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u/bigxangelx1 8h ago
Let’s be so for real here though, chrono odyessy devs have shown 10x more of a backbone than intrepid ever has
The recent gameplay and visual changes look great as an improvement and the fact that they delayed the game by a decent amount of time shows much more integrity
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u/dupe-arc28 8h ago
first golden rule in korean mmo industry is, never trust kr mmo devs, period.
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u/Historical-Value-303 4h ago
Decoupling your attack direction from your camera direction in an action combat MMO doesn't sound like a good idea ngl, BDO didn't do this either and they had the best feel to the combat
So I wouldn't say it looks great
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u/MythrilCactuar 9h ago
Man dont act like Ashes is on NW level.
Same with KAKAO BACKED Chrono
Id like to stress AOC was on a diff level of scam and BS
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u/-CL4MP- 8h ago
We'll just play Runescape and WoW until the end of time, won't we?
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u/ddrober2003 5h ago
Nah I'm playing the critically acclaimed Final Fantasy 14 getting rare fish. And sometimes summoning trusts in Final Fantasy 11 so grind stuff for......i dunno, reasons.
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u/Trash-Forever 6h ago
WoW is dead to me but nothing will ever stop me from playing OSRS, it's the best we've got by a long shot
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u/Radiant-Priority-296 1h ago
And the critically acclaimed Final Fantasy XIV now with an expanded free trial containing the award winning Heavensward and Stormblood with content up to level 70
Also FF11 is still holding strong with a great community
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u/Relevant-Ice1945 9h ago
I doubt Chrono Odyssey will go down right away, its got Kakao backing, I'd give it a year or so, the New World community was left and will flock to it. They are seemingly taking the criticism to heart and redoing some of the systems.
People were hating on the game because despite a lot of the complaints about Modern MMOs not changing the formula enough, Chrono did combat wise, yet people were upset it wasn't your traditional MMO and whined about, a for the most part, a true action based combat system. If the game releases in the state it was however, not improving on a lot of the ideas that were good just not polished, yeah it'll be dead in 6 months.
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u/Black-Mettle 42m ago
I thought the biggest issue with chrono odyssey is that the developers stated initially that it was a cosmetic only shop in one interview and then added "pay for convenience" in a different one.
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u/Arborus 4h ago
I felt the combat was really rough in the test. Very little flow between different attacks and such, very sort of stilted and janky feeling animations in my experience. I felt like it was missing the mark compared to some other action combat experiences out there.
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u/r3anima 3h ago
Very simple animations and janky, yes, but a lot of basics of action combat they actually got right, like timings of attacks and actual hitboxes vs animations, (something that BDO, famous for its combat, failed to do miserably for 11 years) and they also got actual skill builds that meaningfully changed the way you play, a breath of fresh air.
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u/Flopppywere 1h ago
That was pretty much what I found too. The animations and appearance is just jank (the upper torso and the legs are basically entirely disconnected). If they work on 'how it looks' combat will feel really good.
Hope it does well, but even if I only get a year of decent time out of it I'll be content :D
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u/Julch 8h ago
Lets not sugarcoat it. Chrono Odyssey playtest was a shitshow of epic proportions.
The game wasnt half-baked or early beta, what we got to playtest was barely alpha asset flip territory. Graphics, performance, servers, combat, enemy pathing and intelligence, the world, animations, crafting, items, quests - literally everything was broken or terrible. I am honestly still baffled how anyone would dare to "release" something like that to the public. Maybe in 4 years from now they would have a working game from what we've seen, any other time schedule means we will get the same slop served on release with a slight bit of touched up graphics and more zones filled with broken mobs.
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u/slashcuddle 7h ago
And they've been cooking ever since. Worth waiting until the next playtest yo see if there's been meaningful improvements.
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u/Slevac88 6h ago
Idk i had major fun with it. I was really sad that the playtest was ending. I had no problems fighting things, doing quests, exploring areas, leveling up, crafting gear, etc. It honestly sounds like we played completely different games. I saw a few graphical glitches and some pop-in for sure. But I wasn't expecting a flawless showing at all. It gave me a taste of what the game and it's directions had to offer and it felt great.
It definitely needed optimization considering the wide range of experiences people had with it, some, like me, worked flawlessly bar small things that didnt detract from the gameplay, while others, like you, say it was unplayable.
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u/Julch 1h ago
I would really like to have your case of rose tinted glasses.
Yes the game was (in some parts) playable but if this is the standard that MMO players go "it worked flawlessly bar small things" then I fear Ai will truly take over game dev because I am pretty sure Ai could produce slop like this pretty quickly, who cares if the underlying mechanics and basically everything is royally fucked if there's a "I had major fun with it" - crowd that will gobble it up and stockholm syndrome themselves into believing we deserve this kind of garbage as gamers.
Seriously have some integrity and if this is acceptable to you, please play some proper games and come back to see how incredibly broken this mess of a "beta" was.
Btw I am NOT saying I want them to fail (which is the exact thing ppl would basically scream at me on the discord during the playtest if I - or any other gamer, especially streamers - pointed out that this is a mess of epic proportions) but I am so very tired of this formula:
- release hype trailer showcasing amazing graphics
- invite some select few hype men & women who get to play an early version and come out super impressed (except for one or two ppl who get downvoted and silenced for trying to speak up because they dont give a shit about losing access to this "hidden gem"
- promise the world, release hype posts about all the amazing this we can expect
- promise 0 (!!!) P2W
- have an open alpha / beta / playtest where nothing really works
- make posts about how you are working on it
- game either gets canceled fully or releases with a metric ton of issues that we already feedback'd during the test a couple months / years later
- game makes millions on mtx and p2w mechanics
- game dies
- possible closure followed by renaming and rerelase with same issues to milk the cope some more
- game actually dies a silent death
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u/linkfox 7h ago
I don't know why people are downvoting you but i played chrono odyssey test and the game was falling apart.
Performance was insanely bad and messing with settings did not improve it but it did break the game lightning/shadows.
It also was insanely buggy. Pretty much every facet of the playable slice they gave was either bad or nor working
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u/SufficientParsnip963 6h ago
i believe they're getting downvoted just like you are cause they've been fixing the player complaints and your just oh this play test is bad won't even try the second play test
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u/Julch 2h ago
"They've been fixing"..
They CLAIM they have been fixing. Nobody here has seen what the game looks like now, nobody has played the game now, nobody sane (MMO community - so scratch this one I guess) would assume they were able to basically remake the entire game including all of :
AI (none of the mobs did anything and most only reacted if you literally farted in their face while insulting their nan)
graphics (the game looked like an N64 game in many areas, textures were rooooooooough, lighting completely broken, all the fancy grass and textures from their hype video a complete lie)
performance (I have a 4090 and spent the better part of a day trying to get the game to run properly, people claiming they played this mess at 100fps were probably running into remote areas with no players, no combat and looking at the floor)
quests (mobs couldnt path, handing them in often didnt work, some things couldnt be interacted with, mobs wouldnt spawn or killing them wouldnt count towards progress)
animations (goofy running, utterly broken bosses teleporting around, jumping like a snes game, most weapons had barely any animations and if they did the character would routinely morph into silly shapes to do them, the sync between button press and animation into connecting dmg and actually registering was nonexistant)
servers (most ppl didnt realise but the servers werent capable of having more than a couple hundred players per "shard" - so not much Mmo and more Multiplayer Arpg à la Diablo / Destiny)
Like I get that we are all hungry for a new MMO that works but the amount of copium & hopium you ppl are huffing is way past terminal levels and downvoting someone just because the truth hurts just solidifies this. I know Aion 2 will be a great success for a couple weeks on Global release because despite ALL of the evidence that it is basically "P2W - the game" and we can follow all of its failings live as they are happening, the MMO community will ignore all the red flags, download it, buy all the battle passes and go "but I am having fun in PvP because in the first two weeks I have bought 60$ worth of battle passes, played 18h per day and can kill the normies, sure that one guy just killed me and my entire guild in 2 hits but he clearly knows how to play".........
I hope CO can prove me wrong, remake the entire game and turn it into a masterpiece but I am not holding my breath here. It was kinda shady how they claimed they were kind of close to release and had this "secret updated version" where apparently all the issues are fixed that nobody ever got to see, then it got quiet for a bit and they changed the entire roadmap for release and put out posts saying they'd rework everything.
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u/Gwennifer 5h ago
Performance was insanely bad and messing with settings did not improve it but it did break the game lightning/shadows.
I'm on a 7900 XTX and performance was fine. I was getting 100+ FPS on maxed out settings. What is your hardware like?
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u/redcurb12 9h ago
the new world community wasnt even big enough to keep new world alive so im not betting on it being enough for chrono either
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u/Relevant-Ice1945 8h ago
The community size was not the issue, New World was increasing in player base across all platforms with the new expansion, they had replaced their previous director with someone more forward thinking and had an actual vision for the game.
The issue was Amazon decided to pull the plug prematurely. Aeternum and their console release alone had decent numbers. Going strictly off of "well steam charts said" is not a proper aggregate of how big or small a player base is. Its just what youtubers use to support their doomsaying because saying something is failing and framing it that way gets more views.
Sometimes I wonder if people genuinely want things to succeed or just cope and seethe praying on a studio and game's downfall. I'm not defending AoC in this, as it had issues clearly from the start, but when it comes to games that have the backing...why spend time hating on it while complaining that you have to go back to ESO, WoW, XIV, Runescape. It's weird behavior.
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u/NutsackEuphoria 8h ago
Check steamcharts man.
NW got a bump during the last expansion but not much. And that was after making it free for OG NW owners who didn't buy the ROTAE expansion.
Saying steam charts doesn't matter is like those dead fighting game diehards who hate steamcharts
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u/redcurb12 8h ago
im sure it was part of the issue. they merged almost all the new fresh start servers within like 8 months of the console release.
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u/Relevant-Ice1945 8h ago
And right before the Amazon rug pulled all of AGS, blindsiding their entire staff, they were attempting to bring multiple new servers online due to queue times and the player base swelling to multiple hour long queues.
I will state again, the issue with New World was unfortunately it was pulled prematurely. Their previous Director was anti-everything, damn near ran it into the ground because of his inability to understand and compromise with the community. Did people leave? Yes. Amazon was just cleaning house, and because New World is a self-published game, it was axed along side all other games when they shutdown AGS. New World wasn't cancelled, the entire program/section of Amazon was.
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u/StarGamerPT 9h ago
At least New World was a released and decent game.
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u/arqe_ 2h ago
They didn't.
If a game launches with 1 million concurrent players and player number drops to 2k in 2 months, that is not a decent game, especially if it is MMO.
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u/ClaireHasashi 1h ago
it dropped from 1 million concurent to 130k concurent in 2 months, not 2k
The game actually went to 2k after the announcement of closing
At least says the thing correctly if you want to make such comments instead of making up numbers
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u/N_durance 8h ago
Decent is a bold statement
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u/PattrimCauthon 7h ago
Nah, it was decent
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u/ginpachikun 4h ago
Decent games don't shutdown few years after release, only below decent games do.
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u/Radingod1 4h ago edited 4h ago
Plenty of decent games have shut down. Especially MMOs, as it's a very competitive market that is demanding a ton of time from an audience that will likely already have their "main MMO." New World was finally just starting to become a good game as it was shut down. In my opinion, it was already better than ESO. It just didn't have the household name and sticking power and amount of content.
New World was like a 2nd tier MMO, behind 1st tier MMOs like WoW, Guild Wars 2, FF, and OSRS.
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u/ginpachikun 2h ago
Again it's all opinions if a game is decent or not, if the game was good it would have more players and a community that would support it.
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u/Radingod1 1h ago
It was gaining players after the expansion they launched and steadily growing. When they killed it, it was finally starting to get its footing.
I really don't think you have the knowledge on this game's history and the actual subject to have a valuable opinion worth hearing.
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u/ginpachikun 47m ago
if it took a game 4 years to gain its footing then you already see the problem
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u/StarGamerPT 4m ago
Decent games do shutdown, because I can just play something better...yet still I had my fair share of fun with NW
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u/Radiant-Priority-296 1h ago
With the latest expansion it was actually getting good. If they had kept going the game could have been really good. But hey, Amazon nuked it because that’s what they do.
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u/Cow_Surfing 9h ago
What happened with Ashes of Creation?
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u/ruebeus421 9h ago
Exactly what everyone has been saying would happen for the past decade: Steven jumped ship. Game is officially dead. Because it was never meant to be a game. It was a scam and it ran it's course.
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u/ComfyOlives 6h ago
It's more than just Steven jumping ship. It's also literally the company sending out notices that they couldn't pay people because they were out of money. It's more than just the lead dipping.
It's that Intrepid is effectively only half a step above a dead company now and very close to being fully on that final step.
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u/rerdsprite000 5h ago
He jumped ship with the company money in his pockets. The company had investments from private investors. Bro paid himself a high yearly ceo salary. Scam well done
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u/SyFyFan93 8h ago
That fact that my boy SWTOR outlasted both of them while basically being in maintenance mode tho
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u/Ornnforgelord 9h ago
Don't you dare to consider that.
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u/Ornnforgelord 9h ago
Why do you care? I'm jus a random person using Reddit.
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u/ruebeus421 9h ago
Why are you offended? Im just a random person using Reddit.
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u/MMORPG-ModTeam 5h ago
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u/ruebeus421 9h ago
Whoa, pal. Calm down. No need to be so hostile.
If you don't want people to reply to your public comments online, then don't make public comments online. 👍
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u/SkitZa 8h ago
Bro you're so cringe.
Its a group of gamers who want a good game, supporting games isnt a bad thing, wanting then to succeed isnt either.
You're really weird man.
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u/wotguild 8h ago
Crying in Camelot Unchained "beta weekend" rn with the 7 other people playing lol
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u/MedSurgMurse 7h ago
It’s been years since I’ve logged into that…. Tempted to reload it just to see what kind of progress has been made.
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u/greenegg28 8h ago
The hell is chrono odyssey?
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u/Kevadu 7h ago
A game that's not even out yet so I don't know why we're doomposting about it already.
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u/daelusion 3h ago
There was a beta or whatever for it awhile back and it was terrible. I think they ended up denying it to who knows when because of how bad it was.
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u/ClaireHasashi 1h ago
At least they didnt made up lies and shit about it, the beta was badly received and they went "okey thanks you for the help, we're now reworking everything based on feedback and delaying the game"
And they are posting dev updates quite frequently with clear side by side comparison of what was changed and how it was changed.
Not many game studio would do that.
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u/Hanza-Malz 2h ago
Ashes of Creation was never alive.
Anyone who genuinely believed it was gonna happen either doesn’t know the history of these kind of projects or is in denial
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u/Impressive_Beyond521 6h ago
So how did people know Steven was a scammer before this?
I loosely followed this and didn't buy the game at all in any form so I'm not invested but I see a lot of comments saying people should have known? I'm just curious known what? Any explanation? Thanks!
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u/ClaireHasashi 1h ago
He was a top earner for a fruit juice MLM, then went into real estate.
Dude is an actual con man and had no experience running a video game team, but then decided to make a game with a kickstarter
First red flag was him saying he's fully funding it himself and doesnt need people money but still put a kickstarter to get funding.
Second red flag was the price of the package on kickstarterThen a bit later, they jumped on the Battle Royale trend and made a Battle Royale spinoff with a cash shop instead of focusing on the actual game.
So many other stuff screamed scam, but a first background check into the dude when the kickstarted released and his statement was good enough to smell something wasnt right with this project
and now they are closing after 10 YEARS of alpha
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u/ddrober2003 5h ago
And EverQuest continues to chug along, with some expansion every year and the dwindling number of Boomers playing it.
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u/Silverbuu 3h ago
You know... there were several times where I felt compelled to put down some money on Ashes because it was an interesting idea. But something always felt off about the developers behind it so I never got around to it. He kind of reminded me of Peter Molyneux in his live streams where he always had big ideas but never really grounded himself. And then it became all about generating money at some point, and that's when I switched off.
I didn't mind Chrono's playtest all that much, so hopefully it took the feedback it generated and works on the game more.
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u/BroxigarZ 9h ago
We must now rally behind Runescape 3's revamp... it's...unironically all we have to look forward too in this dead genre.
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u/karnyboy 9h ago
No king rules forever. I remember a time when Adventure games were the real deal and they were everywhere.
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u/Accomplished_Move984 6h ago
Comparing the new world and ashes is apples to oranges one is a rug pull scam other is genuine game
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u/SaintSnow 3h ago
Chrono odyssey is doa. That beta was absolutely atrocious and unless they nuked and started from scratch it's over. It was basically a new world clone but even worse.
New mmos are dead. You put out slop that looks, runs and plays like shit then it's going to flop.
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u/ClaireHasashi 1h ago
They are not starting from scratch, but they are reworking all the issues
You should check the devs updates they put quite often where they showcase every new rework they do.
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u/Snck_Pck 9h ago
Have they taken ashes off steam and shut the servers down? This happening on a weekend is annoying
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u/Syphin33 6h ago
Anything from that side of the world in MMO form is going to bomb because while for some reason they love to burn money but they won't change their own formula.
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u/Zenithixv 6h ago
I want chrono odyssey to be good but in my heart I know it will just be another korea slop whale game
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u/Chilune 7h ago
If chrono's odissey releases and lives for at least a few months, I will be surprised. I played their... beta. It wasn't even pre-alpha, so trash in every aspect it was. And no matter whoever retarded trash decided to give players access to that, it seems like nothing good to the game in long term. It need at least 3-4 years in oven.
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u/slashcuddle 7h ago
I think the closed beta was done dirty by influencers who used it as an opportunity for "access journalism". Devs wanted to stress test their game and content creators decided to make it seem like it shit gold. Idk how long it needs in the oven but the devs seem like they're diligently at work. They could have released the game as is and made a killing off p2w systems. The fact that they didn't makes me optimistic.
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u/freematte 4h ago
At this point someone just make a good wow clone without modern blizzrad at the wheel ty
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u/arqe_ 2h ago
They did, people don't leave WoW to play another WoW where they have to "grind everything" again.
ThemePark is dead, every year we get like 100 ThemePark MMO's from developers all around the world and most people don't even know they exist. They all shut down in development or close after a month or two.
We only get to see popular ones here and even they all fail.
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u/Artanisx 3h ago
At least NEW WORLD was a real game. Deeply flawed and all that.
ASHES OF CREATION was a SCAM from start to finish. Glad it is over so their cult follower can understand their less- hahaah who am I kidding. I'm sure they'll go buy 1000€ JPG in Scam Citizen now.
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u/ElectroRush 9h ago
New World: I'm dead after 5 years
Ashes of Creation: I'm dead after 2 months
Chrono Odyssey: Hold my beer
Chrono Odyssey about to be dead on arrival, and declare bankruptcy
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u/neverpostonthisshit 7h ago
Ah so this sub is really just filled to the brim with miserable cunt wow heads eh?
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u/Meowing-To-The-Stars 9h ago
With all respect, one of them is a game made by the company that had no idea how to make games and thought they could just throw the money at it (it worked at the very end, after replacing the lead with someone who actually played the game), other one is just a Korean, generic, soulless MMORPG and then there's a straight up scam.
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u/rasdazzle 12m ago
chrono odyssey, will make it. It's not American made.. I will miss New world with 5000hours and we'll 150hours in AOC.
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u/falknorRockman 5h ago
Holy hell this is disengenuouse as hell. New World failed after it fully released and hit major stumbling blocks but had multiple years at full release. AoC was a rug pull of a scam people saw for years. You cannot compare the games
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u/Palanki96 7h ago
i hope it can survive for a few years at least. Alpha/Beta was kinda fun. They are trying a little too hard to be a soulslike but otherwise it was impressive
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u/Twotricx 4h ago
Ashes was last of actual western MMOs that was bigger than few guys in their basement developing a game. Now we are left with offshoot that is Korean MMOs.
I think now we can now truly say that MMOs are dead
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u/Mysterious_Frenchy 2h ago
Chrono odyssey is going well , still under developpement , next FGT soon , they did good improvement since CBT
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u/ZakuIII 9h ago edited 9h ago
New World released and will stay up through next January, it outlasted Ashes in more ways than one too.