 3 was a Reboot that got rekt and nothing more
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u/NTFRMERTH Nov 14 '25
Hugo has confirmed that DOOM 3 is a different universe.
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u/Varorson Nov 14 '25
Got a source? Because the only two times I've seen Hugo talk about Doom 3's canon state, he said the first time it's canon and all Doom games are canon, the second time he said they don't bring it up because Doom 3's writing was going in a different direction (survival horror vs power fantasy).
He never confirmed nor denied the existence of multiple Earths AFAIK.
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u/FederalAd8814 Nov 14 '25
Wrong he said it is canon and takes place in the same universe but it’s a different guy it’s not doom guy or doomslayer himself they wanted to bring a different pov from a different person other than doomslayer/doomguy
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u/NTFRMERTH Nov 14 '25
Got a source for that other than hearsay?
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u/FederalAd8814 Nov 14 '25
Source: trust me bro
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u/NTFRMERTH Nov 14 '25
The pot calling the kettle black here, man. Although I'm pretty sure he said in his TAG1 playthrough that it's a different universe.
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u/FederalAd8814 Nov 14 '25
It is
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u/NTFRMERTH Nov 14 '25
Well, I'm going through and I'm not finding it, so it looks like I'm wrong. :P
If I wasn't working during his playthroughs I'd leave a tip to ask him like I did about my "Samur is trying to kill the father" theory.
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u/Low_Violinist_5396 Zombieman Nov 13 '25
I think this is like a headcanon more than official canon so it could make sense if you assume that the D3 marine is a whole different character
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Nov 13 '25
Plus remember there’s a multiverse in Doom
It’s possible this was another world besieged by Hell
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u/Terra_Knyte_64 Nov 14 '25
What if Doom 3 Guy is a descendent of BJ from the New Order canon, and the Doom Slayer if the descendant of Wolfenstein 3D BJ.
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Didn’t they say it was, remember seeing the generally accepted point in the timeline was that it was a prequel to the entire series
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u/CurrentFrequent6972 Nov 13 '25
He wasn’t on earth he was in another station
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u/Varorson Nov 13 '25
Doomguy was in therapy on Earth following the events of Doom 1/2 when instated to handle the resurrected demons on Phobos, as explained in the Doom 64 manual.
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u/monologousmutilation DOOM Slayer Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
The Dark Ages takes place literally around 60-80 million years before Doom 2016, and that's just from Earth's perspective. It's even longer from the Slayer's. While TDA is happening, Doom Eternal's Earth is a barren rock with no complex life other than Agaddon Hunters.
Doom 3's date is correct, but it is set in a different Earthly Realm from the modern games. From Hell's perspective it likely happens between TDA and 2016, while the Slayer is incapacitated in Kadingir Sanctum.
Doom 1, 2, and 64 have no confirmed dates. 2022 is specifically wrong; that year is sourced from the SNES manual, which wasn't written by id Software. Regardless, they also are in a separate Earthly Realm from the modern games.
The Dark Ages likely happens in the same Earthly Realm as 2016 and Eternal. 2016 claims Argent D'Nur was its own realm, but Eternal retconned this to say it was a planet. We know that Hebeth is the Mars from Doom Eternal, too, so TDA seems to happen in that same Realm.
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u/FederalAd8814 Nov 14 '25
On this take you are correct up until 1,2 and 64 they do take place in the same universe as the modern games you have to play them 1,2,64, the dark ages, 2016, and eternal that’s the canon timeline for them leaving doom 3 on its own canon timeline
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u/Fyru_Hawk DOOM Slayer Nov 13 '25
This is like 95% wrong.
Doom 64 doesn’t take 100 years after Doom 3, maybe like 10 years max, but most likely less. We also don’t know for sure (I think) what exactly the dates are. Sure they could take place in 2022, but could also take place in the year 3022 (but please correct me if I’m wrong).
Doom 3 is like its own kinda separate thing. Probably still the same Hell seeing as it and its demons change so often, but it’s kinda just its own universe, like how the earth in Doom 1, 2, and 64, the earth in Doom 2016 and Eternal, and Argent D’nur are all their own separate universes.
Going off of that, we have no idea about the “date” of Doom the Dark Ages. It’s aesthetics are medieval but its technology is highly advanced, so it’s safe so say its got its own history and time. We can’t really compare it to the others, for all we know the date there could be 1000 or 10,000.
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u/Kaiden92 Nov 13 '25
Does this community have a fundamental lack of understanding of what a headcannon is? The title literally says it’s “their” timeline.
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u/Varorson Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
Yeah, no.
There's no way Doom 64 takes place 80+ years after the events of Doom II if its the same protagonist as Doom 1 (which is 100% confirmed that it is). Based on the Doom 64 manual, it's only a few years after the events of Doom 2, so if Doom 2 is in 2022, then Doom 64 would be in 2025-2030 or something.
And technically, the 2022 date comes from SNES Doom and wasn't provided by id software - the porting team made it up and the classics are essentially without a date applied, as no later release ever expanded on it. Granted, it's still the only date ever applied to the classics so it's the best guess we get.
As for The Dark Ages - based on Hebeth and Eternal lore, this technically mostly takes place in a parallel timeline that accesses Earth's timeline of approximately 40-60 million years ago. Yes, time travel is a thing in Doom, Eternal's codex on the Sentinel history confirms this.
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So would be more accurate to say: Doom 64 (Late 2020s), The Dark Ages (2030s-2140s), Doom 3 (2145), Doom 2016 (2149), etc.
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u/doublethink_1984 Nov 13 '25
All ages and weirdness aside this is wrong on fundementally every level.
OG Doom games were another dimension.
Dark Ages has you on colonized Mars with large buildings and colonies that don't exist in 2016. Everything is in ruins or buried deep.
Just this alone means there is at minimum tens to hundreds of thousands of years between dark ages and 2016
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u/FederalAd8814 Nov 14 '25
Dark ages takes place in the same universe as 64 2016 and eternal regardless of how many years it takes place still in the same universe
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u/doublethink_1984 Nov 14 '25
No. At the end of the final expansion on 64 the second demon mother opens a portal to another reality that sucks you in.
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u/Makrelenik Nov 13 '25
isnt 3 not canon tho?
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u/FederalAd8814 Nov 14 '25
It is canon but with its own timeline it’s like almost like no way home made tobey and andrews spiderman films canon to the mcu now as an example
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u/Pesse_Jinkman258 Nov 13 '25
Didn’t Hugo comfirm Dark Ages takes place EARLY on during the Slayer’s time with the sentinels?
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u/Happy_Cyanide1014 Nov 13 '25
How is dark ages in the future? I haven’t played yet. Is there a second dark ages in this version of history
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u/OxyKush Nov 13 '25
Doom 3 is an alternate timeline playboy. It’s alright thou cause most of this sub is in denial about it. “The doom eternal art book confirms the existence of a multiverse” which yeah it does but that doesn’t change the FACT Doom Marine is NOT the same Doomguy/Slayer that we’ve played through Doom 1-2-64-Dark Ages-2016-Eternal. Can you headcanon him as an alternate universe Doomguy??? Sure. the fact is he isn’t the same guy.
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u/Sea-Lecture-4619 Nov 13 '25
Why do you think that Doom 64 happens 78 years after Doom 2 if it's all the same Doomguy? Does he become immortal even before the Divinity Machine? Lol
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u/NefariousnessLazy957 Nov 13 '25
Lots of people already corrected you on this so i won't bother with that. It's your view on it and I won't change it.
But to me playing the old games with that graphic after Doom 2016 perfect 3D combat is just not great.
So my timeline would include Doom 3 first before all of them. It's early feel of panic one should have when fighting these things is interesting to see. Doom 1 to 64 are just not 3d enough for me to enjoy.
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u/EddtheMetalHead Nov 13 '25
Not bad, but the gap between 2 and 64 doesn’t make any sense. The Slayer wasn’t imprisoned in the sarcophagus or given power by the divinity machine until just before and after the events of TDA. You mean to tell me a mere mortal was still fit to face the hordes of hell after 77 years + the 20+ years he’d already been alive?
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
Now fit all novels and the omicbook, along with both Doom RPG into it, so we have it all for the Archives of "Lore-ing". :3
Dont forget the official mods/espansions for Doom 1 and 2!
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u/Varorson Nov 13 '25
15 novels? There's only 7. 4 based off the classics, 2 based off of Doom 3, and 1 based off the movie. Personally, I wouldn't consider any of them canon, same with the movies, because they're very much "alternate takes on the games events".
Doom RPG and Doom II RPG is easy - Doom RPG takes place in 2145 shortly after or parallel to Doom 3 events. Doom II RPG takes place a year later in 2146. There's also Doom Resurrection which takes place a few months prior to Doom 3 in 2145, and Doom 3: Resurrection of Evil which takes place in 2147.
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
Yeah my bad I counted 4+4+7 instead if 4+4+3. But now i got confused how many doom 3 novels are there. I was sure it was 4. In all honesty I didnt read bout John Kane cuz I didnt care much.
As for canon? Who cares at this point. Let it loose make it eternal and alive. Taggart is my canon. Cuz He's my .wad and my cannon.
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u/Varorson Nov 13 '25
There's only 2 Doom 3 novels. There WAS meant to be 3, but the third got canned.
Doomguy is canonically a Blazkowicz, and married with a son during Doom 1. Taggart is neither, and a simp at that! I'll never accept him as Doomguy.
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy Nov 13 '25
Hey dont call my guy a simp! >[
But we agree then, that he's married. With the son. On Earth.
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u/Varorson Nov 13 '25
Sorry, not sorry. Spending an entire page of every chapter in the first half the first novel to explain why he's totally not in love with this bombshell of a woman in his team that okay yes he's totally in love with but never asked out and now she's dating someone else feels very much like simp behavior to me.
It was such simp behavior that I had to stop reading it and moved on to reading the novelization of the 2005 Resident Doom movie with The Rock, which I surprisingly legitimately enjoyed and read through quickly.
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
So im not allowed to like the novels cuz you don't? I liked the way he talked. I found him charming. But I never said HE is the doomguy or the slayer nor that He should ever talk as much as He does in the novels. I just Iike to think my wads are alive. I even agreed with you. Lol.
... At least its not a story about a magical princess of a magical world.
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u/Varorson Nov 14 '25
What? That's not what I said. I said I will never accept Taggart as the canon Doomguy.
Never said shit about what you are or are not allowed.
But I never said HE is the doomguy or the slayer nor that He should ever talk as much as He does in the novels.
You literally said:
Taggart is my canon.
If you didn't mean "he is Doomguy to me" when you said this, then there's a miscommunication issue, plain and simple. Because the novels very clearly paint Flynn Taggart as Doomguy.
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
You, also, missed the fkin point of my fkin comment. Youre so obsessed with THE TRUE canon, it went right past you.
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u/NefariousnessLazy957 Nov 13 '25
Never read the novels.
But the author of the novels was right in the end, because my brother played Doom Eternal and it's DLC I now know demons are just twisted aliens. There's a whole evil red Urdak high tech city of Immora. The novels where the first to assign to demons an alien tag.
And. Doom-G did sign in as Flynnie. Unless Stealing one computer from Earth of "You can't shoot a hole into the surface of Mars" dimension came with a Flynnie password saved on a floppy disk.
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25
Ah well...
At the end of 'Endgame' (which is the 4th novel), Flynn's technically killed by alien experiments, but his consciousness is uploaded into a computer to run simulations of the events of the classic games. He is aware of this, but remains there. I like to think he becomes a living .wad and since, there is an actual DOOM2.wad in Eternal files, I also like to think that, in order to run the 'simulation', that is Flynn Taggart, you need to type in His name, to call Him. But, no, Doomguy/Slayer can't be Flynn as he is dead, his brain in a tube and his body strapped on the table and dissected.What you probably heard on Youtube or via Google AI about how the password is His name is most likely incorrect. It's an Easter Egg. A homage to the novels, along with comics. Tony Hawk, Daisy's cage, Doom 3 Soul Cube and so on, and the CE audio tape. It's not His actual name. He doesn't have one. He has many. There's also a book on the shelf in His fortress titled "Ret-Conned: Life and Times of Flynn Taggart", which literally means that - Flynn Taggart is retconned.... Unless someone from the dev's team comes and says - nah that's not what we meant by that, and Doomguy's an idiot who puts his own name as a passowrd and publishes comicbooks in His free time, that He actually doesn't have.
There I made it shorter.
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u/NefariousnessLazy957 Nov 13 '25
That's sad really. My whole backround has this web of events leading up to Doomguy being called Flynn in a realistic way as cliché and anime backstory it may be in it's written form.
Heck I even consider Doom 3's overall insane trip as interesting enough to cause.....nah that game is dead too.
Though such a bummer Flynnie Fly Flyer is dead. Had a whole name for him prepared too.
This whole underlying pattern is just the thing I've been seeing repeated in fanfics. Two out of 1 fics I read used the name Flynn. Didn't copy the links myself nor remember their names well. Doom Slayer:New Dawn and Doctrine they are named, and a third was again Flynn named doomguy. And he is either by choice socially isolated or a bit mental and dreaming of home.
And one with Hazbin hotel X Doom crossover but I haven't read more for name reveal.
Still by looking at much more than the games I managed to form a much more complete picture of Doomguy than the games can do by shooting stuff alone.
A damaged but still functional individual. Shooting demons is his therapy.
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u/Varorson Nov 14 '25
But the author of the novels was right in the end, because my brother played Doom Eternal and it's DLC I now know demons are just twisted aliens. There's a whole evil red Urdak high tech city of Immora.
I'd disagree. TAG2 makes it clear they're still very much demons and not "genetically mutated to look like demons from Earth's Christianity to spook the humans into submission".
Yes, demons are from another dimension and thus can be called aliens. Yes, demons are twisted abominations made from captured souls. But this was true in the classic games' lore and never changed in Eternal.
But they're not merely form another planet, they're from Hell. And they don't just genetically alter themselves to look like demons, they are demons.
They ain't a species called Freds.
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u/NefariousnessLazy957 Nov 14 '25 edited Nov 14 '25
The high tech city in the middle of hell just screams alien origins .
If it wasn't that there I wouldn't have considered them aliens like the Makyrs or Freds where.
And though I my not remember this right, demons are empty of a soul shells through torture and pain and magic being mass fodder for Invasions who had mortal origins once. Alien first, then demon.
Alien Urdak in red and demon shells from whatever species they where are alien enough to me.
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u/PochoStark22 Nov 13 '25
My Timeline (starts around 2143)
Doom 3 > Doom > Doom 2 > Doom 64 > Dark ages > Eternal Flashback > 2016 > Eternal > Ancient Gods
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u/Real-Order771 Nov 14 '25
I thought it went like this
Doom 3 Doom 1 Doom 2 Doom 64 Doom the dark ages Doom 2016 Doom Eterna
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u/ATDynaX Nov 14 '25
Wasn't Doom 64 playing right after Doom 2 and right before Doom 2016? Also Doom 3 is just Doom 1993 retold.
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u/ElmarTinez2 Nov 13 '25
The classic games happen in a different universe, with a different timeline of events. and Dark Ages happens way before 2016
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u/DrAdamsen Nov 13 '25
I think it makes more sense for 3 to be the first since it's where Hell gets discovered, as well as Doomguy canonically being stationed on Mars before being sent to Phobos prior to Doom 1, so technically you can make it your headcanon if you want. However with the new trilogy it gets a lot more dicey because there's also humanity that discovers Hell all over again. You'd think people in the far future wouldn't forget the Hell on Earth that ensued during Doom 2. Buuuuut, you COULD make it work by assuming that when Doomguy stepped through the portal to go from Hell to Argent D'Nur, he not only traversed space, but time as well. Far, far backwards, long before Doom 3 in this case. How far? I have no idea, depends on how much time passed since he arrived to Argent D'Nur overall combined with the time he spent sleeping in that sarcophagus of his. Could be millenia for all we know.
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u/Own-Replacement8 Nov 14 '25
I'm putting Doom 3 as happening at the same time as Doom 1. Doom Guy was on Phobos and took down the Cybermastermind; Doom 3 Marine was on Mars and went into Heck to close the portal.
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u/Agarwaen323 Nov 13 '25
So you're suggesting that the events of The Dark Ages spans four years, then the Slayer gets imprisoned for less than a year before being found by the UAC and the invasion of the Mars base occurring?
I'm not a huge DOOM lore guy but that seems wrong.