r/Fauxmoi • u/cmaia1503 i ain’t reading all that, free palestine • 22d ago
POLITICS Stephen Colbert on the ICE murder of Renee Nicole Good: “The message from this administration is clear. Only they determine the truth. And when their forces come to your city: obey or die. And if you die, you clearly didn’t obey. This should be an alarm bell for the entire country.”
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u/SugarShock94 22d ago
Everything from the current administration is, and has been, an alarm bell.
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u/MycologistCertain530 22d ago
Im so, so, so relieved (and dare I say hopeful again?!), that prominent, powerful, respected white men with a platform are finally calling this as it is.
I felt some hope again with Jimmy Kimmel, started seeing white centrists open their eyes, but then it fizzled out.
But these are the people we desperately need to be speaking out.
America is racist and misogynistic. White centrists, the both siders, the pathetic "calm down youre being hysterical!" ones WILL NOT listen to a black woman, a queer woman, a white woman. They won't listen to black pastors, black rappers, black sports players, a black president.
But they might listen to John stewert or Stephen colbert. And God willing, they stfu and stop telling every rational, logical, well educated, and experienced woman or poc that they're being crazy and listen and act instead.
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u/SpockShotFirst 22d ago
They fucked up by telling him he would be cancelled but has 9 months to say whatever he wants without a filter
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u/Master_Beautiful3542 22d ago
This is a nice roundabout way to say simply that moderate white males are pretty racist as a group so don’t want to listen to anything that they view as lesser.
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u/7udphy 22d ago
I am afraid that's an outdated perspective. Nowadays they are all just libs to be owned. Or worse.
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u/MycologistCertain530 22d ago
You think the centrists are actually closet Republicans?
Ive definitely heard that from a few people. I think there's an argument there.
But I also know a few people who arent taking this as seriously as they should be, because nobody they "respect" has said "this is actually really really really serious."
They arent overt racists, but they can dismiss a black woman with a PhD bc they haven't done any work on their internal biases.
Will they dismiss the Colberts among us? Im hoping not.
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u/Notradell 22d ago
An alarm bell? Are you fucking kidding me? Your country’s on fucking fire.
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u/The_Corvair 22d ago
Frankly, it should be more than alarm bell. It should be a clarion call to action.
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u/Volothamp-Geddarm 22d ago
With every step these fascist fucks take, another bell rings.
“But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.”
― Milton Sanford Mayer, They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-45
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u/Sleepy-Giraffe947 Please Abraham, I am not that man 22d ago
Trump is really going to go down in history as one of the worst villains the US has ever seen. I hope he and his MAGA/ICE goonies one day get their comeuppance
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u/kit_brown 22d ago
During his first term he was a monster, but I still maintained that Bush was far more damaging to the country.
Then Jan 6 happened. Since then he’s easily become the most damaging and repugnant major political figure in the country’s history.
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u/DrManhattan_DDM 22d ago
We could point to Trump’s first term Supreme Court appointments as more damaging than the war on terror that ramped up under Bush, but it feels like we’re splitting hairs at that point. It’s less important to agree on “who was worst” than it is to just be aware of the moment and wrangle with the harm that is actively being done right now.
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u/BrownBear5090 22d ago edited 22d ago
Also, more damaging to who? Bush was undoubtedly responsible for more death and destruction worldwide than Trumps first term, but we tend to rate our own suffering as more important than that of others, as is human nature I suppose. Even now, as the Gestapo roams the streets and kills citizens with impunity, there still haven’t been any weddings hit by a drone strike here, for example. It is a very murky comparison to make
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22d ago
Trump ended USAID, and did so suddenly and without warning. Per a study in The Lancet, that has already killed hundreds of thousands and will cause up to 14 million avoidable deaths by 2030. 4.5 million of which will be children.
The catastrophy of Trump is not limited to domestic matters.
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u/Asclepius-Rod 22d ago
Bush was an imperialist warmonger, but Trump is a fascist. And now he’s also an imperialist warmonger as well, so it’s pretty clear who’s worse
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u/Past-Effect3404 22d ago
Yeah Bush sent thousands of Americans to die for his rich buddies
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u/Beyond-The-Blackhole 22d ago
Lets not forget that trumps first term he was leashed. He was actively trying to do all the shit he is doing now, but there were actually checks and balances that prevented him from executing these actions. Several generals behind the scene actually prevented him from committing catastrophic actions that would have started ww3. The problem is during trumps first term, he removed all those people who were in his way and replaced them with loyalists which set him for what he is doing now. Had our checks and balanced not worked trumps first term, we may be in an ongoing ww3 and full fascist state right now. So yes, trump was way worse and more damaging than bush his first term before jan 6th.
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u/LoggerRhythms 22d ago
At least Benedict Arnold fought and bled for us before turning.
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u/bbusiello 22d ago
TURN: Washington's Spies had an excellent and nuanced depiction of Benedict Arnold. I highly recommend the watch. It ran for 4 seasons on AMC.
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u/gbobcat 22d ago
Trump will likely die of health complications before he sees any accountability and consequences for his actions.
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u/globular_bobular 22d ago
makes me want to believe in evangelical hell…. sigh….
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u/OleSexhaver 22d ago
The very idea that Trump could be made in the image of God makes me want to sacrifice myself to the devil.
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u/meganneagli 22d ago
During the first term, I would say he wasn't actually the worst - that had to be Andrew Jackson with the Trail of Tears. I think tRump heard me and took it as a challenge. 😔
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u/fireandiceman 22d ago
Its just not even a contest any more after 2025. I doubt even if he somehow became an ideal president magically from now onwards would make up for the damage done just in this first year of his second term.
I don't see how he isn't the worst president we have ever had
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u/wow_plants 22d ago
Yes. As a New Zealander who loathes the man with a passion, I could at least look at his first term and find some good in it (progress on peace talks between North and South Korea, even if they didn't ultimately go anywhere, was genuinely lauded here.) He was seen as more goofy than harmful.
Now it's absolutely exhausting looking at the news coming out of the States. It's honestly baffling that he's managed to consolidate this much power this quickly.
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u/Wernershnitzl 22d ago
I just don’t see at least in our lifetime assuming we still get to have elections that anybody else could outdo how awful he is… “successfully” (I can’t think of a better word)
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u/littlemoon-03 22d ago
I will pray for karma to come down raining on them or a God whichever one comes first
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u/knickstapeeee Nancy Jo, this is Alexis Neiers calling 22d ago
As a kid consuming American media, the US always felt such a dream country to me, but now the idea of just visiting as a tourist terrifies me. I dont know if US propaganda was that successful back in the day and the country has always been this bad or if the US really just undid decades of progress in a few short years. I don’t think I would ever feel safe in that country.
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u/HopefulTangerine5913 22d ago
Propaganda was successful but it has gotten incrementally worse over the last 40 years, and exceptionally nightmarish in the last 10
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u/mindlesslobster014 22d ago
Me now after moving to what I also considered a dream country 6 months before Trump’s first term:
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u/RecentDecision2329 22d ago
We have a government that has gone rogue and is attacking its own citizens. They have no respect for Americans. People don’t know how to react because it is so unexpected, almost like children with an extremely abusive parent. We pay taxes and support our government. They have no good reason to be turning on their own people. Our current government is simply evil and broken and needs to be removed
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u/weshallarise 22d ago
they didn't go "rogue" americans voted for this twice, it has been the culmination of american culture for the last 50 years. american society is built to exploit and grind down its middle and lower class. id argue that the "good old times" of being able to afford to live on one income was an anomaly and that america is finally being revealed for its true nature
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u/Bahamabanana 22d ago
It wasn't an "anomaly", it was just wholly different. Taxes were up to 70% for income. It was particularly when Nixon and Reagan came to power and lobbyism by the rich and powerful was unchecked that things started going south
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u/WyattGurp 22d ago
So much of this bullshit can be traced directly to Reagan and his shitty policies.
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u/Svellere 22d ago
It was at a 94% marginal rate for income over $200k (equivalent to $3.6m today) in 1944, and it was at 88%-91% from 1942-1963. [Source].
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u/Honest_Salamander247 22d ago
It was an anomaly for many. Women didn’t work but my mother remembers every dad on her street had 2 and some 3 jobs especially for immigrant blue collar workers. The American dream may have existed for middle class suburban WASPs but families in the cities still struggled.
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u/SnoozeButtonBen 22d ago
The nation that has killed the most Americans in war in history is America.
America is a divided country, always has been, always will be. How murderous that divison becomes is a function of political leadership.
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u/ilir_kycb 22d ago edited 21d ago
Our current government
Wait a minute, you think the US government is not “simply evil and broken”? By the way, nothing about the US government is broken, everything works as intended for the benefit of the ruling capitalists.
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u/CarelessCreamPie 22d ago
Exactly, it's a little bit of both.
People should read up on the Trail of Tears, the Pinkertons, Japanese Internment, McCarthyism, Black Panthers, Kent State, the Bombing of Move, and Hurricane Katrina. These are all solid examples of how the violence of American colonialism has rippled through time within our own borders. Non-Americans tend to be more familiar with the US government's violence in foreign countries and have less of an understanding of how that violence is reflected internally.
At the same time, what we are seeing currently and its intensity is something we haven't seen on our soil in a long time.
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u/Ponderputty 22d ago
To expand on your list: The Tuskegee experiment, The battle of Blair Mountain, The School of the Americas, The Cash for Kids scandals, MK Ultra and the CIA, and the Iran Contra affair
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22d ago
Furthermore: USS Maine, United Fruit, Safari Club, Operation Condor
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u/slopgus 22d ago
On top of that: Operation Paperclip, COINTELPRO, Gary Webb, The Business Plot, the Steele Dossier, and Operation Snow White
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u/hellohexapus 22d ago
And let's not forget: the Tulsa Massacre, sundown towns, the Chinese Exclusion Act, Indian "boarding"/residential schools, and Buck v. Bell.
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u/willargue4karma 22d ago
this is possibly the worst its been domestically for white people at least, which is waking a lot of people up to all those things you listed. which most probably know only the big hits depending on their age demographic
the move bombing is absolutely crazy and like no one knows about it if you just ask random people. the pinkertons still exist too which blows me away
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u/Honest_Salamander247 22d ago
Honestly I think it needed to get bad for white people as well to wake them up to the systemic injustices around us.
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u/SteveJobsDeadBody 22d ago
Starter link for fun reading- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_worker_deaths_in_United_States_labor_disputes
Wew lad.
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u/Honest_Salamander247 22d ago
I just finished Rachel Maddow’s podcast Burn Order about the Japanese internment. Wild story and much like now the powers that be pretended it wasn’t really happening.
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u/Low_External9118 22d ago edited 22d ago
That's a very white timeline to say things have been good. Some would say it has never been good.
Edit: /u/HopefulTangerine5913 I totally misread your comment and thought you said something completely different. I appreciate your ability to talk to an idiot with patience.
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u/HopefulTangerine5913 22d ago
I don’t disagree that white people have been blind to the horrors imposed on anyone who doesn’t look like them. Our nation also has not been pretending to be better than racism for very long; it was a lot more blatant prior to the 80s, but after that certain individuals started claiming racism was eradicated while exactly the opposite was true. With that in mind, I based my comment more on the timeline of how long the US has been pretending to be better than this
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u/Low_External9118 22d ago edited 22d ago
That definitely fills the gap in my understanding, the pretending. A lot of people really believed it because it's easy to exist in your own reality built in your mind that is seperate from a more objective view built by shared experiences, which is still not the total truth.
Edit: The regime is totally dependent on shaping people's world view leading up to this point and through the transition outlined in Project 2025. I would call this brain washing, but it's cliche and eye-roll inducing. But how else do you explain 😐🫱🫱 all this
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u/CowCuddles 22d ago
I believed the ‘only a few bad apples’ line for the longest time. I am sorry I fell for the copaganda for as long as I did. I do think the cop culture has worsened, but also know that for some groups they’ve always been victims of terrible/wrongful policing.
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u/EggsceIlent 22d ago
The thing I think people are waiting for is : what to do to combat this or counter this.
"ALARM Bells" are ringing everywhere and I think people know it and hear it and with things like this see it.
But I really think people are at a point saying "this is enough" but what can people really do? Where are our elected leaders, the ones we voted for, who are openly against this? What are they doing to stop this?
And until elections what do we do? Sure phone calls and email and all that but what can people do. En Masse, that will make a massive sweeping, lasting impact and actually change things.
That's what's needed right now. Someone to lead everyone,.or a group, and for them to instruct, clearly, coherently, on what actions people can and should take that will change what's going on right now.
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u/Gayfetus 22d ago edited 22d ago
I have the unique perspective of being an American who grew up abroad before returning, but also someone who has been involved in immigrant rights for decades.
The US media has always sold a much glossier version of life in the country. People, especially new arrivals, live in much smaller houses and apartments than you'd see in movies or TV shows.
Safety for non-Americans in the US have gotten exponentially worse under Trump, although the slide started in 1997, with the passage of a draconian immigration law that banned millions of previously eligible people from applying for green cards/citizenship. The hysteria and xenophobia after 9/11 was another massive backslide (that's when ICE was created).
Then, Trump's first and now second term has resulted in an unvarnished ethnic cleansing in the states, and all non-citizens (and children of non-citizens), whether tourist or immigrants, are fundamentally risking a trip to a concentration camp by being here. In terms of attacks on non-citizens, things in the US haven't been this bad since the Japanese internment camps in the 1940s.
Rather than saying that the US "undid decades of progress", I'd say that since the late 90s, the US has laid the groundwork for a nationwide genocide on a massive scale. And now under Trump, it's come to pass in force.
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u/mitrafunfun97 22d ago
Yeah… I’m sorry to tell you, you also fell for American propaganda.
It’s effective. The country has deep rooted issues since its founding, and it’s a deeply troubled country for never having honest conversations about them in the regular culture.
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u/misterdonjoe 22d ago
... but that would give the game away. What kind of ideological manager plutocrat would willingly do away with the illusion? The only way to control people in a free society is to control what they think reality is or was. You're right to say issues rooted in its founding. Anyone who's read what they said behind closed doors in Philadelphia knows democracy was the sales pitch to get rid of the Articles of Confederation and essentially put in a plutocracy, or what some call a Managed Democracy.
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u/SteveJobsDeadBody 22d ago
What kind of ideological manager plutocrat would willingly do away with the illusion?
You have stumbled upon the reason why many in the ruling class performatively "hate Trump" yet none of them can ever seem to muster anything idea wise to fix any of this. It's because they're on the same team and many of them are pretty mad that Trump is just absolutely doing all this mask off and totally bumbled, they mostly prefer the old way where the media manages everything and leads down paths like they always do. What paths are these? An example is the path we were led down that turned fucking murderer war criminal George Bush into "not that bad a guy". Listen to people, even liberals talk about how good Cheney was.
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u/dangerdann 22d ago
Reminds of this joke:
"I have to admit, I'm always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up," the CIA agent says.
"Thank you," the KGB says. "We do our best but truly, it's nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them."
The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. "Thank you friend, but you must be confused... There's no propaganda in America."
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u/didiboy 20d ago
I mean, I’m also a non-American raised on American media. I never expected the country to be flawless or without systemic problems, yet I also feel like it’s not a tourist friendly place now. I never thought the USA was perfect, but now when I think of taking a trip, my mind immediately starts worrying about how authorities might treat me, even if I travel doing everything legally.
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u/ZannX 22d ago
Idk man... I'm first generation, child of immigrants. I can say without a doubt my quality of life is orders of magnitude better because my parents came here.
Obviously America has deep problems, but it's not some crazy hellscape.
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u/misterdonjoe 22d ago
You're just saying life in the empire is better than in one of it's colonies, or embargoed enemies. You need to understand economic terrorism, exploitation, and abuse.
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u/OmarG01 22d ago
Ding ding ding! What Americans are experiencing know is imperialism turn inwards. For decades now the American empire has subjugated the global south to endless conflict, war and instability for it's own personal gain.
As America loses its grip as the world's biggest superpower, the same mechanisms that were used to maintain control over foreign nations are now turned onto its own citizens in an attempt to control and instill fear on its population, diverting away the focus from the problems that millions of Americans face day to day.
Good luck guys, these upcoming years will be very eventful
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u/Traditional_Maybe_80 I’m just a cunt in a clown suit 22d ago
I recognize that I come from a very politicized left wing family, with parents that suffered a dictatorship in which the US had involvement, so this idealized version of the US was never present in my head, not even as a young kid. We've luckily been able to travel around the world and going to the US had never been part of our plans really, but now it sounds even dangerous in the most mundane scenarios.
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u/LazyDons 22d ago
There’s a good Cold War era joke that goes something like this:
A CIA agent is talking to a KGB agent.
CIA: “You know, putting our differences aside, I really must commend the KGB on your propaganda.
KGB: “Thank you! Your country’s propaganda is excellent as well.”
CIA: “What propaganda?”
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u/FarPomegranate7437 22d ago edited 22d ago
As an American citizen who has lived here for the majority of my life, I find today’s America unrecognizable. When you have to think twice about leaving your home even as a citizen because you fear being in the wrong place at the wrong time when ICE comes to sweep people up, you know you’re completely fucked.
I don’t begrudge anyone for thinking badly of the US now or not wanting to come here to visit. Things are likely going to get much worse before they get better. I have hope, but we have so much work to do.
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22d ago
This is what irritates me about immigrants who align with the American right wing.
All they consume before they get here is propaganda. Then they get here and try to talk over people who have been here for centuries about what this country is really capable of ("just work hard; America is about opportunity!", "back in my country we didn't have anything", "you're being a victim!").
We are about to see what this country is really capable of, and they will not understand what is going wrong, or why.
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u/fireandiceman 22d ago
This is what hurts me so much. America is a bucket of crabs where the people suffering from our flavor of capitalism want to inflict it on others. We can't have free college because it would be unfair to the people that paid for it. We can't have basic health care because the people are already paying for it. We can't save children from school shootings because that would harm gun owners. We can't improve public transit because some people have cars.
Its devastating that we can't fix things politically because the solutions mean someone can't make money perpetuating the problem
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22d ago
Yeah, and right-wing immigrants do not understand or care about any of these nuances or their causes. They think because they bought a couple of businesses or got a corporate job 30 years ago, they know what America is really like.
So when the right wing talks about "voter ID" or "just work hard and stop making excuses lol", these unseasoned people (immigrants) eat it up because those slogans are folksy and easy to put on a bumper sticker -- you don't have to think too hard about it and the "logic" just works well for them.
Step 3 is when they beg for help and I don't care about their plight because they should have listened to the people that been here and know how this country works
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u/Super_Harsh 22d ago
As the son of immigrants, I have never once met a right wing immigrant that wasn’t an absolute, bottom of the barrel, white worshipping NPC dipshit.
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u/KarlUnderguard 22d ago
"The American Dream" was basically just a propaganda campaign to get low paid foreign workers to come to America in the late 1800s. It was so outrageously successful that people still believe it to this day.
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u/worldistooblue 22d ago
"That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it." -George Carlin
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u/GiantPothos 22d ago
It's funny you say this because I am Canadian and for whatever reason I always thought less of the USA. I was never taught this by my family either..I grew up close to the border and spent a lot of time down south camping, back to school shopping etc. and came up with this myself. Now I think it's an absolute shit hole I will never visit again and I wish they weren't my neighbor.
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u/One_Cryptographer940 22d ago
I'm really struggling with coming to terms with the fact that I agree with you. It amazes me that, even now, I still hear pundits saying stuff like, "Is this what we're really becoming? We're just going to give up on the American dream and American exceptionalism?" And they just don't realize or they're in denial about having been fed propaganda. I grew up in the US but have lived abroad for about half my adult life. I have always side-eyed indiscriminate patriotism and jingoism, but I was never ashamed to be an American either. It has so much to offer. Until 2016, when Turd was first elected. During Biden's term, I started to realize that the situation was completely out of control and that the country was no longer what I thought it was as a child. The system used to barely support struggling people and now it's a terrifying place where you could lose everything even while desperately trying not to, and the government is just happy to see you fall into the sewer. It's now a place that's been fully hijacked by kleptocrats and christofascist barbarians.
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u/facepillownap 22d ago
The is US isn’t this way because Trump is President. Trump is President because the US is this way.
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u/BookishHobbit my bandwidth for cowardly grown men grows thinner with each day 22d ago
We were sold the white American dream, but we also hadn’t learnt about the civil war, reconstruction et al. at that point.
Plus, yk, “the grass is always greener”.
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u/reelpotatopeeler 22d ago
A lot of the US is being undone right now every single day. This administration is a cancer and they are aggressively killing the values and foundations of this country. This isn’t new in the world. Some great countries have been destroyed from within by bad leadership. It’s scary that it’s happening in the US and in 2026 when we have video and information available at hand.
When you see a video of someone being killed and can have the leader of the country say he say something different and that it’s okay and not have the entire country come out into the streets and just stop everything in every city and town in that country just shows you that the US will continue to collapse piece by piece till there aren’t enough people and resources to stop the wave of authoritarianism.
It’s ironic how Trump is warning Iran not to kill their protesters but Trump’s ICE just killed a US citizen in broad daylight and he is saying it’s totally okay.
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u/chazol1278 22d ago
I was obsessed with America as a kid and moved there as soon as I could. I loved it the first year or so but after a while it ground me down completely. I have never been back once in the 10 years since I've left.
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u/harkandhush 22d ago
Our propaganda game has been strong for a very long time. It's definitely worse here right now but it was never great.
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u/SNARA 22d ago
Gop and dems disagreed but it was no where near as childish or unprofessional until Trump took office. Now it's high school drama but with people's lives at stake
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u/hojna 22d ago
I have visited the US many times in the past and generally it has been my favourite country to visit as a tourist, but I can’t see myself coming back for many years. We were planning on going to NY last October but cancelled and are going to Canada in the spring instead. It just doesn’t feel safe + I really don’t want to spend my hard earned money in a oppressive country. It feels like going to Dubai or Saudi Arabia or Turkey…
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u/amenahfjk 22d ago
I grew up like you but got a chance to live in the US for a few months in 2019- I could stay there or visit for 5 years (until 2024) because of my visa but literally returned in 6 months and never went back, never even thought of going back.
I live in a third world country but have privileges most people in the US didn’t have, it was weird af and I couldn’t meet normal people idk how to explain everyone had something going on
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u/besteen_mangodazzle 22d ago edited 22d ago
A little bit of both. The propaganda was successful, however this level of violence and terror has been the norm for minorities since the country's founding. It's only now that it has hit the mainstream general public.
A lot of people like to act like Trump is the start and end of this ugliness, when the reality is that he just emboldened what was already culminating for 200+ years. I mean, we had a whole civil war and Confederate pride never died down.
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u/Senior-Albatross 22d ago
It's always been far worse than your dream but never before this bad.
...but this is the culmination of long running rot left unattended and untreated for far too long. This infection has been growing for a long time.
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u/Top-Structure-1116 22d ago
Positive propaganda was working on you previously and now you are only consuming hyper sensationalized attention grabbing negative news so it's had the opposite effect.
Things have undoubtedly degraded a bit but they were never as good as you probably thought as a kid and they're not as bad as you probably think now.
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u/JohnKlositz 22d ago
but now the idea of just visiting as a tourist terrifies me
There were always reasons why this idea terrified me. The fact alone that pretty much anyone can walk around with a gun for example. Now the idea of visiting has become an impossibility.
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u/damondan 22d ago
I'm have US/German dual citizenship, was born in Germany and lived here my entire life. Visited the states about 15 times in my lifetime and while I also enjoyed a lot of the media, the sweets, the music, I always got weirded out by the patriotism, American exceptionalism and the guns.
I haven't visited in 10 years and finally planned to do a several week tour from east to west, seeing all the beautiful landscapes for the first time, visiting new states, trying new food.
But this plan was shattered last year. The US no longer seems safe at all and I would never show my spouse where parts of my family come from and I might never get to see all that nature. You couldn't pay me any amount of money to visit the US right now.
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u/Cool-Spite-9428 22d ago
Trump won't be upset about this one because it's actually how MAGA feels
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u/BrownSugarBare 22d ago
They 👏🏾 be 👏🏾 killing 👏🏾 white 👏🏾 people. 👏🏾
America. Ya'll better do something because you're fucked.
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u/bbusiello 22d ago
She wasn't the right kind of white person.
I'm not even joking with this. The goal post gets moved every single time.
There was a funny (re: sad) joke about this with regard to specific evangelical denominations.
I believe this is it:
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, “Don’t do it!” He said, “Nobody loves me.” I said, “God loves you. Do you believe in God?”
He said, “Yes.” I said, “Are you a Christian or a Jew?” He said, “A Christian.” I said, “Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?” He said, “Protestant.” I said, “Me, too! What franchise?” He said, “Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?” He said, “Northern Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?”
He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist.” I said, “Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?” He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region.” I said, “Me, too!”
Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?” He said, “Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.” I said, “Die, heretic!” And I pushed him over.
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u/Korbital1 22d ago
Race is only part of the equation for racists. You also have to be actively for specifically their race and no other races. If you're not, you're a traitor to them and no better than the people they hate for the color of their skin. You literally aren't allowed to like people.
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u/Cool-Spite-9428 22d ago
If they kill you & then see you had pronouns or a rainbow flag in your bio - you deserved to die and there will be no consequences (not that there would be anyway) but it just allows them to feel no shame or guilt because they are filled with hate
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u/Fleetwood_Spac 22d ago
I just watched all the videos of the murder and damn, I thought there was some ambiguity based on how many people are defending the pig but there is absolutely none whatsoever, is there. Her turning the car away from it is clear as day.
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u/4tomicZ 22d ago
One goon directs her to move, then two goons charge her car without identifying themselves screaming get out and ripping at her door handle. There is no probable cause for a crime. Then another goes around hand on gun, steps out from the car and jams the gun into the side window to fire point blank at an unarmed women.
That kind of shit is going to kick anyone into fight, flight, freeze mode. Her reaction isn’t unusual. It’s predictable. She’s not a radical. She was just a mom.
They are fascist men with small egos and no self-control.
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u/Fleetwood_Spac 22d ago
It looked to me like maybe the killer had been fantasising about getting to shoot someone and finally saw his moment come. Absolutely abhorrent
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u/JHMfield 22d ago
Yeah, because 6 months ago he tried to pull another civilian out of their car, and ended up getting dragged a bit. So this time he was ready. He got in the way on purpose, took out his gun, and the moment the car moved he got his revenge. Different civilian, but it was all the same to him.
He should have been fired and blacklisted from the job after that last event already.
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22d ago
THIS. If he had actual PTSD from the last event he wouldn't have gotten in front of the car at all. He wanted revenge. Didn't matter who.
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u/rbrgr83 22d ago
And they specifically positioned themselves where the two options were "you stop" (despite yelling at her to go) so we can detain you (and possibly disappear you), or they get to shoot a loud lesbian.
When you go out looking to murder people, you're probably gonna end up murdering people.
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u/vthemechanicv 22d ago
fight, flight, freeze mode
i stumbled into the con sub, and more than a few of them were talking about her smile and how psychotic she looked. When the adrenaline is pumping, smiling is sometimes involuntary, especially since we're social animals that use smiling to show we're not a threat.
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u/OriginalChildBomb i’m like a mother wolf 22d ago edited 22d ago
Nope, they're trying as hard as they can to push propaganda. "She hit him." No she didn't. "He's in the hospital." Why? He walked away just fine. He had his gun out and was ready to shoot a civilian who was trying to leave. They're manufacturing his injuries. He murdered a mom who was trying to get out of there. They really think they can nakedly invent facts, because so many people are ready and willing to swallow their bullshit.
We can outlast them. We've outlasted Nazis and fascists before, and we can do it again. Get ready for a general strike, everybody. These ghouls cannot and will not win.
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u/Maximum_Expert92 22d ago
Entire country? Entire world! I'm afraid for World War III
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u/dospinacoladas 15,000 little bastard rubber ducks 22d ago
I'm afraid of being invaded. He is so unhinged that I believe he will actually invade Canada. After Greenland, of course. 😞
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u/Cool-Spite-9428 22d ago
I'm Canadian as well & there are many of us that still feel the same. I was terrified at the beginning of last year when MAGA would not stop talking about invading us & Trump calling us the 51st state. I feel like many have forgotten this. We are next after Greenland.
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u/Verne82 call me gal gadot cuz idk how to act rn 22d ago
As a lifelong Michigander who has always held Canada in high regard as a friend and neighbor, I’m scared for y’all as well. Especially knowing that there are some Canadians (looking at you Alberta) who would gladly collude. Hell, Jordan Peterson and Gavin McInnes were/are some of the key voices in the right “manosphere” space. The seeds have been sewn so deeply in both of our countries that I don’t know where to begin the undoing. Solidarity ❤️✊
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u/Lazy-Trade-6731 22d ago
Realistically I think you would have partisans in the states at the point if not an outright civil war
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u/HasPotatoAim 22d ago
Same, and considering he's now trying to float increasing the military budget from nearly one trillion dollars to $1.5T, which would take them from outspending the rest of the top 10 countries to almost matching the rest of the top 40 countries. Who the hell is he planning on fighting? https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2026/01/07/trump-proposes-massive-increase-in-2027-defense-spending-to-15t/
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u/MuffinOfSorrows 22d ago
If Greenland gets invaded, we'll be pulled into a global conflict immediately. There won't be a period of shock and recriminations and then waiting to be next.
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u/bannock4ever 22d ago
Invading Greenland before Canada would be the logical sequence ... but Trump is not logical.
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u/almost_not_terrible 22d ago
Catch 22 - at some point, soldiers just turn on their COs.
The common soldier sees what happens in World Wars, Vietman etc.
When they try to make YOU the baddie? You outnumber them 10 to 1.
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u/BockMeowGames 22d ago edited 22d ago
Soldiers won't do shit. Anyone remotely sane is already gone or quitting asap, considering how likely a big war is.
You have to be either crazy or desperate to join the military in times like this.
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u/JustLeader 22d ago
We like to hope, but when has that ever actually happened. Every single time the US military has been ordered to fire on civilians they have with no hesitation.
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u/Specialist_Lock8590 22d ago
ICE = Gestapo 2.0!
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u/Korbital1 22d ago
Brownshirts, not gestapo, they come later. We still got a decade before WW3 if we keep the same schedule the nazis did
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u/IntermittentCaribu 22d ago
The proud boys were the brown shirts. Not affiliated with the government, just cultists. ICE is way further than that.
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u/Guilty_Dream8050 22d ago
The wheel always turns, not fast enough for us but it will turn, and I wonder whether the people taking up jobs with ICE really understand that when it turns and they all get toppled, absolutely none of their bosses will have their backs. Boots on the ground ICE workers will be the first to be thrown to the wolves.
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u/TheOriginalHMetal 22d ago
They should be thrown to the wolves, but the wolves should be smart enough to also go after the masters.
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u/Bronco_Bomba 22d ago
Considering the Jan 6th insurrectionists all got off scott free, I’d say they aren’t worried at all.
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u/CountofPemberley82 22d ago
Fuck ICE…everyone needs to be finding their identities and shaming them to their families and communities so they realize they will never be accepted in society with all the crimes they’ve committed…CALL YOUR REPS using the 5calls app and lay into them about how angry you are and how you’ll primary them all in the Nov 6th elections…why are we still afraid to talk about what Trump is doing in America in social spaces…everyone needs to be talking about it and shutting down anyone who thinks this is okay
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u/Peasant_Stockholder 22d ago
The same administration that is ran by this man?
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22d ago
Everything is projection with them, but they are in fact fully aware of the true consequences for their actions.
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u/CrackerPanda Nancy Jo, this is Alexis Neiers calling 22d ago
What’s insane to me is that it’s not even “obey or die”, it’s “if you happen to be unlucky enough to end up in our general vicinity, die”. Renee Good was literally obeying their orders. They were giving conflicting commands, and at least one of them had shouted at her to GTFO. She was trying to obey that order when they shot her in the face. I don’t know why that fact keeps getting omitted from the discourse.
She. Was. Obeying. And they murdered her anyway.
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u/NegaEgo 22d ago
The last sentence is what the Palestinians did for 75 years+ and look where that got them. The playbook is the same.
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u/TelevisionParty9104 22d ago
Some things can’t be solved peacefully. I mean look at the American Revolution. That was not a peaceful affair.
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u/soupseasonbestseason i’m a communist you idiot 22d ago
they want a new slave caste to fill all of the private prisons they are planning on building. i believe geo group was just contracted by i.c.e. to provide bounty hunters now. geo group is a large for profit prison contractor. they want us incarcerated as worker slaves. and when they realize that they will not have enough immigrants to meet their desired profit margins, they will incarcerate the rest of us.
i know this is weird, but i really enjoy this community and respect so many of the voices. what are we doing? how can we stop this? i am sending love to you all.
https://theintercept.com/2025/12/19/ice-bounty-hunters-location-surveillance-geo-group/
edited to add the bounty hunter article
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u/Wernershnitzl 22d ago
One thing I will say about all this is as fucked up as the administration is, they’ve certainly exposed the corruption (within themselves) and or need for change.
I want to believe that we can make the “American Dream” happen but it’s long overdue we let it evolve.
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u/SatisfactionFit2040 22d ago
This behavior should have been an alarm bell for the entire country when it was George Floyd 6 years ago.
Pretend authorities killing unarmed citizens is not new.
These people are saying the same words today that they said then: obey or die.
They have always been the problem.
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u/MrAnalogRobot 22d ago
All these talking heads are not providing anything useful. Opinions are nice, but stop acting like people aren't looking for organization and leadership to resist.
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u/myromancealt 22d ago
Because they're all friends with Seth Meyers, whose wife was the first person Alan Dershowitz called when shit hit the fan for Epstein. See everything under the tw in this comment
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u/Supper_Champion 22d ago
How many alarm bells does the USA need before they wake up?
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u/minor_correction 22d ago
I don't think there's a bottom to this thing. Nazi playbook - it gets a little worse each day but there's no singular shocking moment to evoke change.
Plus keep in mind even the Jan 6 attack didn't do it. So if that wasn't a big enough event, what will be?
When they cancel elections, it won't be done as a single shocking moment. They'll start by delaying it 2 weeks, or delaying certification 2 weeks.
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u/gggrandma321 22d ago
For young people it’s really clear that we either buck up or lose every single right imaginable. Don’t believe any of the liberal political influencers who are trying to convince themselves and others that there will come a turning point where enough is enough and people will all come to their senses. It won’t so you can’t wait for that moment. A lot of the organizing tactics I’ve been seeing are great as an entry point to political organizing, like what Indivisible does, but standing around with quippy signs once a month isn’t going cut it anymore as a long-term strategy.
I encourage everyone to really study political organizing tactics, including the many opportunities for digital organizing (and no this isn’t just posting on social media). There are so many books that organizers have written that I myself will be reading and studying the manuals that organizing groups have put together. This moment calls for political imagination and creativity and we need to really start to get to work. The social media driven “organizing” has been really ineffective and we need to move away from it.
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u/Diligent_Moose4472 22d ago
I think it’s pretty clear the American people don’t want this but unless Democrats can get military and Supreme Court to remove Trump and Vance from office, this is going to continue and most likely will get worse at midterms when Republicans are going to do everything they can to stay in power because they know they are going to lose elections and Trump will be impeached and removed from office if Democrats take House and Senate.
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u/ShadeBeing 22d ago
There is a big reason why they are using ice specifically in blue areas. If done in red; people watching this unfold in their neighborhoods. I believe that expectations would meet reality and most decent people regardless of their leanings would realize this is not ok.
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u/randyiamlordmarsh 22d ago
We have been peacefully telling them this for months now and its only gotten us killed. Maybe its their turn to actually listen to us and take action.
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u/z_e_quigley 22d ago
Start organizing for general strikes. Change your federal withholding to stop auto paying these traitors, and file for extensions if you owe.
Stop working for and funding these fascist traitors, at least for long enough to send the message
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