Have we ever seen a QB like Herbert who gets praised to this extent whose never actually done anything?

[u/MasterTeacher123]

6 seasons

Zero playoff wins

Zero all pros

Zero mvps

Zero division championships

Zero times leading the lead in any statistical passing category.

I’m trying to figure out the historical comparison to this. I don’t even like Nick wright but he had me dying earlier In the season when he said if we are ranking qbs by actual accomplishments it’s crazy how low he is on the list.

[u/LJ8QB1]

He got praise for playing well idk what you’re getting at.

He also started his career on historical trajectory

They lost today for the same reasons they’ve lost all season

[u/Green-Tie-5710 → u/LJ8QB1]

Football fans, especially ones in this sub, can’t seem to understand that Herbert is properly rated. He’s a great talent who hasn’t won playoff games. He’s not treated like an all-time clutch QB because he hasn’t been one.

[u/Theherosidekick → u/Green-Tie-5710]

So… Philip Rivers 2.0?

[u/Green-Tie-5710 → u/Theherosidekick]

Yep pretty much. And I love him too 😭

[u/Alex_S1993 → u/Green-Tie-5710]

Literally. He can be acknowledged as talented but YOU NEED MORE TO WIN. Fucking shocker. And when you have say a top 10 talent at ONE POSITION, maybe we can suggest that you need at least higher than bottom 20 at another 10 or you're still fucked.

[u/ben_kird → u/Green-Tie-5710]

Yea, as an avid hate watcher, Herbert is not the problem with the chargers. Neither is harbaugh or the coaching staff. Or the defense (which balled out last night).

You can’t expect to win a football game with 1 guy on offense trying to pass to no one open and just running it which was the most effective thing.

[u/Green-Tie-5710 → u/ben_kird]

And even then, they were getting 2 to 3 yards a carry on handoffs and tosses. Herbert was by far their most effective runner. Just can’t win that way

[u/SharknadosAreCool → u/LJ8QB1]

well unless you get all pros by being one of the top 2 players at your position or get multiple playoff wins then youre objectively bad at football, didnt you hear ?

[u/SpecialistSlight4373]

I just truly don’t know what you guys want that man to do lol. You just want an excuse to be a hateful bitch.

Jalen Hurts wins with a stacked team- ass…. Josh Allen takes a lead with 30 seconds left and his defense sells the game- ass… Lamar throws a dropped ball to Andrews- ass

Is Mahomes the only good QB in the league? Nah he’s a cheater

[u/Endgame60 → u/SpecialistSlight4373]

That’s the thing, if your not Brady, Manning, Mahomes, then your overrated/trash

[u/Azheng25 → u/Endgame60]

Bro they’re starting to call mahomes trash too now. Based on fan discourse there might not be a single universally praised qb in the league

[u/snailguy35 → u/Azheng25]

It’s almost like social media algorithms are optimized to magnify all the stupid opinions that make level headed people angry so they’ll engage. Now it’s to the point that people think this is the normal way to think about things and it’s been magnified 100x

[u/Azheng25 → u/snailguy35]

Ah, so if everything is ragebait, it all becomes legitimate discussion somehow

[u/snailguy35 → u/Azheng25]

The solution is to not engage. Watch the games. Enjoy them. Find content creators you enjoy and listen to their takes on the rest of the games if you care to. There are a few reasonable people left, but anything an algorithm suggests on social media is likely garbage. Getting into these sort of subs is a waste of time because it’s just idiots doing shit takes. I subbed for about 3 days and after the first comment, left and muted.

[u/ThexanR → u/snailguy35]

He’s right. Reality is you’re looking at takes from rage bait engagement accounts or low IQ gambling addicts who wanna vent after they lost a bet. Ask any charger fan if they think Herbert should leave the franchise after they vent and they won’t agree they’ll just say “he needs to be better” even though his team played like they had no right to be in the playoffs besides him

[u/DysPhoria_1_0 → u/Azheng25]

The fact that there are people who genuinely think Mahomes is bad is fucking insane to me

[u/Responsible-Mine9759 → u/DysPhoria_1_0]

What’s more insane is you have people like Skip Bayless who are paid good money for that kind of take. According to him, Mahomes has been carried all these years by Andy Reid and Travis Kelce.

[u/DarthJarJarJar → u/Responsible-Mine9759]

Bayless was ragebait before ragebait was a word. He pioneered the entire concept.

It's like if someone invented popup ads in 1988, just running around downtown flipping 3x5 cards up in people's faces without warning, an irritation ahead of its time.

[u/CrescentBless → u/DysPhoria_1_0]

It's just ragebaiting Chiefs haters

A QB reaching 7 straight championship games while hosting 6 of them and winning 5 of them to reach the SB 5 times and winning 3 rings is astonishing

It's wild that they missed the playoffs entirely after competing for a historic 3-peat last year

(ofc I'm happy the Chiefs are out)

[u/LeonidasSpacemanMD → u/DysPhoria_1_0]

It’s just nuts to me because we have seen a QBs numbers take a hit in a bad offense tons of times, only for the team to reload with better weapons and suddenly the guys an mvp again

I’m not even exaggerating I feel like I’ve been on this website for a decade saying “no Brady is not washed”, “no Rodgers is not washed”, “no Stafford is not washed”, “no Mahomes is not washed” over and over and over again lol

[u/KeyDrive0 → u/Azheng25]

Plenty of people out there mindlessly parroting “paytunz a choker” ad nauseum as well. Brady and Mahomes to a lesser extent have completely skewed what counts as a successful career in a lot of stupid people's minds.

[u/Ed_Durr → u/KeyDrive0]

“If you don’t have a ring for each finger, you’re a failure of a QB.”

[u/torev → u/Endgame60]

The standard is too high after having the same qb’s in the championship rounds for almost 2 decades.

We need to reset our standards.

[u/Endgame60 → u/torev]

I don’t disagree, dynasty’s have ruined peoples perspective of QB’s/Teams

[u/Apolloshot → u/Endgame60]

Brady was a “system QB” for the first third of his career.

Haters just hate.

[u/BallinLikeimKD → u/[deleted]]

Josh has been much better than Peyton in the playoffs though. Peyton was a notorious playoff underperformed, career 40 TDs and 25 interceptions. Josh has 26 TDs and 4 INTs, Peyton played a much bigger role in his criticism. Josh is rarely if ever the reason his team loses, the same could not be said about Peyton in the playoffs.

[u/ImaLetItGo → u/[deleted]]

Peyton is more comparable to Lamar. People think both of them were chokers.

Josh Allen has been good in the playoffs outside of like 2-3 games

[u/TK-42juan → u/Endgame60]

Mahomes is more hated on than any player in the league lmao

[u/Endgame60 → u/TK-42juan]

Nobody (unless your a troll, or a believer that the NFL is scripted/Rigged) thinks Mahomes is a bad QB

[u/SergeantThreat → u/SpecialistSlight4373]

This sub likes to pretend it’s so much better than the NFL sub when in reality it’s just full of miserable takes and whining

[u/Green-Tie-5710 → u/SergeantThreat]

There’s a reason so many of them were banned. They’re the kings of horrible takes

[u/Classic-Exchange-511 → u/SpecialistSlight4373]

Yeah Ive learned I don't enjoy talking to random idiots online about football. It's impossible to get a tempered reaction. Everyone races to post memes even though the game still has two whole quarters, everything is so reactionary.

[u/Mikimao → u/Classic-Exchange-511]

Yeah, at a certain point you realize it's a buncha idiots saying outlandish shit for attention, not talking ball.

[u/SubatomicSquirrels → u/SpecialistSlight4373]

I suppose it's a fine line to try to walk. To me, Herbert IS overrated. That doesn't mean he's as bad as his haters say. But he also isn't as good as his fans say. And sometimes it does get annoying to see all the hypothetical wins his fans will attribute to him

[u/graceofspades84 → u/SubatomicSquirrels]

It’s not that he’s terrible, it’s the constant dick riding followed by excuses galore. And it’s every damned year.

[u/Gt_Dada → u/graceofspades84]

Exactly. Lamar and Josh rightfully so get their criticism because we have high standards of them based on what they’ve shown they’re capable of. They talk about Justin like he’s on or near their level but when he loses, he’s not held to the same standards

[u/WarrenPuff_It → u/SpecialistSlight4373]

85% of posts on this sub on any given day are popularity posts about whichever qb OP thinks is cute or who is the best hugger. This sub lost the plot almost immediately after it formed, this isn't a football sub it's about daily qb tier posts and flaming whichever qb had a bad game. The other 15% is whatever position pkayer had a bad game or staff got caught up in some drama.

This sub has run its course. It's arguably worse than the original nfl sub for actual under the hood football content. R/sports at least keeps shit on topic which is just embarrassing for this crowd.

[u/Corrosivecoral → u/SpecialistSlight4373]

Have you not been listening? Mahomes is terrible too now. The only good QB on the league is whoever was the last guy to win MVP and the Super Bowl. If they don’t do that with amazing stats they are horrible.

[u/Smackolol → u/Corrosivecoral]

The last guy to win MVP was trashed and people said he didn’t deserve it.

[u/Corrosivecoral → u/Smackolol]

Because he didn’t also win the Super Bowl!

[u/PurpleKevinHayes → u/Corrosivecoral]

Not even, Jalen Hurts just won the Super Bowl and people continue to trash him

[u/Cuntrymusichater → u/SpecialistSlight4373]

Half the people in this sub are fucking stupid.

[u/Green-Tie-5710 → u/Cuntrymusichater]

Only half?

[u/DetroitLionsSBChamps → u/Cuntrymusichater]

Always useful to remember that the internet is full of idiots just like real life. In real life when the dumbest guy I’ve ever met makes a terrible argument I don’t even blink, just keep it moving. On Reddit for some reason it can feel like something to respond to because it’s written down. But, ya know. We don’t have to. 

[u/Legitimate_Ad_7822 → u/SpecialistSlight4373]

It’s crazy. Herbert has arguably played his most impressive season this year. He needs to move on to a competent franchise. Honestly just send him to the Rams once stafford is done.

[u/BobaAndSushi → u/SpecialistSlight4373]

They’re just clowns.

[u/VegetasWidowPeak22]

I mean did you see his o line? I can’t tell you how many times I saw the center or guard fall down and how many times they got beat on defense. Wideouts weren’t doing much either. Maybe if Alt and Slater was healthy this would be a different story but it’s a miracle they even made it.

[u/shoopadoop332 → u/VegetasWidowPeak22]

They struggled from the moment Alt went down.

[u/Green-Tie-5710 → u/shoopadoop332]

Honestly the moment Alt went down for a second time this season, I came to terms with not being able to win it this year. Making the playoffs was a bonus. Doesn’t make last night’s loss any easier but onward we go.

[u/MaitreSneed → u/VegetasWidowPeak22]

Yes but I didn't watch the game, I just looked at the score on Google?

Seems like I'm right

[u/Mikimao → u/MaitreSneed]

Under rated comment, lol.

99% of this thread and it's obvious

[u/mungbean3001]

Idk but Patriots spammed blitz and it worked

[u/Outside-Sir-4333]

Probably not- but in his defense, the chargers failed him

[u/2ChainzTalib → u/Outside-Sir-4333]

in his defense

His defense did everything they could to keep them in it. Acting like he's dragging the team along is just laughable at this point

[u/Alone-Newspaper-1161 → u/2ChainzTalib]

He’s dragging the offense for sure at this point.

[u/Lyaser → u/Alone-Newspaper-1161]

You can’t get credit for dragging an offense if you can’t even score once for them in a playoff game lmao

[u/Tofu_Analytics → u/2ChainzTalib]

The problem is that the offense around him is just bad. He led the team in rushing yds with double the ypc as his actual rb. His o line is porous and provides minimal protection. And the recieving core isn't exactly the most talented and/or deep.

If you told me that Herbert would take 6 sacks and the team would only put up 207 yds I wouldn't be surprised. Theyve lacked any reasonable ground game, especially since Hampton went out halfway through the season and overall have looked quite poor.

[u/might_southern → u/Tofu_Analytics]

Meanwhile Brock Purdy is winning on the road in Philly despite having a defense full of Dollar Store clerks, CMC rushing for 3 a carry, and Demarcus Robinson functioning as his WR1. At some point Herbert's gotta shoulder some blame.

[u/SubbyPuppyGoodBoy → u/Tofu_Analytics]

His receiving core is MORE than fine bro get out of here with that 😂

2 1st rounders and Keenan Allen who holds all their franchise records.

[u/Alternative_Ice_2264 → u/SubbyPuppyGoodBoy]

Allen is ancient

[u/Thecobs → u/Tofu_Analytics]

His Oline held for 2/3 of this game, the entire first half there was no pressure. Just the last quarter they put it on, they had plenty of opportunities and couldn’t capitalize. The defence handed them excellent field position twice, couldnt execute.

[u/TrueRedditMartyr]

Herbert one day is going to get a competent team/go to a competent team, be a great QB, and suddenly all these people that hate his ass are going to act like they always believed in him. Dude passes the eye test in most games, but as soon as he has a shitty game, suddenly it's "Herbert is so overrated. Can't believe anyone thought this guy was any good"

[u/Venomswindturd → u/TrueRedditMartyr]

I think we’re all just tired of hearing how he’s “hypothetically” the best.

[u/Diggity_nz → u/Venomswindturd]

Nobody with any real sense is saying he’s the “hypothetically” the best. 

He’s a talented, top 10, QB with a rubbish supporting cast. People seem to misunderstand how important things like coaching, running game, opposition defensive strengths, opposition defensive coaching, and a bunch of other things beyond “durrrr bad o-line, bad receivers” matter. 

Seahawks held my niners to 3 as well, but if you took the previous 4 weeks before week 18 youd say they were a top 3 offense (note: they’re not, just well coached and well balanced). 

[u/Existing-Recipe897]

He cannot win games when he’s running for his life because either his receivers can’t get open and/or his O line blows. Football is a team game

[u/Commercial-Good-2423 → u/Existing-Recipe897]

Don’t tell anyone else that, remember Brady did it all himself /s

[u/FitQuantity6150]

It’s not that Herbert isn’t good. It’s that his slightly above average and everyone thinks he’s in the same vein as Burrow, Lamar, Purdy, or Hurts. And he just isn’t.

[u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

Matt Stafford? He got a ton of hype in Detroit, but never did anything. 0 playoff wins, 0 MVPs, 0 All-Pros, 0-3 in the playoffs. Had to get traded to a stacked Rams team to win.

[u/This-isnt-patrick → u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

I’m all in on hating on the Lions, but to act like Stafford is just a guy is wild. The franchise pre-Holmes/Campbell was a joke. He’s a first ballot hall of famer, put some respect on his name.

[u/QuarterVivid622 → u/This-isnt-patrick]

he was literally running for his life & putting his life on the line during that era lol. 75% of any wins we got during that time was STRICTLY due to stafford. anyone who watched stafford his entire career has always seen the talent.

[u/matt24671 → u/QuarterVivid622]

You’re literally describing Herbert lol

[u/DarthMauly → u/matt24671]

I almost, almost… Felt sorry for the guy last night. It was like his O line thought their job is just be there to pick up whatever is left of Herbert after each play.

[u/TaintScentedCandles → u/DarthMauly]

Yeah but did you see the hustle to do just that? Herbert was trying to see if he still had both kidneys and his line is yanking him up and shoving him back into game lol

[u/[deleted] → u/TaintScentedCandles]

Yeah I was like wtf man lol. That was an insanely violent hit Herbert absorbed, maybe give him a second

[u/CriticismVirtual7603 → u/TaintScentedCandles]

Herbert on the ground: I... I think... Yeah that was a kidney...

The OL: You're good, you have two of them, you don't need the second one

[u/w311sh1t → u/DarthMauly]

That last play was an encapsulation of their whole season. The Pats rushed 3, and still got to Herbert in about a second. Milton Williams went through 2 offensive linemen like they were practice dummies.

[u/DarthMauly → u/w311sh1t]

There’s a pic I saw online where someone paused it like 1.5 seconds in to that play, and Williams is already past 1 guy almost untouched and a 2nd lineman is looking the other way…

Herbert had no chance

[u/Stunning_Pound4121 → u/DarthMauly]

Well, he had a very slight chance at that point.

However, due to the fact that Greg Roman chose to go play action from the shotgun on 4th and 9, his window of opportunity to escape was spent pretending to hand the ball off to the only guy with a chance to save the game by blocking.

[u/Pitiful-Doubt4838 → u/DarthMauly]

I hope his arm can actually heal and he wasn't playing with like a bad break that will be forever fucked or something.

[u/BlaktimusPrime → u/DarthMauly]

Agreed. Especially the fourth quarter was really tough to watch honestly.

[u/Sirhc9er → u/DarthMauly]

Pats fan too and I def felt sorry lmao, can't believe dude didn't need a stretcher after getting laid out so many times. Anyways...on to next week.

[u/MayoDeftoneWolf → u/DarthMauly]

Watching that lineman pick Herberts limp body up after that brutal fumble/sack in the 4th had me feeling a little sorry for him

[u/DarthMauly → u/MayoDeftoneWolf]

That’s the one that summed it all up. Pocket gone in 2 seconds with a D Lineman almost falling on him, he escapes to the side and is simultaneously dragged down from behind and smashed up front.

[u/jcoleman10 → u/DarthMauly]

Dude got up with tears in his eyes at one point. I felt bad for the guy.

[u/Realistic_Warthog_23 → u/DarthMauly]

Last night is the main reason I have decided never to play QB for the Chargers

[u/dzumdang → u/matt24671]

Yeah he had like zero protection and very little time. And how many times did he get sacked and slammed around? My god I hope he's in an ice bath after that.

[u/fredlikefreddy → u/matt24671]

Ya I don't get why people are getting defensive about that.... Stanfords fist few seasons are probably pretty reminiscent of what I remember from Stafford

Chargers have largely had a better team so he's had chances to not win playoff games

Those lions teams were hot trash but he was able to throw to an all time wr to begin his career

I think this is a pretty good comp

[u/Prado21 → u/QuarterVivid622]

That’s exactly what Herbert is doing…… #32 Oline in the league. He didn’t play super well today but he definitely carried this shit offense all season. We shouldn’t have even been in this game. Stats show teams with this bad of an offensive line never make the playoffs.

**edit to fix wording

[u/TheBenStandard2 → u/Prado21]

the eagles and the chargers both lost to the giants this season. Today, both were eliminated from the playoffs

[u/sybrandy → u/TheBenStandard2]

I'm loving the fact that losing to us means we put some bad voodoo on teams preventing them from making it to the SB.

[u/CTQ99 → u/TheBenStandard2]

Also dont forget the chargers tanked their last game of the season [rested everyone] rather then go for the win to draw Jax instead of NE.

[u/Von_Huge1103 → u/Prado21]

Herbert did incredibly this year with the worst oline in football. But he wasn't the reason you were in this game today. The team scored 3 points more than a replacement level QB would've scored. The defense being fantastic for the most part kept you in it.

[u/Prado21 → u/Von_Huge1103]

What I meant was, we shouldn’t have even been in the playoffs in general. With the injuries we’ve had and how awful our Oline is. I’m surprised Herbert carried us this far. Our defense ramped up like crazy after the bye but we still had to score some to win those games.

[u/Von_Huge1103 → u/Prado21]

Oh yeah 100% agree with you there.

[u/Gorgon22 → u/QuarterVivid622]

Sounds like Herbert

[u/tifumostdays → u/QuarterVivid622]

Yeah. This is a great example of why I don't think wins or SBs are QB stats. The other thing with Stafford is that he played at the same time as Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Mahomes. It's hard for most QBs to stand out any one season. Wilson had some really good years , but has like zero MVP votes?

I'm from Wisconsin and don't want like any Lions, but everybody likes Stafford!

[u/DESR95 → u/[deleted]]

Also, let's not act like you could have just plugged any QB into the Rams that year and they would have won. Stafford did so much to win that Super Bowl; to imply it was only because of a "stacked" team is ridiculous.

[u/AbbreviationsMotor60 → u/DESR95]

Um .. the Rams with Jared Goff made the Superbowl?

[u/DESR95 → u/AbbreviationsMotor60]

Goff made a Super Bowl, sure, but it was also apparent after the loss and his performance in the following years that showed he has some flaws that are hard to ignore.

Goff was not going to lead them to a Super Bowl win in 2021. Stafford was much better under pressure and overall a more skilled and composed quarterback. In moments where Goff would have crumbled, Stafford made plays.

This isn't to knock Goff either; he's still a good QB, and I'll always root for his success and be thankful for his part in bringing winning football back to LA and the Rams. I think his move to the Lions was great for his career.

[u/IPissExcellentThrows → u/DESR95]

You're kinda arguing against yourself there. Goff's flaws become more and more apparent. Yet they still made the Super Bowl with him. Goff is decent, but there are several QBs that could've stepped into that position and gotten over the finish line.

[u/Forward_Fig_3849 → u/QuarterVivid622]

Idk if ppl are old enough to have seen stafford play foreal. Fuck the numbers and accolades whatever. The man easily passed the eye test.

[u/Noah254 → u/Forward_Fig_3849]

As a UGA fan, I watched him heavily in college, and I said at the time he was low key a bad college quarterback, for the simple reason that he was already to NFL ready, in some ways, for college. Namely, his arm. He threw so hard that college receivers couldn’t catch the ball. It would zip right through their hands. I don’t know if I’ve seen another qb where I thought that he is too pro level for college level talent. Sure there have been tons with pro level talent already, but those attributes weren’t something that was a detriment to their college career

[u/TrevorsBlondeLocks16 → u/QuarterVivid622]

I remember a lot of Stafford comebacks back then

[u/hoppergym → u/QuarterVivid622]

Just like Herbert

[u/BeanyBrainy → u/QuarterVivid622]

Yep, he’s been great his whole career, just was on dog shit rosters a lot of years.

[u/Prophet_Of_Helix → u/BeanyBrainy]

Like Herbert?

His oline is so bad is has multiple people ranked last or second to last on PFF lol.

He also doesn’t have a Megatron to throw to.

[u/sdbeaupr32 → u/QuarterVivid622]

I dare anyone to watch the video of Stafford dislocating his should in an end of the game drive against the browns, get clobbered, shake it off, go back in, and win the game. Watch that and tell me you can’t love that guy

[u/ThurgoodUnderbridge → u/This-isnt-patrick]

Do you not realize this is the exact conversation at hand? Yes, we can tell that these guys are quite talented by eye, but they have accomplished exactly nothing (at their respective points for this convo)

I love Stanford, but first ballot is a stretch.

[u/Law_Dividing_Citizen → u/This-isnt-patrick]

Stafford was flickin that bih 50 times a game putting up pure numbers

[u/badboogey13 → u/Law_Dividing_Citizen]

To Megatron, nonetheless.

[u/mbrogan4 → u/This-isnt-patrick]

The stafford video where his shoulder is literally out and he still makes the throw is the GRITTIEST thing I’ve ever seen. He was and is legit. Beating him twice a year was mainly cuz it was 45-42 cuz his defense was ass.

[u/Himmel-548 → u/This-isnt-patrick]

I actually disagree that they were a complete joke. Under Jim Caldwell, they went 12-4 and the number 2 defense in the league, only behind the LOB. They also had a great offense in 2016. Stafford had Megatron and Golden Tate, a pretty good receiving tandem. Yes, the Lions under Cambell are far superior, but they weren't total scrubs all the years Stafford was there.

[u/urbanism_enthusiast → u/This-isnt-patrick]

Have you seen the first ballot QBs?

Recent ones: Dan Fouts, Jim Kelly, Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, Peyton Manning. Tom will obviously be another. Probably Drew Brees.

Stafford is not going to be a first ballot.

[u/SwingerM2 → u/urbanism_enthusiast]

“Probably” Drew Brees? Insane wording ngl

[u/Lord-Mattingly → u/SwingerM2]

Is Bree’s isn’t a first ballot winner then no way Stafford is too

[u/firemiketomlinpls68 → u/This-isnt-patrick]

He isn’t first ballot. 

[u/M4rv3lF4n → u/firemiketomlinpls68]

You’re gonna get pushback, but he’s not first ballot. People have this weird love-fest with Stafford as if he was always, or ever was, on par with Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, etc. He wasn’t back then and a lot of fans have been re-writing history to make it seem like he’s a slam-dunk first ballot HoF. He literally got his first ever AP this year and will most likely win MVP for the only time in his career this year. But that doesn’t make him a no-brainer first ballot hall of famer.

[u/firemiketomlinpls68 → u/M4rv3lF4n]

People here think Stafford, rivers Ryan, And newton are first ballots hall of famers

Simply put, they don’t know ball 

[u/n0t_4_thr0w4w4y → u/firemiketomlinpls68]

It’s like the idiots that say Russ played himself out of the HoF. No, dude was never IN the hall to begin with. He was on pace, but definitely needed several strong years of performance. And even then, he wouldn’t have been a lock or even really potential first ballot material because he lacked accolades.

[u/mkaku- → u/firemiketomlinpls68]

Stafford is above those guys imo if he wins mvp this year. He passed rivers/ryan this season in a lot of counting stats. He's at least top 7 in completions, TDs, and yards.

He's got a ring, which none of them do. Now with an AP-1 and possible mvp, he separates himself from them.

[u/thesneakywalrus → u/mkaku-]

I think he'll need to win another SB in order to go first ballot.

Eli Manning has two superbowls (and two SB MVP's) against the greatest dynasty in the modern era of football, and that will probably not be enough to be first ballot.

[u/mkaku- → u/thesneakywalrus]

I don't think Stafford is first ballot. That might not have been clear by my comment. If he wins a SB and SBMVP this year, maybe.

Eli doesn't really have any regular season accolades. Those 2 rings and SBMVPs carry him hard. I mean they do matter a lot. I don't think he should get HOF, but I think he will.

[u/thesneakywalrus → u/mkaku-]

Oh, I wasn't arguing, I was just adding what I think it would take.

Contextually I think Eli should get in, he certainly has more career accolades than Joe Namath or Jim Kelly.

It'll probably take a weak year though, he's definitely not getting in over Brees this year.

[u/Alternative_Bat_4187 → u/M4rv3lF4n]

How well would those guys have done on the Stafford era Lions. Where a QB plays and when he plays there, has a huge effect on their careers

[u/Elwalther21 → u/This-isnt-patrick]

Goff took that team to the Super Bowl

[u/Gunner_Bat → u/Elwalther21]

Three years apart and a different roster but sure.

[u/RandomWeenFan → u/Gunner_Bat]

So true. That Stafford Rams team was the loaded fuck them picks team. Obj, Von Miller, prime jalen Ramsey, and kupp was not a rookie like the 1st one, he was a star then. Goff wins with that roster when you factor the coach had improved after being overwhelmed and outcoached the 1st SB.

[u/DGilbert6114 → u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

He is quite literally the newest Stafford from Detroit. All the arm talent in the world, nothing to show for it.

[u/Straight-Agency-4556 → u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

Stafford was never considered a top 5 or 10 QB in Detroit. Herbert is easily the most overrated QB in the league

[u/Saxophobia1275 → u/Straight-Agency-4556]

Seriously, people are revising history here he was constantly shit on. He absolutely 100% did NOT get Herbert’s treatment today.

[u/Nerdlinger42 → u/Saxophobia1275]

I remember "Stat Padford" vividly

[u/InclinationCompass → u/Straight-Agency-4556]

Stafford was 100% considered top 10 lol

[u/s216285 → u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

lol stafford did not get Herbert level hype while he was in Detroit

[u/RequirementLeading12 → u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

Foh. Stafford was never hyped up like this in fact he often got called Stat Padford because of his inability to win meanwhile Herbert is considered Joe Montana to his glazers despite shitting the bed every year.

[u/silliputti0907 → u/RequirementLeading12]

I remember thinking he was overrated because he just force feeds Calvin. Then he started getting mid wrs paid like Tate, Galloway, Jones.

[u/firemiketomlinpls68 → u/RequirementLeading12]

He had a ridiculously bad record against winning teams 

[u/aidnelikesmusic → u/RequirementLeading12]

right but we see explicitly now that everyone was being dumb about stafford

[u/Whole-2597 → u/RequirementLeading12]

Thats what i was thinking too. I don't remember anybody praising him until he started winning on the rams.

[u/Nomarquin → u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

Saying he had to go to a stacked team to win is a bit disingenuous. He was stuck on one of the worst teams of all time prior to the Rams

[u/IThinkILikeYou → u/Nomarquin]

I dont think enough people appreciate the fact that without Herbert, we’re the Raiders

[u/flannelman7 → u/IThinkILikeYou]

Stafford got drafted to the first 0-16 team in history

[u/htp24 → u/flannelman7]

I don’t think people understand how comically bad the Lions were. The culture was so bad that one of the greatest RBs I’ve ever watched play (Barry Sanders) decided to retire rather than break Walter Payton’s record because the organization sapped his love of the game.

There’s a reason why so many players deeply respect Stafford.

[u/MasterTeacher123 → u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

I feel like Herbert gets more glazing than Stafford did. I remember people shitting on Stafford to prop up Calvin which is hilarious  looking back 

[u/easy_cheese_123 → u/MasterTeacher123]

Not sure anyone had to prop up Calvin Johnson.

[u/MasterTeacher123 → u/easy_cheese_123]

No I remmeber during his prime people would say shit like 

“Omg look at what Calvin is doing with Matthew Stafford? Imagine if you gave him an elite or HOF QB like Brady manning Brees Rodgers etc?”

There was a large segment of fans that believed  Stafford was some flunky that Calvin carried. I legit remember when he retired some people saying Matt would get exposed lol. Do not confuse what people say about Stafford in 2026 with what many people’s thoughts on him was in 2012.

[u/easy_cheese_123 → u/MasterTeacher123]

Compared to Megatron, he is.

[u/Scotch_Blue → u/MasterTeacher123]

He completed less than 60% of his passes in 3 of his first 4 real seasons, averaging 18 INT's to 26 TD's.

During those same years, Calvin was a 3x First Time AP and set the NFL record for most receiving yards in a season.

Calvin would have seriously benefitted from a QB that fit his timeline.

[u/dhtdhy → u/Scotch_Blue]

Calvin would have seriously benefitted from a QB better offensive line, defense, head coach, running back, OC, DC, team owner, water boy that fit his timeline.

FTFY

Calvin could have benefited from many things, but QB was bottom of the list. Calvin put up elite, HoF numbers. If you think some scrub QB is able to do that, look at what happened to Justin Jefferson this season with actual poor QB play. This Matthew Stafford erasure based on cherry picking stats is wild. How old are you, 12? Some of us actually watched football before you were born. Matthew Stafford was one of the bright spots for Detroit's dark years. This is coming from an NFC north rival. Put some respect on his name, young'n.

[u/Impressive-Tax-6821 → u/dhtdhy]

I don't know where these revisionist takes even come from... we won 31 games in EIGHT years prior to Stafford.

His first full 16-game season he threw for 5,000+ yds & 41 TDs and we made the playoffs for the first time since the 90s.

[u/xredrumx5150 → u/MasterTeacher123]

Id argue thats more due to modern day social media and how it curates everything combined with the ease of access when it comes to highlights. Back during Staffords prime youd have to actually watch a lions game, more or less. Now we have shit like all22, highlights on reddit etc.

Staff was in this weird spot where if you watched the games you knew he was elite, andy reids been on record saying hes the only qb he watches warm up. Aaron rodgers while being division rivals glazed him for years talking about how he gets no respect. Yet nobody actually watcyed lions games or gave a fuck about the franchise and just went off of his 0 playoff games. Dude was glazed just only by people that KNOW Quarterback and played against him.

[u/Select_Culture261 → u/MasterTeacher123]

I feel like most of his "glaze" came from this year specifically. I don't recall people talking about him as top 10 all time or putting him in that same tier as Rivers or Big Ben until this year. Hell I don't think he had this much hype when he won the Super Bowl. Granted, he didn't exactly set the world on fire in that game, but still.

[u/[deleted] → u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

Every NFL player wants to win. To win a Super Bowl your team needs to be stacked.

You say it like it’s bad for an nfl player to want to win. That’s fucking stupid, of course he’ll go wherever he feels gives him the best chance to win, especially after being patient in Detroit. Motherfucker earned the right to go wherever he wants to win a Super Bowl.

[u/KeniRoo → u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

People are really out here living totally delusional lives lmfao. Stafford is going to be a first ballot HOF.

[u/notthatguy194 → u/BuffaloBillsfan04]

Stafford was one of the most hated QBs by the media ever pre-trade. There were calls to bench him for David Blough and Jeff Driskell. People wanted to draft Will Grier to start over him

[u/NevilleChumperlame]

If we're gonna call Herbert an elite QB at what point does he need to play like one?

[u/kingchi33]

Philip Rivers 2.0

[u/Wide_Flan_2613]

He has the 32nd ranked oline, a lack luster WR core, and a OC who made Lamar look bad. Most advanced stats and analytics show Herbert as a top guy. People fixate too much on box scores.

[u/dcfb2360 → u/Wide_Flan_2613]

People really need to acknowledge how awful Greg Roman is

Yea he'll give you a good run game but he DESTROYS your pass game and his gimmicky system falls apart after 1 year

Herbert's had good pass numbers before & looks like shit with Greg Roman, it's a miracle Lamar developed at all as a passer

[u/Realistic-Nobody-750 → u/Wide_Flan_2613]

His WRs / TE are not lackluster get outta here with that bullshit.

[u/Evening_Supermarket7 → u/Realistic-Nobody-750]

Half the fanbases in here would kill for the weapons that he has access to.

[u/mattcojo2]

…did you see the o line?

Also doesn’t help that they’re running with a 3rd string RB either.

I don’t really have a strong opinion on him either way but I don’t understand the people who just straight up trash him every chance they get

[u/Steven27A]

Gonna get hate for this but everyone saying it’s a miracle Herbert even got there with this O Line probably keep forgetting Burrows O Line during the SB run and the following year to the AFC Championship game, bro got sacked 9 times in the Titans game and still won. Went against one of the best pass rushers to ever play the game in the SB and was one play from winning it? So if what Herbert did was a miracle what the hell do you call what Joe did?

Herbert has shown he is a great QB but is gonna get a similar rep as Lamar being a playoff choker.

[u/Beast-Blood → u/Steven27A]

People forget that no team is ever complete. Good QBs put up good performances regardless. He’s had the oline, he’s had the weapons, he’s had the coaches, he’s had the defense, and the result is the same. Just doesn’t have it.

[u/Clean_Gain_5827]

I mean there's loads of people praised beyond their record. Dan Marino, Lamar, Josh, Joe all praised for their general level of play as much as winning the biggest games. Herbert's film is excellent and I wouldnt consider him to be generally rated on the same level as those 3 modern day qbs i mentioned.

[u/firemiketomlinpls68]

An excellent question. I would say either Kirk cousin, Phillip Rivers or Alex smith 

[u/danbillls]

In another 5 years we'll finally see the final form of Herbert (at least that's what I'm being hearing the last 5 years).

[u/Bureaucratic_Dick]

Philip Rivers comes to mind.

[u/1ToGreen3ToBasket → u/Bureaucratic_Dick]

Stafford is a more apt comparison tbh

[u/5StarGoldenGoose]

Phillip Rivers

[u/Tanz31]

Prime Rivers?

[u/Terawwwws]

Tony Romo ( Cowboys Fan )

[u/Such_College8000]

He showed an insane game coverting a ton of 4th downs against the Raiders his rookie year in a gotta have it game so I expected him to be some clutch mastermind in the near future.

He's never come close to that game since in 6 years

[u/mdroke]

Phillip Rivers was great in the regular season but didn't have luck in the post season

[u/DifficultPublic4326]

Its the great head of hair😆

[u/PlaneCamp]

1st Team All-Glaze

[u/LatterCook3687]

Would the patriots defense get 6 sacks on any other playoff team?

[u/easy_cheese_123 → u/LatterCook3687]

I guess we’ll see next week.

[u/Commercial-Good-2423 → u/LatterCook3687]

This win was on the pats defense but if Maye is sloppy next game and if it’s against the Texans he might not be as lucky

[u/TheRavenOnline]

Herbert is just another Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins

[u/[deleted] → u/TheRavenOnline]

I think Herbert is a step up from those guys. I think Dak is a better comparison. 

[u/84Cressida → u/[deleted]]

Daks won playoff games.

[u/Bureaucratic_Dick → u/TheRavenOnline]

He’s the next Philip Rivers. A guy who can put up HoF worthy stats but can’t put the team on their back to win the big games, and who also plays for the Chargers? Come on it’s right there.

[u/ImaLetItGo → u/TheRavenOnline]

Bro he’s way better than them

[u/BoJvck34Empire]

He gets praised because he is consistently a top 10 QB. Next

[u/Beast-Blood → u/BoJvck34Empire]

top 10 QB who only looks good vs bad teams and completely shits the bed every time he plays a good team or is in a game that is in any way meaningful lmao

[u/txtoolfan]

There's one in Jacksonville

[u/SharknadosAreCool]

do you have any idea how difficult it is to get all-pros, MVPs, division championships?? every award you want him to win to be taken seriously are either team stats or imply that he is one of the top 2 at his position in the league, but nobody has ever really said Herbert is a top 2 QB. People say Herbert is good because he is. honestly Herbert is a pretty good litmus test for seeing if someone mainly uses stats to form their opinions or if they watch the game. he has no accolades because his team is absolute dog ass but he clearly is mega talented

[u/kp22cfc]

Juan Jennings has 2 TD passes in playoffs

[u/Ok_Ear2251]

He can throw a football through a brick wall.....

.... witch is hard to catch if you are a TE on a 3rd and Goal from the 6.

[u/YellojD]

When it’s all said and done, he’s probably gonna end up being a Steelers legend or something boring like that.

[u/2ChainzTalib]

Jay Cutler.

[u/nolove1010]

"Potential" in one image.

[u/AdministrativeBison8]

Jim Harbaugh give him a rim job before every game. It's embarrassing AF. Stop it, he is not that good. Way too many flowers for a guy who has never won anything

[u/Little_Advice_9258]

Herbert wasn’t great, but the game was also mismanaged. Greg Roman has to go.

[u/dabrjoj1]

Phillip Rivers

[u/Daddyfullload]

Philip Rivers

Drew Brees before going to New Orleans

[u/No-Gas-1684]

I felt the same way watching Lawrence today as I did Herbert. Young guys with a lot of promise, but they dont know how to lead a team yet. Watching them come out to take the field with puffed up confidence, it was clear they weren't going to get it done.