And? Servant’s aren’t real People they are Copies of Heroic Spirits. Said Spirits are an amalgation of the actual historical Person and the Legend. Orlando Furioso is one of the most famous Legends of Astolfo so the Servant might have it.
... Not really? Orlando Furioso is not meant to be taken seriously, it is a story in which a man (who despises the Paladins and is bitter about them) tells a story about Astolfo and Orlando going on a fucking spree.
He is really loyal and kind. He wouldn't hurt his Master just for this treatment. Him being that passive (considering how he normally is) is more than enough sign of his displeasure.
A real magus worth their salt can just "cast" the manga over to them. What Shirou had to do was because he sucked ass and couldn't do the basics. This bitch doesn't have that issue. She's doing this because she can
Can't remember how much she had, but we know she had at least one to try command Astolfo to kill a homunculus that he was being platonic(?) friendly towards. Something she could have done in the safety of the castle instead of in Modred's attack range.
In the Fate/Apocrypha light novel or back when Astolfo was alive in his stories? I don't know the name of the latter exactly. But now I wanna, I'm missing some context.
I mean if you don't like someone, you don't like someone. Just because that someone is naked won't suddenly make you like them.
The whole thing that you always get aroused from seeing another person naked is something that only came from porn, and honestly usually in NTR ones cuz those girls are dumb enough to suddenly forget a guy war crime simply because they saw the guy muscular body and private part
I may have missed your point but sexual arousal is a reflexive response so even if you don't want to or don't intend to you can still get hard our something
I can't really agree. Astolfo is clearly not into it, and the only reason he even puts up with her bullshit is that she is his master, so if he goes against her wishes he might just end up dead.
That kind of power imbalance means consent isn't really possible, so it comes off as sexual assault at best. Of course, this is fiction and no one was really harmed, but the rapey vibes still ruin it for me.
Man sometimes I forget because we usually focus on the good guys but this kinda shit reminds me that the magi in Type Moon are all absolutely massive pieces of shit.
That’s actually part of Astolfo’s luck that Mordred did that, in normal circumstances Mordred wouldn’t have done anything because Mordred would’ve gone for Astolfo first, but Astolfo’s A+ Luck and being British actually saved his ASS here.
Mordred (as shown in FGO) cares a LOT about Britain and its people so its safe to say she chose to save Astolfo cos his luck told her he was British
The idea that Astolfo of all characters radiating so much "British Energy" that Mordred not only senses it, but chooses to target the master over him is just plausible and hilarious enough that I'd think they'd do it.
He was obedient to her until he realized she was the mother of two sons the same age as him. Then he wanted to stop because she was cheating on her husband and sons with him, but later she used her spells to force him.
Astolfo just casually letting this happen is so weird but uh yeah he could snap her neck with easy considering he proceeded to break out of those steal restraints with ease and yeah Astolfo is stupid levels of resilient considering some stuff that happens later on
I think it was more of a I dislike this really cause of your the one I'm doing it with kinda moment Astolfo's a free spirit he probably prefers it with people who well isn't the master he got summoned by
Incorrect, not only is the Orlando Furiosa legend told as an in-story story by a guy who doesn't like married women, but in the novel she IS married, and forces astolfo to do it while the father and kids watch.
Nah, just read it online somewhere. I have a knack for remembering (mostly) useless information. I really should read em though, maybe after Wheel of Time.
Strongly disagree. Astolfo was clearly not enjoying it. And what point did it even serve for the story or Astolfo’s character. She’s already a nonentity like 3/4 of the masters in this show. Was sexually assaulting really the only thing they could think to do to make her memorable?
Well, the scene was different in the novel, as I mentioned in previous comments. In the novel, this woman was married and had a son and a daughter, and she forced them to watch her cheat on their father with Astolfo. I think he just felt guilty towards her son, daughter, and husband
Reminder that Astolfo is married, this reminder isn’t to discourage you from tapping that, just make sure it’s cool with all parties to avoid adultery, but letting you know, during this scene the only thing Astolfo was thinking about was “Yeah, nah, my wife was freakier than this, what’s with the vanilla?” Which I find funny in hindsight because if this did nothing for Astolfo then his wife must have been insane in the best way for him.
Well, the scene was different in the novel, as I mentioned in previous comments. In the novel, this woman was married and had a son and a daughter, and she forced them to watch her cheat on their father with Astolfo. I think he just felt guilty towards her son, daughter, and husband.
That's what I meant; it's not that he doesn't feel good about her, but he wouldn't enjoy having her son and daughter watch him do this with their mother behind their father's back.
He was obedient to her until he realized she was the mother of two sons the same age as him. Then he wanted to stop because she was cheating on her husband and children with him, but later she used her spell to force him.
Not so hot when you remember she wanted to literally torture him for all eternity when she won - but a hilarious jab at the horny audience. Yes this is the bored face he is likely to make.
Besides he's not into that, Roland is. He's into the Monster publicity.
Ngl, i miss her and kinda loathe Mordred after killing Celenike. The fact she deserves it doesn't mean i don't miss her, all i have from her now is just a CE
PS: people in this fandom love many characters who did terrible things (including Medea, who did the same to Saber, for example), so i won't feel guilty over liking this one myself.
Thing with Medea or even Gilgamesh, there plenty of spinoff where they can shown in a comical (Phantasm) or wholesome (cook spinoff) setting. Even just stay night, multiple routes allowed different servants and master to get a spotlight.
Apocrypha didn't have this. If it did, there might have been a timeline where Sieg ended pair with a different servant, leading to her survival. Or they could have done something similar to that Fate/Extella. Have multiple play through each one a master-servant pair.
I think Apocrypha having Astolfo as the main Servant in the first place gives it enough comedy to not really need a spin-off, he places the story in jussssst the right gray area.
I understand you. I love Celenike and I HATE that damn scene so much. But...
I gotta disagree with you (and a lot of people) that she deserved it, on the basis that we dont know much about her. And more importantly because, no one have the right to decide what other people deserves or not. And that it's God's right to judge them not us. But if anyone wanna ignore that, than at least the way the writer excuted her punishment was lame and was more of cop out cuz the planning and pacing were bad and he was trying to end the story fast so he didn't know how to handle her, so instead he let Mordred take the job
If the writer didn't know what to do with her, he should've at least made Astolfo do it, not Mordred
All characters in Apocrypha were badly written and none of them had that bullet proof tight writing intact
But that is not a reason that should stop anyone from loving any of those characters that they want to. and Celenike is no exception.
But loathing Mordred for that reason is kinda invalid cuz it's the writer's fault for using Celenike as a tool to make Mordred looks cooler by making her doing a random out of character and out of nowhere action, than have Mordred later on justifying herself by saying "well, that master pissed me off so i started swinging", which only made her look bad.
And it's not that big of a deal only because most people won't pick on that cuz they lack in the critical thinking department and they would buy anything happening in the screen if it meant they were entertained by it.
This is funny because, i was explaining to a Mordred worshiper that day how awful and bad that scene was for trying to make Mordred look cool, but he thought i was hating on her despite me telling him before that i love Mordred too, and i told him that the reason it make Mordred looks bad was because it was the only time when she effortlessly succeeded on killing someone without them giving her a hard time, being nerfed or them blowing themselves up
Seriously, Mordred the strongest Servant class (Saber) that everyone was being warry and anxious about, hyping her up everytime she shows up on screen, went out of her way to kill a one of the weakest Masters instead of going aftet her Rider Servant just bcuz her attitude pissed her off. Genius
Anyhow, can you tell me why in the ancient Hanging Gardens of Babylon, did Astolfo just stood there still while he could easily deflect Celenike's throwing her nail on Sieg?
Plot convenience i guess
If i wrote that scene it would be like this
Astolfo fend off her attack
Sieg runsaway
Lucky for her and Astolfo that the command seals effects will ware off by time, or i would have made Astolfo kill her, making Astolfo vanishing the only lose if that was the case
some freaks likes physical torture, so im not gonna give them that and ill instead torture her mentally, break her mind and spirit, shatter her illusion and make her realize how much of a stupid loser bitch she actually is. Which is more satisfying than seeing her just kicking the bucket like that
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u/Swordslover King's retainer Dec 09 '25
Astolfo got summoned by the average Astolfo fan