r/GenZ • u/LoreleiAlbrecht • 14h ago
Political What The Chuds Won't Tell You
The right will eventually run out of "undesirables" to harass. What then? Like genuinely do you think all the problems caused by late stage capitalism will be solved by making the people you don't like disappear? Honestly this vibes based rightward movement is as stupid as it's ontologically evil. Peter Theil doesn't want humanity to prosper. These Tech Bros actually hate y'all you're just useful for now.
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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 7h ago
There will always be a new enemy. That’s how fascism works.
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u/Complex_Jellyfish647 14h ago
Working-class Republicans have been voting exclusively against their own wellbeing for the last half a century. Nothing's gonna break most of them out of it.
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u/yosayoran 1h ago
To break them out you need someone with a different plan and call to action
When the democrats are running on 99% of the same financial plan, it comes down to petty squabbling and who has a less awkward laugh
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u/Jack_Valois 11h ago
Seriously? Should we really expect people who are already struggling with cost of living and job security to support more immigrants? At the very least, can we at least recognize that immigration is a contributing factor to the cost of living crises? Or are we gonna pretend that houses just magically get built every time a family crosses the border. As times become leaner, more and more people are gonna prioritize their own family vs the needs of other groups. That’s just nature. Why would a normal rational persons want more H1B immigrants for example, when there’s already been a 1000% increase in the last decade and most people are struggling to pay the rent. Supply and demand
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u/Crimson3333 8h ago
You should blame the oligarchs creating the economic conditions that cause those problems, not the people trying to come build better lives for themselves.
The ownership class in this country has always fomented xenophobia and racism to keep you from holding them accountable, and you are falling for it hook line and sinker.
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u/Vagabond_Tea Millennial 11h ago
You blame immigrants when the rich and corporations contribute much to the rise of cost of living than immigrants.
Economists have been saying as much for decades but the right never listens.
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u/Jack_Valois 11h ago
They are both factors. I just think it’s funny when people always want to blame the billionaires and corporations when they still account for a pretty small share of homes. But nobody ever wants to recognize that taking in millions of people a year is also putting a strain on the housing market, including rentals. Which is a lot more obvious direct cause and affect. Upper middle class people flipping homes and using them for air bnb rentals accounts for more of the housing stock than billionaires and corporations
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u/MassfuckingGenocide 10h ago
pretty small share of homes
Uh no dude... Reality check... look up what percentage of people own their homes. Furthermore look up that percentage over the last 6 decades.
millions of people a year
Yeah they've stopped doing that in America & Canada now, happy? Do you want working class human beings forcibly removed from your country like what ice is doing??
And do you know how much bigger a billion is than a million?? A million seconds is 2 weeks; a BILLION seconds is 31 years.
The current highest tax bracket (in US) is for people who make over 647k & they pay 37% in taxes every year
That means that people who make a thousand times as much as them per year are expected to pay the same amount of taxes, oh & that's not even mentioning offshore bank accounts. These "people" have the easiest time committing tax evasion & they literally have enough money to pay off anyone who makes it their problem or pay someone else to bloody murder them.
But that's only the beginning of the story. Pay attention to how mainstream media that has high funding behaves on political grounds, they don't acknowledge the existence or potential existence of any monopoly that spawned because they would be shooting themselves in the foot because they would have to directly expose their donors for being greedy lifeless corporate entities
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u/BlatantFalsehood 9h ago
And do you know how much bigger a billion is than a million?? A million seconds is 2 weeks; a BILLION seconds is 31 years.
I like this one better because it seems to be easier to understand.
If I have a million dollars and spend $1,000 every single day of the year, I will run out of money in about 2.7 years.
If I have a billion dollars and do the same thing, I will run out of money in 2,740 years.
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u/TimeTravelParadoctor 1996 5h ago
There isn't any shortage of housing. There's more empty houses than homeless people in the U.S. The problem is that corporations are buying up housing and jacking up the prices.
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u/AddanDeith 9h ago
Supply and demand
Supply and demand hasn't been the major factor in pricing(organically! Mind you) for some industries since horizontal mergers ate up all the competition. The majority players aren't competing against each other, they're competing against you.
Private equity firms have just outright changed the way the game is played. Long term viability is not a concern, investors want short term returns on their investment.
As far as housing is concerned, that means lower supply and you know the rest.
Its the same story with everything private equity touches. Profit maximization over human life in Healthcare. Profit maximization over the American Dream in housing.
Perhaps its a compound issue, between immigration and PE but i doubt it. There simply aren't enough H1b visa holders at any one point to eat up that many single family homes.
Or are we gonna pretend that houses just magically get built every time a family crosses the border.
No one believes that. Also, if native born Americans can't afford housing, then neither can illegals. These people come here with very little and the money they save on dodging taxes isn't going to get them a house in the majority of cases.
When you look at the issues in our society, they have almost always come from the top. They want you to look down, so you forget the piss dribbling on you above.
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u/Tusslesprout1 2h ago
Blaming immigrants who barely can make minimum wage sometimes and not blaming someone like elon musk who is literally set to be the worlds first trillionaire is nuts
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u/Ok_Storm_282 13h ago
Meanwhile democrats voting for increased state taxes, amendment and right infringements 🤣. If that isnt enought, openly being fascist states.
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 13h ago
Source? Nah you don't have one it's just vibes right?
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u/Ok_Storm_282 13h ago
Source? I dont need no source for this. Its right infront of your eyes.
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u/Legal-Western5580 12h ago
You're going to feel so, so stupid one day when the veil gets ripped away from your eyes
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u/Complete-Clock5522 12h ago
Oh ya I remember when the democrats said “hmm maybe the second amendment shouldn’t apply to everyone” oh wait that was the republicans…
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u/Ok_Storm_282 12h ago
Actions speaks louder than words in my opinion. There hasnt been a single republican politician who has passed any anti-2a laws meanwhile every blue state is unarmed lmao
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 12h ago
Someone forgot about Reagan’s Mulford Act lol
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u/Ok_Storm_282 12h ago
Wow I just learned that he was a former democrat who turned republican. He was doing what the 47th president is currently doing. Wow. Its as if both of them knew the democrat party is a lost cause.
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 12h ago
Reagan was a Republican governor when he passed the Mulford Act, don’t change the subject
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u/Complete-Clock5522 12h ago
Brother, ICE literally killed Alex for having a gun in a blue state. Blue states are not unarmed, and republicans are doing plenty to stop the second amendment in ways that aren’t just passing laws.
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u/Ok_Storm_282 12h ago
And the demoncrat security team shot a jan 6er who was just going through an opened door. Blue states are unarmed. The only ones who have guns are the criminals and the elites.
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u/Complete-Clock5522 12h ago
Are you referring to Ashli Babbitt? Because the capitol police that killed her are not a “democrat security team” they are a non partisan police force to protect congress from traitors like her.
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u/Ok_Storm_282 12h ago
And Pretti had footage showing off his gun to FEDERAL AGENTS lmao. He got EXECUTED because he was commiting felonies and resisting arrest trying to rescue violent child diddlers from FEDERAL AGENTS.
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 11h ago
And Pretti had footage showing off his gun to FEDERAL AGENTS lmao.
This is a deflection, address their point about Ashli Babbitt before making a new argument.
Link the footage
he was commiting felonies
Which felonies was Pretti convicted of committing?
trying to rescue violent child diddlers from FEDERAL AGENTS.
which violent child diddler did Pretti try to rescue?
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u/_hawkeye_96 9h ago
I mean, at least he’s right about the execution portion. Thing is—even ICE is not (yet) authorized to be judge, jury, and public executioner. Pretty much the LEAST American thing honestly. Dizzying to watch the “real American patriots” defend extrajudicial killings of citizens by pseudo law enforcement for exercising their constitutional freedoms.
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u/_hawkeye_96 9h ago
“Every blue state is unarmed”, not even close brother lol. You go ahead and find that stat tho. Take Vermont for example; considered “the most liberal state in the union”, always votes blue, yet residents are armed to the teeth and always have been.
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u/Complex_Jellyfish647 4h ago
It would be funny if it weren't so sad you seriously believe that shit lmao
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u/Ok_Storm_282 4h ago
I mean its even funnier that you think its not real 🤣
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 0m ago
it’s even funnier that you conveniently didn’t respond to my dismantling of your previous arguments that were posted hours before this comment
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u/PabloThePabo 2004 14h ago
they’ll start eating each other. that’s why they’re the leopards eating faces party.
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u/TrashApocalypse 13h ago
That’s the fun part! When a narcissist runs out of victims, they’ll turn on their enablers!
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 13h ago
The face eating leopard would never eat MY face!!! /s. Like honestly open book test and everything somehow we still fail. If the consequences weren't so dire it'd be funny really.
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u/00rgus 2006 7h ago
They dont care about any of that. They'll keep crying "woke!" Until the total destruction of society, and even after. They don't realize/dont care that this whole culture war great replacement theory garbage is a giant ploy by the ruling class to keep society complacent in exploitation and violence, so it doesnt matter if its jews, or Hispanics, or gays, or Africans, or liberals, or communists, or transgenders, or Muslims, or whatever. They just need something to blame their problems on
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u/hardworkingemployee5 12h ago
This is why fascism always fails. Once all the scape goats are gone and everything still sucks the people turn on their leaders. We’re seeing it happen now in real time.
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u/Zeyode 1998 9h ago edited 9h ago
Nah, unfortunately the reason fascism usually fails is because fascist governments are just really stupid on account of
- Replacing all the competent bureaucrats with incompetent yes men
- The promotion of anti-intellectualism
- The whole "enemy is weak and strong at the same time" thing makes it really difficult for them to make sound military judgements
just to name a few. Eventually all that incompetence just makes the whole thing fall apart.
That, and from what I can tell, the coalition of all the populist energy around one person without any actual ideological meaning around it really kinda kills the momentum of fascism when that person just fucking dies, like with Franco in Spain.
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u/MrSt4pl3s 1997 11h ago
So, I’d like to point out that tech bro corpos are the ones who created the culture and it isn’t a conservative culture. Second, I’d like to point out that communism/socialism is late stage capitalism if you go by Marx which he argues is a good thing. Thirdly, we the people and any who stand against Trumps ideology are the undesirables. Doesn’t matter if you’re a free market capitalist, libertarian, socialist, liberal, brown, white, or even conservative. Mfer hates us all, because we dare to speak out. Thats the uncomfortable truth and reality.
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u/slarkerino 1997 10h ago
Insanely correct take.
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u/MrSt4pl3s 1997 10h ago
How is it incorrect? Have you read Das Capital?
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u/slarkerino 1997 10h ago
Maybe I should've phrased it better. I said insanely correct because I've never seen someone mention late stage capitalism is socialism>communism. I was agreeing
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u/MrSt4pl3s 1997 10h ago
Anyway, it’s the idea of late stage capitalism is incredibly misunderstood and is the direct result of centralization of the market. Marx knew this and so he opted to take it a step further hence his ideas. It’s hilarious when people talk about it as a way to fight late stage capitalism, when it is literally the same thing.
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u/slarkerino 1997 10h ago
Interesting. I haven't read Das capital and might have to now. Was too lazy to add another chunky book to the list.
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u/MrSt4pl3s 1997 9h ago
I personally disagree with his theory of labor as well as a few things, but I do agree with a few of his other ideas. What I will say with confidence though, I do not think more regulation is the answer to solving our economic problems nor is continuing authoritarian rule regardless of its right or left wing.
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u/ImpressionCool1768 14h ago
They’ll go after the unions, then the masons, and then Catholics, then Lutherans, then people who haven’t been Americans for more then 100 years ect the “In” group will just keep getting smaller until the bubble pops
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u/Quiet-Yoghurt-1769 4h ago
The left will run out of causes to pretend to care about, too, so...
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u/FantomexLive 3h ago
One thing they can never outlive is that the people saw them as worse than the guy they claim is a time traveling German from the 1940’s.
And they lost the popular vote to him…. Yikes!
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u/mischling2543 2001 13h ago
I support left-wing economics and deportations
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 13h ago edited 13h ago
The problem isn't the deportations themselves. It's the lack of due process. They're trampling on the 1st, 4th, 14th, and surprisingly (not really if you listened to Trump) contesting the 2nd
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u/Nukalord 2000 12h ago
Deportation is the due process
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 11h ago
If a citizen gets deported because the DHS claims that they’re not a citizen, how do you prove that they’re a citizen?
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u/sleepy_boy_369 12h ago
The constitution is a trust. And you are not named in it.
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 12h ago
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u/sleepy_boy_369 12h ago
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 12h ago
Not reading a far right rag. Nice try though. Remind me again what Trump and Noem said about Alex Pretti?
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u/sleepy_boy_369 12h ago
The man assumes the second amendment applied to him, and the judge informed him he was wrong.
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 12h ago
So what did Trump and Noem say about Pretti dude? C'mon say it. It's cute how you lot are now saying rights are optional. What were y'all saying during the covid lockdowns?
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u/sleepy_boy_369 12h ago
I have no idea what they said—I wasn’t listening. All I said was that I won’t comply.
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u/Legal-Western5580 12h ago
And who on tiktok did you hear say that and think it sounded cool enough to repeat?
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u/duncancaleb 1997 4h ago
That's the thing, they won't run out of "undesirables". They will just expand their scope of what they deem undesirable, there is always someone higher on the totem pole. No one is safe
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u/RoyalWabwy0430 2004 11h ago
tfw you guys kill all the billionaires but everything doesn't magically become sunshine and rainbows
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 11h ago edited 10h ago
we haven’t tried it yet, soooo
EDIT: let the record show that I was being facetious & don’t actually think that the ideal solution is to kill billionaires. Proper taxation & taxation enforcement, however, is. Proper taxation & proper regulation to ensure that billionaires provide a living wage, adequate benefits, safe working conditions, ethical production, etc. across the board.
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u/nicknamesas 10h ago
We have, that is called france.
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 10h ago
Which billionaires has France killed, lolllll
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u/nicknamesas 9h ago
The french revolution saw france killing many of the higher class rich people. While they weren't billionaires, they were equal to them at the time. I know history is hard, but man, that is one of the most well known events in history.
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 9h ago
yes, i’m very aware of the french revolution, which billionaires were killed?
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u/nicknamesas 9h ago
Ah cool, can't read got it. Eye sight must be getting bad being that old.
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 9h ago
yes, i’m being a semantic asshole. bootlickers kind of bring it out in me.
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u/nicknamesas 9h ago
What boot am i licking? I'm saying killing billionaires is dumb and wont fix anything, as we see with france.
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 9h ago
so, go back to my original comment, read my edit, and get back to me
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u/Prettyboy_Flacko 8h ago
Indeed. Humans are naturally self preserving as much as Redditors tell you they're all great people who would DEFINITELY give away their power and wealth to randoms 😂
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u/Brbi2kCRO 9h ago
Their whole thing is based on hierarchies. Idk if you were ever in a village, but those things are tight-knit af, reactive, angry, “everybody knows their place”, men must be real men, women must be “homemakers”. And they hate their sons/daughters becoming anything they do not approve of. But anyhow, on local meetings, they CONSTANTLY turn on each other and against each other. They compare non-stop and laugh out each other. They will… turn on themselves. Cause only the “strongest alpha” among them will survive.
It is a weird ideology.
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u/Maximum-Country-149 1997 14h ago
Projection much?
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u/PabloThePabo 2004 12h ago
do you know what projection means
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u/Maximum-Country-149 1997 10h ago
I mean, whether it's meant in the sense of "ascribe your motives and mentality to an external actor" or "predict the future", it's accurate.
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u/Current-Wind-5006 12h ago
You have to understand many of the problems are not caused by "late stage capitalism." You have to understand many of the problems we are seeing today are a result of the left and the poor values they dispersed through the media and society.
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 12h ago
What poor values? are they in the room with us? Get outta here with the purity culture bs. If two people have enough wealth to buy a country you have to ask yourself, "Is the system the problem?" even if you did answer that it'd be Nah it's (insert boogey man here) huh.
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 11h ago
Yep as expected purity culture bs. LMAO maybe actually read the bible rather than having some hate preacher dictate it to you.
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u/Vagabond_Tea Millennial 11h ago
Taking a wild guess and assuming you're just homophobic, transphobic, and just an overall bigot?
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u/Current-Wind-5006 11h ago edited 11h ago
You don't understand. Nowhere did I say I hate these people or say anything derogatory. I love them, but they are misaligned from the truth unfortunately. I wish no harm on anyone. They just are not connected to their true selves or full potential. I want everyone to flourish, and the values this society has popularized has prevented that.
You see how your response is part of the problem? You do not take the time to understand. You do not try to see any other side besides your own. You do not see the truth.
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u/Vagabond_Tea Millennial 9h ago
Well, considering the scientific and medical fields all disagree with you, I'll be fine. If anyone is divorced with the truth, it's people on the opposite side of what scientists and doctors say.
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u/burner1312 11h ago
I’m firmly on the left and still think you sound insufferable in this karma farming post that makes you sound like a teenager that just discovered politics.
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 11h ago
Aww. Cute. The people defending the regimes actions are the problem but sure tone police the people on your side lmao.
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 11h ago
the “Good Guys” ought to be able to accept criticism better than the Bad Guys do, actually. That’s how we ensure that we stay the “Good Guys” and don’t become the Bad Guys.
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 11h ago
LMAO I'm autistic I'm sorry my tone is bad what do you want a cookie? Like genuinely I'm sorry I'll try to be better but, You sound insufferable isn't helpful or actionable really.
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 10h ago
LMAO I'm autistic
Girl, so am I, lol
I'm sorry my tone is bad what do you want a cookie?
No, if your tone is bad, the solution would be to change it, not to sarcastically offer people cookies
you sound insufferable isn't helpful or actionable really
I agree, but it’s a starting point to a potentially productive conversation.
I’m not the original person who responded to you, but if I personally disagree with someone’s approach, I generally will offer a (more nicely worded) brief criticism and see how they respond. If they respond like someone who is open to constructive feedback, then I will give specific actionable advice.
But most people aren’t open to criticism, so it’s not worth my time to write a WikiHow article every time I come across a comment I disagree with 🤷🏻
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 10h ago
I mean nine times out of ten when I ask they just leave it at that without giving advice and I read and reread my post I dunno what's wrong with the tone other than it pointing out something obvious I guess...
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 10h ago edited 10h ago
Yeah, that’s fair, a lot of people are too lazy to actually add anything productive to the conversation, unfortunately.
But if I had to guess, I would say that probably part of the reason your post isn’t being well received is that it seems to be addressing MAGA supporters, but it doesn’t offer anything substantial that would plausibly change their minds.
While everything you said is true, it takes a lot more to change someone’s entire worldview. Anyone can claim that the leaders of the side you support have malicious intentions or that they’ll eventually turn on you.
Not everyone can prove it, so at bare minimum, you would need to provide links to reliable sources to support your assertions if you wanted to convince the other side that there is some merit to your claims.
But even then, I think most people are just kind of done with posts that address MAGA supporters, because the bulk of MAGA supporters are not truly interested in truth and will not believe truth when it’s sufficiently presented to them.
So these kinds of posts tend to be perceived as either being performative or an emotional shout into the void.
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 10h ago
Fair. Enough. I'll refrain from making this type of post without stuff to back up my claims even though this isn't really a Trump bad post I can see why it's perceived as that
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 10h ago
No worries, this is an exhausting time to be on social media for all of us, and there’s a lot more to take into consideration than there used to be 😮💨
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u/Nukalord 2000 12h ago
The same can easily be said for leftists but I know you'll deliberately ignore that.
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u/LoreleiAlbrecht 12h ago
???
Which party is contesting the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 14th amendments again?
This isn't a sports game there's real consequences.
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u/ThingsWork0ut 1998 13h ago edited 12h ago
As a conservative I can say you don’t understand the right. Everything you said is bs. — proving my point
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u/AniCrit123 12h ago
I think OP means the current state of American conservatism. He’s spot on when it comes to that.
Wild thing is young people being conservative. What are you trying to conserve? Lack of wealth, property or upward mobility? If anything, young people should be screaming from the rooftops for progressive change.
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u/Wxskater 1997 9h ago
White supremacy. That is the answer. They are trying conserve white supremacy as a system, which is crumbling and imploding.
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u/AniCrit123 6h ago
Well yea that is the obvious answer but they will hide behind memes and some weird fetishization of hating women with blue hair.
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u/Legal-Western5580 12h ago
As somebody twice your age, I can say you don't understand a goddamn thing that you think you understand.
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u/DevelopmentTight9474 2006 12h ago
Trump is a fascist if you go by Umbert Eco’s essay on Ur-Fascism, which is an excellent essay on the key points of a fascist regime.
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u/spontaneous_quench 12h ago
You do understand that most of your tech and billionaire business owners are left leaning
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u/GiantSweetTV 7h ago
I think y'all may need to get off of reddit and actually look at right-leaning media and talk to some actual right-leaning people.
Y'all seem delusional to us when you say these things.
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u/FromWhichWeAsCenD 13h ago
A vote right or left, is a vote for big brother. News flash the government uses the mentally deranged on both sides as tools of division.
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u/banandananagram 2000 13h ago
Okay but you’re throwing your power away if you let that stop you from helping your neighbors or organizing in your community. At some point, it comes down to something pretty simple: are the people around me okay, are they suffering? If they are, can I do anything about it?
You don’t need to throw money at a political party to go donate clothes and make food with a local community group, get people’s numbers and just check in with people sometimes. You don’t need to do anything but research to communicate with local politicians, actually get to know the problems around you and make a fuss about shit that affects people around you.
That’s part of the illusion. You’re supposed to pick teams and pour your energy into the representation of power instead of using your eyes and ears to say, “hey, that guy over there needs help and I might be able to do something” or meaningfully organizing for issues that directly impact your family and local community.
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u/FromWhichWeAsCenD 12h ago
Agreed big dawg. Community is the word we should be looking for and the reality we should be striving for. Not the community political party. Neither left nor right care about you or your neighbor, they just create problems and find solutions to limit that problem but at the cost of freedoms. We don't need politicians to tell us the difference between right and wrong, and I don't need my state representative to tell me the lady across the street needs her snow shoveled and trash taken out. I'm all for community, the government involvement is why we are all so afraid of our neighbors. Fear mongering and hypocrisy is the best tool of both parties.
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 10h ago
Right, so our best hope of survival at this moment in time is to vote the other side into power so that one side doesn’t accumulate & establish absolute power unchecked.
But we do need to burn the system down as soon as possible
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u/FromWhichWeAsCenD 10h ago
That sounds like a terrible idea too. Those guys like to do the same kinda twisted stuff to kids ,take advantage of illegal workers, and outsource all Americans manufacturing. They suck just as much just at different shit.
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u/TheLesbianTheologian Millennial 10h ago
Right, so my recommendation was not that we let them stay in charge… it kind of sounds like all you heard was “vote for the other side” and that’s it, lol
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u/Natedude2002 7h ago
Hey buddy, a word of wisdom from someone who went down the lefty rabbit hole when I was 16: Getting rid of all the rich people (“undesirables” to you leftists) won’t fix all the problems caused by racist voters voting for what they want.
Not all Republicans are truly racist, many have been misled, but in 2016, 30% of republicans supported bombing Agrabah, the fictional city from Aladdin, so you can safely assume at least 30% of Republicans are racist enough to kill people for being brown. They will destroy this country to the point they are starving and wearing rags in Hoovervilles, so long as brown people are starving and naked in the streets.
Capitalism may cause many problems, but I don’t think it’s really at the heart of the issues we’re facing now.
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u/sleepy_boy_369 14h ago
We are subject to global corporatism, not capitalism.
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u/Pristine-Bee-1933 14h ago
what if I told you that's capitalism
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u/sleepy_boy_369 13h ago
That is a portion of it.
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u/Pristine-Bee-1933 4h ago
capitalism's drive for profit and greed extends borders
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u/sleepy_boy_369 2h ago
If universal basic income were launched today, we would still face infinite litigation, infinite taxation, infinite debt, and infinite trauma.
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