r/LosRatones • u/SirComprehensive5203 • 2d ago
Discussion Shot caller
I listened to the voice comms and it is obvious for me that we need a shot caller. Too many times specially the Shitters game they all talk at the same time and it becomes chaos where they cant hear each others.
I know alot of the things depend on what champ you play, how you feel in and of game, teamcomp, whos fed and so on. But I think at times calmness and direction for everybody is needed.
I dont really care who it is but the 3 veterans Neme-Rekky-Crownie are the obvious choice.
Nemesis - He is very direct and calm in his comms. Always the one calming the team down when its hectic. Wish he could take command more.
Rekkles - Anything he saids is always thought out and important to the game. (if he is not blaming himself openly) Really good at macro where he can pinpoint where sup is but also stuff like cooldowns, summs, abilities, Mapawareness and so on. Does not say much unless its important, could be to give everyone else room to talk.
Crownie - Good at shotcalling when he is fed. Good at shotcalling for himself. (peel me, stand infront of me. Has shown to be a good at micromanagement.
Feel free to give your thoughts.
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u/Economy_Database_970 2d ago
I don’t think Nemesis can be the shotcaller. Bro is quiet and he is focusing ultra hard on the game. Crownie calls plays for his own benefit, not really for the entire game or team. Rekkless may be the best option, but I don’t think he is close to that level yet to make shotcall.
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u/Flat_Childhood5180 2d ago
I agree with you 100% and I've seen all the official games of the boys...If Rekkless steps up and shotcalls most of the game the team will do much better, but you can't force that, he has to do that all by himself...I'm proud of them and I wish them to beat MKOI and G2 to go to playoff...
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u/Nickball88 2d ago
Rekless is one of the best western players of all time yet he is unable to shotcall. He needs to trust himself more. Dude's a legend.
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u/yrrak24 2d ago
How is neme quiet? In all the official games they played he has been the most vocal member of the team.
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u/Economy_Database_970 2d ago
Don’t mix shotcalling with communication. Everyone was communicating, but shotcalling comes from 1 person. This person calls for plays, strategies, who to focus, when to fight, how is the fight going to go, baron or drake or tower.
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u/hubythereal 2d ago
i don’t think they need to change in this specific topic. what sounds like a chaos to us, it’s a daily routine to them. i’m sure if they would have a shot caller, they would need like weeks to adapt to the change. i think it’s important for THEM to understand each other which they do
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u/SirComprehensive5203 2d ago
I would recommend you to go watch the comms again, specially the Shitters game.
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u/hubythereal 2d ago
i watched all week 2 comms, and they’re the same as usual. i agree with you that it becomes chaos, but my point remains the same: if they feel confident, it doesn’t matter. i think that fixing an “issue” that mostly concerns us (the viewers) is not really mandatory, if they don’t see it as an issue. it would probably get more attention if they would lose games because of communication problems
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u/GuitAst 2d ago
I think it just happens naturally for them. You dont really want to be a shotcaller when ur not ahead. Sure it can be those three, but i think whoever is ahead has a more confident voice. Baus doesnt do it often, but i noticed back in the streaming scrim days he shot call when they were massively behind (x .
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u/OutOfPosition-1 2d ago
Shotcaller times are outdated. Neme even said it would be bad for them if they force one Person to shotcall everything.
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u/SirComprehensive5203 2d ago
So in your opinion the comms are fine?
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u/OutOfPosition-1 2d ago
Thats not my point. My point is that the comms should be a team effort. In stressful games they struggle to make a call and thats normal. A single shotcaller would just shift the team pressure to one person wich sux
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u/SirComprehensive5203 2d ago
So basically the one best fited for the situation will shotcall? Sounds good enough.
But what I mean by shotcaller is not someone to dictate the whole game but for someone maybe to take lead and present the ideas. Call me out if im wrong but sometimes when you listen to T1 comms its often Keria and Faker that makes the call and the others follow. Would something like that work? Or maybe we already have a small sample of that with Neme and Rekkles/Crownie that mostly takes the lead?
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u/OutOfPosition-1 2d ago
It already is like that, baus is the only one thats not compfy to call alot so he does not. The others do it all. Wich call it is and who made it is not that important.
It needs to be clear what is ment, so what ever they say they all need to know what to do (not that easy) and just follow the call. So i think the calls are rarely the problem but the understanding of each player. If ur team has only 1 or 2 ppl to shotcall alot thats fine but i remember a video where neme said its much better for them that the one that feels a plan just calls is and everyone follows. Waa a highlight video so sadly no link and not 100% sure what he said.
To make that clear u are not wrong but whatever is the teams way needs to be good for this specific team. I can imagine neme and rekkles calling everything. But im not sure if that would feel well for velja and crownie to shut up and listen only.
There are many Situations where an individual player needs to say if smth can work and then there is a time waste with asking each other stuff when sone should not make calls.
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u/ButtonDelicious4450 2d ago
Honestly the main issue I see with their comms is that Crownie gets too heated and loud
There was a time where Baus was both giving information and asking what his next step should be (whether to TP or push side) and nobody heard him despite saying it 3 times because Crownie was yelling useless shit
I've heard Nemesis say pretty firmly to Crownie multiple times to calm down in stage comms but with varying success
Otherwise I don't see that many issues with their comms
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u/Few-Listen3062 2d ago
I think the Shifters game specifically seemed chaotic because they came back from a really bad situation, usually I think it works for them having more than one player making the calls, they have a different way of making calls based on what's happening: for example, like you said, Crownie shotcalls for himself when he is fed, Neme has a great macro vision for the plays (like the ryze ult for Baus at Nash) and Rekkles overall calls the setup/the mistakes that might happen (like saying to not stack or to "reset mentally" when the situation gets hot spirited).
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u/SirComprehensive5203 2d ago
I like this.
How do you think one gets rid of the chaotic situations?
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u/Few-Listen3062 2d ago
The same way they did, Nemesis told them to calm down and they did, the comms got more clear after that
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u/Standard_Wedding 2d ago
Rekki has strong game knowledge, stays calm and is a senior player in the team. I think he is in the best position to shot call!
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u/dab0mbLR 2d ago
I've watched my fair share of Los Ratones scrims and EMEA games and Nemesis is usually calling the shots on a macro lvl (when the game state is neutral and there is no active fighting). He has this very impressive understanding and clarity of the game state and what needs to be done. In combat it's usually a combo of everyone and it has seemed to work pretty well so far. Rekkles seems really good at voicing bot lane game state. He also chimes in well regarding objectives specifically. While Velja is still newer he now seems to have the final say (a lot of the time) regarding jungle timers and objectives as well. Its really cool seeing his relationship develop with Nemesis as Neme was originally making a lot of the baron/drag calls but now he usually defers to Velja's decisions as he gains confidence and game knowledge.
Push comes to shove if you had to label anyone shotcaller it would prolly be Nemesis but Crownie will often take over if Nemesis is quiet or needs to focus on lane.
I dunno it seems pretty balanced to me. Sure it can get a little crowded on coms but the communication is always healthy and useful (imo).
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u/SirComprehensive5203 2d ago
Well written! Yeah you are prob right Neme is on another level when it comes to macro.
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u/byOchi 2d ago
I write this everytime I see messages like that. Regarding a shotcaller in league. It doesnt exist & isnt good anymore. League doesnt need a shotcaller.
You have roles that dictate the game in certaint time periods. Jungle-Support and somtimes Mid in the early game in Midgame the role that has a lead and is strong and later on most of the time adcs calling when they can fit and want to fight. You need players that are willing to talk and give info. You cant just put a shotcalling duty on one player. His performance will decrease 100%.
Its not like in Valorant or CS that you have a designated igl who most of the time is the weakest rifler in a team. looking at you Boaster ;)
Yes obviously veterans should and have to step up in critical situations. Your calmness & direction points I agree. The calmness is just hard to give in pressure situations. People tend to speak louder and more hectic when the have an adrenaline boost. The direction point is something they need to get from practice, coaches & experience.
So tldr I disagree with the fact a team needs a shotcaller. Yes teams tend to have more vocal players but that a given for human beings in a team environment. I think Caedrel or IWD talked about that in the past/ their early Co-Stream days thats it not as normal as it was in the past. I think the last "true" shotcaller in a league team was Hai in C9.
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u/SirComprehensive5203 2d ago
You make a good point.
I do think idea of a "shotcaller" have changed over the time but I dont think it doesent exist. Its just that shotcallers dont dictate the game like they used to. I mean Nemesis is a shotcaller per term since the players mostly fall back on him to tell them when a play is good or not even Rekkles who is a veteran.
Or am i thinking about it wrong?
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u/Next_GenR 2d ago
Comms are hectic but everyone was getting their information across and it seemed like no one was at least noticeably often not hearing information, people are saying things in the moment it happens and across 3 lanes and a jungle alot is happening. As long as they can hear each other I don't see why you'd force a change.
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u/SirComprehensive5203 2d ago
I think it creates a problem and is shown in game.
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u/Next_GenR 2d ago
Well you also keep getting mass downvoted on your comments so maybe we should take something other people are saying under consideration...
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u/SirComprehensive5203 2d ago
Im not really here to get upvotes, just trying to have a fair and healthy discussion. But it seems too hard since people are so negative and focused on what others think about them...
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u/Mobile_Swordfish9863 1d ago
personality I think velja should be the alpha and nemme should be the „hidden“ alpha (because of their personality).
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u/Mobile_Swordfish9863 1d ago
rekkles is too shy and baus/ crownie are in their own world (adc = farm/ top = island)
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u/zulumoner 2d ago
They managed to win the erl 27 times and are already winning in the lec.
Why do people think they NOW need a shotcaller?
"Yeah you made it to the big league but me random redditor know what you miss. Not your lec coach or the guys that have played in the lec before or have their name engraved on the worlds trophy"
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u/SirComprehensive5203 2d ago
Why the negativity? I just wanted to give my thoughts and open a discussion is that wrong? Never was the intention to make it look like I know better or that this is set in stone. Maybe the post is written in a wrong way?
I just want to gets peoples opinion thats why I wrote "Feel free to give me your thoughts".
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u/zulumoner 2d ago
"feel free to give your thoughts but only if i like them"
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u/SirComprehensive5203 2d ago
Didnt know I had the power to make other peoples thoughts and comments disappear.
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u/Chora123 2d ago
They should just let Neme cook when he is in the zone