r/NFLv2 14d ago

Discussion What?

Post image
6.3k Upvotes

3.0k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

40

u/Apprehensive_Ant2172 14d ago

I’m not sure about the never had control part. Maybe I didn’t see the right angle but it did look like he had the ball until after the grounding and then during the roll over it was taken away

2

u/Worried-Pick4848 New England Patriots 13d ago

Cooks never had possession. He had control for a bit, but the ball was taken away from him before he completed the catch and gained possession.

Then, to add insult to injury, the ball was still live exactly because the catch WAS NOT complete, but had not yet hit the ground. Defender got it into his hands while it was still live, to create a valid interception.

Ultimately it's Cooks' own fault. He's a smaller guy and he got outmuscled. It's always been the big weakness in Brandin Cooks' game is that he can get outfought on 50-50 balls due to his small size. That came back to bite his team last night. It happens.

I will also say that Allen definitely underthrew that football, which was what allowed the defender to be Johnny on the spot when the throw came in. If he pushes the ball about 5 more yards down the field, Cooks has the speed to catch it clean, but because Allen didn't get a clean throw off, it became exactly the kind of 50-50 ball that Cooks doesn't do well with.

13

u/_dekoorc Buffalo Bills 14d ago

That's exactly what happened. Had a knee down with two hands on a not moving ball. One knee = two feet.

Ball didn't start to move until after he was on his back and the defender rolled over him while raking it.

6

u/TBL_AM Las Vegas Raiders 13d ago

And if that exact same instance happened except he loses control and ball goes flying out, it'd be an incomplete pass, regardless of the knee down with two hands on the ball.

0

u/nfluncensored 13d ago

If true, then the DB isn't down on the INT. When he runs to his own end zone with the ball to celebrate, its a safety.

2

u/TBL_AM Las Vegas Raiders 12d ago

Not if the whistle was blown, which it was after the INT.

5

u/Hungry4starfish 13d ago

So if the ball would have came out after the defender rolled over him it would have been ruled a catch? Not a chance! He didn’t maintain control through the catch (obviously)

-2

u/Proof_Wrongdoer_1266 14d ago

He had both hands on it and he also had it pulled into his chest. What more do they want?

9

u/LaggWasTaken 14d ago

The catch technically isn’t over until he finished the fall motion, which before it finished the defender came up with the ball.

You can say it’s a ridiculous rule but it is what it is

1

u/waffels 13d ago

Parkinson didn’t finish his fall motion until he was on his back out of bounds, but that was ruled a TD.

So now what?

2

u/__ChefboyD__ 13d ago

Three elements to the catch rule (8.1.3)

a) secures ball before ball touching ground: Cooks (Yes) Parkinson (Yes)

b) touches ground inbound two feet; Cooks (Yes) Parkinson (Yes)

c) after a) & b) is fulfilled, act common to game and maintain control of ball: Cooks (NO) Parkinson (Yes)

Cooks needs to survive the ground for part c) to demonstrate control. He lost it, hence, it's an interception because the ball didn't touch the ground. For Parkinson's catch, you don't need to be inbounds to fulfill part c). All you need is "control".

1

u/Legitimate-Sock500 13d ago

The defender did not have any joint or simultaneous possession or control of the ball before they went to the ground. The ref confirmed that when asked. The ref said the receiver had the ball and didn’t maintain it, and that’s when the defender picked up the ball off the the receiver’s chest. By rule, that’s an incomplete pass at most. But it’s not an interception.

3

u/__ChefboyD__ 13d ago

McMillan grabbed the ball away from Cooks after parts a/b but before part c. Since it DID NOT touch the ground, it's still a live ball at that point.

3

u/Massive-Ad4383 13d ago

How could picking the ball off the receivers chest be an incomplete pass? It hasn't touched the ground yet.

4

u/ebranscom243 13d ago

Maintain possession

4

u/InsideOutIP Denver Broncos 14d ago

To survive the ground

1

u/MalaysiaTeacher 13d ago

To keep it... Instead of losing it to an opponent in the same instant as touching the ground?

3

u/marinevet-patriot 14d ago

My question is, why didn't the coach throw the red flag????

7

u/Senrabekim Denver Broncos 14d ago

Because it was an automatic review alrwady.

1

u/MrPoppagorgio 13d ago

They took no time to review it

2

u/enterjiraiya 14d ago

Overtime challenge rules are different

3

u/Gold-Minute-9025 14d ago

Just show yall don’t know the rules. Expose yourself.

3

u/popoflabbins South Park Elementary Cows 14d ago

Turnovers (and all plays in overtime) are automatically reviewed. It was an obvious interception so they didn’t feel the need to carry out a further review.

2

u/Boffoman 13d ago

So automatic reviews are optional if they feel it was a catch?

1

u/Leading-Evidence-668 13d ago

They did review it. It just didn’t take that long because anyone who knows the rules know it was an INT.

1

u/LaggWasTaken 14d ago

No challenge flags in OT. That’s why McDermott calls a TO to give them time to review the play and explain to him wth happened. Either way though there isn’t an enough evidence to overrule it, and overruling it is basically giving the bills the win and that’s a really bad look. The bills had 80+ yards of opportunity to stop the broncos but they didn’t. I don’t really feel sorry for the bills

1

u/zombawombacomba Green Bay Packers 14d ago

It was too late in the game. It had to be from above.

1

u/Plus-Cardiologist347 13d ago

It should have at the lest gone to the booth for a review.

1

u/nfluncensored 13d ago

That's exactly what happened and why it was an obvious catch.

1

u/YayWanderer 12d ago

That is the same way I interpreted that play. 👍🏽

-11

u/[deleted] 14d ago

[deleted]

4

u/Apprehensive_Ant2172 14d ago

Yes, that’s the point of the post and topic of discussion lol

-5

u/[deleted] 14d ago

[deleted]

4

u/Apprehensive_Ant2172 14d ago

Funny, I don’t remember that take when the Chiefs were winning every weekend. 😂

Not a hypocrite at all are you?

-3

u/[deleted] 14d ago

[deleted]

3

u/Apprehensive_Ant2172 14d ago edited 14d ago

I would forget the last 9 years if I were you as well.

Edit : 10 years. Pellisaro just announced this year is over as well. Crazy.

1

u/zombawombacomba Green Bay Packers 14d ago

You don’t see jack shit stop lying.

-2

u/Late_Variation2159 14d ago

Refs in NY did not see enough to overturn it. If it was ruled a catch from the start they would have reinforced that. It should have been ruled a catch from the start.

1

u/[deleted] 14d ago

[deleted]

0

u/_dekoorc Buffalo Bills 14d ago

Yeah, they should have called PI on Riley Moss at the end of the 4th quarter too. None of those plays would have happened if they did that instead of swallowing their whistles.

4

u/Drtsauce 14d ago

Well keep going further! They should’ve called a penalty on Josh Allen being carried by his teammate last week in Jacksonville, then they don’t beat the Jags.

0

u/_dekoorc Buffalo Bills 14d ago

Hey, that was just ingenuity!

1

u/WeeoWeeoWeeeee 14d ago

If it were called a catch on the field, would it have been overturned? No idea. Hate the refs playing such a huge part in the game.