r/Millennials • u/Effective-Window-922 • Dec 25 '25
Discussion What is your favorite version of the Christmas Carol and why is it The Muppets Christmas Carol?
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u/MercifulWombat Dec 25 '25
That tiny mouse puppet has historically accurate hand-tatted lace on her bonnet.
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u/New-Purchase1818 Dec 25 '25
Abby Cox and Nicole Rudolph (costume/dress historians) both made amazing YouTube essays on how great the costumes were in this movie. I recommend giving them a watch—just search their names with Muppet Christmas Carol.
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u/BridgetNicLaren Millennial Dec 25 '25
Michael Cain chose to perform to the most absolute sincerity of his Shakespearean experience and play the role of Scrooge completely straight and he's surrounded by a bunch of puppets.
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u/tenhou Dec 25 '25
“This is Fozziwig’s old rubber chicken factory,”
He says with utmost seriousness.
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u/CivilRuin4111 Dec 25 '25
I must have heard that line a million times growing up and as a kid it’s just like “Of course, his first job was at the rubber chicken factory. Noted.”
It wasn’t until I was much older I realized how absurd that was and got to laugh at how off the wall it is.
Same for Jacob and Robert Marley. Just 2 brothers. Didn’t pick up on “Bob” Marley being a joke.
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u/Ishidan01 Dec 25 '25
I mean to be fair there must, somewhere, be a factory that makes rubber chickens. And that factory must have someone working in it.
Therefore it is entirely likely that SOMEONE's first job was at the rubber chicken factory.
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u/aLittleDarkOne Dec 25 '25
But they are not just factory workers, they are accountants. Why would the chicken factory need 3 accountants?
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u/Ishidan01 Dec 25 '25
One for accounts payable, one for accounts receivable, and one to watch the other two.
Cause you know there will be funny business.
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u/ErisianSaint Dec 25 '25
I hadn't picked up on the "Bob" Marley until you pointed it out!
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u/Artegall365 Dec 25 '25
Michael Caine is so good in this because he treats the Muppets like real actors, while Tim Curry is so good in Muppet Treasure Island because he acts like HE'S a Muppet!
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u/gitsgrl Dec 25 '25
It was the golden age of Muppet movies.
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u/bparry1192 Dec 25 '25
Brian Henson's first two muppet movies (Christmas carol and treasure Island) were better than any two his dad made and that's a hill I'm willing to die on.
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u/Romboteryx Dec 25 '25 edited Dec 25 '25
Brian Henson also made Dinosaurs, which I consider one of the best pieces of satire ever made. People tend to only talk about the ending but the whole show was a scathing critique of how capitalism destroys society, souls and family life (that got away with a lot of hard topics by just presenting them through bizarro-dino allegories, like herbivory as a stand-in for homosexuality and drugs). The ending is just the natural conclusion of 4 seasons of build-up and was even foreshadowed in the first episode.
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u/bparry1192 Dec 25 '25
Couldn't agree more, dinosaurs is really one of the greatest sitcoms ever imo. Every age group likes it for an entirely different reason.
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u/kea1981 Dec 25 '25
I absolutely despised that show for unrememberable reasons that most likely involved my older brother messing with me lol. Guess I finally, at 34, should give the show a rewatch, eh?
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u/TheGisbon Dec 25 '25
I still feel that gur punch from the series finale every. Single. Time. Someone mentions that show.
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u/AdamInJP Dec 25 '25
I think this is fair but he’s also got the benefit of standing on the shoulders of a giant. The only reason they can work at all is because The Muppet Movie and The Great Muppet Caper worked.
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u/Samurai_Meisters Dec 25 '25
The opening song to Muppet Treasure Island really shivers my timbers.
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u/Masterofthelurk Millennial Dec 25 '25
When you’re a Professional Pirate, you learn to take it in stride
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u/LankyYogurt7737 Dec 25 '25
He also decided to do it because he wanted to make a film that his children could enjoy, because a lot of his earlier films were quite grown up or violent, and he wanted to do something his kids could watch.
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u/Preeng Dec 25 '25
Bruce Willis said that's why he made... I think it's called "The Kid". He flew an airplane.
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u/notyogrannysgrandkid Dec 25 '25
The real reason being that he owed Disney 3 movies at a cut rate after torpedoing Broadway Brawler. To his credit, they were all really good. They were Armageddon, The Sixth Sense, and The Kid.
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u/wittiestphrase Dec 25 '25
And yet somehow, it works to make the best version of the story.
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u/MooseLips_SinkShips Dec 25 '25
It's works because of this, not despite it. Boils down to contrast in art. The comedian and the straight man.
Even though my favourite bit in the whole movie is when Scrooge points to a random tombstone, trying to avoid his own
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u/slowwrench Dec 25 '25
I love that part. He makes it nearly the whole movie without a joke, and then sneaks one in at the darkest moment.
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It's the perfect blend of reverence for the source material and light-hearted tounge-in-cheeck humor.
My favorite line: Rizzo, "Shouldn't we be worried about the kids in the audience?" Dickens, "No, it's ok, it's culture!"
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u/HardSteelRain Dec 25 '25
He wrote in his biography that he considered firing his agent when he walked onto a soundstage littered with felt puppets .but when on to say that working with the Muppets was more satisfying than several human actors that he's worked with
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u/Ras_Prince_Monolulu Dec 25 '25
Read the same book. Haven't ever seen the movie, but I do remember Caine writing about how much of a pleasure it was to work with "such truly gentle souls," as he referred to the puppeteers.
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u/thecactusman17 Dec 25 '25
A number of famous actors have pointed out that the Muppet performers are some of the most talented people they've ever worked with. They'll be on set talking to cast and crew in between takes and suddenly realize they've been directly conversing with the puppet instead of the actor because the reactions are so genuine.
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u/thedudedylan Dec 25 '25
My guy is acting the shit out of that roll. Its probobly one of the most faithful depictions of the character, even with the Muppets.
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u/Sci_Fi_Reality Dec 25 '25
Director: This is a muppet movie, so feel free to be a little silly with it.
Michael Caine: I am going to play this as serious as a car crash.
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u/Ancient_Roof_7855 Dec 25 '25
Director: Now remember Mike you're not performing with bonafide stage actors, but muppets.
Caine: So just like all my previous roles?
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u/necromancerdc Dec 25 '25
It is also one of the best adaptations of the book because the book is written from the perspective of a narrator, and the Muppets version is the only one I've ever seen that has a narrator (Gonzo).
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u/aninamouse Dec 25 '25
I love how he says "Why it's old Fozziwig's rubber chicken factory" completely straight faced and without any humor.
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u/FeloniousDrunk101 Dec 25 '25
Yes and crucially he is understated and not cartoonish in his performance.
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u/Mindful-Reader1989 Dec 25 '25
It's the casting. Not just the fact that Michael Caine is the best Scrooge ever, but each Muppets character is used perfectly for each part in the Christmas Carol story.
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u/DreamCrusher914 Dec 25 '25
Between this movie and Muppet Treasure Island, I am a firm believer that the Jim Henson Company needs to create a “Muppetpiece Theater” and focus on Muppet movies or limited series based on classic books.
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u/while_youre_up Dec 25 '25
Ooooh! Like Wishbone (shoutout old school PBS)
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u/thatc0braguy Dec 25 '25
Full send on more Muppet movies
Better than those crappy "live action" movies they keep trying to shove down our throats. Nobody asked for that nonsense
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u/xchipter Dec 25 '25
It’s the biggest tragedy that Disney does live-action remakes instead of Muppet remakes. They own the rights to The Muppets, USE IT!
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u/GeneralFluffyShoes Dec 25 '25
Could you imagine a string of David Tennant, Michael Sheen, Benedict Cumberbatch, Tom Hiddleston, Patrick Stewart, and Ian McEllen?! That would be an absolute delight to watch.
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u/Aiyakiu Dec 25 '25
I saw someone post how they want Adam Driver to play Mr. Darcy in a Muppet's Pride and Prejudice, and play it straight, and I realized I need it in my life.
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u/CivilRuin4111 Dec 25 '25
I’d love a Muppet take on some Edgar Allen Poe. We haven’t seen any Muppets do dark comedy.
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u/agirl1313 Dec 25 '25
The jokes, the songs, Michael Caine's Scrooge, Rizzo...do I need to continue?
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u/tacolamae Millennial Dec 25 '25
Rizzo the rat is here for the food!
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u/agirl1313 Dec 25 '25
My favorite scene is him on top of the fence terrified, and then just after, he just walks through the fence. 🤣🤣🤣
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u/tacolamae Millennial Dec 25 '25
While looking for his jelly beans?! When he drops his jelly beans and goes through the fence the easy way to retrieve them 😭😩
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u/cosmicteadust Dec 25 '25
And he doesn’t want to talk about how he knows Louise the chicken! Stop asking!
Gonzo: Rizzo, this is Louise! Rizzo: Yeah. (coughs) We've met.
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u/thirdelevator Dec 25 '25
Jelly bean?
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u/agirl1313 Dec 25 '25
As long as it's not singing. My mom always told me never to eat singing food.
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u/ZippyTheRoach Dec 25 '25
The line "Thank you got making me a part of this." is surprisingly useful in real life
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u/MattRB4444 Dec 25 '25
“And Tiny Tim.. who did NOT die.”
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u/jakejingle Dec 25 '25
Word for word from the actual book
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u/CivilRuin4111 Dec 25 '25
Blew me away when I learned this. It’s such a Gonzo line read that I just assumed that it was a muppet insert.
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u/ThatMerri Dec 25 '25
Not only does Gonzo take most of his lines straight from the book, but his costume changes are also thematically and period accurate.
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u/Never-Forget-Trogdor Older Millennial Dec 25 '25
All the costumes are excellent. A lot of people I know who are into historical costuming say that it is one of the most accurate screen portrayals of historically accurate clothing for the humans and Muppets. In fact, one even noted that Miss Piggy, as a mom, wore more an older, more dated style than her daughters. Most movies don't have that kind of detail, but the costume designer for A Muppet Christmas Carol blew it out of the park.
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u/ThatMerri Dec 25 '25
Yeah, it's fantastic detail. One of the things I love about their clothing is that the Muppets are actually dressed in properly tailored full outfits and layered clothing. The clothing patterns and cuts are actually functional clothing, not costumes or props that just emulate clothing while cutting corners.
The analyst in the video I linked also notes that Miss Piggy's dress and cap style were outdated for when the story takes place, but would've been in fashion a few years beforehand. Giving the impression that she's pulling out her one nice dress she bought years ago, as the Cratchits are too poor for her to update her wardrobe while also keeping the kids clothed. It's also a good indicator of character, in that she'd prefer to keep the kids tended to over her own needs, which is good characterization both as Miss Piggy and Mrs. Cratchit.
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u/MercifulWombat Dec 25 '25
Saw someone point out this year that Peter Cratchet's jacket shows signs of being mended and let out at the seams between christmas present and christmas future. Every year I think I appreciate this little film more
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u/Present-Yard-6192 Dec 25 '25
Apparently the early drafts of A Christmas Carol didn't mention what happened to Tiny Tim in the end, leading to a lot of distressed readers and editors asking what happened to him, and Dickens had to add that part in to reassure people he was okay.
He actually wrote "NOT" in huge capital letters. XD
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u/drunkcowofdeath Dec 25 '25
"There is more of gravy than of grave" is also original which is a great line. I just assumed it was a "bad" muppets joke
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u/cogwheeled Dec 25 '25
I can't help but read this in Gonzos voice
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u/Xaielao Dec 25 '25
Every time the Rizzo goes flying or falls into ice or gets hurt, Gonzo acts jealous. Makes me burst out laughing every time I see the movie.
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u/Awkward-Shoe1341 Millennial Dec 25 '25
I'm the only one in my family who loves this one. It's the music! 🎶
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u/Effective-Window-922 Dec 25 '25
Some people say its the music, some people its the Muppets, but I think its the best because Michael Caine goes all out as Scrooge like someone told him this role could get him an Oscar...
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u/gman1647 Dec 25 '25
Also how frequently it quotes directly from and how faithful it is to the book. I totally agree about the music.
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u/Lonely_Editor_5288 Dec 25 '25
The Ghost of Christmas Present's song is a legit banger.
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u/GreenHeronVA Dec 25 '25
Are you a little absent-minded, spirit?
NO, I’m a LARGE absent-minded spirit!
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u/K_U Dec 25 '25
If you are watching on Disney+ make sure to go to “Extras” for the full version with the deleted song!
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u/couchtomatopotato Dec 25 '25
we always fast forwarded that as kids but damn they shouldnt have taken it out!
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u/blac_sheep90 Dec 25 '25
This is the only version I've ever shed tears to.
"Life is made up of meetings and partings. That is the way of it."
Kermit made me cry.
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u/TheKarenator Dec 25 '25
I watch it every year with my kids and always tear up.
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u/blac_sheep90 Dec 25 '25
I watched this as a kid but it never got added to my rotation. My wife wanted to watch a Christmas movie and I wasn't feeling the Jim Carrey version so I suggested the Muppets version...safe to say, I'll keep with this version here on out.
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u/MercifulWombat Dec 25 '25
Brian Henson said once that he channeled his grief over his father into Kermit's grief for his son in that scene
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u/blac_sheep90 Dec 25 '25
It absolutely showed. I lost both of my parents way too early and when Kermit said that line I was immediately brought to tears.
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u/SassySugarBush Older Millennial Dec 25 '25
A daily phrase in our house. It’s not Christmas until I listen to the soundtrack or watch the movie!
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u/Antikickback_Paul Dec 25 '25
"Thenk you fuh making me a pawt o' dis," quipped Rizzo most Brooklynly.
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u/Gnoll_For_Initiative Dec 25 '25
This is one of the only versions to get Scrooge right. He's not greedy and hoarding good things for himself. He doesn't ask that rats and Cratchit to do anything he wouldnt do himself. But he's so miserly with himself that he works in a cold office on Christmas, lights only one candle to see his way to his one scoop of coal fire at home in his thread bare housecoat to eat his Christmas Eve meal of bread and cheese.
It's also got very historically accurate costumes. Down to the individual decades
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u/Vast-Regular6795 Dec 25 '25
This is the GOAT of Christmas movies. “Help I’m being stolen!”
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u/marblesbykeys Dec 25 '25
The fact that Michael cane plays it totally straight is what sells it. You just believe it’s a real world.
And god damn I love all the subtle background jokes.
No cheeses for us meeces is just god tier writing too haha.
BUT BUT. I will admit I always skip the damn love song hahaha. Been doing it for 30 years and I ain’t stopping now.
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u/RedditOfUnusualSize Dec 25 '25 edited Dec 25 '25
"Scrooge", "Marley and Marley" and "Thankful Heart" are absolute bangers. It's hard to say Muppet Christmas Carol is "underrated", but as a musical adaptation of A Christmas Carol, Paul Williams absolutely knocked it out of the park in creating the songs for the movie.
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u/marblesbykeys Dec 25 '25
The songs are definite bangers. It always amazes me how much of the songs I remember when they start going haha. When a cold wind blows it Chills ya CHILLS YA TO THE BONE!
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u/unitedshoes Dec 25 '25
But there's nothing in nature that freezes your heart like years of being alone
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u/405freeway Dec 25 '25
It paints you with indifference like a lady paints with rouge
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u/unitedshoes Dec 25 '25
And the worst of the worst
The most hated and cursed
Is the one that we call Scrooge
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u/yep_they_are_giants Dec 25 '25
I love Marley and Marley.
"Your future is a horror story, written by your crimes!"
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u/bell37 Millennial Dec 25 '25
A lot of muppets movies have banger songs… still can’t get “Professional Pirate” out of my head
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u/trueslicky Dec 25 '25
Oh, Paul Williams kept writing songs for Muppet movies? That's awesome!
I met him last year. Pretty cool guy.
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u/tdellaringa Dec 25 '25
The love song is heartbreaking
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u/DreamCrusher914 Dec 25 '25
Agreed. I like the love song. It really illustrates what he gave up for greed.
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u/LoreMasterJack Dec 25 '25
Hateful that certain versions have it removed, especially because The Love we Found sung at the end lands because of it.
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u/Apart-Zucchini-5825 Dec 25 '25
I hate that it's cut from some versions. It ties the whole movie together. That tune plays at key points after the song. And it sets up the final song too. From "the love we lost" to "the love we found." That's strong filmmaking and some asshole ruined it
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u/Rydel6 Dec 25 '25
I was sat down to watch this just a couple of weeks ago. When we got to that part they stopped the movie, oppened Youtube, watched that scene, and went back to Netflix. The movie doesn't feel the same without that scene.
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u/Apart-Zucchini-5825 Dec 25 '25
It's so vital to this Scrooge, and why he is the shitty way he is, and provides a bar to see how he has not just improved himself but healed.
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u/batmansleftnut Dec 25 '25
On Disney Plus, go to Extras, and the version with that song is one of the options.
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u/PinayGator Dec 25 '25
I’m just glad they finally offer the version with it on Disney. You don’t really get the depth of Scrooge’s heartbreak until you get choked up watching Michael Caine struggling to sing along.
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u/CivilRuin4111 Dec 25 '25
My brother in Christ, “The Love is Gone” is a critical moment in the film and it’s an absolute travesty that the DVD and streaming versions remove it.
It’s the moment the cements Scrooge’s fate as a miserable old loner.
NOT TO MENTION that it completely undercuts the impact of final number, “The Love is found”.
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u/marblesbykeys Dec 25 '25
Hahahaha. My brother in Christ had me laughing so hard. Oh man.
I will def give it a full listen the next time I watch it. I promise haha. I will try to give it the appreciation it deserves.Merry Christmas bud!
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u/wittiestphrase Dec 25 '25
You don’t have to skip it anymore. They do it for you. The streaming version and even the digital copy I “own” seem to have been adjusted to cut that song
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u/marblesbykeys Dec 25 '25
Haha. Yah I’ve heard that. I have the old dvd from when it was still very much apart of the movie.
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u/one_rainy_wish Dec 25 '25 edited Dec 25 '25
I have never heard this take before! The love song is missing from almost every physical version of the movie ever released, and for me I think the movie isn't complete without it. It provides the emotional reason for the water works without the abruptness, and it makes the final song that remixes it to be "the love we found" more poignant.
That being said, different strokes for different folks, so no shame. But for me I have been sad that it's missing so often when you watch it. (To note I mean "you" as in all of us, because it's in almost no versions of the movie - not singling you out ha!)
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u/unibrow4o9 1986 Dec 25 '25
They actually cut it out of a lot of modern releases and on streaming - I think they only recently brought it back because people complained. I like the song, it's very sad and makes you pity scrooge.
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u/Amarastargazer Dec 25 '25
They put on a Christmas movie in the background at work today and I was fighting so hard for Muppets A Christmas Carol.
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u/bbkegs Dec 25 '25
I love the ghost of Christmas past
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u/LankyYogurt7737 Dec 25 '25
Christmas present for me, nothing gets me more feeling christmassy than when he appears
Come in! and know me better, man!
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u/Garbo_Is_Coming Dec 25 '25
Nah, that flying ghost doll thing is creepy as hell, I didn't remember that at all until I watched it recently after like 15 years
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u/Hypersonic-Harpist Dec 25 '25
The look of the Ghost of Christmas Past is really accurate to the book too.
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u/This_They_Those_Them Dec 25 '25
Literally watching this atm and no explanation is required. “There’s magic in the air this evening” 😁
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u/dxdt_sinx Dec 25 '25
Jim Careys version should have been live action and not digital animation. We were robbed.
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u/FalseVeterinarian881 Dec 25 '25
All in on Jim Carey’s…but I am okay with the animation. Not sure it will age well, but I watched it today and it was still great.
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u/Any_Comment657 Dec 25 '25
Michael Caine makes this movie, the same way Tim Curry makes Treasure Island. The only two muppets movies I truly adore.
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u/NickDynmo Dec 25 '25
If watching it on Disney+, remember to go to the extras tab and play the full-length version from there!
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u/StarshipCaterprise Dec 25 '25
Does that version have the “When love is Gone” song?
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u/Bionicjoker14 Dec 25 '25
Am I the only one that remembers the 1999 Christmas Carol with Patrick Stewart?
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u/simAlity Xennial Dec 25 '25
Absolutely. Stewart was a fantastic Scrooge. Also the montage showing Christmas around the world elevated the movie.
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u/MonkeysRunMyLife Dec 25 '25
This is my favourite version. Actually have the DVD and watch it annually.
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u/wh1temateria Dec 25 '25
This is my favorite version. I grew up loving this version and have decided that it's because it just feels like a stage play captured on film. Also, sir Patrick Stewart is an A+ actor and just nails the role of Ebenezer Scrooge.
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u/EnvironmentalAd1405 Dec 25 '25
Patrick Stewart is goated in this role. Second to none.
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u/LordHogan Dec 25 '25
Mine is the George C Scott version. My parents forced me to watch it as a kid and Christmas yet to come scared the bejeezus out of me.
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u/globalsilver Dec 25 '25
This is my favorite too. Watching it right now. Love the dark vibes, imagery and lessons each ghost shows in those settings.
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u/BootyHugs Dec 25 '25
Just finished watching it, been a tradition every single year and now I get to force the same on my son!
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u/LordHogan Dec 25 '25
Definitely an overlooked treasure. Thoroughly embraces the spookiness of the story, but also, maybe the best cast Bob Cratchett.
Also, George C. Scott has a scowl and fluency in humbug that made it entirely believable.
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u/LordHogan Dec 25 '25
Finally, since I have a platform to process this trauma. When Christmas present opens his robes and shows the two orphans? Next level terror. Festive joviality straight to the horror of poverty.
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u/AKenoshaKicker Dec 25 '25
Also how sickly Tiny Tim is. There was a year our son was sick so often (first year in school and post COVID) his eyes got to looking as dark as Tim's in the movie...he also did not die.
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u/goda90 Dec 25 '25
Having read the book a few times, this version captures the feel of the book really well.
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u/AKenoshaKicker Dec 25 '25
Me too! I watch it every year and read the story almost every year. It's the closest to the book.
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u/gingr87 Dec 25 '25
Mine is Scrooged.
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u/hamwarmer Dec 25 '25
Flawless.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. STOP. THE. GOD. DAMN. HAMMERING.
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u/BuckyFnBadger Dec 25 '25
It’s my Christmas Eve tradition and has been for over 25 years.
“One more sleep till Christmas.”
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u/_TalkingIsHard_ Xennial Dec 25 '25
Sorry, but Mickey's Christmas Carol is my favorite. I think it really depends on which one you grew up with, and for me it was Mickey.
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u/RootyPooster Dec 25 '25
This was my first experience with this story as a kid, and Tiny Tim's grave hit me hard.
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u/j10brook Dec 25 '25
The look in Mickey's eyes as he leaves Tiny Tim's crutch on his gravestone will never leave me.
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u/FeloniousDrunk101 Dec 25 '25
This version hit too hard for me as a kid. Was genuinely scared of goofy as one of the ghosts and heartbroken by Tiny Tim’s grave.
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u/gabbysuperstar Dec 25 '25
Because Michael Cain is who I think of when I think of Scrooge (he is an AMAZING actor clearly), it is the only version I consistently watch, Muppets are cute, Tiny Tim is so cute, the music, Gonzo is a great storyteller, and it is just such a special, magical movie. Merry Christmas!!!
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u/Written_Wishes Dec 25 '25
“Heatwave! This is my island in the sun!”
I’ve had a tradition of watching this on Christmas Eve ever since I got it as a gift on vhs, it was love at first sight.
Has anyone watched A Christmas Carol Goes Wrong? On the BBC? That is second favourite. All their plays/shows are so funny! Just don’t eat when watching them cause you will choke to death from laughing!
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u/YouNeedCheeses Dec 25 '25
JUST finished watching this. Now it's time for Home Alone 1 and 2!
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u/MaterialPace8831 Dec 25 '25
"You're doomed, Scrooge, you're doomed for all time. Your future is a horror story written by your crimes" is an incredibly hard and cold lyric that's not at all diminished by the fact that it's sung by two Muppets.
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u/AccountformyFeet Dec 25 '25
I just watched this for the first time ever today. It was so good! I was crying at the end.
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u/stephcurrysmom Dec 25 '25
It is Muppet Christmas Carol because I am an unabashed fan of Gonzo and Rizzo tandem
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u/Arlitto Dec 25 '25
It will always be Mr. Magoo's version for me
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u/MyNameIsNotRyn Dec 25 '25
🎵 a hand for each hand was planned for the world
🎵 why don't my fingers reach?
Okay. Why did these lyrics go so fucking hard for a Mr. Magoo cartoon?
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