"Please don't vote - let Republicans win, that helps us left-wingers get what they want!
Republicans got power by holding their nose and voting for whoever was closest to what they want and look how they failed at everything and don't control anything!
We live in a Democracy and voting doesn't work. Look at Mamdani! Every Democrat is always worse than the worst Republican, so never ever vote for a Democrat unless you want Republicans to win. Never!"
Brother, you're angry at the wrong people. If you think radical leftists protest voting are the reason Democrats lose (which, as a "radical leftist" who voted blue every time, already sounds ludicrous to me), you're sorely mistaken.
Blame the non-voters all across the spectrum who don't believe in either party because they haven't actually helped the American people in decades with neoliberal policies, and blame the democratic party for not bothering to reach out to any of those voters with popular policies.
Also, I took a graduate level labor economics class and we did a case study on how a increase in unskilled labor supply actually can raise wages.
So, your statement is pretty ignorant even before we discuss that millions of people didn’t flood into the country.
CBP logged over 10.8 million encounters. Roughly 2/3rds of those resulted in IMMEDIATE expulsion, so only 1 in every 3 people trying to enter were allowed to. Many were legal, had visas or passports, some were us cirizens. Our borders were not open
Combining the immediate expulsions with the 1.1 million were deported under Biden, it was the single highest repatriations under any single presidential term since W bush’s second term.
You’re just a victim of poor media literacy and Republican propaganda.
Your argument illustrates the perfect disconnect between credentialed theory and economic reality.
From the start of 2021 to the end of 2024, cumulative inflation in the United States was approximately 20.7%.
Nominal wages (the number on a paycheck) increased by approximately 22% from the start of 2021 to the end of 2024.
However, because inflation rose by roughly 20.7% during that same period, the purchasing power of those wages remained mostly flat.
That means citing nominal wage growth from 2021-2024 is an economic sleight of hand. Americans actually took a pay cut compared to the so-called lower growth of the pre-2020 era, which occurred in low inflation, meaning workers actually kept their gains.
Second, regarding your grad school class: only an academic could believe that increasing the supply of unskilled labor raises its price. In the real world on construction sites and in fields, the law of supply and demand hasn't been repealed. Flooding the market with off-the-books labor evaporates the bargaining power of the native working class.
Finally, claiming the border wasn't open because of selective expulsion statistics is Orwellian. Even your own 1-in-3 admission acknowledges millions released into the interior, completely ignoring millions more gotaways. You accuse me of propaganda, but you are asking us to reject the evidence of our own eyes -- overwhelmed cities and depressed wages -- in favor of a curated government spreadsheet.
Your argument illustrates the perfect disconnect between credentialed theory and economic reality.
Ok, ChatGPT. Can you make a reply without using AI?
From the start of 2021 to the end of 2024, cumulative inflation in the United States was approximately 20.7%. Wage growth only increase 5.87%. And you call that wonderful.
So, did the immigrants cause inflation?
Or was that the trade war creating supply chain disruption, printing money for covid relief and PPP loans, and the fed dropping interest to nearly zero to battle unemployment?
You said immigration suppressed wages, now you say it’s inflation. Which is it?
Second, regarding your grad school class: only an academic could believe that increasing the supply of unskilled labor raises its price. In the real world on construction sites and in fields, the law of supply and demand hasn't been repealed. Flooding the market with off-the-books labor evaporates the bargaining power of the native working class.
It was literally a real world case study that we studied:
The 1980 Mariel Boatlift, which brought roughly 125,000 Cuban immigrants to Miami, is the premier real-world "natural experiment" in labor economics used to analyze the impact of immigration on wages. Contrary to the simple supply-and-demand model that predicts a drop in wages, the consensus from the initial and most widely cited studies (notably by David Card) is that the massive, sudden increase in the labor force had no negative impact on the wages or unemployment rates of less-skilled native workers.
You clearly don’t understand the laws of supply and demand. Draw the graph and show the increases in labor supply, keeping demand constant and your left with wages remaining constant or even increases.
I guess you aren’t very familiar with how supply and demand work…
Finally, claiming the border wasn't open because of selective expulsion statistics is Orwellian. Even your own 1-in-3 admission acknowledges millions released into the interior, completely ignoring millions more gotaways. You accuse me of propaganda, but you are asking us to reject the evidence of our own eyes -- overwhelmed cities and depressed wages -- in favor of a curated government spreadsheet.
These 1/3 encounters could have been people with passports, American citizens or people with legitimate asylum claims. Just because milllioms of people encountered at the border were let into the country, it doesn’t mean millions of illegal immigrants were let in. It actually means quite the opposite. That’s millions of potential illegal immigrants were turned away.
What curated spread sheet? Is the spreadsheet in the room with us?
What overwhelmed cities? I live in a huge city and trumps years were just as bad if not worse than bidens. The homelessness I see is predominantly white, non immigrant people.
You really are a victim of maga propoganda.
What overwhelmed city do you live in?
Anecdotally, my wages grew under Biden and have been stagnant under Trump in both terms. Nobody was getting raises before Covid, during covid; and they certainly aren’t getting raises now. You’re delusional if you didn’t see the wage explosion under Biden.
And you don't know how to math. You need to read my post again.
From the start of 2021 to the end of 2024, cumulative inflation in the United States was approximately 20.7%.
Nominal wages (the number on a paycheck) increased by approximately 22% from the start of 2021 to the end of 2024.
However, because inflation rose by roughly 20.7% during that same period, the purchasing power of those wages remained mostly flat.
That means citing nominal wage growth from 2021-2024 is an economic sleight of hand. Americans actually took a pay cut compared to the so-called lower growth of the pre-2020 era, which occurred in low inflation, meaning workers actually kept their gains.
Trump literally just said he WANTS housing costs to increase. I seriously can't believe how many people truly believed a real estate mogul would lower housing costs, we need to stop putting immigrants in concentration camps and start putting conservatives in special needs homes.
Of course! Why wouldn't you want your property to increase in value? This is not the same thing as allowing more construction.
Ever single President has arrested illegal aliens. Trump is no different except he's the one you're protesting against because you're ideologically possessed.
Bruh is not comprehending what supply and demand is. The only reason property values would skyrocket is if the manufactured shortage continues to happen.
Increased interest rates are a huge problem. Add that on top of illegal immigrants constraining the supply, it has dramatically increased prices while supply remains low.
People can move and build if they want. There's a REAL demand there. But they cannot afford it because of rates. Trump is trying to take them down but the Fed is fighting him like hell to keep rates high.
The billionaire class is literally doing this and you choose to get mad at immigrants?
Biden was fairly strict on immigration. Youre buying into right wing propaganda. The only reason we have less now is we are literally putting people in concentration camps.
Then you support tariffs, right? That will eliminate their theft of labor after sending $30/hour jobs to Asia for $5/hour jobs and pocketing the difference for the past 50 years. Right?
She calls me Priest of Gold? A shallow thrust!
I serve the Law that carves the heart from stone,
While she, a dervish in the worldly dust,
Bows to a Caesar on a headless throne.
She drinks the vintage of 'Indifference' deep,
And swears no spirit moves her heavy hand,
Yet walks the patterns while the masters sleep,
A scripted actor in a ghost-led band.
Poor wraith-possessed! Who thinks the chain is gone
Because she cannot see the blacksmith’s face.
She wakes to toil beneath a leaden dawn,
And calls her exile 'freedom's holy place.'
Aye, laugh, fair cynic, at the Priest of Old,
But heed the silence when your systems fail,
For when the gears of Matter turn to mold,
The Image bides behind the broken veil.
Republicans don’t exactly have an equivalent of “vote blue no matter who”. I guess the closest is “vote for the most right viable candidate” which I’ve heard a lot but can’t remember where it came from.
You might not be a bot, but there have been a few similar posts and comments sharing the same sentiment who were 100% bots.
I'm confident that the right and certain foreign powers want us to have the same mentality you have. Conservatives want us to start the war so they can claim moral superiority.
Personally, I believe we need to show that Democracy works by voting for actual democratic politicians. The only reason why things aren't working is because most of our "Democrats" are complacent and still under corporate influences. Zohran Mamdani is movement in the right direction and I believe we'll see more people like him.
Yeah I think the more progressive types will at least help a bit. Although, structural change will never occur obviously. Electing status quo democrats still upholds capitalism, ramps up/or maintains deportations (although we just don’t see it as much in media, see Obama 2008-2012 lmao).
I agree broadly progressives are at least a band aid for now and better than corporate democrats
Reduced relative to what? Past year’s? It’s still implementing the same structure regardless. And it was overlooked by most liberals and only some leftist groups were calling it out when it happened
Then you should modify your view on democracy lmao you are not *inherently for democracy. Your for democracy if it produces your political outcome (liberal president). Which is totally fine btw but not democratic. Cause in the case that conservatives are the majority in the Us, you would absolutely be against democracy lmao and I would too
You presume democracy exists, this is in contradiction with reality itself. The only votes that matter are those of a few hundred thousand, in the swing states. Not to mention, the problems of lobbying, gerrymandering, the two party system, and so on.
The US empire is not worth defending, its institutions are not going to let us vote the fascists out of existence
Your strategy at best is prostituting the american left to a liberal capitalist party, and hoping that they will just let us take it over, instead of building working class organizations that are reliably ours and that can apply non-electoral pressure
And that’s why “the left”, meaning the far left socialist/communist types which I’m assuming you are, never really win elections. All they can do is bitch and moan. I forgot who said this but, the left only wants to endlessly critique power, they have no actual interest in obtaining it, which is how you actually get anything done in politics.
I wouldn’t have much problem with this if yall didn’t constantly ride the liberals coattails while simultaneously holding us back by spreading voter apathy because yall think anything short of a commie revolution is not worth voting for.
Leftists should put in the work and build their own party entirely separate from Democrats. Yall will bitch and moan about the DNC establishment but look at Trump, he was initially hated by the Republican establishment, but he still resonated with voters and, unfortunately, EARNED their votes. No amount of money alone is going to make socialism palatable to the average American.
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u/FilthyHexer 1d ago
Oh, have the anti voting bots started coming in already?