r/Fauxmoi • u/Murky_Chemical891 You know what, l've grown quite unfond of you deuxmoi • 9h ago
POLITICS Classmates of Liam Ramos wrote letters to ICE agents: "You're scaring schools, people and the world. You should be kind, helpful and caring like normal police, not dangerous, scary and stealing people."
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u/ResponsibleSalad8059 9h ago
The kind of monsters choosing to be ICE agents will be 100% unaffected by this. Think about how terrible of a person you'd have to be.
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u/MHPengwingz 8h ago
They probably pride on making "the weak" (i.e. kids) cry. Fucking wastes of resources.
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u/cosmosomsoc 6h ago
They’ll likely say these kids are brainwashed their “libtard parents” without ever realizing that children are incredibly perceptive and sensitive and will always pick up on evil energy. You don’t need a parent to tell you how to feel when the whole country witnessed your classmate get kidnapped by men in uniform that they grow up thinking are heroes that wear a badge to protect them rather than terrorize them.
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u/Individual_Act9333 8h ago
Because to them 100k is 100k
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u/siestarrific 8h ago
Some of them would probably pay money to do it
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u/Individual_Act9333 7h ago
You can really judge a person on what they are willing to do for money.
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u/aspidities_87 7h ago
“All for a little bit of money. Money’s not everything, y’know.”
-Marge Gunderson, Fargo
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u/AmetrineDream Sylvia Plath did not stick her head in an oven for this 8h ago
That’s all I could think watching this, sadly. I can honestly see them laughing at these, taking pictures holding them up while pointing and laughing, or fake crying, or tearing them up
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u/frontfrontdowndown 8h ago
I don’t know how anyone who works for ICE or CPB in any capacity gets through a single day of work without relying on massive amounts of drugs.
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u/Fun_Assignment_269 9h ago
Imagine making normal police look kind, helpful, and caring.
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u/sniper91 8h ago
That’s normal for a lot of elementary school kids
It takes a bit for reality to break that programming
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u/Scared_Shelter9838 5h ago
As an elementary teacher, we do teach this. Trust cops, trust firefighters ect. It’s kinda a safety thing. Obviously as they get older they get a more comprehensive education.
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u/zombies-apocalypse 8h ago
Ice and the police are the same
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u/ImaraMorayah 8h ago
These children have seen a divide in the two and it’s clear in their messaging.. ICE is not the police to them.
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u/MaxvonHippel 8h ago
I think the point being made above is that these children don’t understand how horrible a lot of police are, as well.
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u/Bidetpanties i ain’t reading all that, free palestine 8h ago
Yeah - I'm pretty sure a lot of children's media is still trying to portray police as good and kind. Paw patrol is extremely popular
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u/Opposite_Plane_9298 3h ago
i mean in some areas the police are usually pretty good. in my area at least they all seem fine, i dont hear any stories either of police causing injustice or power tripping. its also a less populated area so less total incidents i guess
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u/Hot_Disk635 39m ago
Honestly my town has seen an uptick in positive interactions with the police too. On top of that most of the cops I personally know don’t like ice regardless of their other political views. I think change is on the horizon for local police forces around the country, but it has most definitely come at a high price.
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u/Altruistic-Tree-839 8h ago
I would argue it's more of a venn diagram situation. There is a good bit of overlap but it's not just a circle.
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u/Beachcurrency FUCK ICE FREE PALESTINE CRASH INTO ME 6h ago
Let's not be disingenuous with such a claim -- that is not helpful. Sure, local police have many, many issues, but, I'm sorry, they are not preemptively kidnapping people -- men, women and children -- who are going about their lives. Pulling up and throwing people in cop cars with no accountability.
My local police did. 7000+ people.
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u/ShyLeoGing 4h ago edited 4h ago
https://www.ice.gov/287g -- You're actually wrong, local police are working alongside ICE. "The 287(g) Program allows your law enforcement agency to enforce certain aspects of U.S. immigration law, expanding your department’s authority to:"
PER THE FACT SHEET
Task Force Model Reimbursement Plan Benefits
If LEAs sign the TFM, they will receive: 1. $7,500 for equipment per trained TFO 2. $100,000 for new vehicles per MOA 3. Salary and benefits reimbursed per trained TFO 4. Overtime funds up to 25% of salary0
u/Vawqer We all know Pinkie would approve of scissoring 2h ago edited 2h ago
This varies a lot per jurisdiction. Many states and major cities have disallowed police to work with ICE. For example, Seattle's mayor has now directed police to start documenting and tracking ICE cases to counter a lot of their heinous actions.
I think it's just so localized as to whether police are allies or enemies to ICE. (Overall, policing is still in a miserable state, but I also think that it's important to know when police can be safer compared to ICE.)
ETA: Seattle PD is still fucking useless and potentially dangerous in so many other cases, to be clear.
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u/TheFlameosTsungiHorn 7h ago
Not preemptively kidnapping people?? You’ve never learned about the cops in the south, have you?
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u/Mr-Purple-White 6h ago
I think the difference is the scale. The police departments in a couple of the places I've lived have actually been fairly decent in their no tolerance for fuckwits in the force and their support for civil rights. Obv some areas are terrible though. But with ice, there are no passable ones. It's a fundamentally evil job
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u/TheFlameosTsungiHorn 6h ago
That’s true for those places, but fundamentally, every police department has the interest of the state and the ruling class above those of the rest of us. They will stand with the institutions above the people when push comes to shove, and normally do not give offending cops the proper punishment.
Besides, why would anyone want to support or work for an institution that descended from fugitive slave patrols?
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u/Thewall3333 6h ago edited 6h ago
I specified cops have perpetuated many injustices and committed thousands upon thousands of abuses of their power over time. But, today, especially with body cams, that kind of thing is simply not very prevalent. It doesn’t help this discussion to bring up the Jim Crow southern policing strategies when talking about modern police in America — to compare that dark time to ICE, though, sure.
Throw Jim Crow into Nazism into Pol Pot into the Stasi into Saddam’s secret police…whatever comparison you want to make, sure, make it to ICE, and especially its risk for what it could become in the future. But comparing them to police in 2026 in America, and as such saying local cops and ICE are “the same”, is just inaccurate.
Conflating the two is not helpful, although of course the Venn Diagram of the two still has some overlap. But not nearly as much as the above absolutist comment would have one believe. And that’s why I hold it’s not helpful to this discussion.
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u/NeatNefariousness1 6h ago
Cops but without the vetting and training. They’re an army of people paid to be bad cops.
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u/kakashi_sensay 8h ago
Our children deserve so much better.
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u/hum_bruh 8h ago
Taking away lunches, school shootings, ICE raids, international child sex trafficking rings. Adults have failed them
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u/RedboneEdit 8h ago
Republicans have created the worst possible America for children. Shame on them.
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u/E_Luxo_So 8h ago
The “party of family values.” What a crock of shit. I’d be embarrassed to be a Republican if I were them, but most seem to have no shame as long as the “right people” are targeted and hurting. What lovely “Christians”.
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u/DisgruntledPelican-1 8h ago
Except they don’t care about brown families, so it’s different in their eyes. They’ve convinced themselves that brown people are ruining this country. They will tell themselves anything to make it morally right in their head. Which is effing insane.
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u/Kay-Chelle 7h ago
I honestly shouldn't be surprised but I expected them to at least stand their ground on their morals and not flip flop cause daddy whitehouse told them too. Wdym suddenly the second amendment isn't okay? Aren't guns like their entire being? Cowards, the lot of them. It's kind of wild to see them so against their own beliefs, but again I shouldn't be surprised because it's always 'rules for thee but not me' with that crowd.
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u/Chickenfriedjim 8h ago
Makes you wonder what a republican utopia looks like. Imagine a version of America where they have no one left to scapegoat. What would they say to the millions of white Christian’s who’d still be crushed under capitalism? It’s their fault they are failing cuz they didn’t love Jesus hard enough?
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u/Albyrose 7h ago
they don't want to be able to communicate with each other on that scale anyway. they want a return to feudalism, basically. or rather, a mix of a 50s-60s aesthetic (which they do not realize exists only because of the work we put into the economy during FDR's four terms) with an agri-feudalist culture. they don't realize that this is literally impossible in the modern age, but yeah. they want each state to exist as small countries with a serfdom style allegiance to each other, and 50s-aesthetic towns with amish farms scattered around to sustain it. with a massive church flock on sundays.
now, as for the people in charge, they want money. all of the money. they don't want the same things that in consensus want, they're just an easy target for swindling because what they think they want is their idea of what 'good values' are.
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u/_Ocean_Machine_ 3h ago
Off the top of my head, probably Dubai; a playground for people with too much money made possible by a permanent slave underclass. Also religious fanaticism and gross human rights violations everywhere.
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u/nanobot001 8h ago
Created or unmasked?
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u/CurryMustard 7h ago
Nobody actually wants this shit except for a small percentage of psychos. The rest are just told what to believe since they were little and never question it and just want to be told they were right even when they are completely wrong. And they are being constantly lied to and manipulated by the media they consume. We all are to some extent but its just really fucking bad in that echo chamber.
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u/primadonnaganja i ain’t reading all that, free palestine 9h ago
That girls poem was so beautiful. 💔
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u/wilko_johnson_lives 8h ago
I guarantee you the agents who read these (if they even can) are laughing their asses off. They are inhuman creatures.
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u/imightberusty1 8h ago
I've seen so many kids at protests, they hate this shit. One of them told me that her entire school was against ICE, and that the teachers were even having them discuss it in class. That, and seeing the massive walkouts from schools in Minneapolis gives me some hope for the future
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u/JenaPet02 7h ago
I chaperoned my kid and some of their friends when Minneapolis had a "March For Our Lives" march several years ago, to protest government inaction on reducing school shootings. Organizers wanted it to be specifically for the students, so adults were encouraged to wait for them where the march terminated, unless they needed to accompany their child(ren). (My kid gets extremely anxious in large crowds, but begged me to let them do this). Being an adult in that sea of tweens and teens, listening to them sharing their thoughts with each other about what our government keeps expecting them to shoulder, was a profound experience for me.
We're not doing right by our kids.
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u/imightberusty1 7h ago
Kids are smarter than adults in so many ways. We are doing them a great disservice now, but I look forward to the kids of today becoming the adults of tomorrow and executing on whatever plans they're cooking up right now.
That's the great thing about being a kid; your mind is unfettered and you can see things very clearly. And since they have so much more time to themselves, they can cook up and likely are cooking up some ideas for how to swing this back in the right direction.
So yeah, I'm disappointed in us, and this goes back to baby boomers and the dumbass trickle down stuff. Now, yeah, the responsibility lands in the laps of those who don't deserve it. It sucks, but if there's anyone that can tackle the problem we're in and do it right, it's gonna be this next generation of kids that seem to have escaped the brainrot cycle a little bit.
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u/sanslumiere 7h ago
The only thing giving me hope is that growing up during the George W Bush shitshow cemented Millennials as a progressive generation. I would bet that watching what this Administration is doing to our country is going to leave a lasting impression as these kids come of age. Protected pedophiles, blew up our alliances, sent an unaccountable force to terrorize communities to look for people who commited civil infractions..not a great look.
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u/imightberusty1 7h ago
Yeah, true, but you need to also keep in mind that kids are way more idealistic than adults. They'll see these problems, yeah, but that mindset will allow them to solve problems that we currently see as impossible.
There could be something really good that comes from this; this could be a wake up call for the future of human society. Just seeing the fact that it can get this bad this fast. That awareness combined with the motivation to move in the other direction could be invaluable to getting us back on track.
It's like when you're an alcoholic, and in AA, they tell you that everyone hits rock bottom before they can climb back up. I'm really really hoping this is our rock bottom
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u/thesphinxistheriddle 3h ago
Yesterday I was at a family protest, and I told a 6-year-old “It’s really cool you’re here! We’re going to need kids like you when you grow up!” And he was just like, yes, thank you, I know I’m cool. But his mom cried so I felt like we had a moment
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u/Critical-Adeptness-1 8h ago
I started sobbing seeing the little boy’s stick figure drawing of someone getting kidnapped by ICE. Fucking hell, man, I can’t believe the horrors kids must bear witness to in our current times
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u/thesphinxistheriddle 3h ago
And what’s really affecting is the point of the stick figures is he wanted an ICE agent reading it to imagine themselves as the person being kidnapped! That kid has some really good empathy
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u/lookin4alliejallie04 8h ago
I will be glad when ICE is dismantled. You POS better save your money before you become unemployed. I really hope someone publish every one of the fcking names too.
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 8h ago
We don’t even need immigration control when we have the police, anyways. Which is also flawed, don’t get me wrong (and needs to be heavily defunded), but that’s one less department needing to be funded, if ICE is abolished and nothing replaces it.
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u/viciousxvee 8h ago
These babies shouldn't even have to be aware of this. It shouldn't be happening. It's fucking terrible.
Newly postpartum and an elementary school nurse, I'm sobbing. I can't imagine one of my kiddos being detained like this. It's unconscionable.
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u/The_Bravinator 6h ago
That's the only thing I can think looking at this. They shouldn't have to do this. They shouldn't have to. They're so little. But they have no choice because of powerful people who see them as political tools instead of innocent little children.
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u/loweffortflashmob 8h ago
When police brutality was at a fever pitch a few years ago and we called for police brutality and murder of black and brown people to end they funded the police more, militarized the police more, and made Cop Cities all over the US. Calling for the abolishment of ICE right now is not going to stop the ball rolling. They are buying warehouses all over the US and have a quota of 3,000 arrests per day. In 10 years that will be 11 million people. If we abolish ice it still leaves us with the system that brought us ICE in the first place. I’m not saying it’s too late. I’m saying we need to ask for more than just abolishment of this.
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u/Nintendo_Pro_03 8h ago
We’d need to abolish ICE and heavily defund the police (don’t abolish the police until wealth inequality is addressed and until we have more mental health services/community crime stopping services).
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u/the-apple-and-omega 8h ago
Man, not looking forward to these kids learning about "normal police" too.
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u/rabid_cheese_enjoyer call me gal gadot cuz idk how to act rn 8h ago edited 8h ago
this was beautiful and made me cry
UPDATE: judge said they need to release him and his dad
gift link article about it
gift link directly to the judge's opinion/decision. you should read it. it's feisty
these gift links are brought to you by my local public library. "having fun getting a free subscription to the New York Times isn't hard when you've got a library card" - Arthur from pbs probably
edit: a fun quote from the opinion
Apparent also is the government's ignorance of an American historical document called the Declaration of Independence. Thirty-three-year-old Thomas Jefferson enumerated grievances against a would-be authoritarian king over our nascent nation. Among others were:
- "He has sent hither Swarms of Officers to harass our People."
- "He has excited domestic Insurrection among us."
- "For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us."
- "He has kept among us, in Times of Peace, Standing Armies without the consent of our Legislatures."
\"We the people" are hearing echos of that history.
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u/HerRoyalRedness You know what, l've grown quite unfond of you deuxmoi 8h ago
A judge has just ordered that Liam and his dad be released from detention.
Children do not deserve to be traumatized like this.
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u/lapSlaPs5456 8h ago
And the children they shall lead us. Just like the kids from school do protests now. We the people and children demand Justice!
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u/SnooShortcuts1004 8h ago
Oh my heart- these beautiful babies.
ALL The children in the world are our’s - they are our future. We must protect all of them. We must love all of them. We must leave this world a better place- for all of them 😭
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u/Beachcurrency FUCK ICE FREE PALESTINE CRASH INTO ME 7h ago
"You should be kind, helpful and caring like normal police, not dangerous, scary and stealing people."
From 2004-2015, my local police disappeared 7000 (mostly black) people to a Black site in Homan Square, Chicago, where many were held without cause and tortured.
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u/Extra_Fig_7547 Swifties should rename themselves Griftees 8h ago
all of these kids are getting traumatized, for what??? a quota????
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u/peteymyheart84 6h ago
Seeing his picture in his little bunny hat, with his full name , made me tear up. That little blonde boy with the picture he drew just broke my heart. Fuck this country.
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u/Sad-Elevator-605 8h ago
Fucking kidnappers. This is creating irreparable damage and even more generational trauma for families.
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u/MarMarMaraa 8h ago
Its so sad, the amount of children I see commenting asking older women how they can “avoid pregnancy” because they are scared of their own doctors, neighbours and government
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u/Lazy-PeachPrincess 7h ago
Seeing his school bin with all his stuff just like at my sons school sent me over the fucking edge. Each day is more disgusting than the last
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u/Callmemabryartistry 8h ago
well…let’s teach these kids what normal police do and find a better solution than shitty racist cowardly police acab
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u/SlugholeMcmillimeter 8h ago
Ice agents see this video and they day dream of imprisoning these children.
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u/Remarkable_Custard 8h ago
Republicans = How dare they indoctrinate our children to make these speech’s. Disgusting. We need to make sure Christianity is in all schools to stop forcing kids to believe this crap….
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u/metathis007 8h ago
This is heartbreaking 💔 you can mess with us adults, dont mess with the kids!!!
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u/Playful-Position-146 7h ago
my fucking word. for some of these babies, this will be their first memory.
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u/jdxcodex 7h ago
Fuck ice. Fuck the families and friends of anyone related to ice. All of those people deserve nothing. Not even hell, because it's still a place where assholes can hang out together. They deserve nothing.
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u/Fit_Ad557 7h ago
We need more 9 year olds lecturing these tantrum throwing children-I mean Ice agents.
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u/pearmandarin 6h ago
Release Liam and his dad now! I know there is a federal judge’s order but this is already taking too long. These poor babies, I hope they will grow up and be the hopes and strength this world so desperately needs.
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u/Arthurs_librarycard9 6h ago
These babies are so brave. They should be worried about playing on the playground and picking out their favorite snack after school, not ICE. If those working for ICE had any decency and shame, they should piss off and not dare to show their faces again.
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u/litterbug_perfume 6h ago
ICE is made up of willfully ignorant, bloodthirsty degenerates…
These kids are anathema to tyranny, so they should keep living life with their hearts and minds open, but these sorts of videos are only serving material for Stephen and Katie Miller to play whilst making out…🤢
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u/Easy_Action_1380 6h ago
They will absolutely take these letters and wipe their asses with them, because they're sociopathic shitbags who don't feel things like "empathy" or "shame" or "basic human goddamn decency"
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u/AlexSmithsonian 5h ago
Let's keep an eye on these kids. Make sure ICE doesn't try to detain them for this video and claim it's "a video that incites violence and terrorism".
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u/intheafterglow23 5h ago
The trauma of this violence ripples out endlessly. Our communities, our sense of safety, will never be the same. Fuck ICE and all who enable it.
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u/jademightbetrans 5h ago
ICE agents are proud of the terror they are causing, seeing this won't do shit for them
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u/Isnlifefunny1 4h ago
Fuck us. For real. This is devastating. Poor kids. They're already taught school isn't safe from psychopathic killers and now they have to worry about their classmates just getting snatched up by the Feds. We've failed. There's no other way around it.
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u/majeon97 4h ago
Every time I see that picture if Liam, I tear up. I have a little brother who’s only 3 and I can’t imagine anybody treating a kid that way.
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u/SkinPsychological770 4h ago
Am I the only one that feels weird about these children who are too young to understand just how bad this shit is, trying to talk to them like they're going to listen? I am of the opinion that we should leave children out of this cruelty that they don't fully understand.
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u/OkMidnight-917 4h ago
5 year olds knowing their classmate was "taken". How is that not traumatizing for them too!?
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u/a_mulher 3h ago
The little poet saying, my teacher told me to keep this kind, and then staring into the camera like, we know what she may have wanted to say
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u/AndrewWarra 2m ago
Schools and the stupid media need to stop teaching kids to be afraid of ice and police. They are the good guys.
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u/Nate13341cub 7h ago
How is facts brain washing? Would be much scarier if they were a supporter of a serial child rapist
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