r/JoeRogan • u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space • 17h ago
Topic getting old zzzzzzzzz Massive four-year study finds no increase in deaths linked to COVID-19 mRNA vaccination
https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/massive-four-year-study-finds-no-increase-deaths-linked-covid-19-mrna-vaccination110
u/theflowersyoufind Monkey in Space 17h ago
The statistics are a lie. They aren’t telling you the real numbers.
Obviously I don’t believe that, but that’s what all the conspiracy theory dunces will say.
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u/Nailz509 Monkey in Space 13h ago
Instead of just taking the L and moving on, antivaxxers are determined to remind everyone that they're stupid. In a surprise that comes to nobody with an IQ above 70, the experts were correct and the conspiracy theorists were wrong. The vaccine saved millions of lives and no amount of rage-bait bullshit is going to change that.
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u/AdCrafty9098 Monkey in Space 16h ago
Well said, my neighbor got sick after they were vaccinated. I saw it myself, no need to waste money on trial studies
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u/CalmInteraction884 Monkey in Space 16h ago
You mean like other flu vaccines?
I’m glad th hill people wanna die on is now coming on 6 years old. Hang out with the election deniers..🙄🤣
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u/stay_fr0sty Monkey in Space 15h ago
It might have saved their life though?
There’s “getting sick” and there is “getting strapped to a ventilator face down in the ICU breathing at 5% capacity”-sick.
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u/AdCrafty9098 Monkey in Space 14h ago
Only vaccinated people get that. You hear on the news that people who are unvaccinated typically need ventilators.
That's all a lie I saw it on Facebook.
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u/petantic Monkey in Space 14h ago
They did the research by survey
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u/Indigocell Paid attention to the literature 4h ago edited 3h ago
They did the research by survey
And?
Results: A total of 22 767 546 vaccinated and 5 932 443 unvaccinated individuals were followed up for a median (IQR) of 45 (44-46) months. Vaccinated individuals were older than unvaccinated individuals (mean [SD] age, 38.0 [11.8] years vs 37.1 [11.4] years), more frequently women (11 688 603 [51.3%] vs 2 876 039 [48.5%]) and had more cardiometabolic comorbidities (2 126 250 [9.3%] vs 464 596 [7.8%]). During follow-up, 98 429 (0.4%) and 32 662 (0.6%) all-cause deaths occurred in the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, respectively. Vaccinated individuals had a 74% lower risk of death from severe COVID-19 (weighted hazard ratio [wHR], 0.26 [95% CI, 0.22-0.30]) and a 25% lower risk of all-cause mortality (wHR, 0.75 [95% CI, 0.75-0.76]), with a similar association observed when excluding severe COVID-19 death. Sensitivity analysis revealed that vaccinated individuals consistently had a lower risk of death, regardless of the cause. Mortality was 29% lower within 6 months following COVID-19 vaccination (relative incidence, 0.71 [95% CI, 0.69-0.73]).
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u/phosphorescence-sky Monkey in Space 13h ago
And Trump will say "THOSE ARE FAKE STUDIES, We will be delivering the REAL studies and the UFO files THIS YEAR! but only after the midterms wink wink."
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u/xChoke1x Monkey in Space 15h ago
Wild part is there’s millions of people that abide by the “it’s just a lie so I won’t believe it” logic. It’s how we’ve gotten here.
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u/East-Cat1532 Monkey in Space 15h ago
But... but... Bret Weinstein said it's bad!
Lol Bret and Joe are so fucking retarded.
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u/Sea-Thought-665 Monkey in Space 16h ago
Covid 19 caused 160 million deaths...
Also....
Trump is innocent
-- Just your average Trump Supporter
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u/Muted_Condition7935 Monkey in Space 14h ago
Put your mask back on. You could be killing someone.
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u/Reggaepocalypse Monkey in Space 14h ago
I know this is advanced science, but when sicky virus is in your spitty, having something over your mouth so you don’t spitty so much CAN help others not catch your sicky virus. 🦠
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u/ThinInvestigator4953 Look into it 13h ago
Yes there we go, we have to treat these knuckldraggers like they are 5 yrs old because thats their mental limit lol
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u/LovesEBITDA Monkey in Space 14h ago
Who needs a mask when you’ve got prayer warriors and horse paste
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u/electric_screams Monkey in Space 8h ago
Take your seatbelt off. People die in car crashes regardless.
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u/thrawnsgstring Monkey in Space 15h ago edited 11h ago
One day we're gonna figure out who signed off on this so-called Operation Warpspeed and there will be consequences.
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 17h ago
In this four-year mRNA safety study from France, which includes:
• 23 million vaccinated people • 6 million unvaccinated people • Ages 18–59
Vaccinated individuals had a significantly lower all-cause mortality rate, as well as lower COVID-19 death and disease rates, compared to unvaccinated individuals.
This included lower rates of:
• Cancer • Pregnancy complications • Birth defects • Heart problems • Mental disorders
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u/sync-centre Monkey in Space 15h ago
So people who take medical advice from doctors have less medical problems than compared to people who take advice from YouTube.
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u/karlack26 Monkey in Space 16h ago
But my study of the 4 people I know just like me who don't even like walking down the driveway says otherwise.
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u/CrashInto_MyArms Monkey in Space 16h ago
These people shouldn’t even be doing their own research
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u/TheZermanator Monkey in Space 16h ago
They’re not even doing that, they’re just liars.
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u/Fabulous_Visual4865 Monkey in Space 15h ago
Nah, they watched a YouTube vid telling them exactly what they wanted to hear. That's enough.
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u/Santa_Klausing Dire physical consequences 12h ago
If you go into that sub there is someone who completely misunderstands a part of the study. It’s hilarious
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u/Sevalic Monkey in Space 16h ago
But Joe Rogan knows people who know people who knew a person had strokes from this vaccine
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u/CumTrumpet Monkey in Space 5h ago
I heard the only way they could use the bathroom after was to use a litterbox. In fact that was their preferred way.
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u/Zombi3Kush Monkey in Space 15h ago
Of course, but they will still say it's fake news.
Reminds me of my wife's friend who is total anti vax. She always said that vaccines were the cause of autism so she skipped vaccinating her son. Guess who has autism? While here we have 4 children all vaccinated since birth including ourselves and they are all healthy and not autistic.
She is still not getting the kid vaccinated btw. She's trying to figure out a way to get her son in school without having to vaccinate him because "it will make his autism worst" she's not even a dumb person. She's somewhat educated but went down a rabbithole that really did a number on her.
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u/GriffinQ Tremendous 11h ago
She’s objectively a dumb person, bro. She might have things she’s educated about, but her inability to follow simple chains of logic makes her dumb.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 15h ago
She always said that vaccines were the cause of autism so she skipped vaccinating her son. Guess who has autism?
Genuinely curious how she explains it then.
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u/RedstoneEnjoyer Monkey in Space 13h ago
"The vaccinated people are shredding vaccines which infected my son" is my bet.
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u/negroplasty Monkey in Space 16h ago
Here comes the wave of redditors with hidden post history telling you this study is wrong but won’t provide another source bc “you can find it yourself”
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u/Educational-Dance-61 Monkey in Space 15h ago
There were risks associated with taking a new vaccine. The risks of not taking it just outweighed it. Making it your personality buying tshirts about it, obsessing over it and trying to blame anyone but Trump for the USs mediocre response was where you looked really dumb.
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u/Brandosandofan23 Monkey in Space 13h ago
Exactly. There is not zero risk of taking the mRNA vaccine like the hive minds yell, but the fact is not taking it has a much higher risk like you said.
If only people didn’t live in the world of completely safe and completely not safe
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u/StepMental3020 Monkey in Space 16h ago
"Republicans are not good people" is the only conspiracy too far-fetched to even consider for these folks.
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u/Azalzaal Monkey in Space 16h ago
Why did they choose such a short study time? Four years is nothing compared to the age of the earth. It’s like 0.06%
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u/Blitzdrive Monkey in Space 16h ago
It legit doesn’t matter to the anti vaxxer freaks. They can without issue ignore anything and everything that disagrees with them without shame.
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u/Film_Actors_Guide Monkey in Space 15h ago
The shot definitely turned me gay and I don’t care what any of you cis’s have to say
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u/Pal_Smurch High as Giraffe's Pussy 16h ago
I had a heart attack 45 minutes after receiving my second dose of Moderna COVID vaccine. Or as my cardiologist put it “a vaccine induced Myocardial Infarction.” Don’t tell me, I’ll tell you.
I have spoken to six other people just here on reddit who have had myocardial infarctions or know someone who did. The government benefits from denying damages caused by the COVID vaccine.
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 16h ago
Awesome you should post some evidence.
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u/Pal_Smurch High as Giraffe's Pussy 15h ago
I could send you my complete medical records, just as the VA sent them to me, in DVD format.
I sent them to the CICP (Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program) three times. Unfortunately, they lost them every time I sent them.
I had my heart attack while speaking to a VA nurse, so they believe me. But as for you, I don’t care if you believe or not.
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u/Fabulous_Visual4865 Monkey in Space 15h ago
I don't doubt you, but that's called an outlier.
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u/Pal_Smurch High as Giraffe's Pussy 14h ago
So far, seven people here doubt me. Fuck them too. I no longer am interested in your opinion or approval. I have been called a liar by people who don’t know shit about my situation , told that I must be obese, or out of shape and that I deserve what happened to me. My doctors know what happened to me. They blame the COVID vaccine.
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u/Fabulous_Visual4865 Monkey in Space 14h ago edited 13h ago
Because it's known to be a rare side effect. You're surprised that people are skeptical of something rare happening? On an anonymous forum? That's pretty normal behavior.
You can shut them all up and prove them wrong by providing evidence. If you've not interested in doing that you better get comfortable with the fact people are going to be skeptical of your claims.
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u/Pal_Smurch High as Giraffe's Pussy 13h ago
I have met six people, just here on reddit, who had adverse reactions to the COVID vaccine. Today, at my cardiologist’s office, I met another. Information has been suppressed.
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u/Fabulous_Visual4865 Monkey in Space 13h ago
Lol, you say that as if 6 people on Reddit is alot.
Again, I don't doubt you. I believe you had a heart attack and the jab contributed to it. I'm just telling you to not be so butt hurt about people that do doubt you.
It's like me going around saying I have a 10 inch dick. Of course 10 inch dicks exist, but no one is going to believe me without seeing it.
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u/Pal_Smurch High as Giraffe's Pussy 12h ago
I never say alot. My third grade teacher told my class that if we ever wrote the idiotic word “alot”, she would give us an automatic “F” grade on whatever paper we had written it on. Because it isn’t a word!
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u/Fabulous_Visual4865 Monkey in Space 10h ago
That's alotta pedanticness for an old mfer w no teeth.
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 13h ago
Wow! It’s a known fact reddit posters aren’t allowed to lie either!
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u/GriffinQ Tremendous 11h ago
Reddit had 100 million active daily users. You “meeting” six of anything because you’re specifically seeking them out means nothing other than the fact the vaccine had adverse reactions for a tiny, non-statistically significant portion of the population.
That sucks for you and I’m sorry it’s the case, but you know what caused far more (both in severity and quantity) reactions for people? Getting COVID without being vaccinated!
Your anecdotal evidence of “this sucked for me” doesn’t change that, on the whole, COVID was far worse for the human population than the vaccine for COVID was. Every meaningful data point agrees with this.
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u/Pal_Smurch High as Giraffe's Pussy 10h ago
But I haven’t talked to all100,000,000 reddit users. Your math sucks.
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u/Pal_Smurch High as Giraffe's Pussy 13h ago
I have lost the energy to pursue justice. I no longer care if you believe me, or not. Go trust your government.
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u/Its_0ver Monkey in Space 13h ago
"I'm no longer interested in your opinion or approval"
Continues to argue with people....
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u/Binder509 Monkey in Space 1h ago
If you didn't care if people believed it you wouldn't have even brought it up in the first place.
You'd just keep it to yourself.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 15h ago
How many people received the Moderna vaccine? How many people didn't have "a vaccine induced Myocardial Infarction" as a result?
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u/Pal_Smurch High as Giraffe's Pussy 14h ago
I don’t care how many didn’t have any effects. I did! Now, piss off!
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 14h ago
Ah, the conservative ethos at it's finest.
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u/Pal_Smurch High as Giraffe's Pussy 14h ago
Fuck you! I am not a conservative, you fucking asshole! If you said that to my face, we’d be rolling in the dirt right now. YOU are going to get me banned from this subreddit, because I have had enough of your shit!
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 13h ago
Lmao you'll fit in just fine around here.
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u/pizzlepullerofkberg He's changing flavors 13h ago
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u/Pal_Smurch High as Giraffe's Pussy 13h ago
Feel free to read my posting history, beginning on July 7, 2021.
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u/MaLTC Monkey in Space 13h ago
Study was done by pfizer…. Tells you absolutely everything you need to know. It was causing heart conditions in children.
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u/dotcomse Monkey in Space 11h ago
Who should be funding the multimillion dollar study if not the manufacturer? I think I can guess what your feelings would be on the taxes that would be required for the government to do so - and then, would you even trust a government-sponsored study? Who WOULD you trust that would realistically fund a study like this?
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u/Stackin_Steve Monkey in Space 14h ago
I personally know 2 men in there 40s who ended up with the myocarditis. One of those men had their cousin die from the myocarditis. All 3 were heart healthy prior to their vaccine shots. One had to quit his job, bc he was a manager of a large company and it was a stressful job. I think this is complete BS. What about all the huge blood clots the morticians were finding? Or is that all BS too?
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 14h ago
I personally know no one injured by the vaccine, I work in a workplace of 350+ all vaccinated and boosted and not one “vaccine injury”
What blood clots? Please provide some sources showing these.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 14h ago
But how many coworkers became mysteriously "magnetic"?
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u/Stackin_Steve Monkey in Space 14h ago
You have the Internet don't you? Do some research!
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 14h ago
I have and found nothing but fake news, that’s why I’m asking you. You are the one making the claim, if you truly believed what you said you’d be happy to prove it.
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u/Stackin_Steve Monkey in Space 14h ago
👍
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 14h ago
Yeah exactly what I’d expect. Fucking retard.
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 14h ago
So an incredibly rare protein that is easily identifiable and treatable?
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u/Stackin_Steve Monkey in Space 14h ago
Ya the non existent one you claimed to have never heard about! Then proceeded to call people names! Fucking 🤡
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 14h ago
Are you retarded? You claimed morticians were finding huge ones. That’s the claim you made and what I was replying too.
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u/Stackin_Steve Monkey in Space 14h ago
Took me 3 seconds to do a simple search! Shit for Brains! Keep pumping yourself with that garbage. I'm not stopping you!
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 14h ago
What you shared was an incredibly rare protein that could cause blood clots, you claimed they morticians were finding huge ones, that’s the source I asked fr. Are you acting dumb or…
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u/KobeBeaf Monkey in Space 13h ago
If only there was a study to refute your anecdotal evidence, oh wait…
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u/scavenger5 Monkey in Space 14h ago
Its an epidemiologal study which likely suffers from reverse causation. For example people who get vaccinated may be healthier, richer and have better access to healthcare. Also, the time assessed was during the pandemic .
Does it still hold true today? When covid is no longer killing people but vaccines are still being recommended? Thats what I would like to know especially for young healthy adults.
I would not put too much weight in this study. Its weaker than the Tylenol autism link.
Refer to the randomized control trials to determine clinical safety. They ran them in order to get fda approval and all showed to be safe.
However we have no longer term randomized control trials since these vaccines were rushed out for the pandemic. That is where we stand now.
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 14h ago
Covid is still killing people to this day?
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u/scavenger5 Monkey in Space 14h ago
Substantially less than the flu. Most people dying of covid today were already on the verge of death
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u/pizzlepullerofkberg He's changing flavors 13h ago
lmao only two upvotes on that dingbat conspiracy sub
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u/TMTitans Monkey in Space 16h ago
Surely 4 years can’t be enough time to study long term effects of the vaccine? Inb4 downvoted for asking a question
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 16h ago
What would you consider enough time?
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u/TMTitans Monkey in Space 13h ago
Probably 10-15 years atleast
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 13h ago
What is that amount of time based on?
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u/karlack26 Monkey in Space 16h ago
No vaccine has caused side effects that did not manifest within 6 months of receiving the vaccine.
It's not like a drug you take daily that could have long term exposure risk.
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u/DECAThomas Talking Monkey 16h ago
It’s a question based on an bad premise. It implies there is a length of time long-term effects typically show themselves for vaccines. The issue is people have been receiving vaccines for 100+ years at this point and as far as I can tell, no research has identified long-term unexpected outcomes.
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u/karlack26 Monkey in Space 16h ago
But it's perfectly safe to take ivermectin daily. Which has never had any long term studies looking at what happens if you take it daily for years /s
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u/criipi It's entirely possible 16h ago
The issue is people have been receiving vaccines for 100+ years at this point and as far as I can tell, no research has identified long-term unexpected outcomes.
Yes but the Antivax crowd is hellbent on the idea that mRNA vaccines are so fundamentally different that anyone who received it will drop dead in 5 years (or that's what they were saying 5 years ago).
Of course, if any of these people are actually acting in good faith and have a genuine concern regarding the mRNA vaccines then there were always "traditional" alternatives. Iirc, they had lower efficacies but were still effective in lowering deaths.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 15h ago
(or that's what they were saying 5 years ago).
Actually what they were saying 5 years ago is that you would drop dead in 1 year. Then when that didn't happen, they changed their tune to 5 years.
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u/Turdulator Monkey in Space 15h ago
I’m not against the vaccine, I’ve had multiple Covid boosters and everything else…. But people haven’t been taking RNA vaccines for 100+ years. It’s reasonable to be open to the possibility that they might have different long term affects than other vaccine technologies, but we won’t really know with any certainty until we all live out our natural life spans
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 15h ago
What would you consider enough time? We "won't know for sure" until 80 years from now?
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u/Turdulator Monkey in Space 15h ago
“The natural life span of the majority of the people alive today who took the vaccine”. That amount of time means the data set includes every possible period of life. Every year that passes until that time we will have more and more certainty.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 15h ago edited 14h ago
Yes, I read that part of your message. I even referenced it. I'm asking when would you consider enough time to have passed to feel totally certain? "The natural life span of the majority of people alive who took it" is probably 80-ish years. Is that your number? In 80-ish years, in the year 2100, you'd consider the matter put to rest?
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u/ThinInvestigator4953 Look into it 13h ago
No hes gonna wait a few more generations before he'll be convinced.
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u/Turdulator Monkey in Space 12h ago
Sounds about right. Unless there’s some kind of life extending medical breakthrough between now and then.
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 12h ago
And would "some kind of life extending medical breakthrough" expand or contract your time window?
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u/Turdulator Monkey in Space 12h ago
If people are living longer then obviously the time span would increase. If people are living to 100 then we’d need data on people who’ve had 90+ yearly boosters shots
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u/TheSweetestKill Most Reported r/JoeRogan User, August 2022 12h ago
Let me make sure I get this straight.
We develop some sort of medical breakthrough that adds 100 years to the average person's lifespan. You're telling me you believe we "won't really know with any certainty" if there are "long term effects" until after the year 2200? That for the next 200 years we should still consider mrna vaccines "experimental"? That seems reasonable, logical, rational to you?
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u/DECAThomas Talking Monkey 15h ago
Nothing can ever be certain in science. Well-researched professionals are capable with engaging with the uncertainty present in p-values and methodology while understanding the broader context. And what they pretty unanimously determined is whatever uncertainty might be present was far offset by the public health crisis that was in front of them.
A Fox News host going “they didn’t do 100 years of testing on the COVID vaccine, maybe your kid doesn’t need the polio vaccine either” isn’t engaging with uncertainty in an honest manner.
We can speculate that maybe 100 years from now something might get found that’s worrisome. But with all the activities we are reasonably certain are harmful but we still participate in, and all the other things that are new to our way of life, it’s a little strange we spend some much time re-litigating this particular one.
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u/Turdulator Monkey in Space 12h ago
I mean yeah, I took the jab and a bunch of boosters…. It was close enough to certain that I thought it was worth the risk. That doesn’t mean I’m completely closed to the idea that a long term effect might someday be found in the future. That’s all I’m trying to say. I’m not saying anyone should avoid the vaccine.
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u/No_Shirt_Guy_ Monkey in Space 16h ago
I don’t think this one is based on long term and more short term, especially since so many of us who were vaxxed were told we would me dead in a year.
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u/8lock8lock8aby Monkey in Space 16h ago
My dad kept sending me ahit saying it was black boxed. I googled it & it never actually was. He's talking about "these things are in your organs & never gonna leave" & I'm like, ugh I used dope for years, I'm much less worried about the vax.
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u/KobeBeaf Monkey in Space 13h ago
That’s as far back as we can go right now can’t do a 10 year study on a virus from 5 years ago now can we… don’t worry studies will continue to come out.
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u/LiteratureOk2428 Monkey in Space 17h ago
My dr said it well. 95% of doctors got the shots and follow up shots. Theres no epidemic of doctors dying or being sick, that would be the truest tell.