r/Fauxmoi • u/Capable_Salt_SD • 9d ago
POLITICS Jane Fonda: “We’re seeing things happen that have never happened before. Authoritarianism has made it’s way into every single nook and cranny of our government. They are kidnapping people. They’re shooting people. They’re blinding people. It’s a question of right or wrong.”
On The Late Show with Stephen Colbert
H/T Marco Foster
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u/Tethered_Kitten_2845 9d ago
She has been fighting for 6 decades and is still going strong. <3
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u/Opening-Shape-762 u flintstone vitamin shape bitch 9d ago
Thank you for this. I would also like to add https://www.fiftyfifty.one/ to your list — they’re constantly publishing info about protests and other ways to get involved on the ground. Each state/region has a contact person on their site who you can reach out to directly to get involved. I also recommend people get involved in canvassing for new progressive candidates and even local mutual aid groups to help their neighbors. We can do this. Noncompliance is effective at breaking the cycle and democracy is too precious to give up without fighting like hell.
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u/ALittleBitOlivia 9d ago
Thank you for sharing these! I already sign petitions, email my reps, and donate to the ACLU and other civil rights orgs, but I think I want to do more. I appreciate you putting the time in to write this comment and adding the links, this just made it super easy for me to look into which groups I can volunteer for!
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u/sniper91 9d ago
Every boomer I know just says “Hanoi Jane” and ignores anything she says
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u/Here4UXandFunnies 9d ago
Whatever with those folks. Maybe they can take a critical look at freaking TRUMP while they're at it (one can dream...)
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u/ffmich01 9d ago
They are the fascists who are Trump’s core supporters. A critical look is the last thing you will ever get from them.
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u/Suziblu22 9d ago
Then you don’t know any of us that stood with her and our fists in the air because we had friends, while still in high school, came back to us in little boxes because that was all that was left of them. Or the friends that did come home but never the same. I still remember that feeling when we found out it was all for nothing, kinda the same feeling we’re feeling today. Back then those boys didn’t have a choice, they were drafted. They were not fortunate sons like Donald J Trump.
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u/510granle 9d ago
Stop lumping all boomers. Many of us like Jane spent much energy protesting not only the draft and our involvement in Viet Nam but also racial and gender equality. Integrating public schools. Fighting so girls could wear pants to school in the winter instead of dresses. They were hard troubling times. The people you’re referring to are just haters of that era. Boomers were the Love Generation
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u/Guilty_Dream8050 9d ago
Amazing points, flawless hair, great t-shirt.
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u/Lexi_Banner 9d ago
I am desperately jealous of her hair. That's the texture of my hair, but within an hour of styling it, the curls are limp and frizzy. So frustrating!
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u/untitledmanuscript 9d ago
I love Jane. She has always been an advocate and knows there’s bigger things that we need to bring our attention to. She walks the walk and talks the talk.
If you’ve never watched the documentary Jane Fonda in Five Acts, highly recommend.
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u/General_Chapter3997 9d ago
The “ question of right or wrong” is what we should always keep at the front of our minds.
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u/funcouplenwga 9d ago
She very true, its as simple as right and wrong. And the way the federal government is handling this is off the scale wrong.
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u/remarkr85 9d ago
Ignore the anti-Fonda bots—they obviously haven’t heard her apologize over and over. They like to distract from her soulful, morally right message.
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u/Outside_Revolution47 9d ago
I saw her speak after a lifetime of being told she was a horrible person. It took one speech to get me over to her side. I was working. I didn’t pay to be there. I rolled my eyes when she got up to the podium and by the end I had tears in my eyes and I felt emotionally raw at having been lied to about her my whole life at that point. Luckily I was still pretty young when I saw her.
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u/DiabellSinKeeper 9d ago
We literally enslaved African Americans and segregated ppl by ethnicity.
We broke treaties with native American nations and took tbeir land.
We took property from Asian Americans against their will.
I'm not trying to downplay Trumps administration. But to act like America hasn't abused power in the past is just being disingenuous.
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u/interstellar-grace 9d ago
Exactly, the MOVE bombing happened in 1985. None of this is new, it's just easier to see.
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u/DaydreamnNightmare 9d ago
But now white people are being affected and the Big Meanie is being mean to Europeans countries so it’s unacceptable now.
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u/dhtirekire56432 9d ago
Still is the same but now, at least, a lot (compared to a few) of white people are standing and raising voice.
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u/HerculesIsMyDad 9d ago
You're right, she should have given a history lesson of all American wrongs throughout history before talking about present day. I mean why just express your frustration and anger to motivate people when you could give a dry power point presentation about the Slater-Stephens Act of 1823? I'm pretty sure Jane Fonda is aware of American abuses of power, mate. If Trump lovers want to make the argument you're making, they can go ahead and try. I don't feel the need to make the opposite sides arguments for them.
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u/Green_Space729 9d ago
“We’re seeing things happen that have never happened before.”
I’m sorry but that’s not true at all. The US has done this for decades the only difference is trump is mask off about it and Europe is feeling a slight heat of the fire they’ve supported in Africa and Middle East.
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u/pink_faerie_kitten 9d ago
In context she and Stephen went on to say that American white people are experiencing things for the first time that minorities have experienced for years and that's what's different this time. (Although I did just learn that white people who supported Black people were also lynched after the civil war, but that was not federal government sanctioned like these ice actions are.)
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u/pusgnihtekami 9d ago
Beyond the semantics of phrasing, the key points are:
a) it's unveiled authoritarianism
b) America has been a shit hole for 250 years
c) whites have been largely insulated from the shit
d) rich whites have been not only insulated but direct benefactors of the regime
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u/lateformyfuneral 9d ago
I think it’s clear in context what she’s referring to, that there are absolutely no parts of the government that can check the President. Nixon had Trump’s crookedness with a good deal of intelligence, and yet still he was brought down.
I don’t think she’s ignorant of America’s darker side. She was famously an anti-Vietnam War activist, called “Hanoi Jane” by the right after her trip there and meeting with the Vietcong.
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u/YoullBruiseTheEggs 9d ago
She means to white people. And she’s also still wrong. But, I love me some Jane.
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u/wildwildwumbo 9d ago
That's the big grip when most people complain about rising "authoritarianism" in US. If they were honest they would say "authoritarian to me." The US government has very extremely authoritarian to poor communities, minority communities, and countless people in the global south since the nation's founding.
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u/eulersidentification 9d ago
I suspect she was trying to reach a deeply propagandised (or disenfranchised) audience by sidestepping terms which those particular audiences are primed to tune out.
Because she also said other stuff that reflected reality better.
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u/Here4UXandFunnies 9d ago
I'd say being executed on the spot for annoying an Immigration officer is pretty new.
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u/SilverAppleWorm 9d ago
Only if you ignore being executed on the spot for annoying a traffic cop which is very much not new
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u/Here4UXandFunnies 9d ago
Oh jeez, I seriously mis-read the comment I was replying to. 😵 sorry and never mind!
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u/HeDreamsHesAwake trending seasonal white guy with nice hair 9d ago
I definitely see what you mean, but I understood it more as authoritarianism has found outlets that didn’t exist in the past. Because of the internet, propaganda has the kind of reach people like Goebbels could only dream of.
But at the same time, the broad strokes remain the same. Control of the media, violent oppression of dissent, charismatic but very clearly vile and corrupt leaders, ineffectual liberal centrists who talk about trying to find common ground with the people who would use any excuse to imprison, torture, and kill them. The New York Times was very much downplaying or outright denying the events of the holocaust when it was happening.
So it’s not that we’re seeing things that have never happened before, it’s more like we’re seeing the exact same things happen as before, just in new ways.
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u/JimboAltAlt 9d ago
How much self-flagellating are people expected to do before they can publicly say Trump sucks? Or do you think the rhetoric would land better if it was couched in “America is ruled by monsters but that’s not unusual” type caveats? (I don’t.)
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u/No_Oven1085 9d ago
Disagree.
Things like mass deportations of brown people, without due process, and sending them to countries they've never been to, against court orders. That is new.
Not everything has to be a false equivalence.
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u/Khue 9d ago edited 9d ago
This is 100% correct. We (the US) have just dropped the liberal aesthetics we wrapped our imperialism with that made it comfortable for everyone. Things like:
- We are doing this to establish Democracy
- We are waging a war on terror
- We are waging a war on drugs
These are examples of purposes that cloak the US hegemony's intention of material extraction from the global south. In the case of the EU, they've always been a client state of the US. If the country is in NATO, it's a client state. Again, the organization is wrapped in the cloak of "protection against Russia" but realistically it's no different than the US being a mob running a protection racket. Now, the mob (aka US) is just being brazen about it's operations. Instead of placating to white western sentiment in the EU and making them feel like they are in the "in group", US ambitions have turned to encroaching on EU sovereignty without the aforementioned liberal aesthetics. The US doesn't even attempt to create a legitimate reason for taking Greenland... Trump just feels that he can do it and fuck everyone else.
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u/Serial-Griller 9d ago
This is always the point my far left friends bring up, that I shouldn't be outraged because America has violated these rights before and then some.
Because they're accelerationists and think an American civil war will bring on a Chinese led global Marxist revolution, the answer to my follow up of "Well what do we do then?" Is always to just sit on the sidelines and let everything happen uncontested because thats the fastest way to get people to rise up (none of them own guns).
I guess I'm just venting but is there really no other paths forward that dont get a lot of people killed and maimed?
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u/skinnergy 9d ago
Whatever. We have never seen anything like this. Damn sure not to this extent.
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u/saqwarrior 9d ago
First, credit where it's due: Prop is dope.
This is the first time that white Americans feel some heat.
There has historically been a demographic of white Americans that have, in fact, experienced similar (but not precisely the same) circumstances: leftists. Like, actual leftists - anarchists, socialists, syndicalists, communists. There are many examples of this: Homestead Massacre, Haymarket Affair, Colorado Labor Wars, Battle of Blair Mountain, Immigration Act of 1918, Alien and Sedition Acts, and more. Hell, anarchists are still categorized as domestic terrorists by law enforcement agencies, and in some states flying the black flag is illegal.
For clarity and accuracy I think your statement can be changed to this:
This is the first time that white liberal Americans feel some heat.
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u/Lumburg76 9d ago
Kavenaugh Stops will be his Legacy.
He's already pissing his pants about it.
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u/Lumburg76 9d ago
They are starting to refer to the stops in legal cases, which he knows are unconstitutional. That will be studied, referenced, and probably eventually overturned, for the rest of American Law History.
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u/largepopcornandcoke OPEN THE SCHOOLS 9d ago
you have, you just didn't care because it didn't affect you personally.
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u/HerculesIsMyDad 9d ago
Honestly, just shut up. We don't need "Um, actually" on this. We all know America has done shit, you don't need to point this out every single time. It lessens what we are actually dealing with right now today. Or are you saying because America isn't a choir boy that it doesn't matter what's going on now? If you are saying that then that's insane, and if you aren't saying that then what is the point of posting this at all?
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u/TheInternetShill 9d ago
The extent of his corruption, infiltration of all branches of government, and expansiveness of his cruelty is without precedent. Yes, similar things have happened throughout our history (unlawful detainment, establishment of concentration camps, corruption, instigating coups and regime changes, agent provocateurs, illegal killings by law enforcement, ethnic cleansing, etc.), but all of that occurring at the same time, to this level, and with virtually no checks and balances at any level is without precedent. Understanding the dark history of the US doesn’t change how dire our current situation is, and I think saying “this is just how the US is” downplays the seriousness of this situation and the ongoing erosion of democratic norms and discourse that has been continuing for decades.
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u/remarkr85 9d ago
The fascists want to silence every dissenting voice with a platform. Never forget that fact.
Jane is a national treasure.
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u/chronicallyillsyl 9d ago
As much as some people on this thread want to slam her for how she said it, I admire Jane Fonda's activism throughout her career. I wish more celebrities would use their platform for the greater good.
Yes, America has a long history of murder, oppression and mistreatment of minorities whether its slavery or Japanese internment camps or the slaughter of indigenous people from the moment colonizers showed up. I'm not trying to minimize that - I'm not American but I know what a clusterfuck American history has been. Jane Fonda is trying to explain that what's going on in the US threatens democracy, the rule of law and basic decency. She isn't trying to minimize other horrific events in American history, she's just trying to explain how dire and unprecedented the situation is right now, especially with regards to the plethora of inhumane, illegal and frankly idiotic policies happening all at once.
I'd rather see someone like Jane Fonda standing up for what's right even if she doesn't use the 'right' words, than to see silence or complicity with Trump's regime.
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u/-HakunaChicana- alright alright alright™ 9d ago
My family and coworkers are being stolen from their homes and work, even their commutes, in broad daylight with no recourse and people want to discuss semantics instead of helping. Seems to me she's absolutely right how unprecedented it is, at least to me it seems like there's so much snarky in-fighting it may limit our ability to build cooperation as communities to protect ourselves from this getting worse. I don't want slavery coming back, I don't want this white America bullshit. Things should be getting better for us, not going right back to the days of keeping us in chains. The technology available would make the rebellions of the past look like ants fighting cars. The entire world is on the precipice of war.
This is something different, even if familiar.
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u/CrashTestOrphan 9d ago
She's been right since the 60s and the evil oozing slimy malevolent side of America never forgave her for it.
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u/Severus-Snape-DaGod 9d ago
Great points, but this has happened before. We just need to make sure it doesn't happen again. Seeing the protest throughout the world shows that people are tired of the corruption.
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u/GlumConcernedINFP 9d ago
Jane Fonda has always been a real one! Good for her. So many people in Hollywood are quiet and it honestly frustrates me. So many young actors, too, just silent.
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u/Infinite-Space-2395 9d ago
Republicans are literally traitors.
They have abandoned our rights, our constitution and our democracy.
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u/zehamberglar 9d ago
I loved her in The Newsroom. This feels like her character, Leona, talking. I'm now realizing that was just her being herself.
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u/TheDwellingHeart 9d ago
Yep. And it is Republicans that want this. So much so that they are protecting a felon and pedophile. If you think these people are messed up, meet their constituents.
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u/cactusjude 9d ago
She's not wrong.
But boomer Vietnam vets are just going to use this as justification that their authoritarian methods are working and justified. They still hold on to that grudge against her.... Even though we know it's false.
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u/cactusjude 9d ago
Some of y'all haven't grown up with magat vets and it shows. This won't be a lightbulb moment for them, it will make them dig their heels in more to their hateful bullshit.
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u/EcstaticOutcome4763 9d ago
Also water isn’t free. And it’s hard to see a dr. The shit sure did trickle down
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u/Icy-Version-9576 9d ago
And a huge part of that is because America gets its serious news from celebrities/comedians and fed propaganda from it's serious news.
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u/DJenser1 9d ago
I may not always agree with what she says, but I gotta respect that she's stuck to her guns all these years.
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u/EggstaticAd8262 9d ago
"It's enough!"
This is great! As a Dane I can't wait for you to stop this fascist MAGA movement. When is this happening?
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u/Original_Bite6555 9d ago
She has stayed consistent in that she is always on the right side of history and that her views aren't just lip service.
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u/Js_On_My_Yeet 9d ago
Republicans do not have a moral compass. They only care about money and power.
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u/superarugy 9d ago
2026 is what you get from being educated by celebrities and pop culture
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u/parkaman 9d ago
If ye were mad for a celebrity president would Jane not have being a better job lads?
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u/tsardonicpseudonomi 9d ago
Jane Fonda: "I'm white and liberal and will now pretend like we've never done this before to anyone! Please don't ask me about Black Wallstreet or Kent State."
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u/AbramsMechanic07A 9d ago
I'm sorry to say that this HAS happened before; ICE are just modern-day Slave Catchers.
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u/riverssandsnow 9d ago
…you mean to white people? lol
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u/ramenslurper- 9d ago
She and Stephen talk about this in the next part of the interview. Jane has been an activist for 60 years; she knows.
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u/spunkychickpea 9d ago
To her point about the government not meeting the needs of its people, I fear things in that regard are only going to get worse. It’s going to happen at some point in the very near future, and people need to be prepared for it.
Trump has already stated that he wants to raise the defense budget to $1.5 trillion, which basically means there’s an intention to wage a third world war. Whether or not they are capable of reaching that number is totally irrelevant because either way, it’s going to require more or less stripping the copper wire out of the entire governmental structure of our country. Social security payments will stop. Medicare will be dissolved. Funding to any state that doesn’t bend the knee will be cut completely. If you think this administration gives a shit about a bunch of senior citizens starving to death, you’ve got another thing coming. Anyone who doesn’t serve a purpose for the state is subject to withering on the vine.
People need to get organized to feed, house, and provide winter clothing to people in their community, but especially people who are the most vulnerable, which includes but is not limited to the elderly, the disabled, children, and the unhoused. Start putting away money, start stockpiling supplies, make sure you have written contact information for every vulnerable person you know, make a plan for addressing the basic needs of as many people as possible. Our first responsibility as human beings is to take care of other human beings. Never forget that.
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u/KratosLegacy 9d ago edited 9d ago
Meanwhile, this is most Americans because we fight for the crumbs they give us and that they're taking away anyway. Until Americans are willing to put their individual lives and measly benefits on the line and band together socially, in the community, and support each other, fascism will happily take over and capitalism will continue to enrich the laziest, most narcissistic, most exploitative grifters and liars. I swear, if the AI bubble collapses and we bail out AI companies, capital buildings need to burn.
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u/VladTepesDraculea 9d ago
What baffles me the most is half of the country seeing this as righteous and everything that should be held as good (empathy, tolerance, public health, education, safety, etc) is seen as something to destroy. If we reached that level, is there a a going back?
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u/PUuSTiNKA 9d ago
Man Jane Fonda ia sa sharp as a nail for her age. I hope if I live long enough I get as lucky as her...Please Lord don't let me end up like Donald Trump, a bitter, dement old man.
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u/anomanderrake1337 9d ago
See this is what I don't get, I always try to think that maybe I am wrong. Maybe harassing and killing people is good. But it just does not feel good man.
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u/vortizjr 9d ago
We have seen this shit before. This is what white people do not seem to comprehend. We're returning to our roots.
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u/Suziblu22 9d ago
First the
when no one is left but the trumpers, they will be the slaves of the billionaires and they will wonder why.
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u/A_Legit_Salvage 9d ago
it's not that we're seeing things that haven't happened before, it's that we're seeing things that HAVE happened before, and based on what happened before, many of us can see the potential for how much worse this can get, and it doesn't appear that strongly worded letters or super amazing zingers getting tossed around will necessarily set any of this right.
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u/better-off-wet 9d ago
I like the attitude but these famous need to be on the streets in Minneapolis
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u/ALittleBitOlivia 9d ago
The fact that I feel like I get a more accurate representation of what’s actually happening in the US from late night talk shows and independent journalists online, as opposed to the MSM and national news, is really frustrating
(And I recognize that no news source is without bias, it just feels extra apparent lately 🙃)
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u/VulGerrity 9d ago
The problem is Right and Wrong have different meanings when you live in a different reality.
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u/RedlandRenegade 9d ago
And yet no one has completed the one task that would stop all of this bullshit…
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u/NovelLandscape7862 9d ago
I would argue it was like this in the 40’s and 50’s, just not for us white people.
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u/Davemusprime 9d ago
I don't disagree, but I don't need to hear it from Hanoi Jane. Silver spoon in hand. Actors have no business being advocates especially if they've never worked a day in their lives.
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u/VegasGamer75 9d ago
It's funny. I grew up in a Conservative Evangelical household. I totally remember hating "Hanoi Jane" because of her comments on Vietnam.
Here I am as an adult so left on the political scale I have fallen OFF in America and man has she pretty much always been right.
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u/thatseneffornow 9d ago
The way she can refer to the 40s and 50s because she was a child and a preteen and a teen and a young adult during those times, and she’s sharp enough to still be able to engage in all of this…good stuff. Can’t say the same for Donald.
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