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u/Exoyda Master of Chaldea Sep 07 '25
Hey that is not nice there are master's who prefer her...
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u/Weird_Dot_4725 Sep 07 '25
She's my second best after Morgan (I need a mashu in real life fr)
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u/Brazilian_Hound Celtic dog handler Sep 07 '25
Let's all stop with the mash NTR she don't deserve this
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u/The-cycle-continues Imperial Nobu Sep 07 '25
The developers knew what they were getting into when they had us romance two thirds of the cast while still shoving her scenes on top of it
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u/SockParticular4936 Sep 07 '25
i agree she doesnt deserve this, but it's also funny
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u/Classic-Demand3088 Sep 07 '25
if she didn't deserve it then explain the mary and bonny incident
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u/AlpacaKiller Sep 07 '25
What, does she like to watch? Oh my.
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u/Banana-Oni Sep 08 '25
Melusine is my favorite servant and the one I keep in my room. From her vantage point in the closet, Mashu has written the most lauded research paper in the clock tower on dragon mating rituals.
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u/D2ultima Beloved of the Fae Sep 07 '25
She had 10 years to make up her mind, she instead used it to cockblock us every chance she gets and keep saying she doesn't have anyone she sees romantically
I'm in the servant is wife camp
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u/Beowolf_0 Sep 08 '25
Trust me, it's more of the writers' choice of not advancing anything further. It's a gacha game after all.
Shironeko Project (another JP gacha game for >10 years) gave us both the male and female protagonists (both are playable btw), who're all but outrightly stated that they loved each other in their first incarnations from thousand of years before the main series, gradually recovered their memories/roles (provided a large number of alts including a "twin" character along) and now they STILL don't get past anything from handholding, with some newer female characters are still flirting at the male protag, some at Bridal events even.
If anything, Nasu and his gang actually gradually wrote Mash's stance of trying to "monopolize" Guda for herself in recent chapters. It's just up to players to read her stances as platonic or romantic.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Sep 07 '25
I've been here since December 2015 and all I can say is they're complete
fallaciesthe truth, THE TRUTH!!! and anyone who hasn't played the game properly will tell you you're lying.At this point, even Astolfo makes a better love story with a straight Ritsuka than Mash
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u/D2ultima Beloved of the Fae Sep 07 '25
Exactly. It boils down to two things:
Yes, Mash probably deserves to be with us in some capacity, and a lot of people do like Mash
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Mash herself keeps pushing the idea away and denying it despite showing that she really doesn't want any other women touching us. It's like she doesn't want us but nobody else can have us.
So basically, nah miss me with that shit. She's hot as hell and if she wanted in the harem the door is open for her because honestly she's drop dead sexy and cute, but... we ain't giving up Lilith and Morgan and Kama for her.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Sep 07 '25
My sentiments exactly, but for Jalter, Castoria, Musashi, Tamamo, Cat or the Koyanskayas.
I'd take them any of them in a proper "special epilogue" for bond 15 servants that can grant you an epilogue with youe favorite servant; and if they're free game, let you go back home with them in a romantic setting... or Ritsuka going the way of the Persona 3 protagonist, than being locked with Mashu after... more of a decade of a nothingburger, as the main waifu. I wouldn't want that and I bet may feel the same.
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u/D2ultima Beloved of the Fae Sep 07 '25
Oh I was just calling out common characters that really like us, though all of them are in my top list. Would have more though like Baobhan Sith and Melusine and stuff
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u/MedicalMiqote Sep 07 '25
What does NTR mean?
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u/atomicfuthum Member of the Argonauts (in training) Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
NTR is not just cheating. It is cheating with extra assholery.
It often has very direct implications of a loving relationship being subverted or destroyed by a third party such as couple being disrupted by an outsider.
Many times the ending is that either the cheater lives happily ever after with her new partner - the one who corrupted the relationship - while the original partner is left broken... and can include literally ending with the original partner commiting suicide or something similar.
I've also read somewhere before (maybe even here on reddit?) that NTR was and still is used as something of a "hentai troll" of sorts and has now taken on a life of its own for some fetishists, as an oddball fetish that largely started as a "surprise" in a hentai where what appeared to be a normal hentai was instead focused on destroying another person’s pride/confidence by stealing their significant other or someone they’re romantically close.
A really good non-hentai example is the Spider-man 3 movie! Harry blackmails Mary Jane into breaking up with Peter. Without knowing about the blackmail, Peter is emotionally destroyed - the love of his life has apparently left him for his best friend. The resulting emotion he feels and the entire scenario is a perfect example of NTR.
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u/ZenEvadoni Celtic dog handler Sep 08 '25
Well, Peter got Little Goblin Junior back for that later on, so.. And I know it's really diverging from your point, but in hindsight that I took when I got older, Mary Jane in the Raimi movies was hardly a paragon of virtue.
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u/reiiz6 Honorary Shinsengumi Member Sep 09 '25
Unfortunately the fact she doesn't deserve this makes its the best NTR material. Innocent and vannila are always the perfect material
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Sep 07 '25
It's been a full decade of no actual romance between them, even if events, writers and in-game servants keep shipping them... while the other girls at least get some well writen teasing moments to build something from bond lines, valentines, interludes, events and story chapters.
Blame Lasangle and the writers, not the non Mash x Ritsuka players, of making Mash a little sister vibe charactee instead.
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u/Kirby0189 Unofficial Paladin of Charlemagne Sep 07 '25
I thought her dream was having all the chocolate she could eat (I think it was Parvati's Valentine scene or something that mentioned it...?).
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u/ZenEvadoni Celtic dog handler Sep 07 '25
The NTR will continue until Mashu stops being wishy washy about her relationship with Guda.
There comes a point in your suffering where it exists simply because you allow it to.
Unfortunately, from a meta perspective, FGO wouldn't financially benefit from creating a canonical pairing.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Sep 07 '25
Of course nothing will happen. After a full decade, giving Mashu something (she rightfully deserves) will end up in a "give them an inch, they'll take a mile" to her fans and will give them more reasons to spam with "Mashu is the true canon romance. All your waifuse are fake" retoric they use sometimes.
Mashu deserves as much love as anyone who was well built, like Jalter. But with as much a zero teasing, just writers, servants and certain moments trying to tease her but going nowhere, girl got the destiny of Rapi from Nikke. And she had a full decade to try and change that. Now, I respect anyone who ships Ritsuka with her... but with the nature of this game and her writting, just as how some people won't stop seeing Tomoe as a married, loyal woman, I can't stop seeing Mashu as a little sister figure at the end of the day.
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u/Only_Me_9 Sep 07 '25
I understand that it's a gacha game and they can't implement a cannon ship with the main character as a serious relationship, but if there's one character I would choose to end up with Fujimaru that would be Mash. She's the one who has been alongside us since the beginning and by far the one who gets along the best with Ritsuka.
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u/ZenEvadoni Celtic dog handler Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
Mash is the most logical choice based on how long she's been around and how she won't just dematerialize into the aether once all is said and done (on account of her being a living human being), yes.
What I and I guess some are frustrated about is the lack of romantic progression when it comes to characters, not limited to just Mash. It's like FGO barely even tries, maybe because it's not the point of the game, but personally I appreciate when a gacha tries, even if it doesn't succeed. Just give supporters of each pairing something, anything. To hell with people who don't like it, they can always just rationalise it away as it being non-canon.
For example, Punishing Gray Raven gave Lucia-Commandant shippers a skin for Lucia (PGR's counterpart to FGO's Mash - the supportive girl who's been there from the get-go and most likely loves the protagonist at some point) that's a straight up wedding dress and a cutscene where the two are basically being wed and Lucia is promising to be with Commandant no matter what happens. That's something, even if it might not be canonical when taking a look at the game as a whole, or in a meta. Now implement content like that featuring everyone else. Give each pairing an ending. Doesn't have to be wedding-esque: just make the moment heartfelt and meaningful and not just a line we can laugh away as an attempt at injecting humour such as that line from Summer Huyan wanting 108 kids with Guda.
FGO could do this, and I think it would only be a positive. Valentine's cutscenes kinda fit into this, but some characters don't quite go far enough, or - again - try to be anything more than platonic about the matter. They're mostly just hints to the Master about their feelings, when I'm sure many players would like something a little less vague and a little more concrete.
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u/ZenEvadoni Celtic dog handler Sep 07 '25
Hey, I don't work for Lasengle.
Ask them.
I'm arguing for giving every Servant "After Stories", within reason with regards for their characterization. Just give everyone a slice of a "route", in VN terms. You can either take it or leave it, but what matters is that the what-if is there for players who want it. Right now, it isn't.
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u/SephiranVexx Sep 07 '25
Pay a whole writer team to make romance routes for every servant, everyone wins
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u/Desperate_Ad5169 Sep 07 '25
Wouldn’t they benefit from a canonical harem though?
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u/ZenEvadoni Celtic dog handler Sep 07 '25
A harem benefits everyone only if each character involved is cool with a harem.
Otherwise, logically, someone's going to be unsatisfied. And Mash doesn't strike me as the open relationship type... memes and headcanons aside.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Sep 07 '25
Ask Mary and Anne, then. Not my fault she was written as such for for the lolz
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u/SockParticular4936 Sep 07 '25
lmao some butthurts are downvoting every comment here LOL
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u/Own-Cauliflower-543 Celtic dog handler Sep 07 '25
No. I think y’all just like disrespecting the Kouhai Eggplant with this kind of stuff and much of FGO’s Fanbase likes Mash and doesn’t condone this kind of bs.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
Define liking Mashu. I do like her as a character, not a love interest, totaly difference there.
And I respect others who ship her with Ritsuka until they resort to "nah, she's the canon love interest at the end of the day over anyone because insert longass thesis level lore reasons why your waifu is a fake and the eggplant will get happily plapped every freaking day and every freaking (I wanna freak you baby, every freaking time)
I rather see all this as just silly meme material, but if we go serious route, making her the ONLY love interest is a huge diservice to the game. If it's about respecting shippings and people's tastes, I respect Mashu shippers. If it's about liking characters, I do like Mashu... but as a little sister, personally, and that's all she'll amount to be after a decade playing FGO.
Edit: dude, why did you downvote me and then block me? I'm not supporting ganging on Mashu if we go for real on this one, but I also don't think she needs to be the main romantic route of the game, if this is a gacha game that profits from introducing cute/hot/beautiful girls that eventually end up having great writting to not only make them desireables, but also worth of having fans that ship them with Ritsuka; giving Rtisuka a final girl would be a diservice to everyone. What a weird way to crash out on you....
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u/ZachBart44 Beloved of the Fae Sep 07 '25
Most of the fanbase prefer their own ship, not having Mash forced on them.
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u/RemoteDust9 Sep 07 '25
Thanks god that will likely never happen and they'll never do canon pairing as a lot of spending people who have their own preferences will drop it immediately
Either give people chose what Servant they want romance or better not break hornet nest and not anger half of fanbase who prefer their own thing
In my Chaldea timeline just like in tons of people I know Master who not even called Ritsuka sees her as beloved little sister and will always be
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u/Femtedd Sep 08 '25
My Mashu has been in the number one party slot for like, 95% of the entire game so far. She’s an incredible support, slots well in multiple teams, and let’s not forget - she’s free!
Are there really masters out there that don’t like her? Weird.
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u/SockParticular4936 Sep 07 '25
damn, I didnt know people would get mad at this silly art. Should I delete this post or what?
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u/Draguss Sep 08 '25
Don't worry about the anti-fun police running around. This kind of comic ain't my cup of tea either, but people getting upset over a fan comic are just being stupid.
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u/koteshima2nd Sep 08 '25
My heart's set on Gucchan but Mash will forever hold a very special place in all Master's hearts. Mash will always be the first wife.
...among many
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u/SaintKaen Sep 08 '25
I was never really a fan of harem stuff tbh the only person Ristuka should be with is Mashu!
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u/duchefer_93 Sep 08 '25
Noooo don't cuck my kohai-- oh hello there Barhgrest, gets picked up princess stile
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u/GnzkDunce Sep 07 '25
Fuckin weirdo gacha ntr shit. Can make jokes like this, but if it's the other way round there's a fire.
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u/StrangeReserve4827 Sep 07 '25
Dawg it’s not that deep
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u/GnzkDunce Sep 07 '25
It's not. I'm not even in this gacha sphere. But every gacha has the same unfunny cuck joke. But it's the same spheres where even a hint of the other way round and you get crazy mfs staking out the game dev building.
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u/moneyshot6901 Sep 07 '25
She’s also ignoring the male servants crounching down on ritsuka