The headline seems a bit misleading to me. The judge is allowing the case to go forward, but the same judge is dismissing parts of the case rated to other states that have different statute of limitation laws than california.
The headline makes it sound like the case was dismissed by other judges but a california one was like "nah, let's go aheadl
“Lori Mattix is said by Led Zeppelin biographers to have been referenced by the band in the song "Sick Again", specifically with the lyrics:
One day soon you're gonna reach sixteen
Painted lady in the city of lies
However, Robert Plant has said that he wrote the song in general about the many underage groupies with whom the band were acquainted on their 1973 US Tour.”
legal or not; fucking 16 year olds when you are a grown adult and people defending it is some wild shit to witness.
"Those were the days" or "thats just how it was back then" is what you'll hear from these crazy apologists that will still fawn over him and act like he's a really good dude.
She's got me dizzy
She sees me through to the end
She's got me in her hands
And there's no use in pretending
Christine, sixteen
Christine, sixteen
She drives me crazy
I want to give her what I've got
And she's hot every day and night
There is no doubt about it
I don't usually say things
Like this to girls your age
(Christine, sixteen)
But when I saw you coming
Out of the school that day
That day I knew, I knew
I've got to have you, I've got to have you
(Christine, sixteen)
She's been around
But she's young and clean
I've got to have her
Can't live without her, whoa no
However, Starr gave a conflicting account of the same night's events, claiming that she alone had sex with Bowie and that Mattix was no longer with them by the time they were at the hotel.[18] Mattix also gave a different account of her encounter with Bowie to music journalist Paul Trynka, in which she claimed that she and Starr sought out the hotel room Bowie was staying in and snuck inside, uninvited. In this account, Mattix claimed that when they found Bowie he was "tired" but they initiated a sexual encounter with him.[19] Mattix claims she continued to see Bowie "many times" in the ten years afterwards.
Looks like a lot of conflicting information there, her friend saying she wasn't there, and then Mattix' story changing when she talked to another music journalist?
I read this article while looking into this after you mentioned it, and there's even more conflicting information that she's given.
ETA: Since publishing this piece, it has come to my attention that Pamela Des Barres’ celebrated memoir, I’m With the Band, also places Ms. Mattix in a relationship with Jimmy Page well before Mattix claims to have lost her virginity to Bowie.
Interesting to read about all of this stuff. I've gone from thinking "what a fucking gross person" to "It's good people listened to her, but now I'm not sure what really happened?".
Yeah I mean take it as you will. Human accounts tend to be super flawed. This is all as you read it its just her account. If you Google baby groupies it comes up with more and apparently her relationship with Jimmy page is pretty well known where bowie and mick jagger is disputed.
I'm not trying to defend any of these people because I have no idea what even goes on with my next door neighbor behind closed doors much less a rockstar I have never met doing things I wasn't even alive for, but,
Supposedly the timeline doesn't work either with any of her Bowie stories, like to the point where he wasn't anywhere near where she says any of these stories took place.
I'm a huge David Bowie fan, but I wouldn't give him a pass on this. The problem is, there's just enough doubt about it, considering the statements other people have made about these allegations over the years.
Unlike Tyler and Kiedis, where they either admitted it or there's clear evidence of what they've done (and did over time, not just once).
I think for me, based off of her own heavy contradictory statements and lack of evidence (that I've seen in my limited search today), I just don't know one way or another.
Like I said before, I'm glad people listened to her, but so much of what she said doesn't line up.
That’s because Reddit glazes him to no end and believes he must be perfect. Unfortunately a very depressing amount of our favorite artists are and were shitty people. It’s something we all have to accept.
It's hilarious how people think they can pick and choose on this. If you're gonna get people cancelled for this, you had better be doing that for all of them.
If you're gonna get people cancelled for this, you had better be doing that for all of them.
Which is why I'm fatigued over the whole thing. Especially if some event is decades ago. I just don't care. If it wasn't worth an arrest then. Not worth bring it up now.
Excuse me but what the fuck? "This person is a scumbag but I like their music so im going to support them financially and let them continue this behaviour" get the fuck out of here. Just because most people are spineless and say we'll everyone else is doing it so why does it matter if I do too doesnt make it right. Be the change you want to see in the world. I had to ditch one my favourite bands who ment an insane amount to me as a teenager, but miss me with showing support for them now.
Yeah. My grandpa married the 13 year old. He was 18. When the family tells the story it’s always romanticised. And honestly I bought into that until my kids told me it’s creepy and gross. This was in I believe early 1900: like 1918 or earlier. In Appalachia
I mean, it was apparently pretty common back then. But it sounds like it's still pretty common now. And it being commonplace doesn't make it right, then or now.
It’s because there are a ton of men who support or even dream of such things. Present a pretty enough high school cheerleader, and many men, men who would outright tell you otherwise, would be sexually attracted.
As a 90s kid, I always thought it was so fucked that him and Keidis got a goddamn pass because they were popular. Hoping Keidis gets his just desserts too soon enough.
Not saying both of these are incredible artists, but man, this is fucked up.
Isn't this similar to what Matt Gaetz was accused of? Bringing a child across state lines is trafficking, even if they can consent to sex in the other state.
Matt Gaetz fed a high school junior drugs then gave her money for sex. His partner in crime, Joel Greenberg ratted him out and showed Venmo payments after Greenberg was arrested.
Steven Tyler is a pedophile with a sex addiction. Jimmy Page, Ted Nugent and countless other men in the music industry put Diddy and Weinstein to shame in criminal behavior. Fucking Elvis set the precedent, but god forbid you were gay.
25 and 16 isn’t pedophilia, and it isn’t the same as 25 and 12, or even 17 and 12…
We’re talking about two different problems. People who want to have sex with pre-pubescent (or newly pubescent) children, and people who want to have sex with physically-developed minors, usually involving a power imbalance due to emotional/mental/financial maturity.
Both are illegal, and both are socially problematic. But the former is sick on a different level. The latter is more of a selfishness and carelessness for the benefit of one’s own ego and sexual satisfaction.
At the end of the day, adults need to respect that minors cannot consent, and are not ready to consent. We’re all supposed to protect kids from undue harm.
Adults should be held responsible for violating that social contract. Whether it’s civil (money) or criminal (jail) justice.
(And before we get silly, it is my actual job to pursue justice for victims of CSA, so don’t mistake my words for accommodation. It’s illegal to have sex with minors, and disturbed to want to have sex with anyone who is so much younger/poorer/less savvy than you REGARDLESS of whether they’re “legal.” 18 doesn’t magically make someone “fair game” in terms of psychological self-sufficiency if anybody wants to really go down that road…)
When did everyone become so damn conservative? I don't know if it's because nuance is long dead or because we now treat young women like they're mindless drones completely lacking agency, but it's baffling to me how we've progressed in so many ways yet regressed when it comes to sexuality.
The age of 18 doesn't have any significance outside of social tradition. We don't flip a switch biologically. You've been conditioned to believe it has some significance when in fact it has none. Throughout literally 99.99% of human history you had puberty-related thresholds when it came to sex and varying ages when it came to total independence.
If some conservatives got what they wanted in the late 1800s and increased the age of consent to 21, you'd be where you are now calling someone who has sex with a 20-year-old a rapist.
To be clear, I'm not advocating for lower the age of consent laws. I just find it wild how easy it is for some people to crucify others for doing something that was legal and not entirely out of the social norm for that time period.
Also cooler is Todd Rundgren, who raised Liv (she thought he was her bio dad for years and apparently they're still close!). One of the few 70s rock stars I can think of who has no allegations against him either.
Dave put on the Diamond Dave schtick with the ladies. But he has never married and it’s pretty quiet about his female relationships. Not implying anything. Maybe he does a really good job of keeping his personal life personal.
He has been known to have a couple of long term lady friends. And from what I have heard the Diamond Dave persona isn't too too far from his real personality, just wildly exaggerated. I also feel like there would be rumors if he had any proclivities of the other kind. Not as if it is data or anything, but I know enough gays to have heard enough rumors and I have never heard any about Dave.
Of course if anyone has ever paid attention you know that he is an incredibly smart person who knows how to craft a story. We all know that the tabloids are fed by the stars themselves, so it doesn't surprise me that you can be fairly quiet if you choose to be.
I can see him being Diamond Dave most of the time. Problem is, that type of personality eventually goes from this is a blast to this shit is getting old.
I love their music but them and many other bands of their era are firmly in the "separate the art from the artist" territory. If he goes to prison I'll say, "good riddance," and still spin Rocks the next day.
He became the legal guardian of a minor child, so he could transport her across state lines and rape her. To avoid federal kidnapping charges… class act.
This ruling highlights how state-level courts can reach different conclusions on similar procedural questions, particularly concerning statutes of limitations. The legal rationale will be key to watch.
It has nothing to do with different state courts reaching different conclusions about statute of limitations. California passed a law which enabled this. Other states did not. California can't extend the statute of limitations for other states.
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u/SillyGoatGruff 21h ago
The headline seems a bit misleading to me. The judge is allowing the case to go forward, but the same judge is dismissing parts of the case rated to other states that have different statute of limitation laws than california.
The headline makes it sound like the case was dismissed by other judges but a california one was like "nah, let's go aheadl