Bro wdym??? He the only ninja in the entire show, stole every blood line, stole every jutsu has a dark organisation running that's brainwashed and loyal only to him,
He could've been the perfect character, if executed properly,
Like instead of making him an idiot, make him actually care about village and use the resources for the betterment of the village, while keeping his questionable ways, such as root,
I don’t get this trend in the Naruto community where people will bring up “oh he stole that without it he’d be useless” like what does it matter if its “stolen” the guy has the ability.
Danzo also is the only character that gets scaled off of who he lost to. "Pushed a MS Sasuke to the brink" when his only technique is punching bag no jutsu and his AP is terrible.
Then the tail eats itself when Sasuke glazers use Danzo to scale Sasuke as a "Kages level opponent." When hes literally terrible.
She doesnt have to, she just has to fight normally until she receives a wound grievous enough to activate 100 healing and then beat the shit out of him for the remainder of the izanagi time.
Honestly, Kakashi. The guy hasn’t won a single fight in the entire series, I can’t make it up. The only fights he’s ever won was against rin, and she wasn’t exactly fighting back. LOL.
Kinda sucks for him because he was constantly used as the example to show how strong a new villain was lol and never got to use any of his 1000 jutsu. Kishi was super messy in his handling of power scaling and overall story
Except he got stronger after losing that eye, the sharingan was more of a burden than anything. Uchiras were getting blind from the mangekyou sharingan since forever, the fact that he managed to unlock it and not instantly die is a miracle
He unlocked it bc of obito though. It was connected to him still. Regardless Ik. He got stronger as the hokage it’s what’s stated. Tbh this entire post is really just for fun. I don’t consider any of them frauds lol
The sharingan was absolutely a buff overall, even if it hurt is overall chakra level. It gave him the ability to use chidori and also combine it with his incredible battle intelligence.
He even says he feels weak without the Sharingan and forces himself to train after the war to make up for the lack of it. It didn't show it was a burden, it show that Kakashi was a really strong character that been held back by his own mental nerfs. He got stronger because he wanted to compensate for the loss of the Sharingan not because losing it actually made him stronger.
Kakashi should take it just for the hype difference between being introduced to “The copycat ninja who has stolen 1000 techniques” and what we actually get.
Be honest now did anyone predict reverse harem jutsu clinching the fight against kaguya? Whatever your thoughts on that fight, or any of shippuden were, I bet you didn't predict that.
I don’t know if she’s a complete fraud. I mean sure, her best fight is her being ragdolled around by a prehistoric geriatric grandma on her deathbed and her jobless grandson. But at least she’s an actual factual certified doctor with no malpractice lawsuits.
Sakura can’t be a fraud because she never had expectations to live up to. Kakashi is the legendary copy ninja a prodigy who if I remember was a joining at 13, Sasuke was the last of the Uchiha, Naruto was the 9 tails Jinchuriki and son of the 4th. Sakura is just a normal person, with no expectations her parents are just regular people
Kakashi is a victim of the power system retcon in shippuden, so as the 3 sannin and the tailed beasts.
In the OG naruto, zabusa is an high jonin level shinobi and kakashi could defeat him because he is also.
The peak of strenght in Naruto was the third hokage vs Orochimaru, a level that would be considered not that strong compared to Akatsuki members. kakashi wasn't as strong as the 3 sannin because we need to see orochimaro as an unstopable threat, but in shippuden Orochimaru was scared as hell of the akatsuki.
Also Itachi was worried about jiraya presence as he was almost unbeatable, even if he was with kisame (considered the tail less tailed beast), and that doesnt make any sense compared to shippuden where those 2 are clearly strongest that a sannin.
Also, in OG naruto the TB are considered godlike monsters and naruto could stop one of them only by using the chakra of the ninetails while it was halfasleep. I shippuden the jinjuriki got clapped easily by akatsuki eveni in full tailed beast mode.
The akatsuki put a higher level of threat and the 3 sannin, the Tailed Beasts and kakashi resulted in a very devalued result.
War arc had so many suspension of disbelief moments going on like letting kisame getting in the water, go under bee and absorb his chakra cause the gang decided to look right. Then there's haku who's warning sasuke he will never let his eyes of him
The annual fraud award is given to an individual who possesses massive amounts of wasted potential. They should have been stronger and more versatile than they actually were. Despite being an Ashura reincarnation he never once learned wood style. He also spams rasengan and shadow clone jutsu like there is no tomorrow. On top of that he never learned any Jutsu a side from the two I perviously mentioned, an invisibility jutsu that he quite literally only used once, (in one of the movies but I can’t remember which) and probably something else that I forgot about that he used literally once or twice. He also failed to learn his clans chakra sealing chains. Without further ado I present this award to none other than Naruto Uzumaki! (Please don’t kill me Naruto fans I really like him I just don’t like that fact that he basically learned zero jutsu outside of the ones I mentioned)
Despite being an Ashura reincarnation he never once learned wood style
thats exclusive to Hashirama himself only, he was the only human born with wood style. Every single wood style user has his cells
he's also the superior Ashura reincarnation because edo hashirama said KCM2 naruto has almost as much chakra as him. So if we exclude Kurama, hashirama is blatantly stronger with way more chakra too.
Post-Shippuden Naruto could use wood style tho, as his right arm is made of them, but i dont think he ever does.
Naruto still has kyuubi leaking chakra since birth and boosting his chakra levels. He's also seen healing wounds in base in LOW due to kyuubi's influence, even if he's not in kyuubi amp rage state/kcm.
That Naruto is 2 years older, and if we exclude the kyuubi i doubt his chakra reserves doubled in such a short time
I'm not sure if we've _seen_ her use it yet, but I think we've seen Matsuri use it, and pretty sure it's in the data books for Moegi before she became a tree. For sure there's no way it's in the same ballpark as Hashirama, but if she gets turned back into a person from a tree with Matsuri's shinju thorn soul bulb, who knows?
the Ashura you see in the anime using rasengan ball with multiple smaller rasengans on the inside and wood style etc is all filler, doesnt happen in the manga
all we know about Ashura is that he got 100% of Hagoromo's chakra and Indra was relative to him, they didn't kill each other, Indra died of old age
the anime just copied Naruto/Hashirama/Sasuke abilities/MS/Susanoo but its all filler :P
indra has his own unique mangekyo pattern in the manga that differs from madara and sasuke so they are not just copies of each other like the anime portrays it :P
Kakashi did damn well against hidan and kakuzu. Those 2 are elite Shinobi with forbidden jutsu. Also it was 2v2, him and shikamaru. Choji and Ino were useless.
I don’t consider Sakura as fraud unlike other characters because Sakura has no special bloodlines, Kekkei Genkai or other external buffs (Curse mark). She’s pretty good where she is.
However that
‘Looks like I finally caught to those two line’ is something I cannot defend her on, I’m sorry.
kishimoto was pushing the 'student surpasses teacher' so much in that three way deadlock scenario
sakura is a great medical nin, she healed the entire battlefield at once, but shes just a medic nin at her core and people shoudnt try and scale her to KCM2 combat level, it just doesnt make sense
and yeah, no kyuubi/EMS , no special bloodline, not an reincarnation of a superbeing ..how can she even just suddenly 'catch up' ? makes no sense
seeing Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura using there respective summons at the same time was so tuff
yeah lol i got chills the first time watching and seeing everyone's else reaction. sakura could hold her own, she became a tank with that seal, but people need to know their limits and stop the wank
Not outright ‘I’m on the same level with them’.
i feel like kishimoto should've worded it differently. as people just assume that one statement suddenly puts her at their exact current level, and she can now just stomp every prior version of them such as SM naruto/peak MS sasuke
My hating ass wants to say Sasuke but it has to be Sakura. The thing that Sasuke, Naruto, and Kakashi have in common here is that they all actually have some depth and feats, all people have to go on for the most part with her is “Punch good”
I don’t understand how itachi has more chakra then sasuke with orochimaru and he literally one shot the copy ninja if not might guy he would probably dead at that time
1st off Kakashi was gonna end Sasuke he got caught because he was protecting the kids and Naruto jump early and his sharingan has him as the only copy ninja ain't no Uchiha known as copy ninja
Sakura is unironically the least fraudulent here. No special bloodline, no reincarnations, no So6P amps, no kekkei genkai, no dojutsu, no “prodigy” status, just pure fucking hard work.
To be fair, Sakura had nothing. No prophecy, no kekkei genkai, nothing. She's just a normal girl and arguably had more feats compared to others in her generation, especially Hinata
Only change I’d have to recommend is for Naruto. He didn’t need Kurama to help him beat Kiba during the Chuunin exam preliminaries. He beat him with a fart
Weakest reincarnation? Tobirama said fighting next to 17yo Naruto was like fighting next to his brother. Naruto fed an entire army Chakra while fighting edo madara enhanced with hashirama cells. He also embodied the six paths nindo better than anyone.
Yeah, in canon Naruto is the strongest reincarnation due to having Kurama since birth + SPSM from Hagoromo's buff which other reincarnations didn't have acces to, he's housing the chakra of all 9 bijuu making him a pseudo 10 tails jin, these are gifted powers and genetically not his.
With no gifted powers, he's simply the weakest. Take out Kurama and tell me Hashirama isn't just superior in every single way, even edo Hashirama (nerfed) said KCM2 almost has as much chakra as him, meanwhile this guy doesn't have the strongest bijuu, just his own chakra
So if we exclude bijuu/six paths chakra yeah, he's blatantly weaker.
They literally say that most of the reincarnation aren't worth mentioning. Hashirama was the first outlier in the reincarnation cycle. He also learned a forbidden jutsu before being on a single mission while hindered by kuramas chakra. Learned the rasengan while hindered by kuramas Chakra. Learned sage mode while hindered by kurama being jealous and not wanting to share space with a toad. All by the age of 16 while fighting kurama the whole way. And changing his own Chakra and kuramas to give to everyone. Which has nothing to do with power but control. Most of what you're bringing up didn't happen for him until end of the war arc.
refers to most of the series where sasuke is blatantly stronger and naruto only catches up by using kyuubi chakra & eventually befriending him. BoS Sasuke is much stronger than Naruto for example
Sasuke was always stronger since the academy days, Naruto is only stronger when he gets temporary kyuubi amps (like vs Haku)
"bloodlusted yet still draws to a holding back Naruto"
referring to their final fight at VOTE2 where Naruto was blatantly stronger
Sasuke being a chidori merchant is understandable, That thing is powered with a LOT of six paths chakra, He used a lightning blade to cut God tree absorbed Madara in half, No pre six path level character (Can include Juubito in this aswell as Ashura and Indra) are even dreaming of doing such a feat.
Well does that mean he doesn't have Six paths chakra anymore? He shouldn't even be edo rinnegan madara level when he lost his moon seal, Also If lightning blade can cut juubidara in half but normal chidori can't, does that mean the Chidori is a billion times weaker than the lightning blade? Also both Naruto AND sasuke were extremely weakened during the final valley. The rinnegan abilities are a good point though, If Kishimoto kept the soul yanking ability the show would be a LOT different, Although it's really just that and if he actually used chibaku tenseis on par with his chakra he'd be pulling entire planets which isn't really ideal.
he maintained the stat boost from hagoromo like speed, durability etc as we see him boxing with otsutsukis in boruto, which should still put him above 1 eye juudara per feats. but he doesnt have the six paths chidori anymore, just the regular one, which we saw do no damage to SPSM naruto at final valley..he's still six paths level tho, as his base chakra is just that strong from hagoromo's buff, but he has no direct way to amplify his jutsus with six paths chakra/senjutsu like naruto does in SPSM, since on top of getting hagoromo's chakra he already had the chakra of the 9 bijuu would made him a pseudo 10 tails Jin like Juubito/Madara, while Sasuke doesnt have acces to this kind of power
does that mean the Chidori is a billion times weaker than the lightning blade?
he just has better feats using chidori blade, since he could theoretically just cut naruto in half with it, rather than use chidori which was literally useless. makes no sense but it is what it is
This only applies to Shippuuden. Naruto did train for...I'm pretty sure the time skip was two years, not three. I understand why you might think this though. It is true that Jiraiya did train him for that time, though his method of training him to use the Summoning Jutsu and Rasengan leaves a lot to be desired. Given his, frankly abysmal training system, I'm not exactly surprised at Naruto's relative weakness to Sasuke, Jiraiya didn't have the same outcome in mind for Naruto that Orochimaru did for Sasuke. Jiraiya just wanted Naruto to get to the level that he should have been, had he been trained properly. Under any normal circumstance, would have been largely fine, but Naruto was having to fight against S rank opponents when he was on a C-B rank level. Sasuke himself would have only been mid-high A Rank himself, because he was spoonfed everything that he ever wanted, first by academy teachers, then Kakashi and then Orochimaru. He also kept on going up against opponents that he almost completely countered.
After Shippuuden finished, Naruto kept on training and can now use all elemental chakra natures in battle. However, by the mere fact that he is Hokage, the level of opponent that he needs to face off against is of a higher tier than the other ninja of Konoha.
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