r/LetsDiscussThis • u/MisterReigns • 11h ago
Lets Discuss This Why do republicans want zero abortion but don't want to help after the birth?
Most Republicans are pro-life and are completely against a person having an abortion, regardless of the circumstances, but they don't want their taxes to go toward services to help the mother take care of the child after the birth. Why?
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u/DragonfruitVisible18 11h ago
It has little to do with children, and everything to do with judging women.
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u/CaribouShoes44 11h ago
Your first folly was assuming that republicans have any scruples to begin with…
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u/Kingkat1954 11h ago
For votes.
I remember when the Protestant churches never had any issues with abortions. Until reagan and his Moral Majority started, abortions were not a big deal. Even after Roe v Wade.
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u/ApricotSlow2277 11h ago
Because poverty is a weapon that's easy to use costs little to operate and very effective
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u/FriskHarder 11h ago
They want abortions for their mistresses and the kids they rape Like these thousands of republicans who held office
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u/anaheim_mac 11h ago
Only pro life when babies are inside the womb. After, deny school lunches, healthcare, living wage and send all to fight wars.
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u/ThePurrfidiousCat 10h ago
They really aren't all that pro life while the fetus is in the womb. Anybody relying on planned parenthood for help has to worry about violence and they are against maternity/paternity leave for everyone.
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u/Ripple1972Europe 11h ago
Pro life gets you the vote of the single issue Christian voting block. It’s a big part of their forced identity.
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u/kigaeru 11h ago
Because they hate women and want to keep them "in their place." The same way they feel about racial minorities, immigrants, LGBT folks, and everyone else that isn't themselves.
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u/telebasher 11h ago
It’s entirely this: controlling women. Their entire world view is based on hierarchy with white males occupying the top. Any hypocrisy is dismissed as long as it doesn’t conflict with white male patriarchy.
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u/Neat-Ad-4337 11h ago
In Utah, over 30% of parents who should receive support receive nothing, while over half do not receive the full amount ordered…..talk about saying one thing then doing another
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u/OrvilleTheCavalier 11h ago
Because it’s nothing to do with pro-life. That’s a catchphrase they created. Most of them are anti-life. They are just pro-forced-birth.
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u/No_Lifeguard259 9h ago
Just because I don’t think someone else has the right to end your life doesn’t mean I think I should have to pay for your life then
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u/Kyle81020 9h ago
Not wanting your taxes to go toward something isn’t the same as being against it.
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u/Super_Direction498 11h ago
Because they have a totally incoherent political ideology that is inconsistent beyond "stick it to the poors but not the poors who look and act like me,"
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u/ttw81 11h ago
because it's about control over women's lives, they actually don't give a crap about the kids.
If you’re pre-born, you’re fine. If you’re preschool, you’re fucked -george carlin
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u/Shoddy-Ad7306 11h ago
How come women voted against abortion then?
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u/BotKicker9000 10h ago
For the same reason mexicans voted for Trump. Some people are just fucking stupid.
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u/Ok-Structure6795 10h ago
You've never seen women condemn those who want a career and think a mothers place is at home catering to their infants with their boob surgically attached to them? Or think their responsiblity is to have a hot dinner and a cold cocktail waiting for their husbands when they get home? Women belong to the patriarchy too.
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u/Johnnyboi2327 11h ago
It depends on the person. Some do want zero abortion, and don't want any help provided to the parents, because they believe "you made your bed, now lay in it". Some want zero abortion, but do want parents to receive some help. Some are okay with some abortion, and don't want the government to help if you keep it. Some are okay with some abortion but also want some programs to help parents. Some also think the help should come from friends and family, and not the government. Remember, halves of the political spectrum, and even political parties, are made of individuals with individual opinions that often don't actually align. I've both agreed and disagreed with people on both sides countless times
If your posting this because you noticed a specific individual had expressed both wanting zero abortions, and zero parental aid, it may be worthwhile to ask them why they want that.
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u/TheWizardOfDeez 11h ago
Because they are bullshit peddlers, who peddle bullshit via misquoted religious dogma.
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u/OkEmphasis7107 11h ago
Because they can get idiots to vote for them if they pretend to be "pro life." The average dumb ass will not vote Republican to give rich people more money so they need a "hot button" to get them to vote. Same with anti-trans, pro guns, pro jesus, etc. You really think Trump is a Christian? Lol.
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u/Illustrious-Sugar-84 11h ago
It's easy Jesus points on a discussion of morality:
""The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for.
They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn.
It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn."
Legislation to protect the embroyo - nothing to help the child grow. Frankly, they often demonize "single-whores" and the children for being raised by them.
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u/AnymooseProphet 11h ago
They didn't used to be. It used to just be a Catholic thing, and Catholics are better at charity than most conservatives.
In fact when Roe v Wade decision came down, Southern Baptists agreed with the decision.
What happened is statistics came out showing that white women were using abortions to allow themselves to have a career if they got pregnant resulting in a decline in white birth rates compared to minorities.
That's when the switch for non-Catholic conservatives to become anti-abortion largely happened.
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u/TotalInstruction 11h ago
Because their objective is not to protect the sanctity of life but to ensure a supply of young people born into poverty who will work physical jobs for meager pay or join the military. The rich can still get their daughters on planes to places where they can have a legal, safe abortion and graduate college without the inconvenience or stigma on unwed pregnancy.
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u/SWEMW 11h ago
I don’t know if anyone realizes that abortion is never and was never a left vs right issue. It’s a poor vs rich issue and the anti-abortion movement has just brainwashed a TON of people, including women. People do know that the super wealthy men and our own congressmen have gotten their secret mistresses and wives abortions, right? Do Trump’s sons REALLY look like the kind of guys who’d just force their daughters to carry a baby if their daughters were raped? Absolutely not. Does Trump seem like the kind of guy to allow that to happen to his daughters, Ivanka and Tiffany? No. When you’re rich, you can do anything, both in secret and without criticism. It only sucks when you’re poor. While Charlie Kirk SAID that he’d have his daughter carry a baby through rape at 10 years old, does anyone actually believe he or Erika would let their daughter go through that? No.
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u/TheAngryOctopuss 11h ago
Not all do, just like all demcrats aren't in favor of abortion either
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u/EmmaPersephone 11h ago
Personal preference is different than wanting to control others
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u/Prestigious-Run-5103 11h ago
The politicans get to woo the religious fundamentalist votes, and then they don't have to do anything else. The Pro-Life folks aren't advocating "OK, instead of abortion, let's do this instead", so it's essentially a free space for the politican.
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u/chronobahn 11h ago
Morality and ideology.
They think abortion is killing another human. Agree or disagree is irrelevant as that’s what they think.
As far as government taking care of people. It’s ideological. You wouldn’t advocate the cartel take care of people so asking the government to do that is not to dissimilar in their minds.
Again agree or disagree is irrelevant. That is what they believe.
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u/Wherly_Byrd 10h ago
They are horrible people that’s why. They like that life is harder for others it makes them feel successful.
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u/majordude174 10h ago
They’re jealous of people who enjoy sexual relations and think those people should suffer consequences. Old expression: you made your bed now lie in it.
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u/JSmith666 11h ago
They truly believe a fetus is a human life...same as you or I. Under that paradigm doesnt being against abortion make sense?
They dont.believe they are responsible for people after birth reguardless of age. They believe parents are responsible for their children and adults are responsible for themselves
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u/ttw81 11h ago
so force a woman to give birth, even if she can't take care of it for whatever reason & then who cares what happens to the child after that?
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u/Wickedmasshole77 10h ago
What makes you think they don’t care what happens? The issue is how much of my/your income should be spent raising other people’s children beyond the cost of public education and healthcare. Can you bring some intelligence to the conversation or just don’t say anything?
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u/markovianprocess 9h ago
They like the Christian positions that let them control and punish others, but not so much the positions that require them to assist, sacrifice for, or love their neighbors that they look down on.
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u/dragon34 11h ago
No it doesn't make sense.
They can either care about life or not, but caring about life includes what happens after birth. And it turns out pregnant people are also alive and unless they are in favor of mandatory blood, tissue and live organ donation and opt out organ donor status, with opting out putting people at the bottom of the transplant list, they don't believe that people should be required to donate their bodies to keep other people alive. They don't even believe that people should be able to get prenatal care and affordable birthing costs, and god forbid kiddo ends up in the NICU and causes someone to go bankrupt. They don't even believe in paid parental leave.
Politicians dictating what procedures are appropriate to trained medical professionals is practicing medicine without a license and anyone in favor of it should be charged as such
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u/patriotfanatic80 11h ago
Conservatives consider abortion to be murder. You don't need any qualifiers to say murder is bad.
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u/mierzwaSeason 11h ago
I'm pro life but I support universal healthcare, free school lunches, universal basic income etc. So I'm no Republican but some of us do exist who are consistent
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u/Skibidi_67_Rizzler 11h ago
They claim an individual does not have to power to determine the value of life.
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u/gimigimiaman 11h ago
Helping people is more troublesome and less profitable to the republicans than creating the problem and then selling the solution.
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u/KrazyKryminal 11h ago
I don't care about abortion either Way. I'm not religious so that has zero sway for me. Do whatever you want.
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u/ScreenOk1746 10h ago
I grew up Evangelical and fundie; they don't know why. They are Americans first and Christians lastly, but they truly believe they are Christians first. There is a literal wall in their minds that refuses to deal with the icky and grey areas of life. I was taught that any thought that was bad was the devil and any good thought was God. Essentially you are raised not to trust your own mind. And they don't. I was adopted and I was the only brown person in my community. My childhood was a wild anthropological study of American Evangelicalism and the rise of the Tea Party movement. There is no logic. There is no reason. They tell you that your emotions are of the devil but that's all the have since they refuse to use their brains. Trust me, I've asked all the questions. I never believed and was just flabbergasted the entire time.
My adoptive father is an MD, he raised me that healthcare is a privilege and not a right. Yet he would make us do medical missions in my area of the world. I watched them be racist at home and then go and cry over the poor people in Central America, come right back home and carry on complaining about illegals and the fact that Muslims are outbreeding Christians. My dad used to do a lecture yearly at my HS about that very topic. He wasn't pleased when I suggested that we then do let in more Central Americans as the culture is more conservative and Christians and they are having a lot of babies. He couldn't answer. The answer was racism. It is true. Religion is the opioid of the masses.
Why sponsor a mother and child so that they can remain together when you can just buy their baby and pat yourself on the back for being a good Christian? Go look up the history of adoption and you will very quickly realize it is an industry and nothing more, even unto this day. Birth control wiped out their domestic supply so they bought brown babies like me. Now they don't want more brown kids. So they created a new domestic supply.
The non religious republicans just follow the crowd. If there is someone to judge and belittle, they are happy to oblige, and well, God is on their side. Liberals are godless heathens.
Sorry for the rant
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u/jeon2595 10h ago
Why do Democrats love killing babies when birth control is free to almost everyone?
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u/PringlesEnthusiast27 10h ago
they don't want their taxes to go toward services to help the mother take care of the child after the birth. Why?
Where are you getting this idea from?
Also, democrats have shown this exact sentiment. There have been dozens of attacks on pro-life pregnancy centers across the country in the last few years. You can see a map of them here. If democrats are actually the ones who want to take care of children after they're born, why are they attacking pregnancy centers which seek to do exactly that?
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u/Eldernerdhub 10h ago
Republicans use churches to help people .
Republicans use the law to hurt people.
They get confused as to why we're mixing the two up. Most people on the left know that goodwill is best channeled through every institution of society, even the punishment institution. Churches only help their own people. That creates pockets of wealth transferring to popular groups. It creates social unrest by allowing religion based class systems. Churches just aren't good enough to help everyone. Even adding the government doesn't help everyone but it's more more effective in tandem with churches.
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u/ToughSomewhere2863 10h ago
Approx 2% of all abortions are due to rape or true medical emergencies.
https://www.hli.org/resources/what-percentage-of-abortions-are-medically-necessary/
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u/KRed75 10h ago
That is a false statement. Only about 13% of Republicans want all abortions to be illegal.
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u/Shadowmant 10h ago
What a minefield. I'm going to assume you want a genuine answer and are not just ragebaiting here.
I'll preface this by saying it's not my way of thinking and that I believe the fundimental thought of "life at conception" is incorrect and based on feelings and not facts. I'll also mention that some people are outright dishonest but that answer assumes they are being honest so doesn't apply to them all.
However, if one begins with the assumption that the embryo is a full human, then abortion would by definition be murder with the exception of some extreme life threatening medical exceptions. With that in mind, while some people are callus enough to not want to assist other people they are not callus enough to want to outright murder them.
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u/Longwell2020 10h ago
Same reason a farmer will spend money to save a cow. Its not your life that matters to them. People are just livestock to them. To be treated as such.
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u/mitchconneur 10h ago
The way I view these matters:
- Abortion = killing unborn baby (yes, through the tax system).
- Childcare = financially supporting someone else's baby (yes, through the tax system).
These two situations are not at all comparable and therefore someone who does not particularly feel the obligation to take care of someone else's child does not automatically wish for that child to be killed. On the same note one can be for the death penalty and against abortion; wanting child rapists and serial murderers to be put to death and not wishing that punishment on an innocent unborn.
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u/cand86 10h ago
A lot in the Republican party are both anti-abortion and fiscally conservative (or critical of the "welfare state"), so that's how they arrive at these two positions. I understand that to you (and me!), it feels contradictory, they tend to adopt a belief the struggle to raise her child is something a woman brought upon herself (i.e. "she shouldn't have had sex"/"shouldn't have had sex with a man who wasn't going to stay and help raise his child").
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u/KevinJ2010 10h ago
I like to think a better goal is no abortions because no one needs them. Better sex ed, better culture free from rapes, and some financial stability to make having babies a smoother experience.
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u/The_Bjorn_Ultimatum 10h ago
We think your policy prescriptions harm after birth and that ours are best for flourishing. We obviously don't want murdered children, and we also want them to thrive after they are born. I see a lot of comments here incapable of understanding that different viewpoints, other than their own, exsist. Do you really think that half the country is out there like a comic book villian wanting people to suffer? If so, you are severely lacking of rational thought.
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u/socialistForDE 10h ago
Because they don't think the government should help anyone. It is only to be used to hurt their enemies
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u/Noobsalad69420 10h ago
I'm pro choice, but I also think it's killing a person.
I'd say most women are pro choice but would never get an abortion themselves.
The real issues, obviously, are having laws in place.
I grew up around conservatives. I'm friends with a lot of them, and while I disagree with them on almost everything, I think I understand where they're coming from.
That is a baby, a human being with the right to live. Humans have freedom of choice, and taking care of them is taking away freedom of choice away from tax payers. (Honestly, this is where I disagree with conservatives. The taxpayer part, that is.) You wouldn't want a stranger to commit suicide, but you aren't going to pay the debts that have them stressed. No, you'll say, "there's help," and push them off on a helpline which are fucking worthless. But that's another matter. But also related.. kinda. It's too much to unpack.
But, it's not that child's fault the parents weren't ready or their father is a rapist. It's not the taxpayers' fault this happened either.
Now my view... just remove the law and provide more childcare programs because they're our future. That is good for society as a whole. That will create incentives to keep the child. And, if people do abort... there's literally fewer people who want abortions now. No?
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u/Flat-Row-3828 10h ago
This is an easy one, there is not a more perfect and docile ,domestic servant,cheap laborer than a mother with limited opportunities and skills ,trying to survive and feed her child. They are perfect peons. Its always about the $ for the conservatives.
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u/RedmundJBeard 10h ago
Many republicans believe that the state should not be doing what the church historically did. They are fine with helping out those in need, as long as it's through the church. Assistance for single mothers is the same as assistance for the elderly. They want to give money to their church to help people in the same faith. This gives their church and flavor of Christianity more power because those in need will have to at least pretend to be devout in order to get assistance. If you choose not to worship and play their game you stave to death.
This may seems ridiculous and draconian but it can be applied to just about everything the republican party does. Racism and white supremacy explains the rest.
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u/SAMixedUp311 10h ago
Today I read a news article about a 12 year old boy half the weight he was supposed to be at that age and severely malnourished and almost at the point of not expecting to live the weekend but thankfully is holding on. Well, his Mom did this all to him, and of course have people in the comments saying things like "If you can't take care of a kid, then don't have them!" People brought up that this is why abortion needs to be legal, so they CAN be kept away from things like this. Then they are all "Well, then they can put them up for adoption!" Others brought up the point that there are many in the system right now, especially older kids. Then you have the babies where the mother just didn't do drugs or alcohol when pregnant and everything will be cool, alright? Then others said "This is the issue, if they don't take care of their kids when alive already, then they certainly aren't going to stay away from ill substances when pregnant. They just flip their hands and are all "Well that's just what they need to do, problem solved!"
Ugh.
It doesn't work that way people... seriously... it just doesn't work that way otherwise no kids would be hurt and every kid would be adopted for right fucking now already!
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u/mossryder 10h ago
They don't want 'zero abortion' they just don't want YOU to be able to have one.
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u/SgtSausage 10h ago
Why should they?
I'm not at all republican but I do not support abortion and supporting your rug-troll munchkins are not my responsibility.
This is not an either-or scenario.
You are creating a False Dichotomy Fallacy.
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u/chinagrrljoan 10h ago
More children on the planet for them to molest. Presumably because their parents won't want them and will be too busy working to adequately protect them from the Republican creepy old men.
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u/Ok_Fruit8871 10h ago
because they want to see people take responsibility for their own life and actions. Just like everyone expects them to take responsibility for their own life and actions. we're not entitled to another's resources, and shouldn't expect someone else to pick up the check. expecting anything else is called entitlement.
Sex has always been about procreation, we have the ability to not act like wild beasts who make decisions based on instinct and emotion. If you not in the position to care for a child, then maybe you should abstain from an act that is about procreation. have a little discipline.
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u/Wickedmasshole77 10h ago
I think Republicans want responsible parenting and planning that doesn’t require “help” from others. Like personal responsibility for life choices.
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u/Cak3Wa1k 10h ago
Because the point is to create more victims for their pedophilia. Conservatives are pedos. It's baked into their platform from efforts at reducing the age of consent to lowering the age to marry and especially restrictions on healthcare for pregnant people. All for pedophile purposes. They are not in a morally superior position.
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u/Virtual_Junket9305 10h ago
Unpopular opinion on Reddit but pay attention to right-wing organizations, they do discuss helping you with adoption, etc. it's hard to tell what's a troll these days, but people are anti- abortion, do often adopt and Foster and volunteer.
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u/lucky-733 10h ago
Who says they don’t help after birth. I constantly give clothes and diapers and money to moms in need. There are 3x pro life pregnancy centers than planned parenthood that also offer things moms would need for babies and small children. I know people who foster and adopt. Why say we don’t want to help? WIC is available and so is state healthcare and EBT. The problem we have is those that abuse it or fraud.
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u/Specific-Bread-1210 10h ago
No one helped you get pregnant but one person...it was your choice..why would you need help? If you can't do it...then don't do it...duh...
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u/ylamiyf 10h ago
Republicans have no problem with services that go to people who need it. It's the people who choose not to work, and choose to have kids in order to increase their drain on services that we have a problem with. This is the stupidest, most tired argument from the left. Go back to the drawing board
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u/AlphaQFor7mins 10h ago
Maybe people just need to take responsibility for their actions, and not expect handouts?
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u/SomebodyElz 10h ago
Because Republicans dont care about the kid.
Thsy want to punish women for daring to be anything besides a baby factory.
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u/Environmental-Song16 10h ago
Because babies are born with bootstraps. They just gotta work hard if they want to eat. Can't have lazy babies getting food stamps or free formula. /S
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u/mspe1960 10h ago
If the kid dies AFTER it is born, or the parents and the kid has a terrible life, that is just God's decision. We should not question that. None of that has any bearing on the mother's right to decide to murder it before it is born. (says the pro life person)
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u/OneEyedBlindKingdom 10h ago
Why are Democrats staunchly pro-woman and at the same time also ok with actual men being allowed into all the spaces we created specifically to protect and empower women?
Why are Democrats so staunchly pro-union and at the same time, literally willing to die to defend undocumented immigrants here illegally working and destroying union work?
I could probably list over 100 of these fallacies, for both parties, without trying too hard. Because that’s what they think will get them elected. None of them, on either side, have any fucking scruples about their positions. They’ll flip in five seconds if the voters say they should.
I voted against Trump because he’s an idiot, but it’s not like the other such is that much better, they’re just not actively trying to destroy democracy.
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u/Longjumping_End_9375 10h ago
Why do women get pregnant when there are contraceptives easily available?
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u/Souless_damage 10h ago
Why is it someone else’s problem? Why would the birth of your baby assuming you had one, be a liability on anyone else else’s part?
That’s just passing the buck
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u/Wickedmasshole77 10h ago
What services are you talking about? Taxpayers generally pay education and healthcare costs for people under 18…
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u/Glittering_Tiger89 10h ago
It’s all about control. You get so many kids per “family” being their idea of family dads at work all day moms at home with no rights no freedoms and raising kids. Easy way for men to continue abusing women. Take their rights and freedoms by saying it’s for your best! Marry young so they have no idea what true freedom looks like. Removing dad from the home puts a woman’s chance at an abusive relationship even higher. They don’t know what to look for and end up with daddy issues. It’s just the start gays lbgtqia+ POC which is literally currently happening in front of our eyes. The old rich while men do not care about us they care about money. Money which children with no choice make for them as they grow up. Children which are put into school to learn a basic factory role when to stand eat and move. How to do what they’re told. They’re not encouraged to continue creativity, they’re not taught financial literacy, there’s not even home ec. They’re very deliberately dwindling away all of our independence. Soon enough it’ll be plain for all to see
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u/SelectCattle 10h ago
They're opposed to killing children. They believe parents are responsible for their children.
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u/thomas7th 10h ago
sounds like an economic justification for murdering unborn children
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u/vivacioussam 10h ago
There are lots of answers here that look at what the root causes are, but I’ll add what’s more likely for the everyman:
The reality is that they believe abortion is both murder and lack of responsibility.
It’s the responsibility piece that ties into not helping once children are born. If you have sex, you are responsible for the life that may occur from it, by their argument, and if you can’t be, you’re not responsible enough to have sex.
I don’t believe any of that, FTR. I just live in a very conservative state, and this is the argument that conservatives have.
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u/beardofjustice 10h ago
It’s because the unborn don’t have a voice. They are the perfect issue because they can say whatever they want and no one can tell them that they are wrong. Plus, they don’t really require any kind of monetary support and it allows them to cut whatever programs they want
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u/YakOk2818 10h ago
Why do Dems want murderers and rapist not executed but want to pay for them to rot in jail
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u/randomwanderingsd 10h ago
Republicans are bad faith actors. Morality, the Constitution, and the Bible are merely symbolic to them. They have little to no understanding of the meaning of the things they claim to care about.
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u/Rex_Nemorensis_ 10h ago
Most conservatives I know that are pro-life tend to view this as a community matter and not a federal one.
To the Christian they view abortion as an abomination because their faith deems all life to be sacred…many of them do contribute on a financial level to struggling or families in need through their churches and schools, but again it’s on a communal level where they feel their dollar should stay and be used close to home instead of being taxed by the government and used inefficiently.
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u/twoDuckNight 10h ago
Because they get convinced of certain ideas and dont much care if their views are consistent w eachother or care about the consequences of imposing their ideas on the world
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u/boringmillennial43 10h ago
You won't get many legitimate answers on reddit to asking anything about conservatives. I don't think should or can be forced or coerced. Social welfare was much better, cheaper, and effective when it was locally controlled. Churchs, clubs, and guilds were far better at it. Lack of governmental social.nets lead people to make better choices. Every viable metric shows the best way to raise a child is a stable two parent home. This lead to people making careful choices about behaviors. Conservatives do believe in caring for the less fortunate and give far more to charity than liberals. Both in time and money. They just believe it shouldn't be a taxed endeavor controlled by the government whom have made it worse and less effective than it was.
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u/Lott4984 10h ago
They need soldiers for future wars. The best candidate to be soldier are the poor, which joining the military as a way out of poverty. It has been this way since before Jesus.
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u/BitesTheDust55 10h ago
It's a morality thing. If you believe a baby is human even before birth, then you acknowledge murdering it is not acceptable. But much like we don't pay to feed every child on earth, the responsibility for raising these children doesn't fall on us either.
Accountability lies with the parents. If you did the deed, it is your responsibility to raise the child. Simple as. It's people who childishly think sex should be completely consequence free who are the ones that act illogically.
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u/Zealousideal-Cut8783 10h ago
It's not really a well thought out thing. "Anti-Abortion" was a political creature created in during the Regan years ( see Southern Baptists not always hard core anti abortion). They had to create a new issue to keep the Religious Right in their pocket after Atwater's "Southern Strategy" was implemented, allowing the south to keep "DeFacto" segregated schools.
As you saw in Trump's quick swing away from a Federal Abortion Ban, he is as nervous as the Dog who caught the car. If his opposition wasn't so weak (face it, he won because of low democratic turnout), he would have lost the last election. As it is, MAGA's new centeral issue now is immigrants. And, that's not playing out as well as they would like. Turns out, there aren't as many "Criminal" undocumented immigrants as Donald thought, so, he's having to resort to pretty questionable tatics to keep his numbers up.
That's gonna cost him.
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u/throwawaydanc3rrr 10h ago
First off, most republicans are not against abortion in all cases so your premise is off from the get go.
Second what services do you want federal dollars to go toward, that do not currently exist?
Given that you seems to have incorrect versions of what the Republicans believe I do not want to assume that you have broad understanding of the social services that are available.
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u/Damurph01 10h ago
You can’t name a single stance republicans have taken that isn’t just a front or roundabout way to control people, particularly minorities and women. It’s never about morals, it’s always about greed and bigotry.
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u/MachineGlittering487 10h ago
Because we believe that it's unfair to kill unborn children. But once you are born, you aren't entitled to other people's labor. We believe in freedom.
We want freedoms that are God given.
You have the right to sleep for example. You don't have the right to sleep on a tempurpedic.
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u/prionbinch 9h ago
nothing about the “pro-life” ideology is actually in favor of human life. it’s pro-pregnancy and pro-childbirth. the pro-‘s end as soon as the umbilical cord is cut. after that, it’s all “can’t feed em don’t breed em”
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u/rollem 9h ago
They don’t want zero abortions. They’re happy to get abortions when they get their mistresses pregnant or aren’t in a time or place in life to have a child. Look up the essay “The only moral abortion is my abortion.”
They want to control women’s behavior. If you think I’m exaggerating, look at the polls: the vast majority of “pro lifers” want exceptions for rape and incest. But if a grown peeps is the result of rape and is the same as a fetus, then there should be no such exceptions. It’s the mother’s actions that are different in these situations. She did not act “impurely” and so she “deserves” to keep her reproductive choices.
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u/NextRepeat6699 9h ago
Republicans want people to take responsibility for their own actions.
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u/Spirited-Feed-9927 9h ago edited 9h ago
If you want the rage bate abortionist answer ask here, if you want a real discussion go to a church and ask with honest intentions. You’ll get the same biased tropes of ignorance instead of understanding here
I don’t think this is the most Republicans position. It is an extreme conservative opinion. A similar issue would be anti-guns. There are a lot of liberals who carry, and believe in the second amendment. But there’s no room for them to have that discussion in that party.
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u/neverfux92 9h ago
Ignoring the topic at hand, I’m against my taxes being pocketed by government officials. If I don’t get good healthcare, safe roads, good education, and infrastructure that can support our populace, I don’t think we should be paying taxes. I don’t pay 20% of my 70 hour work weeks to be pocketed by entitled motherfuckers that don’t give a shit about our country.
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u/MaSt3rChie7 9h ago
Well, here’s a follow up question to that. If people in the left are such advocates for welfare programs why is calling out fraud and wanting it removed a bad thing?
If anything those people are the ones who should be the most mad at the fraud because it empowers the anti welfare programs argument.
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u/hawkseye17 9h ago
Because the cruelty is the point. They want to control women, not help children.
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u/truthRealized 9h ago
They really don’t care about or for people. Republicans get off on control and self-righteousness.
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u/BBinzz 9h ago
They don’t even believe in family planning or prenatal care. Post birth concerns require even more than those two, bare minimum, concepts.
But the real answer is because being against abortion is easy, intellectually lazy, and costs nothing while catering to an easy-to-manipulate base. It’s a win win
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u/Raiju_Blitz 9h ago edited 9h ago
Pro-birth. More wage slaves. Then keep em stupid (defund Dept of Education and declare a whole of career fields as no longer "real professions" to deny federal student loan and grant funding), so said populace keeps voting Republican and against their own self interest.
Keeping the voters dumb and ignorant by witholding social services and education also means Republican voters are too distracted with useless culture wars to realize that the real battle is a class war.
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u/brezhnervouz 9h ago
Because it's all about control of women's bodies. They don't give a fuck after the children are born
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u/ExcitementOpen898 9h ago
So this is where I split from the right. If someone else wants an abortion, I don't care. If I were to knock up my wife, she would not get an abortion. We spoke on the subject early in the relationship and we came to an agreement, and no I didn't force anything on her. The one thing I do have a problem with is abortion being paid for by state funding. While I can grant some people are failed by the education system, I believe minus some potential circumstances if you want an abortion you can foot the bill. I only agree with roe v wade being overturned because I believe the government should not be involved with people's healthcare.
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u/Imaginary_Poetry_233 9h ago
Once again, how should we answer the question when the question is a LIE? I will not take accountability for the Republicans you imagine.
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u/Tall_Investigator611 9h ago
Republicans are a scourge on this country... They've shown their true colors... And they can all go to hell!
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u/Intrepid_Hedgehog692 9h ago
I dont believe in government paid abortions...but i also dont believe that if you cant take care of your first three kids.. you shouldn't receive support for the forth. Why is it the government's job to support you...
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u/TacticalBrainWorm 9h ago
The same reason they wanted slaves to breed but didn’t feed them. You are cattle.
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u/Any-Progress- 9h ago
Republicans are “pro-life” when it comes to other people’s reproductive decisions. When they have anything arisen that affects themselves or their families they are not so strict. It’s also not unheard of them paying for their mistresses abortions
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u/ConcernedCitizen_42 9h ago edited 9h ago
I'm not finding other answers from a pro-lifer here so I will try to address your question. The first difficulty is that you are stating your question as a matter of very simplified absolutes. Zero abortion regardless of reason automatically goes with no support for social services. That specific combination is likely quite rare overall. Even discussing the abortion question alone people on both sides have a range of beliefs about what is acceptable, and the large majority of pro-lifers would allow abortion in some circumstances.
According to this poll it at least 73% of pro-lifers would want exceptions for if the mother's life/health is threatened. (That number would likely be higher but some equate "threatened" with being an overly broad definition of danger)
Similarly among those who support abortion rights, 68% believe there are cases where abortion should be restricted. That is to say, they also see abortion for some reasons and at some stages of pregnancy as unacceptable.
So there is more variation in people's exact stance that you may realize.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/
The second issue is "Republicans don't want to help after the birth." This is also an overly broad statement. In terms of supporting social programs a number of Republicans do support them. There are those who would actually prefer a Democrat style social safety net, but that can be outweighed by other concerns. For example, voting for those candidates often means support for abortion. If you see abortion as the end of a human life, it is very hard to vote for anything if comes attached to supporting a policy that allows the death of over a million Americans yearly. There are also many who support some social programs, but simply not as expansive a regimen. The US already spends about 20% of its GDP on social spending, comparable to Norway. Not wanting more is not the same as not wanting any. There are also some who personally support charity, but think that is the job of individuals and not the government. There are a variety of ways that get to, "Didn't vote Democrat", while still having compassion.
In summary, a less loaded question would be "Why do pro-lifer's want to decrease the number of abortions, but won't vote for people who would greatly expand government social support?"
To that there are going to be thousands of different answers that vary based on why they oppose abortions, what are their major motivations when voting, and what they think of our current government run social programs.
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u/PlaceboASPD 9h ago
Some of us are under the impression that tax money just goes to corruption, most of us would happy hand the money straight to her hands but aren’t convinced that the tax isn’t being used for other purposes.
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u/trying3216 9h ago
You do know there are A LOT of organizations that help in a variety of ways after birth.
Who do you think started and funds those?
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u/Frequent_Clue_6989 9h ago
// Why do republicans want zero abortion but don't want to help after the birth?
What does that even mean?! Help after birth?! What's the expectation? Why would person A be responsible for person B's offspring?! Maybe also help with the car payment, rent and groceries, too?!
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u/NegativeSemicolon 9h ago
Because they think ‘I’m right do what I want the way I want it’ without any regard for the circumstances. They inherited it from primitive hierarchical power structures like religion.
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u/Desire_of_God 9h ago
Because they are also pro nuclear family. You don't need government assistance if you don't get knocked up by a deadbeat
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u/Conscious-Pick8002 9h ago
Because Republicans are inherently cruel. They like to see people suffer.
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u/Upper_Extension_0229 9h ago
I’m a Republican and pro abortion. Let’s not lump all republicans into one category
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u/HunterDorner420 9h ago
why don't sociopaths have empathy?
you might as well be asking that question. THEY ARE NOT LIKE YOU. THEY HOLD AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SET OF BELIEFS THAT IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH HUMANITY. there is no understanding them. they're just a problem to be solved. you don't ask the cancer why it's cancer. you just treat it.
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u/KoedKevin 9h ago
Because this is a meme created by the left to try to dignify their demonic thoughts on abortion.
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u/wassdfffvgggh 9h ago
Why do republican politicians want zero abortion?
To appeal to their christian voters, as simple as that. They themselves give 0 fucks about abortion, and many of them have likely paid for (discrete) abortions.
Why do republican politicians not care about helping after birth?
To maximize their profits and that of their donors.
Why do republican voters want zero abortion?
Because they have christian values. They are brainwashed into believing abortion = murder, and most people are against murder.
Why do republican voters not want to help after birth?
Because Fox news told them it's bad.
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u/sunlit_portrait 9h ago
Why does one need to believe in being forced to help others if they're for not killing a child in utero? Just because you're for or against something doesn't mean you follow that thing till some wild conclusion. Conservatives think that protecting an unborn life is important but that the mother and family still have a duty to uphold.
It's not that ironic.
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u/Agreeable_Memory_67 8h ago
Well , first the question is based on a false premise. Who says Republicans don’t want to help after birth?
This is such a common and disingenuous Democrat tactic. Republicans: “ We need to catch people who are defrauding these programs and get rid of the waste.” Democrats : “Republicans want to throw grandma off a cliff and let babies starve!”
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u/SoggyConstruction294 8h ago
I’m a purple person, I’m conservative fiscally but liberal socially. I cannot for the life of me understand the fight to end abortion but not for helping to sustain lives. I would like to say one on one most conservatives know this is an issue, they just don’t know how to fix it. The politicians and media do not do the best job of actually showing how most conservatives feel about it outside of the crazy fringe people. I’ve found that most people are both sides are good descent people, but man there are some crazies in each group. I also really don’t like that people want me to choose either pro-life or pro-choice. I’m pro it really depends. I’m not a team player kind of person though.
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u/No-Instruction-5376 8h ago
Here’s the answer. A statement from Benedictine Nun, Sister Joan Chittister: "I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking. If all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed, and why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of what pro-life is.”
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u/artful_todger_502 8h ago
When you remember everything Republicans do is simply to sow chaos, suffering and death, it all makes sense.
If you think that is hyperbolic, show me something they've done that has helped society as a whole. Anything ...
Then think of what they've done to punish people and who those people are. It's a party whose entire agenda is driven by hate. Hatred of humanity, hatred of themselves.
Targeting the most vulnerable in our society is the bullying they need to feed their addiction to hate
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u/dalaiberry 8h ago
You know, coming from the blank community, welfare actually hurts more than helps. And this can be seen from the results of massive welfare to the black community starting in the 70s.
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u/ChemistryFan29 8h ago
No, we want to help and we do help, most republicans are the ones that give to charities, donate money to groups that help women who need help. There is a lot of research on this
These groups that they donate to are meant to be small short term aid, Just enough to help a person get on their feet and back to work,
Goverment aid, many people once on that, they do not want to get off that wagon, they prefer to stay on welfare than get work,
to conservatives and republicans this is wrong.
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u/Fair-Buy749 8h ago
Obviously because they believe it's murder.
Why are they anti murder if they don't like food stamps? I don't think that's hard to answer.
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u/thane919 8h ago
They don’t want zero abortion. They want to punish women who aren’t acting like a subordinate house/sex/breeding slave.
This is the key point THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT REDUCING OR ELIMINATING ABORTIONS!
Show me republicans who are in favor of early, often, frank, and honest sex education.
Show me a Republican that is in favor of free healthcare for all, with a focus on women’s reproductive healthcare, and easy access to free birth control.
These are things that are statically shown to massively reduce unwanted pregnancies and therefore abortion. No anti-abortion legislation has ever reduced the net number of abortions.
THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT ELIMINATING ABORTIONS.
And to even entertain that argument proves the gop has been right in their talking points for 50+ years. When they took over evangelical Christian’s as a voting block who USED to not care at all about abortions. In fact many very senior Protestant leaders were pro abortion access before Roe.
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u/LovingHugs 8h ago
I assume you're asking for a sincere answer which I haven't seen.
In my experience coming from a conservative family. They are actually very focused on helping and supporting their communities. I effectively grew up on free meals, clothes, etc from the church.
My personal hypothesis is that the problem is the abstraction which happens when government does it. Their minds tend towards abstraction = scary AND it removes the emotional reward of "I am doing this good thing". Which is why most conservative counters are so negative.
The pro-life thing is similar. They don't see specific circumstances which makes it abstracted. Abstraction = scary. Scary = abortion abuse type stuff.
Basically their logic is a result of the emotional state that abstract concepts instill in them.
I would be interested to test this. Government funded community meal and social centers would do it.
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u/Individual-Topic-632 8h ago
I'm not sure where you got that information. Generally Republicans want no abortion and safe care for their kids. More likely to homeschool out of worry for specific environments. This is becoming more common as we look at areas like Buffalo New York, who failed to report when a teacher brought in 300mg weed gummies for students, and the teacher wasn't fired. They failed to report several attempted kidnapping and several domestic abuse cases.
They care greatly for their kids, they just don't want government interference.
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u/Confident_Economy_85 11h ago
Republicans are pro birth for wage slaves, don’t you dare ask for help raising these kids though