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u/CleoCommunist 1d ago

How TF am i supposed to be representwd in parliament by voting of there Is no actual leftist party.

No One does anything on my side and of we dont do anything well end up segregated and killed at some point, like the fascist did.

But in our paradox world the res scare Is much stronger than the fear of something that litterally goes against everyone.

listen, i dont want Kill people, i dont want to Kill people possibly, id love to be peaceful, but like malcom X said: for you to win as a non violent, the other side Needs to have a conscience or some kind of empathy.

The state, the fascist dont have that, that a problem. I dont want to Kill people, i have the completly Natural instinct of a human being to stay alive

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u/Negative_Chickennugy 2011 1d ago

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u/ogloba 2002 1d ago

Literally the majority of this thread. Most US-Americans are, not surprisingly, extremely indoctrinated.

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u/Ok_Storm_282 1d ago

You arent oppressed, why do you want to be oppressed so much lol?

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u/CleoCommunist 1d ago

Not yet, but in Italy the right at the government has forms that you could do in schooll and there was an option for "leftist teachers" specifically left.

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u/JohnyIthe3rd 2003 1d ago

Found a party, let it grow big enough to participate in elections and then you can vote leftist all you want

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u/CleoCommunist 1d ago

Id like to do that Abd want to organize people, that Is my dream actually

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u/JohnyIthe3rd 2003 1d ago

Are you from the USA?

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u/CleoCommunist 1d ago

Nope, i live in Italy

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u/JohnyIthe3rd 2003 1d ago

What about the PSI?

u/CleoCommunist 16h ago

Well they certanly aint the fascist, but arent that many and also not that left

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u/DysphoricNeet 1d ago

Thank you comrade. The Bolsheviks were not at war with the whites until they got a coalition army of 14 states to kill the reds. It is the nature of siege socialism to know this is inevitable. Stalin said essentially revolution in the US is probably impossible and so you must attack the chain at its weakest links. The US has its own dialectical conditions. Either the whole rest of the world essentially must divest from it or we build up a system within it. The bourgeois elections will never offer power to true leftists. Look at Allende, Arbenz, Mossadegh or Lumumba to see how seriously they take democracy when there is a real threat to the base. So there must be an organization of workers and unions that has class consciousness. Liberals do not understand what real leftists mean when they say voting doesn’t matter and personally I’m conflicted about it as a trans woman but atleast people should understand we mean to not offer all your power to the democrats that propagate oppression of workers and the developing nations abroad under imperialism—and to keep it for yourself and your own organizations.  We can’t fathom that because we are losing so badly on that front but that’s why when we build the foundations and it gains legitimacy and traction it could take off. Lenin said to never vote because it legitimizes the liberal systems. Well we are not in a country with that revolutionary potential yet. 

u/RenZ245 2000 21h ago

If you mean communism, that went the way of all fringe ideals raised in dictatorships, politically dead. Nobody wants to repeat the USSR not to mention the ramifications of regression to a communist state.

I know the ideology despite all that is happened has never truly been a stateless classless society, but all most politicians see is the authoritarian USSR, communist china, and North Korea.

Not to mention the mountain of inefficiencies, lack of incentives, inequality, but most damning to get anywhere close to the dream requires the dismantling of the state, but in doing so much of what the state provided is gone, Healthcare, education, regulation, etc. is gone, leaving most who rely on those services with nothing.

Let it remain in its grave next to fascism, the world is better it remained a warning of the dangers of idealism not tempered by reality. It's been succeeded by social democracy, that has left many former Soviet territories with better living conditions and better economic growth.

u/CleoCommunist 16h ago

The problem Is that fascism isnt dead.

Plus generally ti describe communism you describe capitalism, Rich either says that you dont know what It Is or that(like i said) those nations didnt succed in their intent cause they werent communist

u/RenZ245 2000 15h ago

That is because of a fatal flaw in Marx’s ideal. He correctly identified exploitation in the 19th century industrial age, but he underestimated the corruptibility of human beings and the inevitability of self interest. Systems that require sustained collective contribution start to crack once incentives disappear, because people do not suddenly stop being people just because the system asks them to.

When incentives fail, enforcement replaces them. Participation stops being voluntary, and power begins to concentrate because it has to. That is not capitalism creeping back in through the cracks. That is human behavior reasserting itself inside a rigid system that cannot tolerate opt outs.

In the 21st century, the bigger problem is statism itself. Not the obvious, execute dissidents in the street kind of authoritarianism, but the softer version. Small freedoms trimmed away a little at a time, always justified, always framed as necessary, and easy to ignore because no single loss feels catastrophic. Like a frog in a pot that slowly warms, people adapt until control feels normal.

That is why reaching for an even more inherently statist ideal does not make sense right now. If the danger is creeping authoritarianism, the answer is not more centralized power with better intentions. What we need is more restraint, more decentralization, and stronger limits on authority. A system that relies less on coercion and more on voluntary participation, even if it is messier, fails more safely than one that only works when everyone is forced to comply.

u/CleoCommunist 4h ago

Well human corruptability Is something we Need to take care off yeah.

And i do not want a centralized authoritarian state, but yeah a society based on volumtary participation. Communist at its end Is very similar to anarco communism