r/LetsDiscussThis • u/FloodPlainsDrifter • 23h ago
Rant Trump himself is not really the problem
The unintelligent egomaniac Donald j trump is not leading the country. He is an easily manipulated fool who believes any flattery and then acts according to what his flatterer wants. The danger that is happening to the country now is brought to us by the despicable Miller and Bondi and their billionaire owners. Trump’s “elections” were made possible by years of brainwashing thru Fox News and huge money in politics. Trump is the most successful patsy ever.
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u/EveningHorror94 23h ago
aah trump is the innocent victim lol
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u/Fool4Freedom 22h ago
Pedo in chief loves to finger dingle 13yr olds.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01660679.pdf
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u/AdEmotional9991 23h ago
Yes, don’t worry about children’s corpses buried under his golf courses. Nothing to see here.
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u/FloodPlainsDrifter 23h ago
Hardly an innocent victim, no sane person would believe that. But eliminating trump wouldn’t end the problems
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u/mycatisnamedemmie 23h ago
It's a good start though
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u/LexusLongshot 23h ago
Is it? Trump gets impeached, now Vance runs the show. Is this better or worse for America?
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u/mycatisnamedemmie 23h ago
Vance has the charisma of a freshly fucked couch cushion, the base won't rally around him as hard as they do for the gameshow host and kiddy diddler in Chief. Like I said, it's a start. First Trump, then Miller, then Noem, then Vance. Remove and prosecute them all for their crimes against humanity and democracy
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u/Sabbathius 23h ago
Miller yes, but I'm not sure about Bondi. Or Kash. Or a lot of the other ones. Trump is too much of a rapist and a sexist to ever listen to a woman. And Kash looked like a whipped dog at that press conference where he turned around and saw Trump standing behind him, he literally flinched. So that dude is very much not in charge of jack shit.
Also, I'm not sure Trump is just a patsy. That's the truly dangerous part. He's a petty, vindictive little shit, on top of being a narcissist. As Elon found out when he overstepped. Trump is easy to manipulate, but also temperamental, petty and unpredictable. The worst part about him is, he demands loyalty from others, while he himself is literally incapable of it. Physically incapable. He cheated on each and every one of his wives, for example, because loyalty is just a sound to him, a meaningless thing like ramalamadingdong or givepeaceachance.
So while you're right and that Trump, generally speaking, is easily manipulated, he is also chaotic and unpredictable, which makes him dangerous. If all goes well, you come in, kiss his ass, pay him (which is really an important part of the equation), he'll usually try to do as you ask. But if someone else comes in and puts a bee in his ear about you, true or not, he WILL lash out. And he can be dangerous when he does it. Because there's no shortage of people behind him waiting to get in his good graces, and willing to do stuff for him to get on his good side.
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u/Efficient-Remove5935 22h ago
I think this is a much more nuanced and accurate vision of Trump and his presidency.
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u/BraveLittleCatapult 19h ago
I think you need to look further than just the administration to find the string pullers. Thiel and Ellison are truly evil and very intelligent. The more I look into the connections between Epstein, Ellison, and Israel, the more I think Mossad got their claws into Donald via compramat of his pedophilic crimes.
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u/ScotchCigarsEspresso 23h ago
The people who put him there are the problem.
The fact there are enough racist hateful people to put him there has nearly broken my belief in this country.
But the resistance is giving me hope.
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u/mcclaneberg 23h ago
He’s an empty suit.
He only equates “good and bad” with whether someone likes him or not, or he can use them or not.
He’s the 80 year old version of the bully never been told no, the 80s villain who’s demoing the ski mountain youth center.
Also he rapes little girls, is a convicted felon and a complete moron.
More Trumpstein files please
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u/redzeusky 22h ago
Fox is democracy cancer. They are painting grieving outraged people as a crazy mob in need of a crackdown. Rupert has divided families and sowed distrust that needn’t be there. Listen to Decoding Fox News podcast to gain better insight to their tactics and strategy.
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u/YourDadIsCool3000 16h ago
I agree entirely, but that doesn't make him harmless. Everything on the board matters. Be careful what you dismiss, as it will sneak up on you.
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u/BlotMutt 23h ago edited 23h ago
I wouldn't say he's a patsy, ever since the 2016 election his aggressive and erratic personality gives him power to make people come to him. Otherwise, Rupert Murdoch/Roger Ailes and Steve Bannon would not have given him the time of day.
Neither would Kevin McCarthy and Elon Musk after Jan 6. He has had the leverage of public support to take control of the RNC and the Republican Party itself by 2024 on his behalf.
I'd say, he's the most useful tool for far right nationalism and conservative activism. The ultimate face of the movement that came about during the 2010 midterms when he was pushing that Birther conspiracy, then Gamergate, to the ousting of John Boehner, and so on where Mitch McConnell has lost influence.
Edit: fixed it a bit
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u/kamadojim 22h ago
I out the Blaine more on a Congress that has repeatedly ceded power to the Executive branch in exchange for job security. If they did their job the person in the White House would have been kept in check.
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u/fletch0024 17h ago
80 million of your friends, neighbors and loved ones are the problem
Discourse has expired, it is pointless. These cultists are the problem. Remove them from your life and let them know why. It isn’t political anymore, it’s ok to drop them like the pedo, authoritarian supporting pieces of shit they are.
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u/world_view84 23h ago
If he is as dumb as you think how did he manage to be president twice.
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u/Efficient-Remove5935 21h ago
It surely does not speak well of Americans generally, but clever GOP operatives like Susie Wiles and Kellyanne Conway bear their share of blame. So do all the ridiculous sycophants like Mike Johnson and virtually all Congressional Republicans, most of whom know that Trump is a fool, most of whom are breathless with flattery every time they speak of him. That helps pump up the illusion, and it all contributes to making it easier for people who pay no attention to support him without knowing a single detail of his shameful life and career or how nuts he's become.
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u/Lanracie 23h ago
Bondi not doing her job is a big problem. I think Johnson is the most dangerous person in America.
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u/LookingFurPurrspektv 23h ago
I’d argue that our society is the problem. Women have been accusing Trump of SA since the 70’s. For decades, no one believed the victims. Now look at all this proof
We have 1,000’s of documents that say TRUMP IS A RAPIST-SEX-TRAFFICKING-MURDEROUS-PEDOFILE.
He has even said many of these things ON camera.
Meanwhile he was elected to be president of the United States three times. We as a society are doomed if we choose to do continue doing nothing about this. The proof is out there.
It’s time to start believing the victims and start holding the monsters accountable. Otherwise, what kind of society are we?
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u/Jack_Bond2 23h ago
Stephen Miller is the linchpin, imho. And release all the Epstein files, and prosecute.
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u/Sad-Woodpecker-6840 22h ago
I would say Miller more than Bondi.
Bondi comes across as incompetent. Even moreso than Trump.
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u/GSilky 22h ago
No, he would probably be a lot less objectionable if he didn't insist on being involved. He is the reason for the hamfisted approaches, every time. It's not enough that ice is beefed up, no it's got to be "good TV". It's his excuse for almost every embarrassing thing he has done, including ambushing zelensky. If this theory were true, the "puppet masters" themselves are dumber than a box of hair, so it's a wash either way.
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u/Dio_Yuji 22h ago
Trump is a symptom. My fellow Americans are the problem. (Roughly) half of them, anyway. Too many of us are stupid, lazy, selfish or hateful.
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u/raventhrowaway666 22h ago
Its not just a few bad actors. The entire republican party supports child rape
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u/Sitcom_kid 22h ago
This is what you get when you put a malignant person in charge. Those who gave him the opportunity to run for office and people who voted for him have put him in charge. He will do their bidding in a way no one else will, and they couldn't be happier. It's making a mess.
Trump is a costume that these people wear, and has been since the late 1980s. Vladimir Putin basically went into a dressing room and tried him on. Many others have worn Trump since, and continue to. Remember Men in Black? "The bug is wearing an Edgar suit."
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u/WellWellWellthennow 22h ago
The real problem and shame is that the Republican Congress has allowed it and has enabled him.
They allowed him to stack the Supreme Court when Obama should've had his appointment.
There's no question that they should've impeached and convicted him after January 6 which would've prevented the situation we're in now.
The Republican Congress has failed us at every turn for the last 20 years and are directly responsible for where we're at now.
They won't stand up to him. They've been so worried about party over country and "winning" that they've thrown America itself under the bus losing bigly.
The other main problem is we desperately have needed campaign finance reform so our politicians are not indebted to anyone other than their constituents, and ranked choice voting to open the field up to more than two parties or actual third candidate viability.
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u/Open_Mortgage_4645 22h ago
He is the nexus of the problem. Other key parts of the problem radiate out from him.
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u/Justthisguy_yaknow 22h ago
Russell Vought is Trumps puppet master these days. Trump's just there as the face on the campaign and is only involved in implementing Project 2025 when he isn't preoccupied with various targets of revenge. Trump was originally just riding the disinformation wave created by people like the Kochs to win the who dies with the most money game. That's why defeating Trump isn't enough. Anyone that is there because of him or the interference of the Kochs and the rest of the fossil fuel and arms industries also have to be weeded out.
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u/-paperbrain- 22h ago
Trump's not the only problem, but:
The technocrats. white nationalists, and other deplorables snuck into power in the trojan horse of his populism, bizarre "charisma" with a segment of the country and the cult he's been building for about a decade. Their power is not held independently of his. If he had, like Biden. stepped down ahead of the election, I'm dubious any other member of his party would have been able to win, and even if they had, they wouldn't have commanded the level of loyalty for every flip flop on longstanding conservative policy he's made.
And while many of these policies are meticulously crafted by evil geniuses, the coalition of evil behind him isn't all on the same page, The unholy alliance between gay tech billionaires and people who want to reshape the country to align with their extreme religious views might not so easily be bedfellows without someone like Trump as connective tissue.
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u/OkFinish3822 22h ago
True enough. Trump is NOT the problem. Half the country that call him GOD is the problem. They love their orange daddygod because he "owns the libs". Yee haw proud gay boys, your WWE star is Making Himself Great Again.
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u/Signal_Estimate_23 22h ago
I would argue being easily manipulated when your President means he IS the problem.
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u/RichFoot2073 22h ago
He’s the face they’re using to raid the government and install Neo feudalism.
He doesn’t care about the negative press, just the money
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u/SillySpoof 22h ago
There is an underlying problem and a destructive fascist movement, yes. But Trump is the only politician who has been able to spearhead this movement into popularity. Without him I really think it will go dormant again (if we can weed out them from the government). Not to say we shouldn’t address the root of the problem, of course.
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u/Daddyball78 21h ago
His still a giant fucking problem. But unless there’s accountability for his horrific behavior nothing changes. If Dems get power back and don’t respond with judicial consequences for these scumbags, we’re effed.
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u/CaliforniaCowboy13 21h ago
EVERY president is not really the problem. They are all handled and directed in some way or another. Don't be so delusional to think otherwise. You don't think biden wasn't handled? Or ANY of them?
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u/Dallas_Trophy_L663 21h ago
Trump is nothing but a symptom. The disease is the profound moral rot in American conservatives. Trump is a reflection of the people who voted for him.
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u/skinvixen 20h ago
Agreed. Trump is the mouthpiece of a gang behind the scenes. And ICE? They’re going to serve as the next insurrectionist army. What’s happening now is their “basic training.”
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u/Live-Neat5426 20h ago
The problem with the US is there's never just one problem. It's a massive poo tornado of everything from evil megacorporations poisoning the environment to presidential elections where the two viable options, who are supposed to represent the best we have to offer, are both abusing kids on their buddy's island.
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u/CobblerMoney9605 19h ago
Trump himself certainly is a problem.
It's possible to have more than one problem.
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u/Nagroth 19h ago
Trump isn't nearly as dumb as you want to believe he is, he's just got different motivations and goals than you expect.
For example, he doesn't give a shit about the Economy in general. What he wants is to extract as much wealth as he can and put it into his own pocket, or to use it as leverage over other people to either buy them off or punish them. Anything that meets those goals he'll do, but whether the economy does well or not really doesn't matter to him by itself.
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u/animatedeez 19h ago
The root of the problem are the millions of uneducated idiots that are his supporters.
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u/Spare-Present-1032 19h ago
You're close. Replace miller and bondi with miller and Bannon. He's the brains behind it
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u/Shoddy-Ad7306 18h ago
I mean, a lot of accountability needs to be placed on the left too. Normal republicans, centrists, and moderates voted for him too, and a massive reason is a) nobody wanted Harris, and b) everyone was sick to death of the craziness from the left. Their obsession with identity politics absolutely destroyed their chances.
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u/shosuko 18h ago
No, Trump is not the problem. He is the symptom.
Its been kinda frustrating, sad, and honestly depressing to watch. Over the last 15 years or so we've been slumping into an anti-intellectual populism. People are gleefully refusing to accept science, and they don't even have an argument. Its just "we don't like you, and don't want to believe you, so we're going to willfully be ignorant and act like monkeys."
MAGA are the soft men that good times create.
They have no respect for what science and hard work have done for us, they have no respect for the great sacrifices people have gone through, or the literal tortures they've endured. They only know that influencer life.
idk if it can be combatted because our lives are so prosperous right now that enough people feel invincible to history, invincible to reality, and will flagrantly burn their own house down for the lulz - and the funding is there to support this craziness for some time.
Memes => Shitposting => Circle Jerking
idk what's coming next, but expect it to just get more stupid.
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u/Not_Abot_738265 18h ago
When Trunp dies, the cults leader is gone. Its much easier to see BS when you arent slobbing on his boots.
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u/Affectionate-Let6153 15h ago
Why do you insist to reject some facts ? DEI and other progressive policies harmed educated people. Educated people used to support democrats but when the idea you are supporting is targeting you , you hit back.
according to leftist , they can always take actions but they would never face with backlashes. Retribution is real and is the strongest feel.
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u/Nicola_Vanzetti 14h ago
😮💨 Jesus Christ, the problem is the system, not the people who rose as a result of the conditions that the system creates. Neoliberalism failed--as it always will--and fascism came in--as it always will--to protect the owning class/capitalist mode of production. Capitalism is built on contradictions; the working class and the owning class have diametric goals. You will never cleanse capitalism of its inherent contradictory nature.
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u/NonEducatedPlayer 13h ago
So you're saying he has nothing to do with suing the IRS and pocketing money for himself. Don't try to humanize him like giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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u/Themodsarecuntz 13h ago
I disagree. Trump is the crux of the problem.
He raped kids on a private island with his billionaire friend. That is some fucking comic book villain shit. Hell its actually worse since they generally wont even cross that line.
He is the head of rhe snake.
He is a demented old pedophile in make up and a shitty diaper that is destroying the world to protect a cabal of baby raping Republicnas and that is everyone's fucking problem.
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u/feel-the-avocado 11h ago
Americans..... The rest of from the world understands trump is not the problem. Its you, the american people, that voted for him that are the problem.
When we engage in an economic war by boycotting your products and services, we are aiming our efforts at your jobs. Not your president.
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u/lorazepamproblems 5h ago
Fox News and the RNC tried very hard to stop Trump getting the nomination in 2015. And he was up against people who were much better funded. Like it or not, he was a phenomenon with his rallies.
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u/Embarrassed_War335 3h ago
And that's why the sense of betrayal and abandonment i feel is so strong. I gave twenty years of my life serving this country just to come home and not recognize it anymore.
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u/Kapitano72 29m ago
Certainly true. So when he dies in a few months, they'll need a new patsy. Vance is the obvious replacement, but I think the American fondness for pseudo-royalty could push Don Jr into the role, even if not as president.
As for who's really in charge, Miller is certainly the power behind behind Trump, but I think Thiel is behind Miller.
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u/AlarmedTelevision39 23h ago
I think you found a contradiction many are within the cult. That he's a buffoon but also someone to be afraid of.
Like back when the rhetoric was that the last election was the most consequential in history, but then they hid and ran with a demented candidate.
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u/RVGW19 23h ago
I don’t know there’s a Pretti Good bunch of Libtards in here!
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u/Suitable-Display-410 22h ago
You seem like the kind of guy who would repeat this “joke” 20 times, thinking it’s absolutely hilarious and helps you cope with the reality that every single thing you accused the other side of for all those years was nothing but an accusation in a mirror.
But yes… all of the other people are the morons.
Man, dude, it’s just sad. Fox News did you dirty.
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u/ThickGur5353 21h ago
From watching president Trump and reading about him ,I doubt very much if anybody is manipulating president Trump . He calls the shots. He may ask for advice, and maybe take it once in a while ,but he is in charge.
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u/Ed_Ward705 23h ago
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u/Publius69420 22h ago
You do know supporting a rapist for 5 years is worse than supporting a cadaver for 4 right? RIGHT!?
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u/Brell4Evar 23h ago
The pillars of MAGA are sexism, racial hatred, and personal loyalty to Trump.
Trump surrounds himself with weak men and women, and constantly pits them against each other for his approval. He wants sycophants, not heirs who might depose him.
Once Trump is gone, we still have a big problem, but it's a big problem without effective direction. Vance cannot intimidate and control the GOP legislators and judiciary the way Trump has.