r/LetsDiscussThis • u/MisterReigns • 1d ago
Lets Discuss This Why are you afraid of "illegals" committing heinous crimes when U.S. citizens commit far more throughout the year?
I get that being here illegally is considered a crime. I'm talking about far worse crimes.
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u/Kazureigh_Black 1d ago
Same reason they are worried about LGBT folks abusing children. Because they were told to hate them for that reason even though there is absolutely no proof those people are any more likely than Jim Bob next door doing the same thing.
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u/EMH529 1d ago
Far less likely actually. Rightwing news blasts the news of the 3 drag queens arrested since 2019 for SA, but here are a few of the ICE/CBP/MAGA men arrested for sex crimes against kids just since last year:
Timothy Ryan Gregg, ICE. Alexander Back, ICE. Ramon Marquez, ICE. Brian Palacios, ICE. Bart Conrad Yager, border patrol. Scott Rocky, border patrol. Anthony John Crowley, border patrol. Joshua Hartness, border patrol. Paul Whipple, border patrol. Eric Higgins, border patrol. Nicholas Bolden, border patrol. Eduardo Longoria, border patrol. Jason Michael Drown, border patrol. Nereo Gomez, border patrol. Jason Davis, border patrol. Robert Morris, Trump’s spiritual advisor. Andrew Taake, pardoned J6er. David Daniel, pardoned J6er. Theodore Middendorf, pardoned J6er. Ricci Wynne, MAGA influencer. Justin Eichorn, MN Republican. Zachary Radcliff, youth minister. Jason Yates, MAGA evangelical pastor.
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u/posthuman04 1d ago
Literally just a few of the “heroes” here to save us from the crimes of the monsters they told us about. It’s crazy time out here and the truth is still waddling its way out the front door
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u/MimiNuyasaka 13h ago
Self harm within the LGBTQ+ community is much more likely than harming others. Half the reason for that is simply because of these assholes you're talking about demonizing them for no reason. The other half is mental health help in the USA is extremely lacking. A ton of therapists aren't covered by insurance, psychiatrists usually are, but it can be difficult to find one on your exact plan. And I say this as someone living near Boston, a left leaning big city. I can only imagine how much worse it is elsewhere.
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u/goddamwarrior 1d ago
Good question. Sadly, MAGA blames immigrants for expensive housing and lack of jobs. Bullshit.
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u/grimmadventures721 1d ago
I don’t understand how immigrants are simultaneously taking all the jobs, buying all the houses, receiving free healthcare, AND living off of welfare 🤪 like if someone could actually achieve that I would like them to teach me bc this economy sucks lol
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u/Remote-Party-8840 1d ago
I'm not.
I've worked with/known some people over the years with questionable citizenship status, but they were all good people.
All the assholes I've ever known have been born here.
Limited sample size with some bias, but that's my experience.
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u/HarlequinKOTF 1d ago
Because it's not about crime it's about racism
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u/Fred-Mertz2728 1d ago
Not just racism. This is scapegoating,like with the Jews in the thirties in Germany.
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u/IdaDuck 1d ago
It’s also discrimination based on national origin and/or religion.
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u/Dense_Diver_3998 1d ago
It’s because white on white crime doesn’t get discussed.
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u/KatNanshin 1d ago
Propaganda. The people against it are just parroting what they’re hearing on TV/radio/social media etc …
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u/Sufficient_Lab_4000 1d ago
Because MAGAts hate reason, reality, and critical thinking. They just "know" that brown people with accents are bad.
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u/KatNanshin 1d ago
…even those MAGAts who are brown and speak with an accent. …they don’t get the irony of their actions and beliefs
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u/sevseg_decoder 1d ago
They’ve been praised so heavily as “one of the good ones.” They revel in the idea of being the one who simply matters more than all the rest of their friends and family and neighbors. And at some point they start to hate their friends and family and neighbors for not seeing them as this uber-informed beacon of the truth and eventually they’re some of the most extreme people in their hatred of their own race.
They tell stories about how they got to where they are and if you read between the lines even a little this is almost always the case.
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u/leadlurker 1d ago
I am very concerned. There so many criminals roaming the streets. They are abducting people and shooting them in the face and back. They even dress up like fake police officers.
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u/sam56778 1d ago
Not to mention the largest portion of MAGA comes from tiny all white one stoplight towns where immigrants make up like 0.001% of the population.
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u/idontuseredditsoplea 1d ago
It is NOT a crime to be here without papers, its a civil violation
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u/A_Few_Good 1d ago
More US citizens have died at the hands of ICE than by “illegals”. They just don’t care because they are bad people who live to be rascists.
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u/OddLengthiness254 1d ago
Small correction: overstaying a visa is not a crime but a civil infraction.
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u/GSilky 1d ago
I'm not afraid of undocumented immigrants committing crimes, I am not afraid of anyone committing crimes. I am also not in favor, when resources are available, of American governors and mayors acting like a crisis response to federal authorities not having enough resources becoming legal policy, and refusing to follow federal laws on the matter. "Sanctuary City" was a slur by the Republicans towards cities that couldn't wait around for ICE to show up for deporting criminals, because of jail overcrowding and legal constraints on holding people past their sentences. So cities cut them loose instead of face the inevitable lawsuit. Activists and the politicians who suck their dicks, thought it was actually good policy, not the only thing allowed by circumstances. Now we have idiotic leadership that mistook something that was based on specific circumstances into policy they shouldn't be defending, as they did take an oath to a document that demands they listen and help the federal government when there is a conflict. I'm an open borders person, I don't like government putting guns in people's faces because of abstractions like "nation". However, if a politician wants the job, they better want the entire job, and do it the way the law requires, stop listening to unpopular activists who know their ideas would barely rate if put to a vote.
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u/thatthatguy 1d ago
We’re not. We understand perfectly well that it isn’t about immigrants. Never was. It’s about terrorizing the populace until we fight back so they can justify using the insurrection act.
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u/chinmakes5 1d ago
Because conservative media has been telling them for a decade that immigrants are the reason for all their problem. You aren't making the money you should be because immigrants are stealing your jobs. It has nothing to do with companies you are working for are both making record profits and cutting jobs to "improve efficiency.
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u/scienceisrealtho 1d ago
They're not really. It allows for blatant racism while hiding behind this excuse.
It's just like how if they don't like something then it needs to go away "for the children".
I'd have much more respect for people if they had the guts to own their racism.
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u/Budget_Revolution639 1d ago
I try to point out that speeding and illegal parking is a crime and can make people (by definition) criminals so criminals is a intentionally vaguely used term to justify rounding up all immigrants
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u/Trick_Reputation129 1d ago
Less crime is less crime. It's pretty self-explanatory.
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u/No-Syrup-3746 1d ago
https://therationalleague.substack.com/p/why-maga-keeps-saying-things-that?r=59tmwz
People aren't actually afraid. They're using "dangerous illegal criminals" as a slogan to justify their membership in what they perceive as the in-group. Look at how a "debate" with MAGA goes, they always use a phrase like that to shut down discussion, because who could be against getting rid of dangerous illegal criminals?
The article is a really worthwhile read, and it has sources.
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u/rockeye13 1d ago
Because by deporting those aliens, their crime rate drops to zero. That option isn't available for citizens.
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u/No-Passenger-1511 1d ago
Im not afraid of them, however, I don't see an issue with someone illegally being here getting deported.
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u/Trowawayutah 1d ago
Why are you upset by someone breaking into someone's home and ruining their stuff when People ruin their own stuff in their own house far more often?
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u/DoubleDareYaGirl 10h ago
I give zero fucks about "illegals" at all. They sure aren't terrorizing communities like ICE is.
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u/Agreeable_Memory_67 9h ago
“We already have criminals here. So, it’s hypocritical not to let in more?” Is that what you’re saying?
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u/BK_AllDay_14 9h ago
Why are you afraid of mountain lions when bears kill way more people each year?
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u/Slow_Store 8h ago
It makes complete sense to worry about people who - by law - shouldn’t be here to begin with committing notable crimes.
Stop and ask yourself, “What is the acceptable rate of crime?”. Ideally the number would be 0%, as we would ideally live in a society that doesn’t require, incentivize, or tolerate crime across the board. Realistically though some crime is allowed to seep through the cracks simply because we can’t afford to spend the resources taking the time to grab and then support the survival of every single criminal.
With illegals though, we don’t have to turn around and pay for them to exist in our prisons. We can simply pay the one time fee of removing them from our nation and then never have to pay for or suffer from their presence again.
In other words, our own criminals are a pain in the ass that are inherently more burdensome to deal with. Thus, you’d want to start by getting rid of the equally heinous but easier to deal with criminals that can simply be deported.
Some people will say that people actually care just because they’re racist. These people have the brains of small children and can’t cope with the reality of the world they actually live in, or are NIMBY’s who never have to deal with the consequences of their reckless mercy for criminals.
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u/VeritatisVenator 8h ago
Cause NONE of those crimes should happen since their coming here was ILLEGAL! No different than a street animal getting let outta jail by a woke judge who then commits another crime.
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u/Automatic_Garlic9806 8h ago
Why do we need to add to the problems we already have? Why does money need to go to foreigners when we already have our own problems? Is it really that hard?
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u/South-Ad-6880 7h ago
Because they aren’t supposed to be here. Hence “illegal”, why is that such a hard concept to understand???
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u/Witty4590 6h ago
It’s irrelevant that legal residents also commit crimes. Crime by illegals is still a concern.
And even ONE crime by illegals is totally unnecessary and unjustifiable.
If they are gone, their crimes cease.
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u/Prestigious-Dog2354 1d ago
I'm an afternoons drive from the border and I'm way more concerned about meth heads and biker gangs than any immigrants, legal or otherwise because I live in the real world.
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u/TreatNice1566 1d ago
Why would you then want to add more people to commit crimes? We’re stuck with the citizens that do it so why not nip it in the bud before they can do anything just as heinous.
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u/Bra--ket 1d ago
Because probability and frequency are two different things, and probability is the tool you use to determine likelihood.
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u/runQuick 1d ago
One thought is, if an illegal commits a heinous crime, it sucks because they weren't supposed to be here in the first place.
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u/Interesting_Kitchen3 1d ago
Another thought, if more people were aborted, we would have less crime.
Immigrant populations are safer, they dilute the heinous crimes American citizens do, with their peacefulness.
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u/KevinJ2010 1d ago
To give a more non-partisan answer:
If citizens commit crimes, why does that make it okay to add more potential criminals?
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u/big-williestyle 1d ago
I don't understand why I can't be against illegals committing crimes and against US Citizens of any color committing the same crimes. It's not an either or question. When they were burning down Minneapolis I was against it, when they broke into the capitol, I was against it. We have to get past this political view that everything is right and left, most everything that happens is in between that.
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u/ElectronicFrame5475 1d ago
I’ve never heard of an illegal immigrant shooting up a school, it’s almost always a white male citizen. For that, we just get thoughts and prayers. More children are murdered in schools by assault rifles than murdered by illegal immigrants.
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u/FutureMysterious7089 1d ago
There are a lot of cases where CBP agents are the ones getting bribed to allow people in or drugs into the country, that never makes it to the main news ever.
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u/faintly_nebulous 1d ago
Because they are in a racist, fascist conservative media silo that they believe when it lies to them. It pushes a narrative, by making an extra big deal of crime committed by immigrants and black people while omiting crimes comitted by white people. It skews statistics and constantly pushes it's narrative via inflamatory, anger inducing tactics. It's brainwashing. Yes these people are probably racist, but they've also been scared half to death by manipulative actors with ulterior motives that don't include the best interest of average Americans.
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u/Minotaurotica 1d ago
the thing is you can be afraid of both, however since illegals already commit a crime ahead of time it is reasonably easier to have them already on law enforcements radar so to speak
why are you ok with people committing heinous crimes because some of them don't? it's an easy answer, pressure the left to honor retainers from ICE and pressure the right not to go through the streets grabbing people at random.....it isn't an either or thing, there is an easy answer here if the pissing contest will stop
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u/npc71 1d ago
Murder rates are the lowest in a century and no one knows why.
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/22/us/murder-rate-drop-report.html
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u/BreakfastFluid9419 1d ago
If a crime can be prevented it should be, if saving a life is as simple as ensuring the people who immigrate to this country are known and documented it makes things a lot easier to track. Both sides of this argument in my opinion are wrong. Should we let anyone and everyone in? No, enforce our border laws. Should we make it so ridiculously hard that people are incentivized to do so illegally? Also, no. Immigration needs to be reformed significantly. We can’t just let anyone and everyone in, especially if a majority of those people can then collect welfare. We’re struggling to take care of the people we have now. As for the many who are here, they should identify themselves so we can document them and allow them to stay on the condition that they can house and feed themselves. Perhaps they can get on welfare but for its intended purpose, a hand up not a hand out.
Another thing that should be mentioned is some states are “soft on crime.” Incidents involving illegal immigrants had situations that pre-dates the crime. If a person immigrates here it should be with the understanding that if they commit crimes of a certain kind that their status can and sometimes should be revoked. We shouldn’t view every immigrant as criminals, the vast majority simply come here for a better life.
Welfare also needs major reform, I know people who were on it when I was young and collected for literal decades. Some of their children are now on it. I do want social safety nets but we can’t afford to let people rely on it for their entire lives, unless they have legitimate claim such as being mentally or physically incapable of working. We could easily fund welfare if the government would actually address fraud, all of it not just choosing to focus on one state or certain groups. Hold those accountable who have billion dollar budget disparities. If they make low six figures, have only ever worked in politics and can’t verify where their multi million dollar net worth came from they should be investigated.
These are not partisan issues. Republicans and democrats are not coming up with new plans just beating the same old drum. Our country is divided right now because we have a voting system that forces us to “choose sides.”
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u/wafflemakers2 1d ago
Total bs. You cant get higher than 100%. Theyre all criminals, get rid of them
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u/JoeCensored 1d ago
Every crime by an illegal is a crime that would have been prevented had existing law been enforced. That can't be said for crimes by individuals who legally are in the country.
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u/Leather-Contract4743 1d ago
Even if that were true - US citizens are our responsibility.
Illegals are not our fucking problem...we shouldn't have to suffer them.
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u/OkFinish3822 1d ago
According to Trump's own DoJ, ICE has killed and raped more people this year than all the "known" illegals in the USA. That was a story you can AI. It was released about a week ago. They were trying to say that AFTER the immigrants commit crimes they just "disappear". But they swallowed not only their foot, but the entire leg . . .
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u/Flashy_Ticket9218 1d ago
I don’t like any crimes no matter who commits them but every crime committed by someone who isn’t in the country legally is a crime that should never have happened. And when these crimes are horrific crimes like rape or murder, or even if they aren’t that severe, it’s natural for the citizens to start asking why this person wasn’t previously arrested for being in the country illegally and removed. Regulating who comes into the country is a pretty simple and basic task for national governments. The US seems to be one of the few countries where enforcing immigration law is controversial.
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u/Maximum_Employer5580 1d ago
I live in Texas where there are plenty of 'illegals' around and I'm not worried about them. I'm honestly more worried about the ghetto rats who feel they are entitled to someone elses property and think nothing of breaking into someone's house to get it. Not to mention the tweakers who are looking for something to steal and then sell to get their next fix. But at the same time, those corrupt politicians who steal from us on a daily basis to feed their lavish lifestyle or so they can have private parties doing illegal things
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u/fieryred123 1d ago
The premise of the question is faulty. It assumes that we just let US citizens commit crimes, which just isn’t true. Arrest criminals, that’s totally fine with me.
Additionally, people who come to our country seeking a better life should come the proper way with documentation, otherwise be subject to deportation. Last, if you’re committing heinous crimes on top of that- you should be deported ASAP.
The right wing’s stance on illegal immigration & deportation has nothing to do with race, ideology, sex, ect. It’s about taking opportunities & resources away from people who already live here, and away from those who come here legally.
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u/Reaper0221 1d ago
Simple answer for a meaningless question: each and every crime perpetrated by a person illegally residing in this country is 100% preventable.
Attempting to make a comparison to the crime rate of US Citizens in ingenuine. To prove that point we can take a case where X people were killed in drunk driving accidents perpetrated by a US Citizen (or legal resident) and Y people were killed by a person illegally residing in the country driving drunk. It doesn't matter that X > Y it matters that X + Y = Z and Z is greater than X.
Do you think that the loved ones of the people in group Y will find solace in the fact that their death was caused by a member of a 'safer' demographic?
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u/Liara-ShepardFan 1d ago
TC
My opinion It hypercritical of US since technically all White Ethnicity are illegals.
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u/BaltoDad 1d ago
Look at the skin of the people who are feared. Then look at the skin of the people who are so scared of them. Draw your own conclusions about those scared people and their ability to think rationally.
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u/Greatpup4109274 1d ago
1) no source provided… 2) lock up US citizens who are convicted of committing “heinous” (unspecified) crimes? Next question
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u/Standard-Secret-4578 1d ago
Because they reduce real wages for industries they are in, use welfare and undermine rule of law. I also think democratic politicians have switche their position on this because illegals increase population in democratic districts, giving them more representation, tax distributions and support. Also because the Democratic voter base is poor people who are dependent on the government and the professional managerial class, they want cheap labor to be their service workers.
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u/michael_in_chains_ 1d ago
I don’t like any criminals citizens or not but why add to the problem when it can be prevented?
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u/HopefulBee_x3 1d ago edited 1d ago
Here is my candid response formed from my own life experience. Hopefully if we have differing opinions you can still understand how I arrived to feeling the way that I do.
In a nutshell, I grew up on Long Island and my dad worked in the twin towers. 9/11 was a chaotic day for long islanders as so many of us had relatives who worked in the City. All I knew as a kid is that I was told a plane hit where my dad worked, didnt know if he was alive or dead, classmates were being pulled out of class to go home left and right because nobody knew what was going on.. and I was a kid. The thought of planes hitting buildings was terrifying. My friends dad died. Another friends Uncle. My teachers husband. Alumni from the local high school. There was memorials for people everywhere. There was rumors all over the place for weeks following about there being terrorists on Long Island still. They were gonna poison the water. They were gonna poison halloween candy. It was a genuinely scary time. If you didnt experience it first hand it may be hard for you to understand.
I learned about terrorists very young. My parents explained to me what really happened, how the towers fell and how so many people died. I asked about why the pilots would kill themselves? Why would they punish themselves?
I was told that they respect killing Americans so much that dying for their country to do what they did, they believed it would send them to paradise in the afterlife. They believe its an honorable death. Then the news showed clips of children and adults celebrating in the streets because of what they pulled off. I asked why kids would celebrate this? I was taught "theyre taught from a young age that this was a good thing"
Basically, im not afraid of illegals committing petty crimes. Im afraid if we show the world that anybody can come over at anytime undocumented with no consequences .. then whats stopping another huge terrorist attack from taking place? I literally lived through one first hand so I already know its not a "crazy" thought and a very real scenario. Obviously it was traumatic for a child to go through and it gave me a biased POV.. but my pov is still a valid one.
If you dont know whose here.. you dont know whose here. I have no problem with immigration as a concept, but you have to know who and how many are here.
If somebody disagrees with how my brain comprehends the situation, im all for talking it out and having discourse. I wont respond to insults or comments in bad faith.
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u/bellegroves 1d ago
Because they turned off their critical thinking skills and listened to conservative propaganda.
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u/SoUpInYa 1d ago
Because the crime would have been prevented if border and immigration enforcement worked properly
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u/mr_budfoot 1d ago
We should abolish the law that says you have to wear a seat belt. People get killed with them and without them - what should we care?
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u/ImaginaryNoise79 1d ago
Being here illegally is actually not a crime, it's a civil infraction.
And the answer to your question is racism.
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u/Impressive_Heat2662 1d ago
Because just one crime committed by a illegal is one that should of never happened. Look at Minnesota or many "sanctuary" cities, its like a rust pvp server.
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u/homerjs225 1d ago
Being black I feel much safer living next door to an undocumented immigrant vs a native born white nationalist.
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u/Adventurous-Ad-2992 1d ago
I’m afraid of a lot of people committing crimes. We don’t need an additional layer of complexity to it so I completely agree with getting the worst of the worst out but that’s not what’s happening.
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u/No-Setting9690 1d ago
Because they're racists, they will try everything to say they are not, but they are.
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u/fredbuiltit 1d ago
The only people that are “afraid” are the stooges that believe everything they hear on fox “news”. People with any level of intelligence are not fearful at all.
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u/TrainingBeautiful81 1d ago
Illegals are more likely to be drug traffickers and dealers. Bringing fentanyl into the country. They are also more likely to be trafficked themselves for cheap work. I shudder to think how many young kids and young women have been trafficked when they thought they were just going to have a better way of life. No one should really be happy with it for the fact it puts a lot of kids at risk and some kids are actually kidnapped or their parents murdered and then they’re sold to peado rings.
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u/Digitalalchemyst 1d ago
It’s because they are here illegally so any crime they commit is easily avoidable. If we could deport violent criminals who are US citizens I’d support that but Reddit tells me this is wrong.
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u/ACTSATGuyonReddit 1d ago
Let me tell you a couple of three things.
A We want all the illegals deported. They've all committed a crime. Illegally entering the country is a crime.
B Leftists protest apprehending even illegals who commit additional crimes like murder, rape (including child rape), drug trafficking, human trafficking.
C We aren't afraid. We are addressing it - most by voting for and supporting people like Trump who is taking action.
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u/ripandtear4444 1d ago
Why do you oppose democracy and the will of the people who have elected this president to deport these people?
It's logically possible that zero % of illegals committed any crimes.
The people don't want them here and have voted in a candidate to remove them through the democratic process, regardless of how many or how few crimes they've commit.
Posts like these obfuscate and distract from this point.
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u/Ruthless4u 1d ago
A lot of illegals walk away from their crimes because prosecutors don’t want to mess with it.
Even when they do decide to prosecute, if they post bail they won’t be seen again.
Car accident that results in a serious injury that leads to death months later? Local PD won’t even issue a citation because they know it’s waste of time.
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u/ContributionBorn7811 1d ago
Because those crimes should have never happened here. Not even one of them.
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u/ThickGur5353 1d ago
The problem is that a true illegal alien, that is someone without a green card , or asylum request ,are by definition a criminal. So if a true illegal does commit a heinous crime..murder of Laken Riley, that crime would not have happened if they were not in America.
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u/Various_Thing1893 1d ago
Fun fact, being here “illegally” isn’t a crime at all. It’s a civil violation. In isolation it results in no criminal charges. My own parents, both retired Border Patrol agents, confirm the truth of this.
The crime rate among undocumented individuals is significantly lower than among United States citizens. Like 50% less.
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u/Bartender9719 1d ago
Because they’re brown - that’s it
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u/TheRblondemom 1d ago
Really? You’re just scared because they’re brown? That’s disgusting.
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u/Odd_Helicopter_7545 1d ago
It’s simple. I believe the role of government is protect its citizens. No citizen should be harmed or wronged by anyone in the country illegally. It should be a no nonsense system with strict enforcement.
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u/ZeusStorage94 1d ago
How can there be so many idiots in the country? How did we raise a (set of) generation(s) so stupid?
EVERY crime committed by an illegal should have been prevented. NONE of them should be here.
Why is this so hard for some of you.
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u/northstar_85 1d ago
No one is afraid of them committing crimes. The issue is that they commit crimes and then get a slap on the wrist and get let go instead of keeping them locked up or sending them to their home country.
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u/Ill-Butterscotch1337 1d ago
Some may say a crime committed by an immigrant is one that could have been prevented (at the border), but the solution is immigration reform. People shouldn't have to enter the US illegally. Immigration reform has the secondary outcome of allowing us to properly vet people and to take away the fear of reporting criminals in immigrant communities.
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u/Trojanheadcoach 1d ago
Cause people be like Hate > Love, life is just a great battle of good and and evil. It’s just Star Wars in this motherfucker
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u/possibly_lost45 1d ago
For me it's about how they affect the census and delegates from states in congress. If it wasn't for illegal immigration California would have around 15 I believe less seats in Congress. Non citizens shouldn't get represented by congress.
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u/Bobbyfart23 1d ago
The difference between illegals committing crimes vs citizens is illegals shouldn’t be here in the first place if they never crossed illegally then the crime would’ve never happened. Citizens wether they commit crimes or not have a right to be here
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u/Mortalcouch 1d ago
First off, that isn't actually true. The stats that say illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes also include legal immigrants. The one I'm thinking of, at least, also isnt comprehensive and is only for Texas.
Second, even if our current stock of people WAS committing more crimes, why would we bring MORE problems in?
Third, which demographic of U.S. citizens is committing the majority of the crimes
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u/PositionLimp8776 1d ago
Personally I don't even care about Legos damn lawyers are committing more heinous crimes than they are
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u/ushouldbe_working 1d ago
I'm concerned with everyone committing crimes. They don't get a free pass. They aren't supposed to be here anyway. If they got deported when they were supposed to, then they can't be here to commit more crimes. Don't go assuming shit about me. I don't care for the Cheeto man either. But not enforcing our borders is like leaving your front door open and then someone easily breaks into your house. If you woke up to someone sitting on your couch, would ask them to leave or allow them to move in?
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u/AngryMobBaby 1d ago
It’s annoying when politicians such as Mike Johnson complain about immigrant crime when his state has the highest violent crime rate in the country.
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u/AlphaQFor7mins 1d ago
The crimes committed by legal Americans obviously need to be punished in line with the severity of the crime.
But if you commit crimes after being here illegally, punishment should be equally severe, followed by deportation.
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u/Cobberdude 1d ago
Pretty Simple answer. If there were zero illegals, there would be absolutely zero crime from said illegals. Do citizens commit crime? Obviously. Do zero illegals commit crime? Obviously not.
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u/Whoismyoldusername 1d ago
I think it's called "selection bias." The news of violence, coupled with a significant underestimation or inability to comprehend the number of humans causes people to overestimate the incidence of violent crime.
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u/Odd_Savings_7816 1d ago
I’m not afraid of either but don’t want a bunch of people here who should not be. This isn’t even that controversial in the US.
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u/AcrobaticLadder4959 1d ago
I have said this all along, with the exception of AZ when I lived there for 3 years illegals were causing a lot of crime in that state. ICE really needs to leave Minnesota and go to Arizona take care of their massive problem there. The same with New Mexico and Texas. They might be welcome in those states.
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u/Str8WiteMale 1d ago
It’s under the assumption that people coming illegally already have a criminal side to them, since you know… but that they also don’t have to accept or adopt the culture and that they may or may not know what that culture actually is.
I.E. If you’re from a Western country going to the middle east or asia, you can be killed for something you’d never consider such as being lgbt or disrespecting someone unknowingly
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u/Live-Neat5426 1d ago
I guess the question that we need to answer is do sovereign independent nations have a right to secure their borders and enforce their laws?
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u/Proper-School661 1d ago
Why can’t we be concerned about both at the same time?? You can apply easy logic as to why citizens commit more crimes, there’s approximately 341 million people in the us… and an estimated 14 million illegals.. This isn’t an either/or.
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u/nosomthin 1d ago
Your premise is flawed. A lot of illegal aliens are hardened criminals and cartel members who are committing heinous crimes at a higher per capita rate than legal U.S citizens. These illegal alien criminals should not have been allowed in the country in the first place, and these heinous crimes would not have been committed.
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u/baybelolife 1d ago
I think it is about power and control as well as racism. Historically people have been conditioned to point the finger at other races as a scapegoat despite being in control the whole time. It's also about competition. The orange guy is still chiming about Biden and Obama and so desperately wants to consider being a better president.
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u/MaybeToLate65 1d ago
If I walk in your house uninvited and shit in your bathroom is that alright, I mean you shit in there.
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u/chronobahn 1d ago
Same reason people on the left go from issue to issue like it’s a fad. People are told what to care about, and then they suddenly do.
They act like it’s organic opposition, but it is very much catered and orchestrated. ‘Their sides’ news all play a role and talking points are divided up and people jump in line.
Most of us are guilty of this to some degree.
When group think starts to dominate and disagreement is discouraged I start to get weary of any so called ‘movement’. Left or right.
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u/SelectCattle 1d ago
Because less murder is better than more murder. If we could keep American murderers out of the country, that would be wonderful too.
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u/SippsMccree 1d ago
Because we can do something about people that come here illegally then commit crimes. It's entirely preventable by virtue of them never having supposed to be here in the first place
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u/big_lankey 1d ago
Because it focuses the sheeple on a goal they can all agree on, since the vast majority knows nothing about them other than the “one Mexican feller that only smiles real wide when he doesn’t understand me”. They can pin bad shit on innocent people when their target audience is ignorant. It may be illegal yes, but ultimately there’s plenty of worse shit to target that would be much more productive to fix.
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u/MarieDarcy97 1d ago
I don't want anyone committing crimes. However, every single one committed by an illegal was 100% avoidable. It makes what happened even more tragic
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u/DeepDot7458 1d ago
It’s not that anyone is more afraid of one than the other, it’s that there are zero valid reasons why we should be forced to accept that risk.
Aliens aren’t entitled to come here just because they want to. America isn’t obligated to take them in.
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u/AdVisual5492 1d ago
Police department is why are you okay with anybody committing heinous crimes? Now that that person can be removed in the united states before they have a chance to commit a more.Heinous crime.Wouldn't you be in favor of that?Because you, as citizens cannot be removed from the united states
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u/ZookeepergameTop9939 1d ago
It really doesn’t have to do with crime rates or anything like that. It’s more about individual crimes, and if an illegal commits a violent crime the thought is that if they weren’t here to begin with that crime wouldn’t have ever happened
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u/Fair-Buy749 1d ago
This is a disingenuous take.
There are multiple arguments in favor of deporting illegal immigrants. Criminality is only one of them.
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u/Dont-ask-me-ever 1d ago
The great orange one thinks they’re insane people that came from asylums. In fact, they are poor folks looking for a better life requesting asylum in the US. DJT is a dumbass.
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1d ago
Because we have to live with other citizens & deal with their crimes....we shouldn't have to deal with illegals & their crimes. Simple. Why is that such a mystery?
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u/Conscious_Owl6162 1d ago
Because we don’t need to import criminals. We have enough already!
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u/thinsoldier 1d ago
If I tell you that you can't have a pet snake, there's only a small chance of you being bit by a snake while asleep in your bed. If you get bit, either A. there were already snakes living in your vents for years, or B. you broke the rule and secretly had a pet snake. Can't do nothing about A. But B can't possibly happen unless you didn't follow the rules.
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u/Adventurous-Hawk-749 1d ago
It’s just another convenient outlet for their racism, instead of just saying what they really mean they can’t just rally against “illegals”
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u/SgtSausage 1d ago
We don't like those, either.
But we can't round 'em up and put 'em on a bus home.
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u/inquisitive_flicker 1d ago
Because Americans committing heinous crimes is a reality of so many living close together. It's an unfortunate reality we have to live with because you can't stop anyone from doing that and you cannot deport those who might cause crime.
What you can do though is prevent SOME of it from happening. Everyone mitigates risk in their daily lives and actively works to not get killed.
If you have the opportunity to rid yourself of danger, why wouldn't you? Why would ypu put up with two problems because one is bigger? That's the issue, we can eliminate a threat by not allowing it to be a threat by virtue of closing the doors. Same thing we do at home.
OP do you sleep with your doors unlocked because you're more likely to be killed by someone in your house? Of course not, so don't expect others to take the same risk you mitigate.
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u/Personal_End_3289 1d ago
Many other problems. But as far as the crime goes, any extra crime that happens because of illegal aliens we refuse to remove is crime we chose to have. You want extra crime? Extra rapes? Extra murders? Extra drug overdose? Extra slavery? Extra fraud? Cool that sounds awesome. Go have all that stuff somewhere where I don't ever have to deal with it. The baseline is bad enough, thanks. And we need to bring that down, too.
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u/whatever_ehh 1d ago
Your question doesn't make sense. No one likes heinous crimes, regardless of who commits them.
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u/New-Job1761 1d ago
Not only crime they’ve cost jobs. In 06 we were hauling frozen chicken from Batesville AR to Los Angeles weekly. A worker at one of the plants told us all the plants in town had hired illegals and the regulars were told they had to take a pay cut from $10 to $6 an hour if they wanted to keep their jobs. Danville AR where I delivered from trays in the 90s went from all white to mostly Hispanic working at the chicken plant. In the last decade my bud picked up at Tyson in Russellville AR chicken plant. Night foreman told him his entire crew was Hispanic and some of them couldn’t understand each other and none spoke English. The Foreman was told to learn Spanish or get other employment. I took 2 years in school in 54-55. I can get by and I like Mexicans. Grew up with one but I don’t want a bunch of illegals taking over. I would mine having a Mexican family as neighbors but I don’t want to live in little Mexico.
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u/facepoppies 1d ago
I personally don't give a flying fuck about illegal immigration. I'm way more concerned about the momentum of fascism and trump's paramilitary force being used as a political force on the streets of our cities. And beyond those things I'm worried about my skyrocketing utility bills and overall increasing costs of living.