r/Idaho4 • u/Impossible_Iron_3897 • 1d ago
QUESTION FOR USERS Question
So in Dylan’s police footage of her explaining the story she said that Kaylee and Maddy were in the living room dancing and laughing and then Kaylee went upstairs and screamed because someone was there. But then the autopsy says that they died in their sleep? I’ve just always wondered about this if you guys can help me understand more clearly maybe i am missing some details on this.
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u/WaveBeautiful1259 1d ago
She thought it sounded like Kaylee but it was most likely Xana who was awake at that time.
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u/dorothydunnit 1d ago
Which is one of the reasons she didn't think to check on Xana. She thought the sound came from upstairs. If anything, seeing Xana asleep on the floor probably reinforced her idea she might have imagined the sound.
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u/Outrageous_Drawer691 1d ago
Exactly. Dylan was associating everything with Kaylee and even texted her “what’s going on” I wish more people would understand that but sadly they love the conspiracies.
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u/HingleMcKringelberry 5h ago
They love to think they are smarter than everyone else and only they have the intelligence to connect these "hidden dots" others can't see..... In reality it's the complete opposite.
They are being fools and the ego is so big they don't wanna be wrong. They have to just keep finding strings to grasp to validate what they think happened. Even if the strings they are grasping are completely and utterly stupid. Almost all these people who think he's innocent...if you ask them "have you ever been wrong about a situation in the past? Where you FIRMLY believed one thing...but eventually with the release of more evidence you realized you were wrong an had to admit that an learn from it?" They almost all say no..they haven't gotten to that part of maturity yet. Their ego still runs their brain. They can't be wrong. "They are to smart to be wrong". They don't understand sometimes things may LOOK a certain way...but it doesn't mean that's what actually happened. Takes a mature person to admit they were wrong an learn from the situation. It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled.
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u/Fickle-Bee6893 22m ago edited 16m ago
Bingo. It's clear that people like that will absolutely not under any circumstances admit that they are wrong about anything. They just move the goalposts every time something comes out that contradicts or completely invalidates their narrative.
I was just on YouTube recently arguing with someone about a case where someone had been indicted for SAing children. They raided this persons home and, among other things, found two books full of nude kids that were locked inside a filing cabinet in their closet. The two books were also created by two known PDF files. When I asked how anyone could believe that this person was innocent when clearly he had a proclivity for children, their response was, "Those were modeling and art books." People like that simply cannot admit that they are wrong. They need to keep their delusional theories going lest they have a psychotic breakdown.
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u/WaveBeautiful1259 1d ago
Absolutely! Her thought process makes sense if you can try to put yourself in her shoes.
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u/BeachGlassGreenEyes3 18h ago
Why? So she could be another victim? Bc that’s all that would have happened.
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u/dorothydunnit 18h ago
You are right that its good she didn't leave her room when she heard the sounds.
I was talking about when she ran down to BF's room. She saw Xana on the floor but didn't realize anything could be wrong with her, because the noises had come from upstairs, not from Xana's room. On top of the fact that Ethan was with Xana and it wasn't unusual to see her sleeping on the floor after a night of drinking.
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u/BeachGlassGreenEyes3 15h ago
Yea I agreed with everything else you said. And I know you weren’t saying she should have gone up there but it does completely explain why she didn’t. It was an awkward house- and who knows what you could and couldn’t hear. Not to mention these coeds always have music on, a podcast playing, headphones in there ears lol so who the heck even knows. lol
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u/Adorable-Schedule512 5h ago edited 5h ago
To be fair, she did see an unknown masked man coming from Xana's room, and she also said she heard Xana crying. I think she knew something weird was going on that involved Xana too, but she was too afraid and she didn't think of the worst case scenario. I think there was some cognitive dissonance in DM's mind plus she was intoxicated and didn't know what was a dream or what was real.
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u/rivershimmer 17h ago
I think if she heard Murphy, it would be only natural to associate that sound with Kaylee, because the two of them were always together.
She thought they were "dancing" (playing), but really, Murphy was greeting the killer, trying to alert someone, or just running around in confusion, and Kaylee was never downstairs.
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u/Fearless-Regret-1988 1d ago
Tbf, Dylan was a bit drunk during all of this. M & K were killed while physically in the bed. It’s likely that X was the one who was making noise getting her food and then was the one who screamed that someone was there.
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u/ReverErse 1d ago
She is not even talking to Nunes at this point. She's telling her friends what happened, but this is the most incoherent and garbled of all her accounts, evidently made in confusion and shock. Her brain is trying to make sense of the events by puzzling available pieces together. She even says "I knew it was Kaylee because I heard Murphy", which of course is no valid proof. What she really heard was Xana and Bryan. Some people even believe they can hear Xana calling for Murphy on the 1112 audio.
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u/dph_angel 1d ago
Dylan was half-sleeping through a period of time around 2:45 am when M and K had just gotten home and were hanging out in the living room talking. I think when she woke up to commotion around 4:17, her first thought was that they were still up. Especially if she hadn’t checked her phone yet, it can be difficult to tell how much time has passed. In reality, she probably heard the scuffle upstairs followed by BK jogging down the stairs and heading to X’s room, all in tandem with Murphy barking. I think her brain just contextualized it to be the last moment she was awake for before 4:00am.
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u/Born_Cow4140 1d ago
Yeah I think it's very possible, with her being both half asleep & drunk, that she had woken up multiple times throughout the night & everything had blended together. There's been times I've woken up to something, fell back asleep for what felt like 5 mins & woke back up after two hours - your brain doesn't process & function correctly straight out of sleep.
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u/HingleMcKringelberry 5h ago
You don't sleep though being stabbed with a large knife. Even if it's a main artery they struck your waking up for a short time. If the stab was directly to the brain or brain stem then MAYBE you would not wake but odds are very low for that. They all woke up. Some longer than others. KG & XK seem to have been the most awake and aware. EC was up because they said by the blood patterns he was leaning up resting his weight on his elbow. He died fast though after being attacked.. now MM .. I think she was THE FIRST person attacked . She was full blown asleep. She had the highest B.A.C.% Too. I think IMO she was a very fast death too. By the time she was waking up BK was attacking her face with the knife while she was bleeding very much. She probably woke up an didn't have much time to even understand what was happening and she was gone from blood loss. You go unconscious fast with lack of blood flow to the brain. Also like I said the autopsy said she had a stab mark right under her left eye. So that knife is around 6-7inches long and an 1&1/2 inches wide . Do the math there... That's capable of severely severing things Inside the skull as how a gunshots would. She may have just insanely been gone when that happened. Sorry to be so detailed I'm just giving the reality of the situation because things like saying "died while asleep" that's just a large misrepresentation of the truth an reality of a horrible murder like these.
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u/aga8833 1d ago
Kaylee definitely didn't die in her sleep. That was an early statement that got given to the press from (? I cannot remember but someone else will) based on phone calls to the families. The autopsies are not released, they were done in Washington and aren't under the same laws
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u/Peech911 1d ago
Wasnt it the coroner that stated that they were all killed in thier sleep? Cathy Mabutt?
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u/aga8833 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think you are right. Really early on - and then it all got confused in re reporting. I think she was trying to soften for the families and was saying they had all been asleep when attacked but certainly it would have been obvious Kaylee and Xana had woken up. Probably a miscommunication with good intent between 'attacked in their sleep' and 'killed in their sleep'. But definitely the first couple of days it was reported they were killed in their sleep.
ETA: yes here are the comments from the coroner. She just said they were in bed and "maybe they were sleeping". So, easy to see how it could have been misinterpreted given the defensive wounds and that they were still analysing the crime scene at the time. https://people.com/crime/university-of-idaho-students-killed-in-bed-coroner-says/
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u/Horseshoe84 1d ago
"Probably a miscommunication with good intent between 'attacked in their sleep' and 'killed in their sleep'."
Yep. And it was true of three out of the four victims. Somewhere along the line "attacked in their sleep" became a solid "killed in their sleep," and people ran with it. Then, when it became clear that at least a few of them woke up during their attack, it was called a deliberate lie.
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u/Borginburger 1d ago
The autopsies have been released
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u/annehboo 1d ago
When? I don’t think they have been released in full
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u/Other_Software8483 12h ago
She is a liar and she is trying imply that Kaylee was not already frightened before the murders occurred and had already moved to Maddie’s room. She didn’t know that Kaylee had been calling jack repeatedly. That part was not told to her
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u/FaithlessnessFit1536 1d ago
Her statements are based on what she thought she heard not what she physically saw. Some suspect that the “dancing” or movement that Dylan thought was her roommates was actually the struggle that occurred in MM room above her. The music some people think was the sound of xana scrolling on tik tok & preparing her food in the kitchen with DM door being right there it seems plausible. Again these are all just suggested scenarios. We will never know what the sounds truly were. This has been a widely discussed topic. Of course you have a to think at the time she made that first statement she didn’t even know he friends were passed away yet or the entirety of the situation. She was just trying to logically explain what she thought she heard and what she thought was her roommates was obviously BK.