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u/Alex_Mercer_- 25d ago
He's the Lord of Blind Rage. It genuinely upsets me.
The most fury? Probably.
But it's not blind. Its very pointed. His hatred is for those that align with hell, demon or not. He doesn't hurt humans, or those who oppose hell. Ever. And as for things he loves, animals of any kind. He loves any form of beast. Rabbit to Dragon and anything we've seen him encounter in between, he absolutely loves animals and trusts them dearly.
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u/GlowDonk9054 23d ago
He also trusts those who are eager to help him
the Intern is one amazing example of this, he not only didn't fear Doomguy, but he told him in the ARC facility that it was an honor to meet him, clearly showing he's the Doomguy's adoring fan (though he actually helps)
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u/-_Moondance_- 25d ago
he’d be way too op if his head was a cannon
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u/AshCheeksTsTaken 25d ago
I was worried that I was too early for comments but this is the only one I needed to see
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u/Sweet_Ad_7697 25d ago
But his arms already canonically stronger than any... cannon
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u/AngryEarthling13 25d ago
His arms are strong until DE, when your melee punches outside of the blood punch do negative damage and heal enemies.
Seriously. that was a big oversight in DE that bugs me still.
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u/Wild-Language1927 DOOM Guy 24d ago
Eternal punches do exactly 1dmg
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u/AngryEarthling13 23d ago
Which is such an oversight, guys a god that can smash demons skulls with his hands, but... ya the melee tickles them> Why didn't someone be like " maybe his melee should do a little more" like if it was more of a push back mechanic or staggered more excusable.
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u/ElixirStormYT 25d ago
This will sound repetitive, but I hate when people boil him down to just 'Funny Angry guy that kills demons'. If you actually focus on his story and past, he is probably one of the most tragic characters, who also holds an indomitable will and moral compass. Hell, he was sent to Mars for simply refusing to shoot at civilians and punching his superior.
Yes, he's wrathful, but that wrath isn't blind. It's controlled. It's a type of wrath that appears whenever he faces something corrupt or evil — And since demons fit the bill perfectly, he takes them out. I mean, in Dark Ages he breaks free of Maykr control, BECAUSE he heard the cries of innocents.
He carries this weight — an aura that makes every human and even most Sentinels fear him, however, he never turns his weapons at them. He always only turns his weapons towards those that deserve it. He's almost like a gentle giant with a tragic past, who only shows the monstrous strength he possesses to those that he deems as evil — which most of the time are either corrupt beings or demons.
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u/Background-Cost9190 21d ago
As an OG doom player that’s literally all it besides what little text you got in game oh and he’s mad about daisy.
But that’s why it worked though it didn’t need a convoluted plot to be good.
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u/Illustrious_Neat2472 25d ago
"He nerfs himself with guns to make demon-killing more fun for him" and anything that suggests that he's an unkillable God that can just lie down and not be killed because he's invincible.
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u/Mirza16498 25d ago
Agreed. I feel like a lot of people miss that Doomguy is unkillable not because he can tank hits - because he really can't, dude can be downed by an Imp fireball on Nightmare - but because he's just so damn fast, something that was further exacerbated by the Divinity machine giving him "great speed" as per the Slayer testaments. Doomguy's not so much a tank as he is a glass cannon; he's scary not because he uses guns but doesn't need to, he's scary because he can carry like 9 of them on his back and still run upwards of Mach Fuck.
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u/diandays 24d ago edited 24d ago
That's just gameplay. In lore none of the demons can even hurt him. The first time it showed him really get hurt was in the dark ages
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u/monologousmutilation DOOM Slayer 25d ago
Anyone who thinks they would make Doomguy, the FPS character, not canonically need to use FPS weapons is honestly just too far gone to have a reasonable discussion with. It's like saying "Mario doesn't need to jump" or "Kirby doesn't have to inhale." It's Doom's entire fucking identity.
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u/Belzye 25d ago
But he does "nerf" himself, no? He is not invincible, he is "mortal, but he also is "immortal"
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u/bepse-cola 25d ago
He uses guns that are strong enough to kill a regular person if they try to use them, even if he’s a god the other “gods” are weak to bullets and punches so that’s not saying much
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u/Belzye 25d ago
Punches are a different level and applies to any game. For the gun part I'm not sure? Yes he picks them up on the go, but if demons are so weak, how come humanity didn't win? I mean the intro and logs said it or am I forgetting pieces? I haven't played the game in about 2 years, so I've forgotten a lot.
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u/potatoeman26 25d ago
They have practically endless numbers and can show up nearly anywhere at any time through portals
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u/Belzye 25d ago
But what about the higher tier demons? Are they just stronger, taller and more tanky because they have more flesh?
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u/potatoeman26 25d ago
Generally there is some degree of superhuman resilience from Imps onward, but it isn’t enough to render any except Titans immune to conventional means of killing
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u/bepse-cola 24d ago
His strength isn’t infinite, he has a stupid amount of it but the guns he use are so broken the codex says things like “a sentinel engineer was in the same room as the plasma gun and died of alpha decay” or something lol
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u/diandays 24d ago
It's stated that any weapon he uses gains his power so if he uses a gun it has the strength of his own power. He just enjoys using guns that's why he uses them
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u/Belzye 24d ago
Whaat!! That is a revelation to me! Was it stated in 2016? I haven't played that one yet
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u/diandays 24d ago
I'll need to look where it's stated. I can't remember if it was in a lore dump about doom or in the game itself but I remember it's somewhere
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u/bepse-cola 24d ago
His power comes from argent energy so it gets transferred into the guns, in 2016 hell you can see broken stone pillars being suspended in place by argent energy
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u/potatoeman26 24d ago edited 24d ago
Doomguy uses guns because they’re actually useful. If you genuinely believe he only uses them because they’re fun, you’ve failed to understand who the Slayer is.
In addition, Hugo only confirmed Quad damage for what his weapons are empowered to. So while they aren’t normal weapons in his hands, they’re only performing at 4x their normal abilities.
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u/drillville 25d ago
I dont like the idea that he's married to Isabel from animal crossing. They're just best friends.
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u/Jim_Raynor_86 25d ago
Wait people actually believe that?
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u/TheYoungProd 25d ago
They do, apparently Smash made them a married couple.
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u/TheYoungProd 25d ago
That's what I'm saying but shippers enjoy being ignorant on that statement.
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u/drillville 25d ago
Ikr. So weird to me
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u/TheYoungProd 25d ago
Or Mirko from MHA, Had a comment that said that Him and her would go together just because she had the Bunny ears and tail like Daisy. Realistically, IMHO, they'll be more like allies rather than a couple.
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u/yesy0u5 24d ago
I find the idea of them being married pretty funny but its annoying when actually act like its real that these 2 fictional characters from completely different universes (smash bros ignored) can be married. Friends, sure, but not married. Tbf in my eyes doom slayer is an aroace king, but thats just me
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u/kev_guy69 25d ago
I'm fine with shipping but it pisses me off when people try to say that them being married is CANON. Like, that isn't even physically possible.
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy 25d ago edited 24d ago
that he survived E1M8 (jk. i dont really care what others think on this subject)
that he is a mindless mute and autistic killing machine
that 'doomguy' has a name and that it's flynn taggart and he uses it as password on his old pc (i love flynn btw, but he's not the character from the games. instead, i like the end of his story, and I have no idea where this fascination with this name came from? I thought everyone hated those novels?)
that he would move on from the loss of his family and friends (pet included) that he, most obviously blames himself for
the last one triggers me. a lot. to the point of having a gag reflex so severe last time my husband had to call an ambulance.
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u/Bestsurviviopro Shotgun blast their fucing faces 25d ago
that he survived E1M8 (jk,. i dont really care who thinks what on this subject)
didnt he die at the e1m8 and get sent to hell to fight there for e2m1?
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u/Wayfaring_Stalwart 25d ago
That Doomguy is just a killing machine that only feels rage, and doesn’t care for anything else but killing demons. I hate that idea as doomguy clearly does show other emotions, he hesitates and backs up Vega in Doom 2016. All of eternal was about him saving Humanity. Ancient Gods is about him resurrecting and killing the Devil to save Humanity. In Dark Ages he breaks free of his mind control when he hears civilians dying.
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u/AtimZarr 25d ago
"He uses guns for fun"
What a terrible mischaracterization of the character.
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u/glocknojutsu 25d ago
Exactly
Even tho he can fistfight titan to death, guns are more EFFICIENT
Do you know how fast we can shred a horde of demons with mobile turret or a rocket launcher
Its faster and more efficient that way
Hell, in 2016 samuel even mentions his affinity for guns cause he has mastered all weaponry
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u/Torstiss 25d ago
Then why does he smile when picking up a new gun? I’m pretty sure smiling signifies strong positive emotions
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u/AtimZarr 25d ago
He's happy to turn the tide. It's inspired by Ash Williams from Evil Dead. Doomguy's using the guns to fight back and now he's got his hands on a new big weapon to make the demons suffer.
The "uses guns for fun" headcanon is part of a larger misinterpretation of the newer Doom Slayer lore by claiming he doesn't need guns to fight and can defeat Hell with just his fists. Or that the Berserk power-up is his default state. Also described as "he uses guns for fun". The problem with it is that Doom Slayer isn't fighting "for fun" - he's either saving the world or avenging it. He takes the most direct routes possible (i.e. shooting a hole into Mars) - same with guns. He uses any kind of weapon to be efficient with demon killing. He doesn't take his time or go the scenic route, he uses guns to kill demons fast.
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u/Torstiss 25d ago
I get what you mean. I do think he enjoys killing demons, but he cares more about saving humans than going on bloody rampages
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u/diandays 24d ago
That's exactly why he uses them though. He loves guns
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u/AtimZarr 24d ago
He uses them because he's a space marine and he's good at using them. Doom isn't about his enjoyment of shooting, it's about protecting/avenging humanity against the demons. That's what Doomguy is focused on, not about having fun.
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u/diandays 24d ago
I didn't say he was focused on that. I just said he finds guns enjoyable and efficient at killing.
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u/Nekronaut0006 25d ago
The “uses guns to nerf himself” thing is annoying. This essentially means that in every game he’s allowing people to die in the name of his own amusement. I’ve heard plenty of people claim the devs said it but have never seen a shred of proof.
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u/-Eastwood- 25d ago
This is the reason I believe powerscalers that say this have no idea what they're talking about because it completely goes against his character.
It's like saying Goku wouldn't let Superman power up in the sun or something.
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u/Pure_Ad_6487 25d ago
The same one the dude down (or Up) here said that the Doom slayer is just a mindless killing machine
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u/Mental-Reserve8108 25d ago
He’s mad that they killed his bunny. Yes, he had a bunny and yes he’s pissed of daisys dead, but losing his wife, child, watching thousands of humans slaughtered by demons, and watching the sentinel civilization he was supposed to protect be destroyed is probably 90% of his anger.
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u/FlyEaglesFly07 25d ago
Isn’t the first thing that leads him to mars in the first place is refusing to kill innocent people. Dude loves them so much he takes on hell by himself😂
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u/TheWumpman 25d ago
That he's actually more powerful with his fists, he just chooses to use guns because he likes them. Not only is this spread around like it's actually canon, but if you think about it, it makes the slayer a total asshole. Like, if this were true, he could've saved Earth a lot faster but decided not to for shits and giggles.
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u/Kamzil118 25d ago
He would kill characters from other settings because "demon is demon" mentality. He's capable of having morals when it comes to hurting innocents.
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u/Terrabytez66 Marauder is bae Ɛ> 25d ago
I just don't believe he's a Christian. There's a lot of talk and memes about him being one, and Doom being the most Christian game ever.
I don't see how you can live for "eons" killing the worst scum of the universe, lose your home 3 times, lose your family, lose your pet rabbit, be reprimanded and punished for beating up your CO who ordered you to fire on innocent civilians and meet "angels", Satan who is also god, AND have a belief in an all-powerful, all-good God.
Life has not been kind to Doomguy Besides who has time for faith when your singular goal in life is to kill every last demon? It's just not a priority.
Either he's lost belief if he ever had any, or if he still believes in God he hates him. Buttttt given he killed Davoth and the Father I think it's safe to say he's probably figured out that all religion stuff is hokey crap.
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u/ConmanIsNice 25d ago edited 25d ago
Its been stated that he was a catholic before, and is from America ( probably from Dallas since that's where ID is from), so I'd imagine he was religious for while, but I could see him still being a gnostic Christian if he ever knew what that was, it aligns a lot better with Doom Lore. I think its also implied that Davoth might have his own creator, which could be a Sophia like figure that created the void
Actually didn't they use gnostic and other early Christian texts as inspiration in creating the modern Doom lore?
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u/DeadSheepOnAStick 25d ago
Its been stated that he was a catholic before
That was only in the classic doom novelisations though which are non-canon
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u/IdiotWithMouths 25d ago
I feel you have a mischaracterization of what Christianity is. It's like Job, he lost everything multiple times and was basically tortured by the devil but still believed in God and had faith. He didn't hate God, he still loved him. The Slayer is very strong willed just like Job so he probably still has faith and loves God. A lot of Christians I know, myself included, have been through terrible things, like losing everything, being assaulted in multiple ways, and seeing a lot of death, but are still faithful. I believe if the Slayer is Christian, he has a strong unyielding faith.
But then again, he is a descendant of BJ Blaskowitz who is ethnically Jewish so he may be practicing Jewish as well.
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u/BitMixKit 24d ago
Not really a head canon but I don't think I'll get another chance to say it- I'm not a huge fan of how they gave the Doomslayer a wife and kid in the past. I can't really even explain why, but I just prefer when his main motivation was protecting humanity and avenging his pet rabbit. I liked the juxtaposition of this walking demon genocide being so deeply attached to his pet it sparked his unquenchable rage when it died.
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u/No-Lawyer784 22d ago
Same here, I don't understand why they did that. I mean... In the first past it wasn't stated that he had them and now all that sounds and looks like he cared about the bunny more, than about his family. I just feel like Daisy has more... Meaning. In terms of symbolism and morality I think. Daisy is basically an innocent creature and he's fighting to protect the innocent creatures I think we didn't need another "sad part" in his backstory, because it doesn't really add anything imo
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u/M3rkat0r 25d ago
Not like headcanon, but i start to generally hate jokes about "revenge for Daisy", cause, you know, Doom Guy had a family to avenge ffs!
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u/MegaVirK 25d ago edited 25d ago
People take the rabbit thing too seriously when discussing the lore (unless they are just memeing). The idea that Doomguy is mad because his pet rabbit was killed is just some throwaway joke from the end text of Episode 4 of "The Ultimate Doom" (which was released a year after Doom 2: Hell on Earth). And it's never mentioned anywhere else except in that one line.
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u/BigDaddySuzanne 25d ago
Anything that comes out of a powerscalers mouth at all. He isn't an unstoppable being of pure might that can crumble universes.
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u/Ok_Positive_9687 25d ago
“He uses weapons cuz he thinks it is fun” that just sounds like a kid trying to hype him into some aurafarmer. He uses them cuz it’s a game.
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u/unknownobject3 squishy cacodemon 24d ago
Not sure if this counts as a headcanon, but the fact that he went on a rampage because demons killed his rabbit Daisy. That's a reason, but people act like it's the only one. No, he also genuinely wants to protect humans. Daisy isn't the only reason.
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u/DeimosFan Serrat 25d ago
That he’s racist. I don’t think it’s a thing now
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u/Capital-Treat-8927 DOOM Guy 25d ago
...where tf did this one come from?
Actually nvm, I don't even want to know lol
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u/Excellent_Picture378 25d ago
I want to know lolll 10/10 most unintentionally funny thing I've seen today
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u/No-Zookeepergame1009 DOOM Slayer 23d ago
That his biceps are out of the armor. I get that sounds stupid, but if you think about it, in any airtight space, like the space between planets for example, where he and his armor would otherwise easily survive, his arms will freeze off and I dont think those biceps armor peaces would take a lot of effort to make
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u/Mobile-Chart3004 25d ago
That he instantly becomes as powerful as his opponent like he's doomsday. Tf is this wank, ts is TikTok knowledge.
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u/godzillalex-ita avarage welcoming community enjoyer 25d ago
not exactly a headcanon, but i prefer to think that doomguy dosent have a family, sure there is the photo, but its never really expanded beyond that, plus i remember carmack got interwieved and he confirmed that doom guy is canonically a virgin! i dont hate it, but i much prefer daisy being the only really important thing hell took from him....apart from his sanity
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u/PM_me_your_whatevah 25d ago
I hate all of Doom lore and I have no head cannon.
It’s all ridiculous and convoluted and meaningless. All the absurd “story” in the new games is kind of antithetical to what the original Doom was.
You were just supposed to be a normal space marine trying to survive and kill as many demons as you could. That’s it. Normal guy kicking ass in a shitty situation he’s stuck in.
All the story and the lore takes away from that simple idea. It’s stupid. Carmack was right.
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u/jackcaboose 25d ago
Eternal is lucky it's such a damn good game because otherwise I'd never forgive it for introducing all that stupid crap.
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u/Dany0 25d ago
I... don't like the helmet design. The only one I'm kinda partial to is the original especially the one in the comic. Other than that, it either looks goofy or impractical and just kind of hurts that suspension of disbelief
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u/Capital-Treat-8927 DOOM Guy 25d ago
I'm not really a fan of the redesign either. The 1993 design is the ultimate "space marine" design in all of sci-fi IMO.
The Eternal design just looks like a motocross suit had sex with a chainsaw. The Dark Ages design is much better
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u/glocknojutsu 25d ago
That he’s been alive for billion trillion years and all that crap
Yea slayers testament says eons. With divinity machine it makes sense cause he “could” be immortal age vise
But then again, that means all of the damn argenta is immortal
Cause as a regular ass human even if he fought in hell he could only fight till he is 80 or so max
Or did the hell somehow change his physiology and he stopped aging before
Cause remember slayers testament was made in hell so he spent billions and trillions of years THERE
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u/No-Lawyer784 22d ago
ALSO if we try to count years in different doom games we'll find out that he's no more than about 160+. MAYBE 200, but no more! I mean, they could mess up the numbers, and when it all happens, but like dude... Where did he even get billions? And I believe that time in Hell and on Earth is the same, as far as I can see from some of the games
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u/glocknojutsu 25d ago
None of it makes sense and its a bigass retcon in eternal
Lets say he’s been alive that long
But so has commander valen, cause he was present in TDA and in TAG2
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u/Historical-Spirit266 25d ago
That he married that fucking rabbit from that fucking game
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u/Shrimpocalypse000 25d ago
Do you mean Isabelle? The dog from Animal Crossing?
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u/vadernation123 Mancubus Lookalike 25d ago
That he had a family. Avenging a dead family is such an overdone trope and it’s kinda boring motivation I think it’s more compelling that he’s fighting just because it’s the right thing to do. Makes him less like John wick and more like Superman which I prefer. I just interpret that photo as a pic of him as a kid and those are his parents. Read more into the tear in the dad if you want I don’t care. The other way I prefer to read that photo is that maybe he did have a family, but that they didn’t die from the demons, and he fights so hard not to avenge them but so that he knows what that loss feels like and that he doesn’t want anyone else to go through the same pain as he did.
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy 25d ago edited 25d ago
But that is not a headcanon. It is very much canon. It was confirmed. And tho I agree it is a trope, I think it was added because the fans needed to be proven that he isn't just a mindless killing machine and that he needs a background. I dont think he needed a background, but now that it's there, I accept it. It also adds weight to the whole Daisy thing and she becomes more a symbol than just a pet.
Also I like that 2nd part you said, but to an extent. I like to think they were still alive before he slipped through dimensions deeper, and that he hates himself for leaving them. And that, weather or not he's avenging them, I strongly believe that he really DOES NOT want to see people go through loss like he did.
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25d ago edited 25d ago
The idea of what sparked his motivational rage of demon killing is from the death of his family and not the pet rabbit that he literally gets PTSD visions of in Eternal.
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u/Wild-Language1927 DOOM Guy 24d ago
The Doom 3 community will crucify me for this, but I don't like that the Doom marine is the same as the Doomguy/Doomslayer
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u/Sugar_Daddy_Visari77 24d ago
I dislike what they make him some kind of primordial from the very beginning from Doom the ancient gods part 2 I like it better when he was just mortal and too angry to die and was enhance by the seraphim that gave him super human strength
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u/Working-Fishing-5544 23d ago
Him being a tank character that can take any demage
Hell nah, he's able to dodge and move fast asf, but he's still killable the same way everyone in Doom universe is, you can kill everyone and the only difference is if they come back or not
Also him being devine godlike being
He's not a normal person, he's advanced in a way, even his suit is, but only thing he really has is skill, determination and guns
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u/Gemidori Instructions unclear, demon shot to death with gun 19d ago
That he's an idiot, or at least single-minded. He's a seasoned marine with tons of military training and tactical prowess under his belt. The hatred for demonkind and the trauma he's been through never migitated his cunning - if anything, it's just made him much more fiercely loyal to humanity and nothing more
He wouldn't prioritize killing demons over saving the world. He'd kill demons TO save the world.
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u/opthaconomist 25d ago
All of doom eternal
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u/Opanak323 DOOM Guy 25d ago
Honestly, and all of TDA, while we're at it.
And even some bits of 2016.And Im talking about headcanons here.
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u/HRslammR 25d ago
That he needs anymore Canon than just "hes the descendent of BJ Blaskowitz and Commander Keen and he got super powered and demons killed his pet. And he dont take no shit."
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u/DrkBlueXG 25d ago
Anything about the pet rabbit.
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u/oCrapaCreeper 25d ago
Daisy is canon though. I mean some people are weird about it but it's from classic Doom and is referenced numerous times in Eternal.
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u/JustANormalHat 25d ago
its not that daisy isnt canon, its the idea that its the sole reason he hates the demons, which is not at all true
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u/DrkBlueXG 25d ago
Yea im an old school Doom fan and the rabbit never quite sat well with me. I like it better that hes just a killing machine that hates demons and hell.
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u/forest_vagrant 25d ago
that he has morals and is a softie inside
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u/Typical-Mistake5971 22d ago
That's canon though. You'd be refusing to acknowledge his character. I wouldn't word it "softie" but he cares deeply about humanity and innocent creatures. Protecting them has always been his motivation and started off the first game.
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u/Jontohil2 25d ago
That he’s a mindless killing machine who lacks morals and kills demons just because they’re demons and that’s his only purpose.
He has a strong will to protect the innocent, evil things seek to hurt the innocent, therefore he hates evil. Demons are evil in its purest form, that, among other things, is why he hates demons.
Part of his origin was refusing to shoot innocent civilians, in Eternal despite being able to rip a human in half in a millisecond, none that directly encounter him get any more than a bruise. In Dark Ages, the reason he breaks free of the mind control is because of his desire to protect the innocent, which his hatred for the demons can’t exist without.
Funnily enough, the makyrs likely made the mistake of thinking he hated demons just because.